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« on: February 29, 2016, 12:14:12 PM »
So DH and I have a conditional sale on our house. As long as inspection goes through it'll be sold.

As we start planning to buy our next house cross-country I'm curious of others afforibility.

When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?

We're currenly in a very small house (about 1200 sq if you count the basement). DH is looking forward to moving up, I'm looking forward to being mortgage free.

Next house will likely be 2-3 x DH salary (mortgage), 4-5 x for house value) we hope to be mortgage free in max 12 years,could be so much sooner if we bought a more reasonable house.

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« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 12:15:37 PM »
Oh and if we go with the higher end house we'd be mortgage free by 45 and 48

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« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2016, 12:17:49 PM »
If all goes according to plan I will be mortgage free in 18 months. Can't wait!

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« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2016, 12:26:24 PM »
When were you or when will you be mortgage free?

Somewhere between 30 years from now (I just refinanced) and never, depending on interest rates vs. stock market returns.

Why would I want to be mortgage-free when I can have cheap leverage instead?

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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2016, 12:28:15 PM »
I'm not sure we'll stay in our next house long enough to be mortgage free. But if we do it will be around age 45-46 (in 15 years). We could pay it off much sooner, but at 3.125% interest I don't see a reason to.

We are buying a house worth 1.5 times our gross income. The initial mortgage balance will be about 1.2 times our gross income.

House will be ~1800 sq ft, which is slightly larger than our previous house. More than plenty for just the two of us (and cats).

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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2016, 12:53:33 PM »
DH and I should be mortgage-free in 7 more years (if everything goes as planned.). I'll be 35 and he'll be 36. Our house is 1500 square feet - much too large for just the 2 of us, but we do plan on having a baby in the future. It's valued at ~10k more than an our annual combined income.

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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2016, 01:00:08 PM »
20 years from now with 22 total years of paying.  Interest rate too cheap to greatly accelerate. house is 2 times combined annual salary.  I'll be part time working for 30 more years.  I could probably kill myself for 10-12 years and fully retire or get the best of both worlds. In a few years I'm planning to transition to 15-20 hours per week with 6-8 or so full weeks off per year. Low stress position. The cognitive and physical health benefits of part time work are well known.

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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2016, 01:01:29 PM »
So DH and I have a conditional sale on our house. As long as inspection goes through it'll be sold.

As we start planning to buy our next house cross-country I'm curious of others afforibility.

When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?

We're currenly in a very small house (about 1200 sq if you count the basement). DH is looking forward to moving up, I'm looking forward to being mortgage free.

Next house will likely be 2-3 x DH salary (mortgage), 4-5 x for house value) we hope to be mortgage free in max 12 years,could be so much sooner if we bought a more reasonable house.

To answer the question - mortgage free by 54 - could pay if off much early, but I prefer to invest now. Mortgage is down to £150k and house is conservatively worth £385k (a few houses down sold for £400k a few months ago). Interest rate is only 2.2%.

My mortgage was 4.5 times my salary when I bought it, now less than 1.5 times.

No idea on the square footage, it's not something we tend to quote in the UK as our houses are tiny by US standards. It's a 3 bed semi, much bigger than I need, but I love the space and don't regret it. My backup plan if I was every in financial strife was to get 2 lodgers in, and occasionally I AirBnB the spare room if I click with someone.

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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2016, 01:02:50 PM »
Firstly let me say that Americans are hilarious when it comes to property, with the exception of the inner city folk the majority don't seem to realise how lucky they are to have such big homes built as standard.
 
Our house is considered a good sized family home in the UK and we have 900 sq ft (it's a 3 bed semi).

It's worth 4 x our joint annual income (we owe roughly 3 x joint income) and if we left the mortgage to run we would have nearly 33 years left. 
The rate we are on is terrible* (4.99%) so we are over-paying at the moment with a view to remortgaging when the fixed term ends in 3 years and getting a much better deal.

When we remortgage I will be dropping the term to 20 years.

*it's a long story, we struggled to fit the criteria of the mainstream lenders at the time.
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« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2016, 02:25:17 PM »
We are planning to be mortgage free in three years (after paying cash for DH vehicle this year and some home improvements).  I estimate our house was almost 2x our salary when we bought it 10 years ago.  Now, remaining balance is less than 1x salary (due to 10 years of scheduled payments and salary increases.  will start extra payments later this year).

