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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2015, 06:22:09 AM »
This thread comes at great timing. My wife just finished writing a book and is looking to self-publish via e-books soon. What have you guys used for cover art / creative for websites? We just received a quote for $2,400 (and from a friend!). I'm not 100% sure what this involves, but I'm 100% sure we won't be paying that much!

That's flippin' crazy.  What genre is it?  You can find cover designers out there via Goonwrite, for example, or even Fiverr if you want to go the very cheap route.  If it's romance, I can give you sme leads to some good designers and you can look at their websites to see whose style you like.

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« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2015, 06:23:28 AM »
Make it at least 5,000 words, preferably heading towards 15,000

Oh good, I have one in progress that is currently ~13,000 words and I was worried it was too short. It will probably be between 15,000 to 20,000 words when it's finished.

Has anyone put their book in the Kindle Owners Lending Library? Tom Bri, it looks like maybe you have? I am wondering what kind of success you've had with it. From my understanding, people with Prime accounts can borrow your book for free and you receive a royalty (~$2) from Amazon. I would think this would help to get the word out, especially if you have a back catalog of other books they could then buy or borrow. Can anyone report?

Actually, they recently changed this, and are now paying per page read. The current rate is $0.005779 per page.  At that borrow rate, short books don't really add up. Longer works can do well under this system, though, as long as they are page-turners.
Do you think with short works it would be a good way to get reviews?  It seems (based on what I've read so far) that getting lots of reviews is important.

Maybe, but not so much in my experience.  However, my short works were erotica, and a lot of erotica readers don't necessarily want to leave reviews.

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« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2015, 08:37:31 AM »
Great post, Philbert!

I've spent $0 on marketing, but people keep finding my book.

Just wondering if you have to spend much time and effort on marketing? Regardless of whether money is involved, I find marketing myself to be one of the tougher things, because I'm not the outgoing type at all.

I hate marketing, too! I have a Facebook page and put my books on Goodreads. But even then, I'm not posting that much. Maybe 2-3 times a week. (This is true with my real facebook profile, too. I just don't have anything worth statusing about! My life is not that interesting.) Most of my marketing effort comes around book launches. I also try to publish an email newsletter once a month.

When I do post, I try to interact with fans and readers in a genuine way. I'm not a marketing expert by any stretch, but I believe in quality over quantity. Carpetbombing social media with posts about your book won't build your audience. I prefer to focus on creating 1-to-1 connections with fans and readers, building up my 1,000 true fans. I always respond to reader emails and FB messages, and I'll like their FB statuses. Put out quality content, and people will come. That can be a great book, insightful social media posts, links to cool articles. Something of value.

In my monthly newsletter, if I don't have a new book to promote, I'll talk about what I'm working on. I'll recommend other M/M romance books I've read. I'll link to cool, relevant blog posts I've read. That way, people don't think I'm selling to them all the time.



Take care of formatting and editing - get someone good at it to do it for you if you aren't great at grammar, punctuation etc.  People don't mind typos etc in free books, but will be justifiably snarky about paying for what is obviously a poorly written first draft.


I second this. I paid for copy-editing and formatting, and don't regret a cent I spent.


Would you mind sharing who you used, anything of note about the process, and a basic fee structure?  My goal is to have book #1 finished and ready for a copy edit by January.  I won't publish until I have at least the second, if not also the third, done, but I figure I can be working editing on #1 while I write #2.  I've got some editors that I found through their sponsorship of NaNoWriMo, but I'd love a personal recommendation.

For covers, I've used GoOnWrite.com and premade covers at http://thebookcoverdesigner.com. The most I've spent on a cover is $60. GoOnWrite sells them for $45.

Copy editing - http://raweston.com/home/editing-services/
Formatting - Caitlin Greer. Her site is down, but if you're interested, I'll PM you her email.

