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Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« on: December 11, 2015, 08:20:47 AM »
I see dozen of Obamacare Subsidies posts on here talking about how expensive it is, how crazy high the deductibles are and how Republicans will kill it as soon as they get into office.

Does anyone plan on Medicaid for early retirement (before 65). After the expansion, 71 million people are on it and they estimate 75 million by 2017. Good luck taking that away Mr Trump.

So it's safe to say that Medicaid is here to stay. Currently we have 26 states with expended Medicaid and 4-7 more in January. Some states have their own version of Medicaid that Obama approved and one that really stands out is Indiana. Unlike manu states where Medicaid is free, IN charges you $1-30 per person per month based on income and has co-pays. $4 per service, $25 per ER visit, some copays for drugs, dental, vision. The costs are still tiny compare to Gold, Silver, Bronze plans but the care is excellent.

In most states where Medicaid is free and all services are free, you wait forever to see a MD and MDs you see are the youngest docs working in crappiest clinics, many from other countries with broken English.

Now in Indiana, it's different. Because they make you pay for part of the costs, they raised the fees MDs receive. They actually get more money per Medicaid patient than for Medicare patient. So now they have all doctors in the state joining Medicaid. Even the best once.

This long video explains this new system if you care to watch, go to 1.05hr mark wher he talks about fees and MDs jumping in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d0TWuUpwo4

This is why we decided to be Indiana residents in 2017. Since we will be retired next year, we can pick any state. As long as we keep our income below $22,236 we qualify for Medicaid which includes dental, vision, drugs and now almost every doctor in the state. It seams too good to be true but after 1 year, the state is happy and the Medicaid patients are really happy. Now people that are on Medicare (65 or older) or on disability are upset because they get less MDs and wait longer for service, plus pay more if they have no supplemental coverage. Now other states are looking at Indiana and want to implement same system. Lets face it, the totally free healthcare does not work. The system gets overloaded because if there is no cost for patients, they go in every week for any sniffle.

And as a MM, we will have no problem living on 22K actual income and supplement the rest from savings.

I'm sure I will get some hate on here for being free loader and using the system.

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2015, 08:37:30 AM »
I'm sure I will get some hate on here for being free loader and using the system.

These kinds of arguments are really frustrating. We can, and should, debate what the rules should be, but if someone qualifies, then they should take the benefit. I assume you worked before retiring and paid taxes on the money you made. Your taxes went into Medicaid/Medicare and a million other programs. Compared to our Lockheed subsidies, Medicaid is a drop in the ocean.

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 08:42:09 AM »
 Isn't there means testing in the form of assets as well as income?

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 08:58:11 AM »
There is no asset test after 2013. You can have 1 million in the bank, drive Porsche and still qualify. It's all income based now which is great for MM who can live on very little.

They got rid of the asset test because before you could not own anything over $1500 so if you owned a home, no healthcare for you. Obama made those changes in Medicaid Expansion.

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2015, 09:48:09 AM »
There is no asset test after 2013. You can have 1 million in the bank, drive Porsche and still qualify. It's all income based now which is great for MM who can live on very little.

They got rid of the asset test because before you could not own anything over $1500 so if you owned a home, no healthcare for you. Obama made those changes in Medicaid Expansion.

So what is the income limit?  Does it vary by state or is it one flat rate for entire country? 
Thanks for posting....health care in retirement has been one of my top concerns. 

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2015, 10:29:58 AM »
Medicaid is state by state. The Federal government set up some basic rules, but the states have a lot of leeway. There's a lot of variation as a result.

Those of us in the business have a saying. "If you've seen one Medicare program, you've seen them all. If you've see one Medicaid program, you've seen one Medicaid program."

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 11:16:48 AM »
Indiana's new "personal responsibility" 1115 waiver program is pretty interesting. It started in January of 2015, and built upon the success of another waiver from 2014. This built upon waiver programs from other red states looking to implement personal responsibility programs, notably Arkansas, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Utah and Tennessee. AR and IA really blazed the path for these programs.

I personally worked on the Iowa program. The biggest challenge was implementing policy directives consistent with state policy makers' personal responsibility goals that also reconciled with federal CMS guidelines. The feds really do not like the idea of cutting off people who make very little to no money at all. Indiana found a way to keep those fees low ($1 a month for the poorest) but still require some personal responsibility. They also charge for members who made non-emergency visits to the ER ($8 and $25, which is a tiny portion of the cost, but still.) This is one of the biggest expenses to state Medicaid programs, other states like NY are using provider incentives to modify behavior. It's early, but member incentives seem to be much more cost effective. Combining them should provide the best results.