Our home is 2200 sq feet.  When we bought, we had four people, now three because one little bird has flown the nest.  Since discovering MMM, I feel like 2200 is more than the 3 of us need.  We go back and forth about downsizing, but we like our house and even more enjoy the property its on.  So for now, we plan on staying until the last little bird graduates HS (so, another 9 years).  But who knows...

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« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2016, 02:35:53 PM »
As long as I can get an interest rate under 5%, I have no desire to be mortgage free. A mortgage is like free money that I can put to better use.

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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2016, 02:39:22 PM »
No idea. 15 years if I refinance to a 15yr this year...21 years if I pay down to the point where I can drop PMI. 27 years if I don't do that.

When I bought my house, my mortgage was ~3.3x my salary.  It's now ~1.24x my salary (if I include the rental income as well) and the amount remaining is ~1.17x.
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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2016, 02:44:18 PM »
When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?

I was mortgage free at 34.

When I first purchased, I was married, and the value was 1.4x our combined salary.  When I refinanced after we divorced, the value was 2x my salary, but the mortgage was only 1.3x my salary.  It was always a very comfortable payment.

2200 square feet for 1 person.  It is much too big for just me, but I do really like the house and location, and I figure keeping it was cheaper than the transaction costs of buying/selling again, and much less of a hassle to stay put.  When I have a good reason to move, I'll definitely downsize.

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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2016, 03:06:55 PM »
I missed the questions about house size and price:

1500 ft2, 2 people, value and mortgage were 3x annual salary at purchase (with only the lower-earning spouse's income counted); value is 1.5-2x annual salary and mortgage is less than 1x annual salary now (six years later).

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« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2016, 03:28:25 PM »
Wife and I bought house in 2008 at age 31.  Price was 3.4x my salary at the time (mortgage was 2.7x) for 2100 square feet.  Planning to FIRE and relocate at age 42 and will be mortgage free based on downsizing at the time of FIRE (goal at that point is to have ~$300k of equity with which to buy the new property free and clear).

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« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2016, 03:32:27 PM »
Mortgage Free: 5-6 more years.  8 yrs from original purchase date.
Value when purchased: 1x gross income
Current Mortgage Balance: about 1/3 gross income
Square Ft: 2,100ft with 2 people.  Too large, but we'll probably have kids soon & it should be about right then.

My take: if you can pull it off, buy a home significantly below the conventionally touted 'affordable' range - then the mortgage vs invest debate isn't as significant. 

If a debt is several times annual income, the opportunity cost of paying it off vs investing is a very big deal.  The decision could be life changing from a financial perspective.  But if your mortgage is just a small fraction of your income and other assets, the decision doesn't move the needle as much.  The key is finding a high income and relatively inexpensive home that meets your needs - that's easier said than done.  Housing is one of the biggest drivers of spending... a bigger house leads to higher recurring expenses, maintenance, taxes, insurance, shit to fill the rooms with, paint, A/C units, on and on.  I really resonate with the tiny home movement.  Not that I live in one (not even close, ha).  But I totally get it & would definitely be open to looking into that.

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« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2016, 03:44:48 PM »
So DH and I have a conditional sale on our house. As long as inspection goes through it'll be sold.

As we start planning to buy our next house cross-country I'm curious of others afforibility.

When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?

We're currenly in a very small house (about 1200 sq if you count the basement). DH is looking forward to moving up, I'm looking forward to being mortgage free.

Next house will likely be 2-3 x DH salary (mortgage), 4-5 x for house value) we hope to be mortgage free in max 12 years,could be so much sooner if we bought a more reasonable house.

Keep in mind that 1200 sq ft used to be the average new US home size in the 1960s. It's still larger than a lot of homes in most places around the world.

To answer your question, we became mortgage free this year after 3 years of accelerated payments. Our house cost ~3x total income when purchased, but we were aiming for higher jobs shortly after, so in a few months, it was 2x total income in a few months. Under 1500 sq ft, 4 people, planning on adding 2 more in the next few years. We love the size and we love being mortgage free. I'd strongly recommend sticking to 2x annual income as your absolute highest cap; it makes the mortgage very manageable. I also recommend paying off as quickly as possible if you value being mortgage-free; lots here don't, but it worked wonderfully for our peace of mind.
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« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2016, 03:56:09 PM »
Never understood the excitement generated by being mortgage free. Do you become free of property taxes, house insurance, and selling costs too? Also, the last few years of a mortgage are primarily principal payments. So where does the exuberance come from?

