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MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« on: March 05, 2015, 11:03:00 AM »
Anybody else see this?

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12420393/top-blue-jays-prospect-daniel-norris-lives-own-code

Although this lifestyle certainly isn't for everyone, one has to admire this guy's dedication to doing it his own way. Seems pretty consistent with most major tenets of Mustachian thinking, too :-)

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2015, 11:11:45 AM »
There have been a few other postings on here about him. He has no doubt seen and done more than the teammates who give him a hard time about it.

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2015, 11:28:45 AM »
Dude. I think I have a man-crush.

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2015, 11:49:46 AM »
Living the dream. My dream, at least. Roughing it while knowing you've got money.

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2015, 05:02:45 PM »
He is the world's most mustachian man. In addition to the $2 million signing bonus, he stands to make $507,500 this year, the minimum salary in Major League Baseball. He'll no doubt live on the $300-$400 per diem he gets, along with the free five-star hotels on the road. Players generally pocket most of their per diem since they spend from 2 p.m. to midnight at the ballpark, where they have all of the food they need in the clubhouse. (There are clubhouse fees and most players tip beyond that.)

I'm guessing he'll bank 90 percent of his after-tax $507,500. Heck, he could claim Florida residency since the Blue Jays are never in the playoffs and he could, in theory, live here Oct. 1 through March 30 -- six months needed for instate residency, no state income tax.

So -- anyone else banking 90 percent of $500K-plus?

Our youngest son goes to school adjacent to the Blue Jays spring training site and it's hilarious to see his van parked in the gated players' lot with all of the SUVs and expensive pickups.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2015, 12:26:43 AM »
Quite a story

"Research the things you love," he wrote one night. "Gain knowledge. It's valuable."

"Be kind. Be courteous. Love others and be happy. It's that simple."

I also enjoyed the wisdom to buy a t shirt the night he gets his bonus while the rest of the newly minted rookees go on spending sprees!

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2015, 10:42:21 AM »
Very nice! I hope his simple living catches on!

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2015, 11:28:43 AM »
The dude is brilliant.  And a little insane.  If it weren't for the fact that I doubt he has a working computer, I'd say he's probably on this forum.

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On the morning in 2011 when his $2 million signing bonus finally cleared, Norris was in Florida with the rest of the Blue Jays' new signees. All of their bonuses had been deposited on the same day, and one of the players suggested they drive to a Tampa mall. They shopped for three hours, and by the time the spree finally ended they could barely fit their haul back into the car. Most players had spent $10,000 or more on laptops, jewelry and headphones. Norris returned with only a henley T-shirt from Converse, bought on sale for $14. It's been a fixture of his wardrobe ever since.

It unsettled him in those first months to see so many zeros on his bank account balance -- "Who am I to deserve that?" he wondered. "What have I really done?" -- so he hired financial advisers and asked them to stash the money in conservative investments where Norris wouldn't have to think about it. His advisers deposit $800 a month into his checking account -- or about half as much as he would earn working full time for minimum wage. It's enough to live in a van, but just barely.

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2015, 11:29:48 AM »
Cool article.  I remember streaming a start or 2 of his last fall in fantasy baseball.  I'll follow him more closely now.

And just a note regarding state income tax, these guys pay taxes according to where they play.  So the money they earn for a 3 game series in California is taxed as income earned in CA.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2015, 11:44:11 AM »
And just a note regarding state income tax, these guys pay taxes according to where they play.  So the money they earn for a 3 game series in California is taxed as income earned in CA.
I don't know much about taxes (I just punch some stuff into Turbotax), that sounds like it would be a mess. They play 162 games and traverse across the country!

I also find it a little funny that they're taxed based on everywhere they play, but giant multi-national corporations can claim all their profits in Ireland or whichever tax haven they choose.

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2015, 11:48:51 AM »
I posted about him a few weeks ago. He is my hero and I think I'm his biggest fan.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2015, 02:11:19 PM »
Cool article.  I remember streaming a start or 2 of his last fall in fantasy baseball.  I'll follow him more closely now.

And just a note regarding state income tax, these guys pay taxes according to where they play.  So the money they earn for a 3 game series in California is taxed as income earned in CA.