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2015, 01:31:36 PM »
It's really interesting to see these pre-made book cover sites.  I'm somewhat familiar with the art/design side of the process, and seeing the price/quality scale in action and thinking about how much impact it really makes is very, very interesting.  It also explains the graphic trends I've been noticing (high contrast with lost value ranges, glows, colour "filters", stock photography) but not really paying attention to, and is making me think that some of it is due to consistent use of photo editing tricks one can use to make a cohesive cover quickly.  These also seem to be focusing on the romance/erotica scene, which is logical as a) the main characters are usually "average" people who can be easily represented by stock photos and the subject mater is "standard" and not literally depicted.  I don't think I've seen a good cover for sci-fi on these sites, which I think supports this analysis.  Anyway, this is just a record of my train of thought...

Some more info for context:  the pay for a cover in the traditional publishing market is usually a minimum of $1k, and typically closer to $2k in exchange for print media rights for a global area such as N. America (which is why you get new covers for the same book in another market such as Europe), while the artists retains rights to the image for things such as prints.  However, these are artists to put in 2-4 weeks of work on a piece with input from an art director, a marketing team, and the author, and the quality is professional with a certain "guarantee" of success.

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« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2015, 02:51:05 PM »
I published my first 2 erotica ebooks (short stories) last month. I sold a total 27 copies with no marketing. The plan is to try and put out 2 a month (though I'll only get one done in September because of vacation. I got my cover done on fiverr.

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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2015, 03:31:12 PM »
Make it at least 5,000 words, preferably heading towards 15,000

Oh good, I have one in progress that is currently ~13,000 words and I was worried it was too short. It will probably be between 15,000 to 20,000 words when it's finished.


I must qualify my word-limit guideline.  I was only thinking about short-form non-fic books.  Different genres carry their own expectations of word-length, with most being considerably longer.

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« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2015, 08:45:21 PM »
Make it at least 5,000 words, preferably heading towards 15,000

Oh good, I have one in progress that is currently ~13,000 words and I was worried it was too short. It will probably be between 15,000 to 20,000 words when it's finished.


I must qualify my word-limit guideline.  I was only thinking about short-form non-fic books.  Different genres carry their own expectations of word-length, with most being considerably longer.

It's romance, so I'm probably ok to be in the novella range 😃 Thanks!

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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2015, 04:47:04 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2015, 04:09:48 PM »
Make it at least 5,000 words, preferably heading towards 15,000

Oh good, I have one in progress that is currently ~13,000 words and I was worried it was too short. It will probably be between 15,000 to 20,000 words when it's finished.



I must qualify my word-limit guideline.  I was only thinking about short-form non-fic books.  Different genres carry their own expectations of word-length, with most being considerably longer.

It's romance, so I'm probably ok to be in the novella range 😃 Thanks!


I wouldn't go under 20,000 for a romance novella. Romance readers can be a testy bunch!

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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2015, 06:10:27 PM »
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« Reply #61 on: September 18, 2015, 06:52:24 PM »
For my cover art I just googled for fantasy pics, and then scrolled through page after page after page until I found one I liked. Then I looked up who the artist was and sent him a message on his website asking if I could use that pic to create my cover. He sent me a boilerplate contract and I signed it and sent him a $50 paypal payment. That pic is what sold my book, I have no doubt at all. For my next book I will pay the same guy real money for an original.
As for advertizing, I did none except post a link on my facebook a few times.
Here is an article I wrote about my experience self-publishing with Amazon:
http://hub.me/afcSP

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2015, 03:37:40 PM »
Following. Hoping to turn this into a side hustle of sorts. Now I just need to find something to write about!

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« Reply #63 on: September 20, 2015, 05:40:48 PM »
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« Reply #64 on: September 20, 2015, 06:45:42 PM »
A bit of an update: I just launched another book and ...

... it flopped. At least, it did not match my expectations. I sell on my own site, not on a marketplace, so my biggest problem is driving demand. My marketing efforts were totally subpar and rushed, for no other reason than I wanted to hit an arbitrary deadline, one that I didn't even really think about hitting until that day.

Things I didn't do right, and that I'm going to fix when I re-launch next month:

  • I didn't drive anticipation on my email list. I just sent a single "buy this thing" email, which does not work at all
  • I didn't build my list very much at all. I started with about 100 people, but then didn't do anything to grow that number leading to launch.
  • I literally cooked up my launch strategy in 20 minutes over breakfast last week. It was suboptimal, to say the least.

My goal for this book is $1,500/mo. It's going to take a lot to get there.