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« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2016, 04:27:38 PM »
Never understood the excitement generated by being mortgage free. Do you become free of property taxes, house insurance, and selling costs too? Also, the last few years of a mortgage are primarily principal payments. So where does the exuberance come from?
Taxes: unfortunately, no.  but my taxes are about $600/yr.
Insurance: You'd have the option to drop it, yes.
Selling costs: irrelevant if you never sell

The exuberance really comes down to emotional intangibles that can't be measured (well, maybe an advanced psychologist could measure the brain activity... but I digress).  The thought of having shelter basically guaranteed for life, regardless of general market conditions or a host of uncontrollable factors, is a compelling one for many.  The benefits also include reducing the monthly outlay to a bare minimum, not being tied to a required payment schedule... things like that.

The cost is, of course, the foregone opportunity those dollars could have provided.  That number can be very high, depending on the assumed return and length of time.  But for some people, the peace of mind is worth the price.

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« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2016, 04:32:38 PM »
Our first house mortgage was 2 times our annual salary.  We could pay all the bills and have some fun, but we did have to mind those dollars.

Our 2nd house was about 1.5 times our annual salary.  That was much more comfortable budget-wise, though our salary was also much larger.

Our 3rd house was .75 times our annual salary.   That was WAY better.




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« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2016, 04:37:08 PM »
13 years and 9 months- started on a 15 year last year. Hoping to be done in 3.5 years from today.  F mortgages. F payments.

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« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2016, 04:57:20 PM »
So DH and I have a conditional sale on our house. As long as inspection goes through it'll be sold.

As we start planning to buy our next house cross-country I'm curious of others afforibility.

When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?

We're currenly in a very small house (about 1200 sq if you count the basement). DH is looking forward to moving up, I'm looking forward to being mortgage free.

Next house will likely be 2-3 x DH salary (mortgage), 4-5 x for house value) we hope to be mortgage free in max 12 years,could be so much sooner if we bought a more reasonable house.

Keep in mind that 1200 sq ft used to be the average new US home size in the 1960s. It's still larger than a lot of homes in most places around the world.

To answer your question, we became mortgage free this year after 3 years of accelerated payments. Our house cost ~3x total income when purchased, but we were aiming for higher jobs shortly after, so in a few months, it was 2x total income in a few months. Under 1500 sq ft, 4 people, planning on adding 2 more in the next few years. We love the size and we love being mortgage free. I'd strongly recommend sticking to 2x annual income as your absolute highest cap; it makes the mortgage very manageable. I also recommend paying off as quickly as possible if you value being mortgage-free; lots here don't, but it worked wonderfully for our peace of mind.

We are definitely the smallest house in the neighbourhood of post war bungalows. We're about 750 sq upstairs and 500 finished downstairs. the other houses have an extra bedroom upstairs. I'd be happy to keep living in maybe a 1000 sq bungalow with a developed basement but DH really wants to have his dream house so more like 1500-2000 sq not counting the basement. It'll be easier to plan everything out when DH has a job and we know his salary. If I work after the move we'd have a bit more disposable income to save or throw at the mortgage.

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« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2016, 07:41:58 PM »
Never understood the excitement generated by being mortgage free. Do you become free of property taxes, house insurance, and selling costs too? Also, the last few years of a mortgage are primarily principal payments. So where does the exuberance come from?

I kind of wish it were possible to pre-pay the present value of the property tax perpetuity in order to gain allodial title. I guess you could set up a trust, but it would have overhead and you'd still be subject to eminent domain...

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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2016, 08:05:18 PM »
Little over 14 years from now.  I will be 47, wife will be 46. (we are 32/31 currently).  The plan is to retire a year later at 48.

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« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2016, 08:59:53 PM »
Should be mortgage free in 13 years.  14 years left on refinanced mortgage at 3% rate.  When purchased was about equal to 1x annual gross income combined.  Current mortgage balance is about 80% of annual combined gross income.  Value is roughly 1.5 annual salary.  Mortgage wise this is a great spot for us and personally would not have a mortgage more than 2x salary.  Value wise, would not mind going 3x combined annual income, as that seems to be the threshold for the amount of land I would like to have in the future.

