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Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« on: January 14, 2019, 11:32:38 AM »
I have finished 8 years of active duty military service in the navy and decided to get out primarily to be there with wife and child(1 year old). I need some financial advice as to what to do with my money as I have 110k cash but its sitting in a CD earning 3% dividends per year in my bank which I was going to use to pay for a down payment for a home in either Texas or Arizona(still need to visit) in the next 2-3 years. I currently reside in Hawaii and my wife works a government position which she should be making 50k a year in the next few months after her raise. She has a 401k account called a TSP which does matching to 5% of your base salary and has low management fees but am not sure how much I should allocate towards it because it seems to me the market is valued high at this time so I only have about $300 a month going towards that to take advantage of the matching which I just started now. I will be making about $3k a month going to school using the veteran benefit that pays for housing which Hawaii is notorious for expensive housing. My monthly expenses are low and am saving a good chunk of money each month but just unsure what the best route is to invest the money. Maybe renting is a better avenue rather then purchasing as rental market is cheap in both Texas and Arizona and you have more flexibility. So the question is if to rent then what should I do with my $110k...should I put it in the VTSAX or VGSLX. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 05:44:42 PM »
Hello,

I have finished 8 years of active duty military service in the navy and decided to get out primarily to be there with wife and child(1 year old). I need some financial advice as to what to do with my money as I have 110k cash but its sitting in a CD earning 3% dividends per year in my bank which I was going to use to pay for a down payment for a home in either Texas or Arizona(still need to visit) in the next 2-5 years. Maybe the money can be used somewhere else to earn more money but don't want major fluctuations as this is the money for the home. I currently reside in Hawaii and my wife works a government position which she should be making 50k a year in the next few months after her raise. She has a 401k account called a TSP which does matching to 5% of your base salary and has low management fees but am not sure how much I should allocate towards it because it seems to me the market is valued high at this time so I only have about $300 a month going towards that to take advantage of the matching which I just started now. I will be making about 3k a month going to school using the veteran benefit that pays for housing which Hawaii is notorious for expensive housing. My monthly expenses are low and am saving a good chunk of money each month but just unsure what the best route is to invest the money. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

I’m not quite sure what you’re asking. Are you looking to FIRE within 5 years? Or are you looking for advice for the next 5 years so you can FIRE some day?

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Re: Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 09:18:48 PM »
I am looking to FIRE within 5 years at the most.
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Re: Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 12:09:29 AM »
I think managing a rental from a long distance away is probably hard. If you are not going to buy a primary residence, I'd invest IT in index funds. I would always advise maxing out any pre-tax accounts. Most people around here don't believe in market timing and I'm one of them.

What are you going to school for? I'm all for education, it will be beneficial to you, but if you are interested in FIRE asap, it makes more sense to get the best paid job you can find and work hard there.

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2019, 03:59:03 AM »
I recommend sending Doug Nordman a PM (he may or may not read the thread, but usually does if it lists military in the title).  He literally wrote the book on Military Financial Independence and Retirement   He's also a resident of Hawaii. 

https://amazon.com/Military-Guide-Financial-Independence-Retirement-ebook/dp/B005AU15EU/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1547549889&sr=1-3&keywords=the+military+guide+to+financial+independence+and+retirement

My insight is that TSP remains the cheapest (fee-wise) investment vehicle on the planet.  That being said, if you want to retire and be able to tap that money soon, post-tax investment accounts may make more sense.

Have you considered affiliating with the reserves?  You are 12 years away from a pension (at 60) and could take advantage of TSP yourself. 

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 04:51:17 AM »
Mak, I'd look at doing a case study and adding in more details.  I might be mistaken but from your post you have $110,000 in cash you wife had a tiny amount in TSP and you are looking to fire 5 years, after working for maybe 2-3 years after you finish up school.  There is no way you can do this.  What are your other assets.

Also you mention moving to Texas or Arizona but you've need to visit Arizona.  Have you ever lived in either of those places or are you looking to move there because they are "cheap."  I ask because if it is because they are cheap, I'd tell you do not buy as you have no clue if you actually want to live in either.

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Re: Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 05:55:33 AM »
I am looking to FIRE within 5 years at the most.