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« Reply #65 on: September 20, 2015, 07:45:23 PM »
Post a link. I don't think that is excessively self-promotional, it it?

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« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2015, 05:36:30 AM »
Post a link. I don't think that is excessively self-promotional, it it?

Can't hurt, I suppose. The book is Handle Your Business. It's focused on self-employed consultants and freelancers that know how to sell, but don't know what their backoffice should look like.

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« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2015, 06:30:30 AM »
Nice! Some totally unsolicited comments: are you going to do a big banner image with the book cover like you did for your other book? The page looks a little spartan without it. There's also a typo: "Sure, that's I did" (missing "what").

You're addressing a much wider audience with your first book, so there is commensurate potential for it to go bigger. But I would imagine there's also more competition in the "running your own back office" arena, so you'll need to work out strategies to be heard above the din.

I would absolutely buy this book (probably the full package actually) if it was tailored to the UK. Best of luck!

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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2015, 06:36:12 AM »
Nice! Some totally unsolicited comments: are you going to do a big banner image with the book cover like you did for your other book? The page looks a little spartan without it. There's also a typo: "Sure, that's I did" (missing "what").

You're addressing a much wider audience with your first book, so there is commensurate potential for it to go bigger. But I would imagine there's also more competition in the "running your own back office" arena, so you'll need to work out strategies to be heard above the din.

I would absolutely buy this book (probably the full package actually) if it was tailored to the UK. Best of luck!

Thanks for the typo alert! Re: the banner image, yeah that's on the todo list. I'm going to work on a book cover today.

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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2015, 06:49:50 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2015, 11:05:40 AM »
I recommend Robin Ludwig.  Very reasonable rates and does good work with a quick turnaround.  That's who has designed my book covers.  Note- you will have to do some photo/graphics choosing but it's nowhere near what you've been quoted.

This thread comes at great timing. My wife just finished writing a book and is looking to self-publish via e-books soon. What have you guys used for cover art / creative for websites? We just received a quote for $2,400 (and from a friend!). I'm not 100% sure what this involves, but I'm 100% sure we won't be paying that much!

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« Reply #74 on: September 25, 2015, 04:01:13 PM »
I've got one novella and recently published a new novel. Amazing how much more action I've seen since publishing the new book :)

So far I'm just making pocket money, but my dream is to turn this into an equivalent full-time income.

Need more books for that!

Numbers - so far have sold 680 copies and made:
US$651.07
UK Ł95.89   
Canada $39.95   
AUD$34.93   
and €6.59

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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2015, 10:14:58 AM »
I've got one novella and recently published a new novel. Amazing how much more action I've seen since publishing the new book :)

So far I'm just making pocket money, but my dream is to turn this into an equivalent full-time income.

Need more books for that!

Numbers - so far have sold 680 copies and made:
US$651.07
UK Ł95.89   
Canada $39.95   
AUD$34.93   
and €6.59

Congrats on your burgeoning catalogue.

Over what period of time did you get those sales?

(...and can you post a link to the books?)

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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2015, 08:37:55 AM »
If you want to bootstrap your cover, I found this site called Canva.com. You can make an ebook cover on there for free. And they have lots of images you can license for $1.00. I played around with it the other day, and it was fairly easy to use. Although I will stress again how important covers are. I think you can make a decent one on Canva if you know what you're doing.

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« Reply #77 on: November 20, 2015, 06:39:08 AM »
Update on the launch: it did ok. $2,800 in sales from my email list, but so far it hasn't gotten any reviews or links so that tapered off to nothing very quickly. At this point I think I need to up my blog post game and get more people on the list. I'm also going to work on the first book, because sales have dropped off there too and it badly needs an update.

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« Reply #78 on: November 20, 2015, 07:12:34 AM »
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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2015, 07:59:42 AM »
Forgot about this thread--also hella following!

I like the entrepreneurial sprit of these forums. :)  Plus, I feel the need to say at least something if I want to follow the thread....

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« Reply #80 on: November 20, 2015, 08:05:54 AM »
This is an awesome thread! I've always wanted to write, but didn't think I could get anything published the old-fashioned way. But now with self-publishing through Amazon and the like I might just give it a shot. Who knows, this could be my side-hustle. Thanks for all the good info everyone!

