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LibrarIan

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Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« on: March 15, 2023, 07:39:13 AM »
See announcement video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i5-sGiWr-M

They claim nothing will change, but I have a feeling it's only a matter of time before service changes start rolling out and pricing gets altered.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2023, 09:04:43 AM »
Dang it, this happened to me with sprint too!

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2023, 09:30:08 AM »
This recently happened with Total Wireless, they were bought out by Verizon. So far, it's been great! The last time I switched phones before the buy out, it took about an hour before it switched over. The website was pretty clunky, too. I had to switch to a burner phone since the buy out while mine was repaired, and it switched instantly! All existing plans were grandfathered in, so still paying $105.XX for 4 lines of unlimited with better website functionality, customer service portal, etc. Hopefully it's a similar experience for you with Mint!

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2023, 09:34:51 AM »
FWIW I have been happy with T-Mobile for many, many years - hopefully all will end well for the Mint customers.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2023, 09:59:59 AM »
Wondering if this will affect Red Pocket which uses the T-Mobile network. I doubt it but...

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2023, 10:13:47 AM »
I'm hoping this improves customer service for mint customers as my experience was horrible.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2023, 03:47:04 PM »
This recently happened with Total Wireless, they were bought out by Verizon. So far, it's been great! The last time I switched phones before the buy out, it took about an hour before it switched over. The website was pretty clunky, too. I had to switch to a burner phone since the buy out while mine was repaired, and it switched instantly! All existing plans were grandfathered in, so still paying $105.XX for 4 lines of unlimited with better website functionality, customer service portal, etc. Hopefully it's a similar experience for you with Mint!

We had Total Wireless up until they got bought out by Verizon.  The plan stayed the same for a few months, then we got a notice saying they would no longer honor those prices(at some point soon)...seems like the cheapest plan increased quite a bit.  We switched to Mint Mobile since it was even cheaper.  Recently prepaid for a full year of service so we should be immune to any price changes for a while.

Way to go Ryan Reynolds....damn....$1.35 Billion...wonder how much of that he got?

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2023, 06:19:54 PM »
Some thoughts on the buyout/merger from inside the industry:

T-Mobile’s move for Mint reignites debate over MVNOs
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[...]The bigger picture is whether regulators treat MVNOs as competition and protect them, he said. “My belief is the FCC and the DoJ need to do something fast to protect the MVNOs” because without some kind of protection, they’re just going to get swallowed up by the bigger carriers.

“It’s selective. When they need it to justify a merger, MVNOs are competitors. When they want to buy an MVNO, they’re all part of the family… they’re all one big network,” he told Fierce.

“Do you know who does treat MVNOs as competitors? The carrier who spends $1.3 billion buying them. The carrier sees them as a threat but the FCC and regulators who are supposed to protect them don’t. That’s the irony of the whole thing,” he said.
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“What I would say to regulators is: Make up your mind,” he said. “They’re either competitive or they’re not. If they are competitors, then protect them and make sure that it’s not as easy for MNOs to buy them. If they’re not competitors, then let them be bought but make sure you protect the new MVNOs coming through to make sure that you’re got a good pipeline of brands that are coming in to fight for consumers.”[...]

T-Mobile Agrees To Purchase Mint Mobile, Is It A Move To Stifle Competition?
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Yesterday, T-Mobile announced that it reached a deal, pending regulatory approval, to purchase Ka'ena Corporation including all of its subsidiaries and brands at a price of up to $1.35 billion. The purchase price is dependent on if a few incentives are met between now and the time the deal closes. Ka'ena brands include the MVNOs Mint Mobile and Ultra Mobile and the MVNE/Aggregator Plum. Plum operates as a wholesale partner of T-Mobile allowing startups to bring their own MVNOs to the market like the recently launched Nebula Wireless.
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If T-Mobile bought Ka'ena and its brands to stop another entity from doing it, it's a move to squelch the competition especially if the brands were to go to another carrier. For example, if DISH were to buy the brand, Mint, and Ultra customers would certainly be moved over to DISH's network in time. They may even be moved over to the AT&T network in the interim as DISH continues its own network build-out. DISH does have a relationship with AT&T. DISH could take advantage of Plum's partnerships with other MVNOs to move them off of the T-Mobile network.[...]

And just a reminder of what I told this community back when the Verizon/Tracfone merger was still just rumor...

[...]This isn't great, folks.