So you're making ~$88.5k/year (including the 5% match), have $110k, and want to retire in 5 years.  In order to do that, you'll need to save approximately $67k/year and put it into a portfolio earning ~6% after taxes each year.  With that math, I don't see how you could afford to rent or buy a home in Hawaii and still afford to eat.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 07:28:00 AM »
Military myself and looking to separate in about six years.  However I have to concur with the masses here, you can't reasonably hit FI in five years unless you essentially double your household income and it all goes into index funds.
-Cost of the house will probably be the entire CD and any interest it will gain.
-The 3k your 9/11 GI bill may pay will only be there for 36 months.
-TSP is for old you and spouse, its a backup plan not a primary source of income pre-59 1/2.
-You have no other assets listed to get passive income from...

FIRE is an awesome goal and great that you've decided to work towards it, but you're at the half mile marker on a marathon.  Continue to read up on the subject  and don't get discouraged, books such as "Your money or your life by Nicki Robin" are painful to read but very helpful.

Also as you're Navy, I know you have civilian Accredited Financial Counselors on base to help you with the finer details of your plan.

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Re: Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 11:50:59 AM »
Thanks for the replies! Sorry I forgot to mention I have 2 rental properties paid for in Texas earning me about $2k a month(managed by father) and will be trying to get a job that pays at least $80k here in Hawaii as an IT position which is what I was doing in the military to help me save as much money as possible while going to school full time in the evenings and earning $3k there(studying management information systems). I have lived in Houston, Texas for 18 years but don't really like it as much now because of high property tax, lack of outdoors and pollution. The only reason I may consider going to Texas is because my parents and brothers live there. I plan on visiting Arizona this year particularly Tucson to see how I like it and property tax is much cheaper there and still close to Texas with lots of outdoors.  I will give Doug Nordman a PM as well, thanks! I will probably max out TSP for my wife once I get a job. As far as primary residence I may not be purchasing 3-5 years from now depending on how I like Arizona and if I moved to Texas I would just rent so should I utilize a portion of the $110k in vanguard total stock index fund or VGSLX?

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 08:17:16 AM »
Thanks, @davisgang90!

Thanks for the replies! Sorry I forgot to mention I have 2 rental properties paid for in Texas earning me about $2k a month(managed by father) and will be trying to get a job that pays at least $80k here in Hawaii as an IT position which is what I was doing in the military to help me save as much money as possible while going to school full time in the evenings and earning $3k there(studying management information systems). I have lived in Houston, Texas for 18 years but don't really like it as much now because of high property tax, lack of outdoors and pollution. The only reason I may consider going to Texas is because my parents and brothers live there. I plan on visiting Arizona this year particularly Tucson to see how I like it and property tax is much cheaper there and still close to Texas with lots of outdoors.  I will give Doug Nordman a PM as well, thanks! I will probably max out TSP for my wife once I get a job. As far as primary residence I may not be purchasing 3-5 years from now depending on how I like Arizona and if I moved to Texas I would just rent so should I utilize a portion of the $110k in vanguard total stock index fund or VGSLX?
Welcome to the forums, @mak123.  There seem to be two threads on this topic, so let me offer a longer reply here and let the moderators figure out the rest.

It looks like you’re doing fine with your home down-payment fund.  Money that you expect to use on a house in the next few years should be in a CD-- you don’t want to risk stock-market volatility or even take much risk in a bond fund.  It’s frustrating to earn “just” 3% APY but chasing a higher yield in a short term (less than five years)is not worth the risk of loss of principal.  You could keep an eye on the CD rates at NFCU and PenFed but 3% right now seems pretty compelling.
https://thefinancebuff.com/cd-vs-bond-fund-five-years-later.html

When you buy your home, your biggest returns on your savings will come from having a large down payment and a high likelihood of financing.  Those are both good ways to negotiate a lower sale price.  In addition when that $110K is at least a 20% down payment then you can avoid private mortgage insurance and perhaps have a small fund left over for maintenance & repairs. 

When you search for that home, don’t try to buy it like you’re blowing into town for a new duty station.  It’s more hassle to rent for a few months at your new location, but research shows that nearly half of veterans only stay at that first location for two years.  You’d hate to buy a home and then start the bridge career, only to find out 18 months later that you’re moving again.
http://the-military-guide.com/dont-buy-home-leave-active-duty/

The best way to put that money to work when you find the home you want is to use a mortgage broker.  A VA loan might seem like the easy answer but you may find a better loan through a broker, and the VA loan has stringent habitability & sanitation requirements (on the home inspection) which discourage some sellers.  A mortgage broker can find different loans (from the same lenders) which might have better terms than the VA requirements.