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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2016, 08:14:14 PM »
Update on the launch: it did ok. $2,800 in sales from my email list, but so far it hasn't gotten any reviews or links so that tapered off to nothing very quickly. At this point I think I need to up my blog post game and get more people on the list. I'm also going to work on the first book, because sales have dropped off there too and it badly needs an update.

How big is your email list ?     I am starting putting some non-fiction books on Amazon with the intention of directing people towards an email list through bonus content.     I've read on some sites that an averagely managed email list should be worth about $ 1 / subscriber / month

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« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2016, 10:41:25 AM »
Anyone want a free proofread? I offer free because you don't know me. Plus, it is something I do for fun for a number of wannabe (and even a few actual) authors. Eventually I hope to get paid to do it. Sort of like dealing crack...first hit is free.
The reason I do it for free for the actual authors is that these are great books in the genre I like, that I would most likely never actually buy. So, I get to read it before anyone else, and then get to feel the pleasure of seeing my handiwork actually get published.

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« Reply #83 on: January 16, 2016, 01:30:50 PM »
Update on the launch: it did ok. $2,800 in sales from my email list, but so far it hasn't gotten any reviews or links so that tapered off to nothing very quickly. At this point I think I need to up my blog post game and get more people on the list. I'm also going to work on the first book, because sales have dropped off there too and it badly needs an update.

How big is your email list ?     I am starting putting some non-fiction books on Amazon with the intention of directing people towards an email list through bonus content.     I've read on some sites that an averagely managed email list should be worth about $ 1 / subscriber / month

When the promo went out it was about 3,300 people, but a lot of those joined specifically for ruby/Stripe content and are not particularly interested in business-y content.

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« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2016, 06:44:04 PM »
Interesting topic. I have a book on Amazon as of a week ago that was primarily a test for me to figure out how to format and upload a book. It really isn't too hard technically (now that it's done). The book contains 500 of my best tips for saving money so that you can use that cash to buy income-producing assets. People always complain that they don't have any money to invest, well, as we mustachians know, everyone has money they waste every day. If you want to take a look, here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/Nickels-Quarters-Saving-Investing-Finally-ebook/dp/B01AFOOSJ4/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1452511799&sr=1-1&keywords=nickels+dimes+quarters+guide

I haven't done any marketing, other than write about it on my blog. I am using the book to learn how Amazon works and so far I know I do not like the cover design creator Amazon provides.

NDQ


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« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2016, 07:40:15 PM »
I haven't done any marketing, other than write about it on my blog. I am using the book to learn how Amazon works and so far I know I do not like the cover design creator Amazon provides.

NDQ

I found someone on Fiverr to make my cover; they did a good job. It only cost me twenty bucks. They had one of the highest ratings.

Congratulations on finishing your book. That's been the hardest part for me. Mine is 90% done, but I'm a perfectionist and keep fiddling with it.

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« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2016, 08:23:40 PM »
Thanks for the Fiverr suggestion. That's a great idea.

Give yourself a deadline to have your book posted and then meet that deadline no matter what. Accept that it won't be perfect (that's what second editions are for!! LOL). Do it!!!! If you need even more accountability, post on MMM with your deadline and progress. We will cheer you on or smack you around, whatever it takes.

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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2016, 09:17:14 PM »
This thread is so interesting. Posting to follow!

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« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2016, 04:12:41 PM »
After about three years of intense training and calculating, his plans change when he meets a beautiful Parisian female in a métro station. He "wakes up" from his one-minded course of vengeance, but only to be pulled into her dangerous live by way of a maniacal drug lord and killer nicknamed "Le Boucher",  who has claimed her as his.

My first reaction is: Why would a beautiful Parisian "female" (I assume here you mean a woman - this is a place where word choice makes a difference, there have been several threads in this forum on the topic) care about this loner?  Loners generally give off such a negative vibe that an attractive woman won't bother, as they have lots of other options.

Make sure that the other characters aren't just NPCs in your protag's world.  They need to have their own motivations and goals.

