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Traveling to Europe for a month and need suggestions
« on: July 18, 2024, 05:50:24 PM »
Hi Mustache Fam,

I will be traveling in August to Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Switzerland and/or Italy.

Flying into Madrid and coming back from Madrid. 

Any suggestions of places I must see etc? I have a pretty big itinerary planned but would love to crowd source this a little bit and get thoughts.

Here's a list of things I've put together so far to get the creative juices going.  Would love any recommendations, hotel ideas to travel mustachian etc



### Day 1-4: Spain (Madrid and Surroundings)
*Day 1: Arrival in Madrid*
- Check into your hotel.
- Explore Puerta del Sol and Plaza Mayor.
- Visit the Royal Palace of Madrid.
- Dinner at a local tapas restaurant.

*Day 2: Madrid*
- Visit the Prado Museum.
- Stroll through Retiro Park.
- Explore the Gran Via for shopping and entertainment.
- Evening in the La Latina neighborhood.

*Day 3: Day Trip to Toledo*
- Take a train to Toledo (about 30 minutes).
- Visit Toledo Cathedral, Alcázar of Toledo, and the historic Jewish Quarter.
- Return to Madrid in the evening.

*Day 4: Madrid to Porto*
- Morning visit to the Reina Sofia Museum.
- Flight or train to Porto, Portugal.

### Day 5-7: Portugal (Porto and Surroundings)
*Day 5: Porto*
- Explore Ribeira District.
- Visit Livraria Lello and Clérigos Tower.
- Tour the Port wine cellars in Vila Nova de Gaia.

*Day 6: Porto*
- Visit the Porto Cathedral and Palácio da Bolsa.
- Take a Douro River cruise.
- Enjoy dinner at a riverside restaurant.

*Day 7: Day Trip to Douro Valley*
- Join a guided wine tour in the Douro Valley.
- Visit local vineyards and enjoy wine tasting.
- Return to Porto in the evening.

### Day 8-13: Ireland (Dublin, Mullingar, Galway)
*Day 8: Travel to Dublin*
- Flight from Porto to Dublin.
- Explore Dublin Castle and Trinity College.
- Visit the Book of Kells.

*Day 9: Dublin*
- Visit Guinness Storehouse and Jameson Distillery.
- Stroll through St. Stephen's Green and Grafton Street.

*Day 10: Day Trip to Mullingar*
- Travel to Mullingar (about 1 hour by train or car).
- Explore Belvedere House and Gardens.
- Visit Mullingar Cathedral and the local lakes.
- Return to Dublin in the evening.

*Day 11: Dublin to Galway*
- Travel to Galway.
- Explore Eyre Square and the Latin Quarter.

*Day 12: Galway*
- Visit the Aran Islands or Connemara National Park.

*Day 13: Galway to Dublin*
- Return to Dublin.
- Evening at Temple Bar.

### Day 14-16: Switzerland (Zurich and Surroundings)
*Day 14: Travel to Zurich*
- Flight from Dublin to Zurich.
- Explore Bahnhofstrasse and the Old Town.

*Day 15: Zurich*
- Visit the Swiss National Museum.
- Take a boat trip on Lake Zurich.
- Explore the Lindenhof district.

*Day 16: Day Trip to Lucerne*
- Take a train to Lucerne (about 1 hour).
- Visit the Chapel Bridge and the Lion Monument.
- Return to Zurich in the evening.

### Day 17-20: Switzerland (Interlaken and Surroundings)
*Day 17: Travel to Interlaken*
- Train from Zurich to Interlaken.
- Explore the town and its surroundings.

*Day 18: Interlaken*
- Visit Jungfraujoch, the "Top of Europe."
- Enjoy the views and activities in the area.

*Day 19: Day Trip to Zermatt*
- Take a train to Zermatt.
- Visit the Matterhorn and enjoy outdoor activities.
- Return to Interlaken in the evening.

*Day 20: Interlaken*
- Explore more of the Bernese Oberland region.
- Evening departure from Zurich.


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Re: Traveling to Europe for a month and need suggestions
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2024, 07:05:56 PM »
I mean, it REALLY depends what you like to do. For the destinations from the list that I've been to, I'd recommend:

Madrid:

1. Go to a Flamenco show! Very cool local experience.
2. Take the cable car up the mountain (I don't remember the name of it but it was fun).
3. Visit the royal palace.

Ireland:

1. DO NOT LEAVE THAT COUNTRY WITHOUT VISITING THE CLIFFS OF MOHER.
2. The cliff walk from Bray to Greystones is really nice weather-permitting.