True, but you're only talking 60-70 days a year since players compete in 81 road games (plus playoffs) and some of those are in no-state-income-tax states like Florida, Texas, and Washington. I actually covered this issue a bit in my former life as a sportswriter. What stinks for athletes is that their work schedules are public record -- unlike any number of wealthy New Yorkers who claim Florida residency even though they spend most of their time in New York. Of course, the players can't complain about it because they will get no sympathy for working in a sport with a $3.6 million average salary.

It's why the IRS nailed Derek Jeter at one point for claiming Florida residency. Unfortunately for Jeter, the Yankees made the playoffs most every year and he couldn't claim to be living in Florida in October -- only November through March (just five months). It didn't help that Jeter had only a relatively modest home in Florida and an expensive pad in NYC.

Jeter responded by building a 24,000 square foot home in Tampa. Kind of an F-you to the IRS.

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2015, 02:29:59 PM »
Interesting insights.  I guess I always thought their salary was pro-rated per game played and that was it.  I guess there has to be some sort of annualized salary for all the offseason "work" requirements.  FL or TX residency would make a lot of sense.

But then again, as a TX resident it seems big free agents never consider the state income tax implications like I would when choosing where to sign. :)

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2015, 10:26:17 PM »
Dude. I think I have a man-crush.

Ha my thoughts too.

Go Jays!

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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2015, 08:58:10 AM »
I read an article on him as well. His belief is that the money may not always be there and he wants to bank as much as possible. Smart man! His mustache is huge!

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2015, 09:16:57 AM »
One of the interesting things I've noticed is that the reactions to his lifestyle seem to be overwhelmingly positive. I have several people on Facebook who have posted links to this article, with quotes like "My new hero!". And not Mustachian people, either. I'm talking about lawyers in big houses with all the trappings that go with it, even the mother of one of my high school friends who now pitches for the Colorado Rockies (he is definitely NOT living in a van).

The reason I find the reactions interesting is because it seems that the positive response is driven by the fact that he is rich. Perhaps we forgive and even admire his eccentricities because there is no question that his choice is sincere. Nobody doubts that he would be just as happy without all the money. But take away the talent, take away the money, and all that's left is a normal guy who is still perfectly happy to live in a van in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Nobody is going to write an article about him. People will see him and just assume that he is lazy and miserable. He will be nobody's "hero". It won't matter how introspective he is, how much literature he reads, what he writes in his journal, or how contented he is in his own condition. If he isn't rich and talented, the default assumption for someone in this condition will always be laziness, or mental instability, or some other weakness or fault. I suppose I'm guilty of it myself. And I suppose that my own fears about how others perceive me is what has always kept me from finding contentment so far outside of societal expectations. Maybe the next time I see someone living a van, rich or poor, I'll be more inclined to notice their strength instead of their weakness.

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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2015, 07:35:02 AM »
Interesting insights MM.  I would instinctively think he was emotionally unstable if he was living in a van like that without all the surplus cash, and I would be wrong.  In reality, he and others like him could probably be perfectly content living in a van off a stash that almost anyone could save.  And people would just think he was poor and had emotional issues.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2015, 11:51:16 AM »
The reason I find the reactions interesting is because it seems that the positive response is driven by the fact that he is rich. Perhaps we forgive and even admire his eccentricities because there is no question that his choice is sincere. Nobody doubts that he would be just as happy without all the money. But take away the talent, take away the money, and all that's left is a normal guy who is still perfectly happy to live in a van in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Nobody is going to write an article about him. People will see him and just assume that he is lazy and miserable. He will be nobody's "hero". It won't matter how introspective he is, how much literature he reads, what he writes in his journal, or how contented he is in his own condition. If he isn't rich and talented, the default assumption for someone in this condition will always be laziness, or mental instability, or some other weakness or fault. I suppose I'm guilty of it myself. And I suppose that my own fears about how others perceive me is what has always kept me from finding contentment so far outside of societal expectations. Maybe the next time I see someone living a van, rich or poor, I'll be more inclined to notice their strength instead of their weakness.

I admire him because he reminds me of my dad, who admittedly is 55 years older. My dad through mustachian living and shrewd investing can live however the heck he pleases. But he spends much of his time driving up and down the East Coast between his NY and FL condos in modest rental cars (he doesn't own one), looking at real estate, checking on his own holdings, staying in Red Roofs and La Quintas and my VA vacation rental when it's unoccupied, wearing mostly my hand-me-down clothes, and using sturdy trash bags as his main form of luggage. He's generous to all, a heavy tipper, and has found happiness despite being widowed 25 years ago.