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« Reply #90 on: January 17, 2016, 10:29:53 PM »

If you like to read, would you consider reading and providing feedback whenever I have a complete rough draft?

I'd give it a read. Do you have completed chapters?

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« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2016, 01:24:04 PM »
This thread is inspiring. I'm spending my holiday writing.

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« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2016, 01:26:29 PM »
Following.  I don't know if I'd want to do a technical manual or erotica though.  Don't have nearly enough experience in either.  Probably would like to do a graphic novel.  How much of the audience building and other advice given here would apply for this genre?

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« Reply #93 on: January 18, 2016, 02:57:50 PM »
I've been batting around this idea for a while and have been quietly following this thread until now. I've been writing my whole life in some capacity or other. In high school, I wrote poetry and short stories. In college, I dappled a little bit in fiction, but mostly I wrote tons and tons of papers. Then a thesis. Then a master's thesis. Then a dissertation. So, I'm very far away from fictional or imaginative writing. I've spent the past few years editing other peoples' work and doing minor ghostwriting, mostly speeches, online shit (literally) and one memoir.

But I know if I really sat down and worked at it, I could write better than most of the boilerplate books I've been reading for free on Overdrive or getting monthly from Amazon Prime. I don't mean to belittle what's written, but I know I have the capacity to reach that or surpass it. To me, one of my obstacles to writing is the thought of inadvertently getting the setting and the details wrong. Plus there's the amount of time you have to devote to minutia like what someone is wearing and how they look. I haven't been able to find a successful modern romance or fiction book that doesn't spend an inordinate amount of time on these things.

Anyway, the reason I am finally de-lurking is because I finally came up with a real plot line that I think I can pursue! For me, the key was to draw from my own personal experiences. I would be a terrible historical romance writer, at least I think I would, since I feel the need to somehow connect with the characters about which I am writing. This is pretty funny for me to say, since with a PhD in history I am really ideally situated to do either historical fiction or historical romance. I have a friend who has been bugging me for years to write a historical novel in my historical sub-genre. I think I'm too much of a perfectionist to delve into the past like that.

So for now I am going to go with my modern romance. I just wrote my first page! It was very enjoyable. It might take me a year to finish it, but I will plug away in my free time. The hard part is going to be having to pay someone else to edit it. Even though I am an editor myself, I know I can't edit my own work successfully.

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2016, 04:45:13 PM »
Thanks for delurking and talking about your plan to write the novel. While the book I posted is a book of tips to save money, I have also been working on fiction for many years. Since these stories take more time, the tip book was a nice distraction but it was also productive.

And...I've made a sale! I know, only one, but it's a start, right?

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2016, 06:24:58 PM »
Posting to follow. I suspect I won't ever get around to it, but I have been paid in the past for non-fiction articles (we're talking >10 years ago). However, I know my attention to detail with grammar etc has been declining in recent months/years. I will need to unlearn some bad habits if I try to write for money again.

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2016, 09:25:28 PM »
But I know if I really sat down and worked at it, I could write better than most of the boilerplate books I've been reading for free on Overdrive or getting monthly from Amazon Prime. I don't mean to belittle what's written, but I know I have the capacity to reach that or surpass it.
That's pretty damn presumptuous, and the last person I heard make that statement never made it to the end of his short story, let alone a novel. I'm one of your boilerplate book writers, and while my tastes far surpass my talent, it's taken me twenty novels to get to the point where I feel like I'm even at a semi-decent level of writing. It's not the sentences that are hard, it's the story, and mastering the art of storytelling is a hell of a lot harder than getting grammar and style right.

Your caveat is true - if you really sit down and work at writing, you can get good at it. Most people give up before they reach the end of their first book, though,and lots others realize that it's much easier to read a good book than it is to write one. I wish you luck with your first efforts.

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #97 on: January 19, 2016, 12:47:44 AM »

That's pretty damn presumptuous, and the last person I heard make that statement never made it to the end of his short story, let alone a novel. I'm one of your boilerplate book writers, and while my tastes far surpass my talent, it's taken me twenty novels to get to the point where I feel like I'm even at a semi-decent level of writing. It's not the sentences that are hard, it's the story, and mastering the art of storytelling is a hell of a lot harder than getting grammar and style right.