House is about 1700 sf.  We don't need anymore than this to be comfortable.  We could probably do just fine in about 1400 sf.    Would prefer more land, as opposed to sf, as most of our time is spent outdoors.

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« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2016, 09:27:42 PM »
Mortgage-free by the middle of this June.  This is roughly the 15-year anniversary of the original 15-year amortization, but I refinanced in 2011 to get a new garage built, and went with 5-year amortization and large payments so that the mortgage would finish at the same time.

When I bought the house in 2001 I was making about $32K and the house was $45K, so it was 1.4 x my annual salary.  Now I'm making $41K a year and the house has at least quadrupled in value (not taking into account the many upgrades I've done or had done:  Garage, electrical service, roof, insulation and stucco, kitchen, both bathrooms, and new furnace, hot water tank and central air).  1200 square feet, which houses 3 humans and 3 cats.
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« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2016, 09:41:18 PM »
When were you or when will you be mortgage free?

Somewhere between 30 years from now (I just refinanced) and never, depending on interest rates vs. stock market returns.

Why would I want to be mortgage-free when I can have cheap leverage instead?
This, except 29 years, and I bought this house last year.  I will very likely end up FI with a mortgage and have no problem with that.  I believe MMM still had a mortgage when he tired.  I also bought a house at the bottom of the market in 2012, and have kept it as a rental property after moving out of it.

House bought last year (at age 24) has a value of about 2x our household income.  First house (at age 20) had a value of 1.1x my own personal part-time-at-the-time income.

Current house is two people in ~1100 square feet.  First house was four people in 500 square feet.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2016, 06:13:41 AM »
When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
Hopefully by June! (total mortgage paid off in <4 years)

How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought?
We bought the house for (gasp!) $40,000 as a foreclosure needing a lot of work.  We put another $30-40k into it.  Purchase price about 1/2 year salary, remodeling another half year, so about 1x/salary.

How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?
1300 sqft. with a good-sized basement, 2-car garage, and shed.  2 adults, one baby.  Size is a little generous-we have a room or two that are barely used.  We could probably get away with 1000sqft. total with an additional kid if it was laid out right.

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2016, 06:19:30 AM »
We'll be mortgage free in roughly 29 years. Probably never as we will sell before then. We are a family of 4 who downsized (roughly a year ago) from a 1600 sqft house plus large finished basement, to a 1360 sqft house with a small finished basement. Mortgage is equal to a little less than one years combined income. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2016, 07:41:28 AM »
When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?

We're currenly in a very small house (about 1200 sq if you count the basement). DH is looking forward to moving up, I'm looking forward to being mortgage free.

Next house will likely be 2-3 x DH salary (mortgage), 4-5 x for house value) we hope to be mortgage free in max 12 years,could be so much sooner if we bought a more reasonable house.

I was 48 and my husband was 49 when we paid off our mortgage, two years ago. We paid off the mortgage after 14 years in the house, by regular extra payments to principal.

We had a $110,000 mortgage, on a combined salary of about $60k at the time we purchased. 14 years later our combined salary was about $140k.

Our house is 1400 sq ft plus 700 sq ft of unfinished basement. Tiniest screen porch ever. Small patio. 6/10 of an acre of yard, about 2/10 of an acre is fenced in. 2 people and 2-3 dogs live here all the time.

My advice, if your husband wants some more space, find a slightly larger house, but don't go crazy. More space is more space to clean, more space to heat and cool, and more space to fill with stuff you probably don't really need. I do think smaller is better.

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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2016, 07:44:44 AM »
If all goes well, we will be mortgage free in 10 months!  Our purchase prices was 3x our household income.  We have 2,800 sqft which for our family of 4, is a bit too much however, we absolutely love the neighborhood and our neighbors and we have a smaller floorplan for the neighborhood.  However, I think we'll downsize once the kids leave for college in 9-10 years.

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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2016, 07:48:30 AM »
Never understood the excitement generated by being mortgage free. Do you become free of property taxes, house insurance, and selling costs too? Also, the last few years of a mortgage are primarily principal payments. So where does the exuberance come from?

My own exuberance comes from owning a place to live that costs me $400 per month. That is what the taxes and insurance and utilities cost me. I realize these costs will go up as rates change, but it will never be as much as a mortgage payment.