Zurich:

1. I liked going to the Lindt factory. You can't actually go to where they make it (at least you couldn't when I was there), but you can smell it from several blocks away and but fresh chocolate.
2. There's a fairytale-gorgeous easy-ish hike accessible by tram called something like Uetliberg (not sure the spelling).
3. Vegelateria has the best ice cream on planet earth as far as I can tell, so go there.

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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2024, 08:44:43 PM »
I've been to Madrid a bunch of times and I am completely in love with the city.  Your itinerary looks great.  A couple suggestions:

The Grand Via is great, but it is a big busy street and stuff on the Grand Via is expensive and corporate.  Not my cup of tea.  If you venture a couple blocks off you can find some real gems. Calle de Fuencarral is fully pedestrian and lots of corporate stuff, but still some local gems and again if you go one or two blocks off you can find some gems. If you start at the Gran Via and walk up to essentially the end of Fuencarral you'll find  the Mercado de San Ildefonso.  It is a local market packed from top to bottom with great local food and drink options.  Super fun.   

If you like, from there you can take a stroll down Calle de los Reyes.  It is a dense warren of bars, shops and restaurants.  It doesn't really wake up until 10:00 pm.  When it does, you'll find everything from places that haven't changed since the time of Franco, to super hip cocktail bars and everything in between.  1862 Dry Bar is a personal fave.  It just feels like Madrid to me.

When you visit Plaza Mayor, hit up Mercado de San Miguel.  It is similar to Mercado de San Ildefonso but more traditional and again, super fun.  I love going around to all the different stalls and trying the all different food, wines and vermouth (Vermouth is huge in Madrid).  Just south of Plaza Mayor is an excellent area for tapas (basically the La Latina neighborhood)  Just keep walking and you'll find tons of great tapas bars.  Go left or right.  Follow your nose.   Really a fun way to spend the evening.

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2024, 09:54:13 PM »
Skip the Jungfraujoch.  Way overpriced and touristy.  And in high season, very crowded.  With shops.  Unless you've never seen snow, I suppose.

Much better in the Lauterbrunnen valley (one of my favorite places to be) is do some ridge walking.  Either up to or down from Piz Gloria on the Schilthorn, (more strenuous, but real ridges)  or Mannlichen (above Wengen) to Kleine Scheidegg.  Very easy walk.  Take most of the Jungfrau train back--but the cheap part.

2-year former Dubliner here.  So much to say about what to do in Ireland.  Highly recommend 2 years there.  :)

If you see the Book of Kells, either book ahead, or take a student-led campus tour.  The tour includes your ticket, so you can have an interesting prelude vs.  waiting in line.  I personally like it just for the Long Room, not the Book.  Take a look around the Long Room.  It's not just a Library; it's the Smithsonian, too.  There is a copy of the Irish declaration of independence, and THE Irish harp (Brian Boru's harp) among many other artifacts.

Grab a pint of Guiness at the Gravity Bar at the brewery.  Irish judge the quality of their pint by the distance of the pub to the brewery, so there is no fresher.

The busking on Grafton Street is top notch.  Dublin is a blast from the past retail-wise, with many books stores and record stores, even a real Tower Records on Dawson Street, one block over.

The restaurant scene is Dublin is bountiful.  I highly recommend KC Peaches for good eats, cheap, by Trinity.  (Assuming you don't mind fast casual, as opposed to sit down)

The Cliffs of Moher are spectacular, but hard to bet all-or-nothing on your time.  Any Irish site could be cloudy or fogged in.  Best bet is to diversify and enjoy the one that got the weather right.  I do like both the Aran Islands and Connemara, too.

If you are adventurous, you might try driving instead of taking the train.  I was scared to death to try right-hand drive, but it felt natural pretty quickly.  I still have my Irish driver's license.  DW tried it twice, and said "Nope."  If you do, take the slow way; avoid the motorways and take some A and B roads there.  Lots of curves, narrow paths, hedge rows, and country scenery.  Wait for a herd of sheep or cows to clear the road.  Stop at a little town's only pub for lunch.  Strike up a conversation with some strangers over a pint.  That is as much Ireland as any sight.  (They might comment on your accent, too)

Never been to Mullingar, but our go-to garden is Powerscourt.  Voted 3rd best in Europe, after Kew and Versailles.  Avoca runs concessions at many Irish historical sites.  They also have a few locations in Dublin, and are good fast-casual with a variety of choices.