Remember, there is no regulatory requirement for network operators to provide any sort of third party access to their networks, let alone at any reasonable rate in this country. The MVNO industry literally exists solely based on a promise by the big three (at this point) to do so, and we all know how good AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon are at keeping their promises when record profits are on the line.
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MVNO customers are a fraction of the subscribers in this country, and we only still have this option because of promises made by three behemoth corporations who've left a trail of multi-billion dollar promises strewn dead on the side of the road. Now, the only true major player exerting any leverage against the three is about to be bought out by one of them, which means that wholesale leverage disappears almost entirely for the one making the purchase, Verizon.

We need meaningful telecom reform and regulation in this country for the sake of the user, but I'm not holding my breath.[...]

Just as relevant now as it was then.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2023, 06:25:42 PM by Daley »

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2023, 08:33:38 PM »

Way to go Ryan Reynolds....damn....$1.35 Billion...wonder how much of that he got?
Network TV news said he owned about 1/3rd  of it.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2023, 05:56:18 AM »
Welp, we used someone'e code here and switched to Mint a couple months ago, so we'll be watching. Hopefully, they honor the pricing we set up with Mint. @Daley It would probably be smart to look into alternatives now, but I'm going to wait a bit to see how this plays out.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2023, 08:44:53 AM »
@Daley It would probably be smart to look into alternatives now, but I'm going to wait a bit to see how this plays out.

Beware people bearing referral codes in the future.

And I'll save you the effort, and tell you the same thing I've told everyone here for nearly half a decade at this point. Just use RedPocket. Plans on all three networks, industry competitive monthly/annual/family plans for just about every budget. This said, it concerns me that they're corralling all their new annual plan customers onto AT&T, while still providing monthly plans with T-Mo and Verizon SIM options... and it's been a move that's happened within the past couple months.

That said...

That really only leaves RedPocket, Locus/H2O and Consumer Cellular as three of the last "major" MVNOs in this country if you don't count DISH's clown network and mostly still just an MVNO status, and all of these are either predominantly AT&T customer based, original AT&T MVNOs, or rapidly shifting to AT&T. Most of the remaining smaller MVNOs unimpacted by this buyout are now also, coincidentally AT&T based. And none of these brands were even near the size that Tracfone was. Verizon's already taken their move, taking out the 800lb MVNO gorilla, Tracfone Wireless, and all its sub-brands. Two years later, T-Mobile, in the process of buying Mint/Ultra, just took out one of the major T-Mo MVNE aggregators with Plum... which means a lot of the smaller T-Mo MVNOs are also under T-Mo's direct thumb now.

That just leaves AT&T's move at this point to finish killing off the MVNO market in this country. I most certainly could be wrong, but I suspect that DISH is never going to get off the ground as a mobile network, and instead of the FCC forcing DISH to divest their never planned to actually be used spectrum holdings to an actual competent regional cellular network like USCellular to try and preserve a "four carrier" network, I suspect we're gonna see everyone hold out until the next Republican presidency and AT&T will swoop in and "save" DISH's failing mobile network by taking it off their hands along with leasing DISH's spectrum, and also buy all the various MVNO brands DISH has scooped up along with it. And somehow, all this will be blamed on Biden, because the network build-out happened under his administration, despite the fact that the T-Mo/Sprint merger and idiotic Boost to DISH divestiture with a pinky swear that a satellite company would build a fourth cellular network happened under Trump and his administration.

Remember, MVNO wholesale access isn't a legally mandated guarantee in this country, like they are over in Europe and other countries. Wholesale MVNO access was a gentleman's agreement between the Big Four cellular networks over two decades ago (and by gentleman's agreement, I mean "We pwomise to do dis, mistuh gubmint, please don't wegulate us any more!"), and now there are only three. It was only the competition and pricing of these MVNOs that even drove down cellular network pricing with the MNOs in the first place.

I'm not saying we're going to completely lose sub-$20/month calling plans or anything, because Lifeline legally still has to be a thing - though it's only for people below the poverty line and mostly cold comfort given it's one line per address in an era where multiple impoverished adults are having to live under the same roof to afford rent and everyone from employers to healthcare providers demand a cellphone number out of you... but we are most likely going to lose what remaining decent customer support was left, and we already know what the acceptable lowest price point is with all three major carriers with their longer-standing boutique pseudo-MVNO brands like Metro, Cricket, and Visible.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2023, 08:48:31 AM by Daley »

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2023, 08:46:47 AM »
Mint Mobile just gave me a free jack in the box milkshake to smooth things over I guess (you need to order via the app though). They say it's for St. Patrick's day.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2023, 08:52:12 AM »
Mint Mobile just gave me a free jack in the box milkshake to smooth things over I guess (you need to order via the app though). They say it's for St. Patrick's day.