I could not find a place for two humans and several dogs that cost $400 and offered me all that my house does.

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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2016, 07:54:44 AM »
When were you or when will you be mortgage free?
April: 14 years into a "25 year" mortgage, 20% down. (We didn't try very hard.)

How many times your salary is your house value/mortgage when you bought.
3x and now it still is--or maybe a tad more. Salary doubled though!

How many square feet is your place,how many people? How do you find the size?
1400 sq ft, extravagantly spacious for 2 people including work at home space.

Monthly cost post-mortgage will be about $600 CDN, or say $400 USD? Very manageable!



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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2016, 08:04:22 AM »
Never understood the excitement generated by being mortgage free. Do you become free of property taxes, house insurance, and selling costs too? Also, the last few years of a mortgage are primarily principal payments. So where does the exuberance come from?

Most of the populace can't fathom owning a 6 figure asset debt free.  So having it paid off in your 30/40/50's is a huge accomplishment to most.

In addition, if you try and pay off quickly it can be a financial goal.  Once it's paid off that discipline can be applied to saving in other areas.

Now, we can argue that paying off the mortgage is financially a bad decision due to low interest rates.  Personally, I'm 100% in stocks viewing my paid off house as a bond portfolio.  If we need the liquidity, there is a Heloc.

PS - 41 when paid off.  Could have been sooner, but investing as well.

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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2016, 08:04:55 AM »
Our mortgage is up for renewal in October, but we'll only have about 5 grand left on it, so are planning to just pay it off.

Our house was about 3.5X our salary when we bought it about five years ago.  Our down payment was just over a third of the price.

The house is 2200 sq ft for two adults, our son, and our dog.  I feel like our house is too large.  We have two living rooms . . . one of which rarely gets used.  We have 2.5 bathrooms, 1.5 of which rarely get used.  Moving to a 1700 - 1800 sq ft place would have zero detrimental effect on our lives.  Toronto's a competitive market though, and we didn't really have a plethora of great options when we were buying.

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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2016, 08:16:48 AM »
This kind of question tends to highlight some of the differences between mustachians (debt averse vs. maximizers of low interest rates).

We fall somewhere in the middle. We're on a 15 yr fixed note, but don't both paying any extra on it. We'll be mortgage free when our child graduates high school in 11 years (we will be 44 & 45 at that time). That's also our conservative target RE date, though the math says we may be able to retire earlier. 

When we bought, our house was 3.25x our gross income.  Two years later, our original purchase price was 2x our income (while I don't recommend assuming improving salaries, we were on one income when we purchased and knew we'd be moving to two).  We also gained a substantial amount of equity in a short period of time by timing an improving neighborhood close to downtown.

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2016, 08:43:40 AM »
Was mortgage-free briefly in early 2014, bought current house / sold the paid-off condo in the middle of the same year, will be mortgage-free again later this year.  Really should have gone with a short-term ARM in hindsight, but went with 15 fixed.  Happen to make good money in an area where decent housing can be had relatively cheaply.  Current house is around 0.7X income.  Prior condo, including a couple of minor renovations, cost around 0.8X of income at the time - was before getting married and a fairly steep increase in my income the last few years, so household income was much lower then, more like 0.4X of current income.

1400 square feet - plenty of space for the 2 of us and 3 cats.  Once paid off, insurance and tax will run less than $200 / month.

As to the "should we pay it off?" Math says no, but the house is a small enough part of our financial world, I'm not overly concerned.

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2016, 08:57:25 AM »
1400 square feet for 2 people. I often think we could use more room, but then I usually wind up thinking about what is motivating the desire for more space and it is usually resolved by cleaning house, organising things and reclaiming wasted space or resolving the need for space within the limits of what we have.
The mortgage started off at 4.75% 30 year, paying down aggressively for 2 years, refinancing to 3.25% 15 year, paying roughly double payments for the last 4 years. A couple of months ago, my insurance company dropped me as a result of me making 2 claims in under three years. I searched everywhere, but basically could not get reinsured... my mortgage lender threatened to place lender based insurance on my mortgage if I did not provide evidence of insurance before a specific deadline. The terms of the insurance were more expensive than the cost of borrowing back the money still outstanding on the principal, so I decided to just pay off the mortgage to release me from the insurance requirements of the mortgage.
If I ever need the cash, I can borrow it back at a rate that is less than the cost of the lender based policy.
So, it has been six years from purchase of the home, to paying it off completely.
The value of the house has gone up from $345,000 to $600,000. It feels a little strange to be sitting on such a large amount of equity, knowing I have no way to cash it in, unless I sell off the place I live or draw out equity and reestablish debt.