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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2024, 10:21:55 PM »
This whirlwind would be the trip from hell for me, but to each his own. I would cut it down by at least half as many places and side trips. Spend 2-3 days in each place, not including travel days and get to know it better.

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2024, 10:40:49 PM »
This whirlwind would be the trip from hell for me, but to each his own. I would cut it down by at least half as many places and side trips. Spend 2-3 days in each place, not including travel days and get to know it better.
While I'm totally envious of the OP I agree. Spending a month in one country - especially one as large as Spain where I lived for a year - and eliminating all the travel days would offer a much better experience imho. Have you considered that OP? I spent a month in Ireland last year and it seemed like I barely scratched the surface of all there is to do and see there.

Also have you thought about using a rail pass? You can get them for individual countries or multiple counties (Eurail Pass). Prices vary but depend on number of days you choose to use them or if they are unlimited. I did a 3 month Eurail Pass once and it was a great way to get around and very easy. They also often include buses, ferrys, high speed trains, and discounts at some tourist sites. I'm not sure if you're travelling solo or not so that may make a difference on your destinations and cost.
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2024, 11:27:30 PM »
I think you should do Jungfraujoch - but take the very first train in the morning and consider spending the night prior in Lauterbrunnen, Grindelwald or Wengen (although the trains do go . I did this and it was super quiet as the tour buses don't arrive with the hoards til later in the morning. There were maybe 20 people up there for the first 45 mins and then as soon as the groups arrived, I left and still had plenty of time to explore Lauterbrunnen/Wengen/Interlaken. I also enjoyed Mannlichen and the walking trails around there are incredible.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2024, 01:43:59 AM »
Spain: be prepared for hot, like 90s-100s hot in August.

Porto:

There is no good train option to Porto from Madrid, you'll want to fly.

It will be a long wait to get into Livraria Lello, so plan on going early to get in line.

There is a very good photography museum near LL, in the old prison, if that's of interest.

We did the tour at Ferreiras port winery and it was quite good. Can also recommend the Piano tasting room in VNdG for all their wines, not just port.

I probably wouldn't bother with a river cruise and a Douro valley tour- just walk up and down the riverside on either side. We walked several miles upstream and there wasn't a whole lot to see. Downstream we walked to the beach, then took the tram back. But we were there for a week...and I agree with the others that this itinerary is A LOT. You will be spending a ton of time on transfers and sacrificing time to explore the destination. And if there are any delays along the way...ooof.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2024, 01:46:39 AM »
Get yourself a European SIM card for your phone, but be aware that it won't function in Switzerland, and data in Switzerland is expensive!! Our provider blocked Switzerland completely; even after we'd given permission, we just couldn't use the 4G network.

How long would you like to spend at the Prado museum in Madrid? It's free entry between 6pm and 8pm on weekdays, and between 5pm and 7pm at the weekend: https://www.museodelprado.es/en/visit/opening-times-and-prices. I'm not sure if you have to (or even can) book a timeslot or have to wait in line for the free tickets. But with your travel scheme, I think you'd probably prefer to book a full-price ticket in advance.

You don't say which country you're travelling from, but be aware that opening times for shops and restaurants may be different to what you're used to.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2024, 05:11:33 AM »
For Livraria Lello you may need to buy a ticket online and for a certain time slot.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2024, 06:50:10 AM »
Did chat gpt write your itinerary for you?

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2024, 09:21:41 AM »
Not a frequent European traveler, but we just got back from a week in Napoli. (Work trip with a few extra days, wife joined along). 
Originally, we had planned to add in a day or two in Rome, then a few days in the end on the Amalfi coast, but we stayed in Napoli the whole time (after a 1/2 day in Rome just to see the highlights after our flight landed there) and were glad we did.  Not so much that Napoli is the best place in Italy (it's probably not even close), but we actually got to really get to know it and appreciate it, vs buzzing from one destination to another.  That also left open time to just relax, explore at our own pace, etc. 
We used to put together itineraries like yours for all of our trips, but we've since slowed down and our travel has been much more enjoyable.  Deeper experiences in fewer places.  This goes for our trips stateside as well.

We haven't been to most of your listed locations, but we did really enjoy Lucerne, a few days there would be well spent.  Take the  tram up Mt Pilatus, then hike back down if you're able. 

Happy travelling!


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Re: Traveling to Europe for a month and need suggestions
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2024, 11:10:59 AM »
This whirlwind would be the trip from hell for me, but to each his own. I would cut it down by at least half as many places and side trips. Spend 2-3 days in each place, not including travel days and get to know it better.