Here's a good writeup on Indiana's waiver program by the Kaiser Family Foundation: http://kff.org/medicaid/fact-sheet/medicaid-expansion-in-indiana/

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2015, 11:45:55 AM »
The income limit is between 22k and 23K depending on state. Above that, you have to go through the exchanges and you are stuck with high deductible policy and higher premiums.

The beauty here is that if you keep your income under $20,600 for couple, you will pay 0 taxes as in 2015 you get $12600 standard deduction plus $8000 exemption. in Indiana, there are no Taxes on 401K (original contribution) so for a couple, just redraw $20,599, pay 0 taxes and get super cheap healthcare with access to best doctors.

I know few RViers who work the system this way. Some get jobs mid year, max 401k, make less than 20K taxable that year, max 401k next year by putting 50% and work till they reach 20K in income and quit. Then the next 2 flowing years they travel taking money from 401K thru Roth ladder and pay 0 taxes. So by working less than one year, they got money for 4 years with 0 taxes paid. And now, cheap healthcare on top of that. And it's all legal (no working under the table).

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2015, 12:19:26 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2015, 12:38:05 PM »
Sorry, the limits are fro couple.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2015, 02:22:52 PM »
I can't wait for our national debt to become unsustainable so the government has no choice but to start cutting free loaders off.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2015, 02:49:59 PM »
I can't wait for our national debt to become unsustainable so the government has no choice but to start cutting free loaders off.

Thanks for the helpful comment. It really added to the conversation.



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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2015, 03:07:21 PM »
I am on Medicaid and it is great.  I keep income below 16.2k to qualify.  All the doctors from my former work plan are in the Medicaid plan.

The ACA is certainly not set and could be repealed at any time.  Keep Repubs away from the White House!

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2015, 05:39:04 PM »
Beware of the Medicaid (or in Calif, Medi-Cal) Estate Recovery Act. Some states do not have this but California does.

Btween ages 55-64, Medicaid is a LOAN. Especially here in California where they tally up the policy in general, even if you never see a doctor for those 9 years. And it's hella expensive if you join an actual plan versus straight medical.

If you have anything in your estate when you pass, they'll grab it from your kids.

If you plan on retiring earlier then you are probably ok (unless you end up in a Nursing Home then it's a loan)

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2015, 05:41:32 PM »
If you can somehow retire on the Medicare QMB program or SLMB program....meaning you will make very little in Social Security, then your estate will be exempt from estate recovery per the Federal Laws. Just an added note.


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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2015, 06:30:12 PM »
I am on Medicaid and it is great.  I keep income below 16.2k to qualify.  All the doctors from my former work plan are in the Medicaid plan.

The ACA is certainly not set and could be repealed at any time.  Keep Repubs away from the White House!

I'm not FI or ER but I've been un/underemployed for the past year. My state (CO) has really good Medicaid, which I have been on as my income is <$16,000. No asset test. I don't use medical care much. I did see an allergist in the summer. I called on Tues and they had an appt for me on Friday. $2 copay for a full allergy test. I got an rx for a drug but didn't end up using it as an OTC worked fine for me.

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2015, 06:35:50 PM »
Beware of the Medicaid (or in Calif, Medi-Cal) Estate Recovery Act. Some states do not have this but California does.

Btween ages 55-64, Medicaid is a LOAN. Especially here in California where they tally up the policy in general, even if you never see a doctor for those 9 years. And it's hella expensive if you join an actual plan versus straight medical.

If you have anything in your estate when you pass, they'll grab it from your kids.

If you plan on retiring earlier then you are probably ok (unless you end up in a Nursing Home then it's a loan)
Fortunately I am under 55 right now.  When I get to 55 I can go to NY's "Essential Plan", which is like Medicaid, but not, for between 138-150 FPL.  No estate recovery for the Essential Plan.

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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2015, 06:58:21 PM »
If you can somehow retire on the Medicare QMB program or SLMB program....meaning you will make very little in Social Security, then your estate will be exempt from estate recovery per the Federal Laws. Just an added note.
QMB pays for Medicare co-pays, deductibles, and premiums.  Technically it is still considered Medicare, but it is paid for by Medicaid.  Right now you would have to have less than $1,001 per month in income per month, and SS would have to be in payout mode to be eligible.  SLMB pays for the Medicare Part B amount, the eligibility amount is less than $1,197 per month.