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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2016, 09:51:40 AM »
1400 square feet for 2 people. I often think we could use more room, but then I usually wind up thinking about what is motivating the desire for more space and it is usually resolved by cleaning house, organising things and reclaiming wasted space or resolving the need for space within the limits of what we have.
The mortgage started off at 4.75% 30 year, paying down aggressively for 2 years, refinancing to 3.25% 15 year, paying roughly double payments for the last 4 years. A couple of months ago, my insurance company dropped me as a result of me making 2 claims in under three years. I searched everywhere, but basically could not get reinsured... my mortgage lender threatened to place lender based insurance on my mortgage if I did not provide evidence of insurance before a specific deadline. The terms of the insurance were more expensive than the cost of borrowing back the money still outstanding on the principal, so I decided to just pay off the mortgage to release me from the insurance requirements of the mortgage.
If I ever need the cash, I can borrow it back at a rate that is less than the cost of the lender based policy.
So, it has been six years from purchase of the home, to paying it off completely.
The value of the house has gone up from $345,000 to $545,000. It feels a little strange to be sitting on such a large amount of equity, knowing I have no way to cash it in, unless I sell off the place I live.


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Owning a house with no insurance does seem risky, even for someone like me who generally hates insurance.  Houses and health are the two things I don't skip insurance on, because I can't easily replace them...

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2016, 12:04:50 PM »
Paid cash for our home over 4 years ago, I was 36.  It's hard to explain the freedom of having no mortgage.  I could certainly borrow against the home and take a few hundred grand and throw it in the market, but my home gives me diversification and security.  I could live on very little money because I have no debt.  We also got the home for less than 50% of the market value because we paid cash.  It was a short sell and several offers fell thru and the bank had just a few days to get rid of it so they had to take the only cash offer.  :)   I've been trying to get a similar deal since then, but no luck.  Sometimes being in the right place at the right time just pays off. This is also another reason to be mustachian.  With cash reserves during a recession, your buying power is phenomenal.  It's why I'm still throwing buckets of cash into the stock market and sitting back and waiting.  Buy real estate while the housing market sucks and buy stock when the stock market sucks. 

We could also take in a roomy and pay all of the bills and never have to work, so there is that. 




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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2016, 12:15:13 PM »
I put solar panels on our house and generate about 3-4 grand worth of electricity that we feed back into the grid each year.  :P

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2016, 01:00:14 PM »
Never understood the excitement generated by being mortgage free. Do you become free of property taxes, house insurance, and selling costs too? Also, the last few years of a mortgage are primarily principal payments. So where does the exuberance come from?

I feel that exact way about having children. Sometimes emotions win over prudent financial decisions.

We decided right away when getting married that I would pay extra on the mortgage and my goal was to pay it off in our 30s. I was 35 and DH 38 or so when we paid that one. However, in the meantime bought another (at 3X one salary; eventually 1.5X combined) and rented out the first. The renting did not go well, the move did not go well, the 2nd house was purchased during the housing crash but nowhere near the bottom of the crater. Finally sold house #2 after we had moved back to house #1 and rented out house #2 (landlording on that also went poorly). So, all said and done, no mortgage as of Jan 2014.

Back to first house, where we live and hope to until our knees give out and stairs are not an option. It's ~1400 ft^2, including basement, decent sized yard and most importantly NO HOA!!!!!!  I can't be certain what the original purchase:salary was since DH purchased it before we met. When I joined in, I paid what I had been paying in rent to the principal. At the time, the interest was somewhat north of 6% and we refi'd to a 15 yr at around 5% at one point. Still better guaranteed "returns" than you could get with a 10 yr Treasury at that point, so we figured it was financially prudent. Also, as some have pointed out, a form of concrete saving that was psychologically useful. Now the house is worth >2X what DH paid originally, and cost us less per month than I ever paid in rent, even 15 years ago with roommates.