+1. Pre-pandemic I did two weeks split between Madrid and Lisbon (with side trips).  I could easily have spent a month only scratching the surface of these two countries.  Adding in Switzerland and Ireland would be my nightmare.  YMMV.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2024, 05:20:51 PM »
This whirlwind would be the trip from hell for me, but to each his own. I would cut it down by at least half as many places and side trips. Spend 2-3 days in each place, not including travel days and get to know it better.

+1. Pre-pandemic I did two weeks split between Madrid and Lisbon (with side trips).  I could easily have spent a month only scratching the surface of these two countries.  Adding in Switzerland and Ireland would be my nightmare.  YMMV.
I thought it was an odd itinerary especially since the OP is flying into and out of Madrid. But maybe there is family or travel companion reasons to include the other locations. If I were flying into and out of Spain It just travel around Spain and maybe Portugal and S. France. Visit Andorra,  the Costa Brava (Barcelona is great) and those island off the coast (will be slammed with North european tourist everywhere though) and save Ireland et al for another time. And maybe go in Sept instead. Maybe the OP will come back to the thread to enlighten us why that particular itinerary.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2024, 05:53:03 PM »
I hate/do not do well in the heat, so if it were me I would save the Spain parts for the end of the trip when maybe it will start to cool down just a little bit? 

Also agree on not trying to go too many places/pack too much stuff in to a month.  Running around from place to place is my idea of hell.  I'd spend the whole month in Ireland or Switzerland with a few days in Spain at the end if it was me.  Go back to Spain in the shoulder seasons on a different trip when it isn't so damn hot.

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2024, 09:40:53 PM »
busy day today but thank you everyone for your thoughts and sugestions.  yes the challenge is to try to not do too much but im also rarely in that neck of the woods so want to accomplish as much as is reasonable. 

keep the suggestions coming!  i value everyone's experience and opinion / perspective

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2024, 08:55:20 AM »
I hate/do not do well in the heat, so if it were me I would save the Spain parts for the end of the trip when maybe it will start to cool down just a little bit? 

Also agree on not trying to go too many places/pack too much stuff in to a month.  Running around from place to place is my idea of hell.  I'd spend the whole month in Ireland or Switzerland with a few days in Spain at the end if it was me.  Go back to Spain in the shoulder seasons on a different trip when it isn't so damn hot.
Yes this! If you arent a heat lover - especially if you are away from the coasts - it can be very hot everywhere in Spain in summer. Also, as I mentioned above,  it is one of the most popular vacation destinations for Northern Europeans and can be very very crowded. And more expensive then normal. So finding lodging and visiting tour sites might be difficult.

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Re: Traveling to Europe for a month and need suggestions
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2024, 11:32:23 AM »
busy day today but thank you everyone for your thoughts and sugestions.  yes the challenge is to try to not do too much but im also rarely in that neck of the woods so want to accomplish as much as is reasonable. 

keep the suggestions coming!  i value everyone's experience and opinion / perspective

I'm curious as to how you define "accomplish as much as is reasonable."  For some people, checking off a number of countries or regions would meet that definition.  For others, it means not just seeing the "greatest hits" of each area. 

Like others have expressed, this sounds like a hellacious itinerary to me.  But that's because I have the fondest memories of Tomar, Batalha, and Nerja in Portugal.  Or the Zaragoza area, Granada, and Barcelona in Spain.  Or pretty much any danged where in Ireland.  Even places within the same country were often notably different in climate, food, general culture, and interactions with tourists.

At a minimum, I would cut out one of the countries of your trip and do more in the other areas.  You'll have more time (and money!) to appreciate not just the sites, but cultures of each area.

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2024, 02:29:06 PM »
My suggestion would be to not visit so many places. That's a very fast pace even for a week or two let alone a month. I think you could spend a month in Spain and maybe Portugal and have a great trip.

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2024, 06:14:26 AM »
I can only comment on the Switzerland part (and even then, only briefly). I thought Lauterbrunnen was one of the most beautiful places I have ever seen. Fantasyland beautiful, like it wasn’t even real. Watching the waterfalls cascade from the top of the valley in the moonlight after spending the night with a special someone was certainly a memory I’ll never forget (your experience may vary haha).

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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2024, 11:30:53 AM »
Same, same on Lauterbrunnen.  Almost didn't seem real.   

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2024, 08:15:41 AM »
My wife and I visited Spain last fall. We stayed for an entire month in Madrid. Then another month visiting Andalusia. We like slow travel and usually there for the culture, food and the experience.