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2015, 08:51:30 PM »
Sounds like Indiana has a great plan for Medicaid recipients.  It is much harder in New York to find a doctor that takes Medicaid - especially if you need mental health care.  Few psychiatrists take Medicaid here.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2015, 09:39:44 AM »
Beware of the Medicaid (or in Calif, Medi-Cal) Estate Recovery Act. Some states do not have this but California does.

Btween ages 55-64, Medicaid is a LOAN. Especially here in California where they tally up the policy in general, even if you never see a doctor for those 9 years. And it's hella expensive if you join an actual plan versus straight medical.

If you have anything in your estate when you pass, they'll grab it from your kids.

If you plan on retiring earlier then you are probably ok (unless you end up in a Nursing Home then it's a loan)

This is the main reason I servo my income each year to just above the medicaid eligibility limit. You can get 94% silver coverage, which means your co-pays and co-insurance payments are more reasonable.
Hopefully the ACA isn't repealed in 2017, for if it were to be, the only option I would have is private insurance (which its terribly expensive), or emigrate to the UK (where I'm a dual citizen).

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2015, 01:26:07 PM »
This is the main reason I servo my income each year to just above the medicaid eligibility limit. You can get 94% silver coverage, which means your co-pays and co-insurance payments are more reasonable.
Hopefully the ACA isn't repealed in 2017, for if it were to be, the only option I would have is private insurance (which its terribly expensive), or emigrate to the UK (where I'm a dual citizen).

Or you'd have the option to, you know, just work a few more years and pay for your own healthcare in RE rather than become a leech of society just because some ill conceived law allows you to save yourself a bit of money by screwing your neighbors over.  Its alright though...all the people looking to game the system are what is causing Obamacare to remain unpopular and what will cause it to fail.  The closing co-ops, sky rocketing deductibles and premiums for those who aren't getting subsidies, and companies pulling plans off the exchanges because they are losing money on them and not allowed to raise rates enough to even break even will continue to get worse when rates come around for the next enrollment period, just like they have every enrollment period since the exchanges opened.

Worrying about Obamacare being repealed in 2017 is like worrying about a condemned building getting demolished next year...even if it doesn't happen its only a matter of time before it will collapse on its own anyhow.

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2015, 02:22:10 PM »
The coverage is mandatory or pay a fine.  We are abiding by the law.  The objections are off topic and absurd.

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2015, 06:09:26 PM »
This is the main reason I servo my income each year to just above the medicaid eligibility limit. You can get 94% silver coverage, which means your co-pays and co-insurance payments are more reasonable.
Hopefully the ACA isn't repealed in 2017, for if it were to be, the only option I would have is private insurance (which its terribly expensive), or emigrate to the UK (where I'm a dual citizen).
Yes and hopefully you won't get a raise.
I messed with the figures once. If you go over that just a little, $$ it jumps up alot in price. You surely did that same thing to learn the methodology

My health plan is just $10 per month through my job.It is technically the State who pays me so the healthcare plan is excellent. The best I've ever heard of actually but my pay is just $12.50 per hour so maybe that's why. And none of the other state perks are offered...but  I can sleep for 8-8.5 hours out of the 18 hr shift so that suffices me just fine. Or go online, watch tv whatever...

I am Native American so could get some of the medical (basic stuff) f& basic dental free if necessary.

If you are Native American, even partially, you may want to look into it. I can help you. Those plans on the exchanges don't come with dental from what I understand
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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2015, 06:16:40 PM »
Beware of the Medicaid (or in Calif, Medi-Cal) Estate Recovery Act. Some states do not have this but California does.

Btween ages 55-64, Medicaid is a LOAN. Especially here in California where they tally up the policy in general, even if you never see a doctor for those 9 years. And it's hella expensive if you join an actual plan versus straight medical.

If you have anything in your estate when you pass, they'll grab it from your kids.

If you plan on retiring earlier then you are probably ok (unless you end up in a Nursing Home then it's a loan)
Fortunately I am under 55 right now.  When I get to 55 I can go to NY's "Essential Plan", which is like Medicaid, but not, for between 138-150 FPL.  No estate recovery for the Essential Plan.
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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2015, 06:25:42 PM »
This is the main reason I servo my income each year to just above the medicaid eligibility limit. You can get 94% silver coverage, which means your co-pays and co-insurance payments are more reasonable.
Hopefully the ACA isn't repealed in 2017, for if it were to be, the only option I would have is private insurance (which its terribly expensive), or emigrate to the UK (where I'm a dual citizen).