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2016, 02:22:44 PM »
Just refinanced to a 20-yr loan, so I'm a ways off. I'm not in a great rush to pay it off since the rate is low (3.625%). When we bought the house, it was 2.8x our combined salary.

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2016, 02:35:36 PM »
WE bought our house for cash when we downsized at ages 53 & 58. The cost of the house plus extensive renovations were a years salary at the time.  We then retired. It is 1400 sq ft and plenty big enough for 2 people. Since we both like to do some p.t. consulting for fun we each have our own office. Mine is also the guest room. It is perfect for us.  When we were young our first home was 2x's our salary. But within about 8 years we were making more per year then what that home cost. I think it can be a big mistake to spend too much $ on a home.

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2016, 03:31:35 PM »
The value of the house has gone up from $345,000 to $545,000. It feels a little strange to be sitting on such a large amount of equity, knowing I have no way to cash it in, unless I sell off the place I live.

Not true: cash-out refi or HELOC.

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2016, 03:54:31 PM »
We just took out our 30 year mortgage, 3.75%, last year so we have a little over 29 years left. The house was 1.85x our salary when we bought it, now 1.75x assuming it's worth the exact same (likely worth more since we have done a lot of work on it).

We will probably eventually accelerate payments, but probably just to time it with retirement so we don't have a mortgage. Right now it's be paid off when we were 57, hoping to retire by 50, maybe sooner, so we will play it by ear. Currently the plan is to pay off our student loans, then work towards maxing retirement, then pay down mortgage after that. We will see if we ever make enough money for all of that!

Oh, and it's 1200 square feet plus an unfinished basement. Way more than we need for two people and pets, but we plan on having kids, so it's a home that could be out forever home if we stay in the area.
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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2016, 03:57:45 PM »
The value of the house has gone up from $345,000 to $545,000. It feels a little strange to be sitting on such a large amount of equity, knowing I have no way to cash it in, unless I sell off the place I live.

Not true: cash-out refi or HELOC.
Both would likely require insurance . . .

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2016, 04:14:11 PM »
The cost of the house plus I think it can be a big mistake to spend too much $ on a home.

Amen

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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2016, 04:56:01 PM »
We bought our place in 2003, when we were 40 and 43. It's 1500 square feet for the two of us, and was $234,000. It was probably less than half of what we could have afforded. I put down $90,000 the sale of my previous house, we paid extra on the mortgage every month, and had the place paid off by August 2006. We were making around $80,000 and $60,000 that year.

So we're going on 10 years mortgage-free. Can't say it's been much different, neither of us have expensive needs so our spending stayed about the same, while savings went way up of course. We did decide to buy a small vacation place, cash, partly to enjoy and partly as an investment since real estate prices were still down. Being able to do that was kinda cool. Some people asked, "So now you have TWO mortgages??", and we'd just say causally, "Naw, everything's paid for." Silence, people couldn't fathom that.


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Re: Mortgage free by...?
« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2016, 10:30:44 AM »
1400 square feet for 2 people. I often think we could use more room, but then I usually wind up thinking about what is motivating the desire for more space and it is usually resolved by cleaning house, organising things and reclaiming wasted space or resolving the need for space within the limits of what we have.
The mortgage started off at 4.75% 30 year, paying down aggressively for 2 years, refinancing to 3.25% 15 year, paying roughly double payments for the last 4 years. A couple of months ago, my insurance company dropped me as a result of me making 2 claims in under three years. I searched everywhere, but basically could not get reinsured... my mortgage lender threatened to place lender based insurance on my mortgage if I did not provide evidence of insurance before a specific deadline. The terms of the insurance were more expensive than the cost of borrowing back the money still outstanding on the principal, so I decided to just pay off the mortgage to release me from the insurance requirements of the mortgage.
If I ever need the cash, I can borrow it back at a rate that is less than the cost of the lender based policy.
So, it has been six years from purchase of the home, to paying it off completely.
The value of the house has gone up from $345,000 to $545,000. It feels a little strange to be sitting on such a large amount of equity, knowing I have no way to cash it in, unless I sell off the place I live.


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Owning a house with no insurance does seem risky, even for someone like me who generally hates insurance.  Houses and health are the two things I don't skip insurance on, because I can't easily replace them...
... I left out details, the home is a condo, the association keeps insurance for the exterior, my insurance (lack of insurance) is only for the walls in - interior policy, which was only for $50,000 maximum anyway.