My MVNO just helped one of the world's largest telecoms stifle mobile network competition in this country, and all I got was this lousy milkshake.

Awesome.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2023, 09:50:59 AM »
I hadn't heard of RedPocket until now (sorry @Daley, sounds like you've done your best to get the word out!).

I had been wondering if I should renew mint for another year now (contract is up in May), but.... maybe I'll wait until it ends and switch...

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2023, 10:05:25 AM »
I have Tmobile connect. It was a concession to the fed when they merged. $15 unlimited talk/text + 3GB. I bet they will roll this together with Mint.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2023, 10:37:30 AM »
I have Tmobile connect. It was a concession to the fed when they merged. $15 unlimited talk/text + 3GB. I bet they will roll this together with Mint.

Concessions don't last forever, buddy. The plan pricing concession was for only three years, which... *checks calendar and scoffs* looky there, that's in two weeks.

And just a reminder of how serious those concessions are, I remember the affordable DSL and network neutrality concessions that AT&T had to pinky swear to in order to bring Cingular and the Baby Bells back together in 2006. We all know how long those lasted.

Just remember, T-Mobile bought out the #4 network in the country, one of the cheapest cellular providers, and one of the largest cellular wholesalers (estimated over half of Sprint's subscriber lines were wholesale/MVNO customers) in 2020, and their concession was to only provide Sprint-level pricing for three years, and the Sprint network is now thoroughly gutted and gone. Now they've bought out one of their own network's largest MVNO providers along with that company's own MVNE aggregator supplying smaller T-Mo MVNOs with buying power and leverage as well... mere weeks before the end of those concessions.

...but, what do I know.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2023, 10:40:16 AM by Daley »

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2023, 10:52:31 AM »
I hadn't heard of RedPocket until now (sorry @Daley, sounds like you've done your best to get the word out!).

I had been wondering if I should renew mint for another year now (contract is up in May), but.... maybe I'll wait until it ends and switch...

I hadn't heard of them either. Thank you so much @Daley and I agree on all your points. Hopefully, the US will continue to have a relatively people friendly administration for the foreseeable future (or better yet, an extremely people friendly administration).

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2023, 11:08:21 AM »
I have Tmobile connect. It was a concession to the fed when they merged. $15 unlimited talk/text + 3GB. I bet they will roll this together with Mint.

Hopefully T Mobile will honor our current Mint Mobile Plans. I just looked and I have 3 more months left of Mint. If Red Pocket is still an option I'll make the change in June.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2023, 01:03:42 PM »
I was with Red Pocket for several years, mostly using Verizon towers.  Last fall, I got a new phone (eSIM only), so I had to switch to Red Pocket's ATT service.  I started running through data at a crazy rate. Nothing anyone did would fix it.  I turned off cellular access to almost everything on my phone but it would still use 10s to 100s of MB cellular data (system services) daily while in the house on wifi.  I have no idea if it was due to switching to an iPhone 14, the eSIM, or just our local ATT tower. I switched to Visible (Verizon's MVNO) and my usage went back to my usual practically nothing.

I'd just recommend trying a monthly plan with Red Pocket before committing to a yearly plan, although to their credit, Red Pocket did refund me 11/12ths of my yearly plan, which is more than I expected! 

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2023, 01:18:54 PM »
I had Red Pocket in the past but have been with Tello (T-Mobile service) and have had better luck. They are great plans if you are OK with T-Mobile network (which has gotten better in the past several years) and low data usage. I am on the unlimited talk & text with 500MB of data plan for $9/month. With tax mine comes to $9.10 or so. 1GB plan is $10, 2GB $14, 5GB $19, up to $29 unlimited data. The nice thing is if you run out of data at least still get 2G data until the month resets or you buy more.

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Re: Mint Mobile acquired by T-Mobile
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2023, 08:54:25 PM »
I hadn't heard of RedPocket until now (sorry @Daley, sounds like you've done your best to get the word out!).

I had been wondering if I should renew mint for another year now (contract is up in May), but.... maybe I'll wait until it ends and switch...

If your contract is up, wouldn't it make sense to get a new year long contract and lock in rates?