Or you'd have the option to, you know, just work a few more years and pay for your own healthcare in RE rather than become a leech of society just because some ill conceived law allows you to save yourself a bit of money by screwing your neighbors over.  Its alright though...all the people looking to game the system are what is causing Obamacare to remain unpopular and what will cause it to fail.  The closing co-ops, sky rocketing deductibles and premiums for those who aren't getting subsidies, and companies pulling plans off the exchanges because they are losing money on them and not allowed to raise rates enough to even break even will continue to get worse when rates come around for the next enrollment period, just like they have every enrollment period since the exchanges opened.

Worrying about Obamacare being repealed in 2017 is like worrying about a condemned building getting demolished next year...even if it doesn't happen its only a matter of time before it will collapse on its own anyhow.
Fat people are always upset when a working person gets free medical. Fatties are of the main reasons deductibles, co-pays, premiums are  are so high that working class people can't afford basic healthcare. It's insane. Health Plans need to charge people who treat their bodies like garbage disposals much more $ so the rest can be saved for those who value their health. If fat people keep gorging themselves they make costs skyrocket for private insurance industries. And taxpayers

Fat people need to loose weight, eat healthy so the others can also enjoy the perks they do. These people also gorge the healthcare system by paying the same  amount $$ into a private healthcare system as their co workers then drawing out major bucks $$ due to their self imposed diabetes, heart conditions, stroke, etc...the working innocent then pay for the fatties...unless of course they are saavy enough to somehow obtain medical care at no cost. Or low cost, and it's often care they wont use, or barely use anyhow. Cause the working complainers, who are cranky already due to health problems, are milking the system to death and don't want the others who found a way to benefit equally to take a part of their pie.
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2015, 01:38:59 PM »
Fat people are always upset when a working person gets free medical. Fatties are of the main reasons deductibles, co-pays, premiums are  are so high that working class people can't afford basic healthcare. It's insane. Health Plans need to charge people who treat their bodies like garbage disposals much more $ so the rest can be saved for those who value their health. If fat people keep gorging themselves they make costs skyrocket for private insurance industries. And taxpayers

Fat people need to loose weight, eat healthy so the others can also enjoy the perks they do. These people also gorge the healthcare system by paying the same  amount $$ into a private healthcare system as their co workers then drawing out major bucks $$ due to their self imposed diabetes, heart conditions, stroke, etc...the working innocent then pay for the fatties...unless of course they are saavy enough to somehow obtain medical care at no cost. Or low cost, and it's often care they wont use, or barely use anyhow. Cause the working complainers, who are cranky already due to health problems, are milking the system to death and don't want the others who found a way to benefit equally to take a part of their pie.

Wow.  I can't tell whether you're serious or being sarcastic.  There are just enough grammar and spelling issues to make me think you're serious, well trolled if not.

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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2015, 03:23:29 PM »
This is the main reason I servo my income each year to just above the medicaid eligibility limit. You can get 94% silver coverage, which means your co-pays and co-insurance payments are more reasonable.
Hopefully the ACA isn't repealed in 2017, for if it were to be, the only option I would have is private insurance (which its terribly expensive), or emigrate to the UK (where I'm a dual citizen).

Or you'd have the option to, you know, just work a few more years and pay for your own healthcare in RE rather than become a leech of society just because some ill conceived law allows you to save yourself a bit of money by screwing your neighbors over.  Its alright though...all the people looking to game the system are what is causing Obamacare to remain unpopular and what will cause it to fail.  The closing co-ops, sky rocketing deductibles and premiums for those who aren't getting subsidies, and companies pulling plans off the exchanges because they are losing money on them and not allowed to raise rates enough to even break even will continue to get worse when rates come around for the next enrollment period, just like they have every enrollment period since the exchanges opened.

Worrying about Obamacare being repealed in 2017 is like worrying about a condemned building getting demolished next year...even if it doesn't happen its only a matter of time before it will collapse on its own anyhow.
This is an interesting perspective, really.  I've never really looked into the ins and the outs.

For the RVers - well, it's not like they are a total drain on the system.  For one thing, they have jobs.  Yes, they keep their income down to where they don't pay income tax BUT they are of course paying SS tax.  And it's all the same bucket.