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Re: MLB pitcher lives in a van, follows own drumbeat
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2015, 11:56:55 AM »
I don't know your dad, LiveLean, but I like him, too :)

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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2015, 12:14:22 PM »
One of the interesting things I've noticed is that the reactions to his lifestyle seem to be overwhelmingly positive. I have several people on Facebook who have posted links to this article, with quotes like "My new hero!". And not Mustachian people, either. I'm talking about lawyers in big houses with all the trappings that go with it, even the mother of one of my high school friends who now pitches for the Colorado Rockies (he is definitely NOT living in a van).

The reason I find the reactions interesting is because it seems that the positive response is driven by the fact that he is rich. Perhaps we forgive and even admire his eccentricities because there is no question that his choice is sincere. Nobody doubts that he would be just as happy without all the money. But take away the talent, take away the money, and all that's left is a normal guy who is still perfectly happy to live in a van in the Wal-Mart parking lot. Nobody is going to write an article about him. People will see him and just assume that he is lazy and miserable. He will be nobody's "hero". It won't matter how introspective he is, how much literature he reads, what he writes in his journal, or how contented he is in his own condition. If he isn't rich and talented, the default assumption for someone in this condition will always be laziness, or mental instability, or some other weakness or fault. I suppose I'm guilty of it myself. And I suppose that my own fears about how others perceive me is what has always kept me from finding contentment so far outside of societal expectations. Maybe the next time I see someone living a van, rich or poor, I'll be more inclined to notice their strength instead of their weakness.
You have brought up the point which a lot of people, while mustachian at heart, probably struggle with.  Short of some other claim to fame, material trappings are how we quick-judge each other. Maybe some evolved souls don't form such snap judgements and also refuse to be defined by what others think of them- always exceptions to the rule and so forth.  The rest of us try, but it is hard to be out of the norm.  The world admires outward signs of success.  Once you get to know someone better, then it does not matter so much, but many times people will not want to get to know you because you are their definition of "weird".

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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2015, 12:17:04 PM »
Interesting insights MM.  I would certainly think he was emotionally unstable if he was living in a van like that without all the surplus cash.  In reality, he could probably be perfectly content on a $400k stash that almost anyone could save, and people would just think he was poor and had emotional issues.

Emotionally unstable because you choose to live in a van? I know a few people that live in vans and they are not emotionally unstable. They choose to live life on their terms. Why does the money make someone emotionally stable?

I'd like to live in a van for part of the year travelling to different climbing areas, spending a few weeks in each before moving on, following the weather. This is a fairly common practice in the climbing culture. Surely the same with many others, surfers come to mind. BUt I guess they are all just emotionally unstable.

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2015, 12:53:51 PM »
Interesting insights MM.  I would certainly think he was emotionally unstable if he was living in a van like that without all the surplus cash.  In reality, he could probably be perfectly content on a $400k stash that almost anyone could save, and people would just think he was poor and had emotional issues.

Emotionally unstable because you choose to live in a van? I know a few people that live in vans and they are not emotionally unstable. They choose to live life on their terms. Why does the money make someone emotionally stable?

I'd like to live in a van for part of the year travelling to different climbing areas, spending a few weeks in each before moving on, following the weather. This is a fairly common practice in the climbing culture. Surely the same with many others, surfers come to mind. BUt I guess they are all just emotionally unstable.
I just re-read my post and see how it comes across.  I was meaning to point out my own prejudice while acknowledging how incorrect it was.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2015, 06:21:47 PM »
With today's terrible injury to Marcus Stroman VanMan stands a good chance to crack the rotation. Exciting...

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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2015, 04:17:09 AM »
I showed my wife the article and now she has a "man-crush" (her words) too ;-) She also keeps a machete by the bed, sharp enough to shave with.

The video reminded me of when I camped out of my car for the last 7 months of college and the school newspeople did an article and video on me. Someone commented saying I must be a trust fund baby. It seems that if someone is living cheaply with confidence they must be rich ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3LNnwNy42s

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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2015, 01:26:36 PM »
a few videos of him on youtube..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJfZUo7BnwM

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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2015, 04:28:54 PM »
Dude. I think I have a man-crush.

Dude.  Me too.

 

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