That is so true.   A while back (quite a while back now) I had some time and decided I wanted to write some sci-fi short stories.  I cranked out a few (some were not too bad, IMHO), but trying to get them to the next level was extremely hard.  I joined a face to face group that had some pretty well credentialed authors and that helped, but trying to go from "decent" to "somebody would pay to read this" was really tough. 

It made me really appreciate the craft of writing.  A good example of the difficulty of writing well is airline in flight magazine articles.  Most of them are fairly shitty.  But if you ask yourself how to improve the article, the answer isn't always very obvious.  You just know it is bad, but it is hard to figure exactly why.  Doing the same thing for your own writing is even harder. 

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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #98 on: January 19, 2016, 05:45:11 AM »
But I know if I really sat down and worked at it, I could write better than most of the boilerplate books I've been reading for free on Overdrive or getting monthly from Amazon Prime. I don't mean to belittle what's written, but I know I have the capacity to reach that or surpass it.
That's pretty damn presumptuous, and the last person I heard make that statement never made it to the end of his short story, let alone a novel. I'm one of your boilerplate book writers, and while my tastes far surpass my talent, it's taken me twenty novels to get to the point where I feel like I'm even at a semi-decent level of writing. It's not the sentences that are hard, it's the story, and mastering the art of storytelling is a hell of a lot harder than getting grammar and style right.

Your caveat is true - if you really sit down and work at writing, you can get good at it. Most people give up before they reach the end of their first book, though,and lots others realize that it's much easier to read a good book than it is to write one. I wish you luck with your first efforts.

I'm sorry this came across poorly. In hindsight I should have mentioned how many books I also read that I think, "Wow, this is really great. The characters and the words really come alive. This person does such a better job than I could do."

You're right about the storytelling aspect of it, and I'm sure I will learn how that aspect can indeed be challenging. But I stand by my comment regarding the quality of the writing of many (but not all) of the books I have read in the romance genre. The writers likely have done a better job than I could have done about developing a story and moving it forward (after all, that's why their books are on my Kindle and my hypothetical one isn't!), but the writing itself suffers from a lack of something. I think that's what sets certain writers apart from others. Not surprisingly, these are the same books that have three or less stars on Amazon's rating system. I'm not the only one who noticed it. The writing impeded the storytelling. 

Conversely, I am acquainted with someone peripherally in my real life who wrote something classified as true literature of the likes of Wolfe (i.e. something that is featured at the front of Barnes and Noble, the full press court, articles in the New Yorker), and he got three stars and below because, while he is an amazing writer, probably one of the best, the story itself didn't go anywhere. So there's that too.

I probably don't have whatever it takes to make a great writer either, and I'm not talking about great in the sense of Tolstoy or Hardy or even Wolfe. I mean great in the sense of compelling, pop lit.  I think it takes both an ability to develop a compelling story which brings a place and person alive and an ability to write well. Some people have one and not the other. These people cross my desk often as an editor/ghostwriter. They have the idea for a fabulous story but lack the ability to write it. Or they have written something, and the writing needs to be elevated somewhat.   

Anyway, I'm sorry again that I came across as rude or presumptuous. I recognize how hard it is to write, which is why I haven't pursued fiction in earnest and sat on the sidelines mulling it over. I have written a book, though - three actually (more if you count my ghostwriting), all of which were over 100 pages, one over 300 pages. I count completing those "books" (are dissertations books?) in the category of extremely difficult things I've done in my life. I know how difficult it is. 
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Re: Making Money from Ebooks ?
« Reply #99 on: January 19, 2016, 05:55:49 AM »
One more thing:
Regarding fiction, what has kept me from doing it is the limitlessness of it. When you write non-fiction, especially history, you are bound by the facts. You can embellish a little within the bounds of the place and time. And good history writers do that. But with fiction, it's the wide open spaces. Anything goes. The only thing that limits you is your own capacity to imagine and create. But, at the same time, you are somewhat bound by the readership and what they will accept as plausible or at least interesting. The tension between the limitlessness of your mind and the constraints of the audience -- that is a hard tension to resolve.

I most certainly recognize that and am overwhelmed by it sometimes.