When it comes to people being a "drain on the system" and working the system, it seems like degrees of badness to me.  I mean, the so-called baby mama on welfare and food stamps with 4 kids - that's at least a degree worse than this, no?  I know a family with 4 children, and the children are on Medical.  The dad works, but does not put his kids on his insurance.  The mom homeschools.  I find it interesting that they are pro-circ and anti-vax and need a place that will take Medi-cal.  Anyway, that's a side note.  I'd like to add that I've met a NUMBER of unmarried families with children, where the kids are on Medi-Cal because they are eligible due to mom's income.  Even though Dad could add them.

I like the ACA simply because of what it did for several close friends.  I have friends who were uninsurable due to a pre-existing condition.  One friend moved states and was on BCBS, and they refused to cover him in the new state.  Another friend had a year of unemployment and was able to have health coverage.  (Good thing too, he was in a bad car accident during that time, while working a temp job.)  I really think basic health coverage is essential, and I don't think it should be tied to employment.  (Nor do I think it should be free.)

I guess it's a sliding scale of badness.  I had a friend when I got out of the Navy who went to business school.  He got into a top school and got a 1 year scholarship of $27k.  It was a need-based scholarship.  That dude had $16k in savings by the time he graduated from HIGH SCHOOL, much less after 4 years of ROTC and 4 years of the Navy.  What did he do?  He signed over all of his savings to his little brother so he'd be "broke".  Yeah, legal maybe but not exactly ethical.  (As I was the "poor kid" who actually needed financial aid in college, it rubbed me the wrong way.)

So there's the level of badness, there's looking at what these people have provided to the government already through their lifetimes, and what life will be like going forward.  I mind less if someone has already worked a full life and paid a lot of taxes.  (I am so irked when people work, pay taxes, get laid off, get cancer, and can't fucking afford treatment...at the age of 55).  I mind less if people need the help - what's the quote about how a country treats its most vulnerable?  (children, elderly, etc.)

Anyway, everyone I know on the ACA really needs it, and I'm glad it's there.  I spend much of my childhood without insurance (jobs didn't cover it), and had to have more than one surgery that took my parents years to pay for.  On the other hand, I remember as a kid that health care spending came first.  You never would have found anyone in my family complaining about the cost of health care, all while paying $90 a month on a cell phone or $200 on cable/internet or $10 a day on lunch.

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2015, 11:26:41 PM »
Fat people are always upset when a working person gets free medical. Fatties are of the main reasons deductibles, co-pays, premiums are  are so high that working class people can't afford basic healthcare. It's insane. Health Plans need to charge people who treat their bodies like garbage disposals much more $ so the rest can be saved for those who value their health. If fat people keep gorging themselves they make costs skyrocket for private insurance industries. And taxpayers

Fat people need to loose weight, eat healthy so the others can also enjoy the perks they do. These people also gorge the healthcare system by paying the same  amount $$ into a private healthcare system as their co workers then drawing out major bucks $$ due to their self imposed diabetes, heart conditions, stroke, etc...the working innocent then pay for the fatties...unless of course they are saavy enough to somehow obtain medical care at no cost. Or low cost, and it's often care they wont use, or barely use anyhow. Cause the working complainers, who are cranky already due to health problems, are milking the system to death and don't want the others who found a way to benefit equally to take a part of their pie.

Wow.  I can't tell whether you're serious or being sarcastic.  There are just enough grammar and spelling issues to make me think you're serious, well trolled if not.
That post was not to you. It was a reply to someone else.
Please refrain from calling people trolls, and criticizing them for spelling errors when you dislike their posts. That is being a Troll

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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2015, 12:53:55 AM »
I'm pro national health services, like our NHS (and work in one), but I do wonder if anyone ever feels any shame that they are effectively getting it for free.  Obamacare is being directly paid for by the next generation and the main beneficiaries are the elderly, who have paid tax, but not enough and ran up huge debts and then expect to have their healthcare subsidised. 

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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2015, 03:18:49 PM »
what is up with "people"(won't name who) misspelling lose as loose??  anyhoo, if you're following the rules the government created, then, in my book, you are not freeloading. I am also a medicaid "freeloader", but not really by choice. my income is less than 10,000 a year and according to their rules, I can have medicaid for free or pay over $300(don't qualify for subsidies) per month on the exchange. if I made around 16,000, then I could be on the exchange for 50.00(qualifies for subsidies) per month. I would gladly pay $50 per month to have blue shield. but, the ACA would rather I pay NOTHING on medicaid. So, I'm going to ride it out on medicaid for a couple of years and hope they figure it out, change the rules slightly, and start taking some of my money......just not $350 a month.