Madrid is one impressive city. So well run. Their metro (the subway) is impressive. We managed to get a monthly pass each and it was worth it. Madrid can be boring to some. Yeah the museums are nice. The mercados for fresh veggies and fruit were impressive. You can take day trips to Toledo, Segovia (loved it), and Salamanca. A flamenco show was definitely worth it. We went to a musical show (in Spanish that we didn't understand) but loved the show nevertheless. A whole lot of walking exploring the different neighborhoods and cafes was nice too. Their tapas were so good. We found a bar/restaurant in the neighborhood were we stayed and the bar tender (likely a co-owner) was so friendly and enjoyed chatting with him. So we went back for 5-6 times. The Vermuth was so good. Took a couple of tours. One of them was a tapas crawl and learned a lot and enjoyed it.

In Andalusia, over a month period, we visited Cadiz, Sevilla, Granada and Cordoba. Cadiz was a big surprise and liked. However we loved Granada and Alahambra the most. Took a private tour of it with a very competent guide and stayed in a UNESCO neighborhood called Albacin. That neighborhood is an experience all by itself. The Airbnb had a roof terrace that overlooked Alahambra, so was extra lovely. The ethnic markets and restaurants in the old part of town were a really nice surprise and enjoyed all the different food.

Overall, Spain was a nice visit. However we did it in October and November and the weather was perfect. I like warm weather but their July/August can be too hot. I think our total mileage walking was 320 miles over 2 months. So walking is what we do, and having decent weather goes a long way.

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2024, 09:10:26 AM »
Skip Switzerland, do Germany & Italy instead. Yr welcome.

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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2024, 01:49:03 PM »
In Dublin, drop the Guinness tour - pretty touristy, not worth the cost in my view.   Take a tour of the main cemetery in Dublin (name escapes me at the moment) - some fascinating stories there. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2024, 08:13:15 AM »
Picking those four countries seems random, what's the reason for that? They are pretty far from each other. Why not travel to others nearby, and avoid so much transit? Or if you have to go to Ireland take a train through france/england or something, and a ferry over.  Especially Switzerland seems very inconvenient and out of place in this itinerary.
Also, just from the list it seems like almost everything is extremely "touristy". Not much time to explore other areas, which at least to me is the more interesting part. Rushing around just to take an insta selfie in front of the hits is not enjoyable to me..
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2024, 09:51:15 AM »
Picking those four countries seems random, what's the reason for that? They are pretty far from each other. Why not travel to others nearby, and avoid so much transit? Or if you have to go to Ireland take a train through france/england or something, and a ferry over.  Especially Switzerland seems very inconvenient and out of place in this itinerary.
Also, just from the list it seems like almost everything is extremely "touristy". Not much time to explore other areas, which at least to me is the more interesting part. Rushing around just to take an insta selfie in front of the hits is not enjoyable to me..
I think the OP is already gone since they said travelling in Aug. Im hoping they come back to the their thread with an update but I don't think they ever responded to any of the questions asked upthread.

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2024, 07:21:13 PM »
Well, maybe the OP doesn't care but I learned a lot!
I'll be sure to post here for help when  I finally get to do some slow travel in Europe.

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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2024, 08:31:32 AM »
Picking those four countries seems random, what's the reason for that? They are pretty far from each other. Why not travel to others nearby, and avoid so much transit? Or if you have to go to Ireland take a train through france/england or something, and a ferry over.  Especially Switzerland seems very inconvenient and out of place in this itinerary.
Also, just from the list it seems like almost everything is extremely "touristy". Not much time to explore other areas, which at least to me is the more interesting part. Rushing around just to take an insta selfie in front of the hits is not enjoyable to me..
I think the OP is already gone since they said travelling in Aug. Im hoping they come back to the their thread with an update but I don't think they ever responded to any of the questions asked upthread.

ops yeah I missed that. Guess I thought it was next august :D Hoping for an update too. That's certainly an ambitious itinerary

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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2024, 08:07:54 AM »
Please! Post an update when you return and let us know what you would do differently!

My spouse and I do a mix of quick visits (2-3 nights) and longer stays (1 week).  We rarely stay anywhere longer than a week, just our preference.  It's tricky to balance the "hassle days" of moving luggage, checking in/out, train or bus or whatever journeys to the next destination, with the desire to see lots of places. 

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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2024, 01:47:40 PM »
We've been traveling around Tuscany and one of my favorite places has been the Fortress of Girifalco, which is perched above Cortona, Italy. 


Not only is the fortress an amazing structure with a beautiful view, but it also houses an art exhibit. 







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