The markets go up about 2/3 of the time.  They were higher a couple months ago, and they’ll be higher 10 years from now, but nobody knows where they’ll go in between.  The best way to deal with the emotions of stock-market volatility is to have an asset allocation plan.  You’re already saving for a home (with a pretty good down payment), you’ll have several years of cash flow from the GI Bill, and you have a pretty good savings rate.  Pick an asset allocation which lets you sleep well at night, put it in autopilot, and sleep better at night.  The savings & investments that you’re making now (for >10 years in the future) are your foundation of financial independence.

If you’re not happy with the TSP’s L2050 fund or even 60%/20%20% in the C,S, & I funds then you could maximize your Roth IRA contributions in a stock-market index fund with low expense ratios from Vanguard or Fidelity.  (Roth IRA contributions can be withdrawn any time for any reason with no taxes or penalties... they’re a good option for an emergency fund.)  The important part of the FI plan is picking the asset allocation which lets you sleep at night and then setting up the deductions to get the money in there.  You can read more about the Bogleheads investment policy statement and picking an asset allocation at their wiki:
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Getting_started
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Asset_allocation

If you're going to buy a home in 5-10 years then maybe you could invest some of your down-payment fund in a short-duration bond fund or put a portion of it in a dividend stock fund, but you have a high savings rate and there's zero reason to push the envelope on risk.  Keep your $110K liquid & safe and put your other (future) cash flow into total stock market index funds.

You seem to be doing just fine with real estate but if you have more questions about investment properties, David Pere (a Kaneohe Marine who blogs/records at FromMilitaryToMillionaire.com) has an informal group meetup every month at Kailua Beach Park.  We usually have about 20 people discussing investment properties across the Mainland, and many of them are military.  However the real benefit for you would be networking that group for local college advice and to find out who knows people in the Oahu IT industry.  You'll have some job-search help from your university as well as from the local IT groups, and David's group is one more way to work the problem.  With free pizza.

If you have a TS/SCI clearance then you have some great IT options with Oahu's military commands as a contractor or federal civil service.  You have the potential with the essential qualifications, and your employer would train you up on the rest. 

My spouse and I have been on Oahu for nearly 30 years, and our daughter was born & raised here.  (She also spent four years behind the hedges in Houston.)  I’m up in Mililani.  Let me know if you have more questions or want to get together for a cup of coffee to dig into the financial or IT career options.  I know plenty of IT Mustachians on the Mainland so hopefully they'll know IT people to talk to here to figure out the employers.



Speaking of the book:
He literally wrote the book on Military Financial Independence and Retirement   He's also a resident of Hawaii. 

https://amazon.com/Military-Guide-Financial-Independence-Retirement-ebook/dp/B005AU15EU/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1547549889&sr=1-3&keywords=the+military+guide+to+financial+independence+and+retirement
For all those of you who are also in Hawaii, there's still two copies of the book in the Hawaii State Public Library System.  There are also copies at the base libraries on Pearl Harbor/Hickam and up at Kaneohe.  Of course if you want an eBook version you'll have to borrow the (one) HSPLS copy or buy it from Amazon.
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Re: Military veteran looking to FIRE next 5 years advice
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 11:23:47 AM »
Nords definitely appreciate the advice! Yes, great advice in renting in a new location for a while rather than jumping the gun and buying.  So my wife is a federal worker and I have 10% going to her TSP for now from her paycheck every month and she makes currently like 40k a year but in a few months should be going up to 50k a year and don't really need her pay check per say for monthly expenses. Should I increase the allocations further to maximize on the TSP and if so should I max it out to the max limit?
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2019, 11:52:52 PM »
Nords definitely appreciate the advice! Yes, great advice in renting in a new location for a while rather than jumping the gun and buying.  So my wife is a federal worker and I have 10% going to her TSP for now from her paycheck every month and she makes currently like 40k a year but in a few months should be going up to 50k a year and don't really need her pay check per say for monthly expenses. Should I increase the allocations further to maximize on the TSP and if so should I max it out to the max limit?
Well, you absolutely should contribute enough to the TSP to maximize her match, and you're probably doing that already.

I suggest to people that they maximize their TSP contributions, and then their Roth IRA contributions, and then contribute even more to taxable accounts.  That happens when they hit a high savings rate, and putting it in the TSP encourages them to save it for a long-term goal instead of letting it slip through their fingers or cashing out of a taxable account.