10,000 income                                                  OR                                 16,000 income
nothing on medicaid                                                                               $50 heavily subsidized blue cross on exchange
$350 blue cross on exchange                                                                 

Wishful thinking....The ACA allows people the option of paying $50 per month for incomes of 0.00-16,000 or medicaid if they don't want to pay the 50 bucks.

Yes, I'm freeloading. But, if you were in my situation, wouldn't you be too? People are going to say,"How about bringing in more income to get up to 16,000?" Yes, yes, yes. A lot of my business expenses(mainly mileage) cancel it out.  "how about not reporting all of your mileage?" and pay more in taxes??? no thanks.

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2015, 10:05:50 PM »
Worrying about Obamacare being repealed in 2017 is like worrying about a condemned building getting demolished next year...even if it doesn't happen its only a matter of time before it will collapse on its own anyhow.

Because no civilized nation has ever managed to provide centralized or low out of pocked health care for its citizens (sarcasm).

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2015, 09:48:14 AM »
I resent the all bums who know every angle and play the system. But if you can't beat em, join em! I've been ER for about 2 years, now age 61. I was tempted to go on Medicaid when Pa expanded it. But Pa has the Medicaid Asset Recovery thing, and in theory they can take $$$ from your estate when you die, although it has never yet been done to anyone, apparently. Still, the possibility of it has scared me away from Medicaid. I have pension and interest income of only $10k per year, and I have to do a Roth IRA conversion every year to get my income  up to $16,300 so I can qualify for a heavily subsidized Ocare plan. So I guess I'm not a complete parasite, since I have to pay federal taxes on the Roth conversion at 10 %, which is $630. Medicaid would be nice if all the doctors took it, and if I hadn't heard so many horror stories about it. There's a lack of reliable info about how Medicaid would work out for me, here in Pa, so I shy away from it. Plus I would feel like a deadbeat having Medicaid (even though I know I should not).   :)

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #32 on: December 22, 2015, 11:15:35 AM »
I don't understand people who are so against Medicaid but are OK with getting ACA subsidies.  Same thing, different name.

When I figure the multiple thousands the gov't has taken from me by the zero interest rate policy, this is the least thing they can do.

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2015, 11:39:44 AM »
I'm sure I will get some hate on here for being free loader and using the system.

These kinds of arguments are really frustrating. We can, and should, debate what the rules should be, but if someone qualifies, then they should take the benefit. I assume you worked before retiring and paid taxes on the money you made. Your taxes went into Medicaid/Medicare and a million other programs. Compared to our Lockheed subsidies, Medicaid is a drop in the ocean.
I'm not sure what your definition of a drop in the ocean is but Medicaid spending is about $500 billion dollars a year, or about 16% of national health expenditures in 2014. Health care expenditures are approaching 20% of national GDP.

Also the federal government spends more on health care than defense:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

When state spending is added in the difference is even greater as a big part of states budgets is health care.

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Re: Medicaid Expansion for MM retiring at 41
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2015, 12:38:43 AM »
Just some facts-

There is a tendency to view Medicaid/Medi-Cal as WELFARE. Therefore by definition,  costing the taxpayer more than these Gov't subsidies but in effect, the reverse is true. Data for 2014 (Per Month)

Per Moneyweek, the average subsidy per month, per enrollee is $264 per person-$82 average premium cost= $182 per person
The average spending per month, per adult Medicaid in California is $1584 per yr or $132 per person.

This isn't exactly apples to apples as I couldn't find data per enrolee for the ENTIRE Medicaid Program so I used a more expensive State to be safe, California per Adult enrollee comparing it to the ENTIRE Gov't Subsidies

http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/medicaid-spending-per-enrollee/

http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/18/news/economy/obamacare-subsidy/index.html


As a taxpayer, would you rather pay $182 per person SUBSIDY or $132 per person for the MEDICAID?

We save about $50 per mo. if Joe Blow signs up for Medicaid Versus he if signed up for a Gov't Subsidy.


But again, a person would need to be aware of the Medicaid State Recovery Act and its implications before choosing Medicaid/Medi-Cal.







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