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jluntp

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Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« on: September 24, 2014, 07:03:52 PM »
We've just been assigned orders for South Korea and are pretty excited for this opportunity to live abroad. We're also REALLY new to this whole Mustachian world - although we've been living somewhat like one for quite awhile now. We're working on our Command Sponsorship Packet right now (won't know if it'll get approved for at least three more months - but I'd like to be prepared). I'm mostly concerned about two areas since I feel like I could wing-it with everything else and still end up on top.

1.Phone/Internet options? Our contracts are ending for both in a couple months and while we don't have a lot of say in how much we pay for internet (just negotiating/threatening to cancel with the sole provider out here) we were hoping to switch to prepaid services for our phones. I've been looking into Republic Wireless, but would this be a good option to have while in Korea? Or would it be better to use a local Korean service? Obviously we'd be able to call home for free on Wifi, but would we be able to use it in country if we needed to call places on post/friends in Korea/Chain of Command?

2.Car/Bike options? We're pretty much set on ditching our vehicles here at our current Duty Station (they're both winter rats we bought used up here, and we can get the most resale value out of them if we sell them here as well). So we're looking at options for buying used over there. We've heard that you can get really great deals from those leaving Korea. True? Better option somewhere else? Also how's the biking community/option? We'd be at Humphrey's and have heard the nearest city is more of a rural setting than an actual city. We'll have two small children - 6month-old and a 2-year old - with us while we're there (something to keep in mind).

Any advice we can get would be great! We're looking at this as another money-saving opportunity and really want to maximize it any way we can!

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2014, 07:33:41 PM »
Wait to get internet/phone there. Wait to make a car/bike decision there. It will be harder with kids than without, but that is true in the US too. There's no need to buy before you go. Good luck & have a great tour!

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2014, 07:40:15 PM »
You may have to get a Korean phone over there.  Phone towers in Japan use different frequencies than the towers in the US, and I believe Korea is the same way.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2014, 10:41:40 PM »
My wife has RW and it worked great while she was visiting there earlier this year.  She could call back to the states and we could call her, no problem, just have to be on wifi. Since you cant use cell service abroad, we switched to the 5$ plan while she was there.  Dont know if youd want to go with that long term as you cant use it without wifi.  Also you cant use it to call in korea, only back to the states.

Cant leave Korea with a car title in your name so there was a practice of hand me down cars ($500 was standard back in '01).  YMMV on that one.  The whole country has public transportation.  If i remember right, youd have to bus out of Humphreys. Take the local if youre brave or use the post bus.  In seoul, you can get to pretty much anywhere by subway.
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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2014, 11:02:21 PM »
There's no need to own a car in Korea.  Public transportation is great, and probably a lot safer too.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2014, 05:32:13 AM »
I'm currently stationed in Korea.

1. For phone options, the general expensive ones are around $110/mo each. If you go prepaid, which is what I do, then it's much less. I chose to go with SK Telecom, and I bought a used phone. It was $20 for the phone and initial activation, then each month you pay another $10. With that, you get 500 texts and 90 min of voice call. (Disadvantage: if you don't use the time/texts, you still pay every month. Advantage: in Korea, incoming calls and texts are not charged to your phone. So you could forget to recharge the minutes and still receive phone calls. I do this literally every month.) You can also add more cards to it at the same time, to include US calling options. As for me, I use Skype or Facebook Chat to call home, as they are completely free.

2. If you are going to live off post, you can buy cars for under $1000 easily. They aren't necessary where I live, but you will be living further south due to some changes happening with USFK. I don't know how those places are, but seeing as you're command sponsored, I'm assuming you'll be around more than a year. For that, a car will be useful, though again, not required. Bikes are really cheap from soldiers who are pcsing and need to pawn off their stuff quick. You can get really nice ones for $100 most days. This usually includes a lock and helmet, and all the requisite gear the military requires. (Just read you're going to Humphreys) Ok, so that changes something in transport. I would definitely get a car, but you should realize life is going to be fucking great down there. I wish to God and all things Army HR that I was stationed down there. It's an amazing post, and it's only getting better. I'll be helping to move my brigade down there next year at some point, but won't get to experience it for long. Any way, on post transport is readily available through free public buses and cheap taxi services. Off post, trains and buses are extremely cheap and there's a great system for using them (T-money cards). If you live on post, a car is not necessary at all and I don't recommend one. Off post, I would recommend one, especially if you plan on traveling and don't want to deal with bus/train schedules. Why not get over here and decide after a few weeks? There's always people leaving, and if there's a low supply in Humphrey's of cars, you can always hop a train to another post and buy from soldiers there. Up where I am on Casey, a lot of people are always leaving, and I regularly see vehicles for $800 to $1200. (Also note: gas is much more expensive here from what I've seen.)

Hope all that was helpful! Any more questions I can help with, feel free to PM me.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2014, 07:35:23 AM »
There's no need to own a car in Korea.  Public transportation is great, and probably a lot safer too.

I used to joke that the bus drivers must have to fail a psychiatric exam to drive.  I'm sure they probably are safer, but I used to ride them in Seoul a lot and always found it amusing when they would U-turn across 6 lanes of traffic.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2014, 07:44:23 AM »
It all depends on where your housing is.  Some bases have off post housing only so you will really need a car but as others have said they are very cheap.  A friend tried to get by with public transportation and it would take and extra hour.  Internet used to be $60 a month but I would sell my wifi password (changed it monthly) and usually walked away with an extra $40 after the bill.   

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2014, 06:58:51 AM »
Living off post doesn't mean you must have a car. You can choose a place near public transportation. You can carry groceries in backpacks. You can get a bike. 

Having a car overseas is an annoyance. The driving laws are different. Parking can be troublesome. Getting lost is easy. Gas is expensive. When you leave, getting rid of the car is one more hassle to deal with during your trans-Pacific household move which is already a hassle enough.

Traveling by public transportation is just so much easier. It is also cheaper. My experience of living overseas was that being car free was the luxury. When you have to pay more to do the less luxurious thing, why do it?

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2014, 11:11:01 AM »
Any advice we can get would be great! We're looking at this as another money-saving opportunity and really want to maximize it any way we can!
Hopefully your new command has assigned you a sponsor who can help answer these questions.  Ideally both the command and the base would have websites and Facebook pages with FAQs that will cover the issues and most of the solutions.

In addition to Michael's excellent advice, see what you can find on other Facebook groups for that area/base.  (Search for keywords like the base/command names and "Korea".)  It's a surprisingly easy way to connect with the families on the base who will be all too happy to help you avoid their own newbie mistakes.

I'd also suggest downsizing as much as you can before you transfer (because your housing may be smaller), and avoid displays of valuables/wealth.  Document all of your possessions with sales receipts, video/photos, and online backups for personal-property insurance.  I've read a number of complaints about the ROK moving company employees who were "just putting this in our car for the trip back to the warehouse so that we can pack it better".  To be fair, I've encountered at least that many complaints with U.S. moving company employees as well.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2014, 07:33:30 PM »
For phone options, the general expensive ones are around $110/mo each. If you go prepaid, which is what I do, then it's much less.

Thanks for being able to run some numbers by me - these made me relax A LOT. I've been able to talk with several families here about what their life was like over there and while they all said the same thing "we saved so much money," whenever I'd actually dig for concrete numbers I was finding they were still paying the $110/mo for phones and what not. We don't even pay that much now! So as you can imagine I was getting a bit nervous about what our options would actually be.


Also thank-you so much for ALL your responses! It's slow moving over here with waiting on all the paperwork we have to do. I'll probably be messaging some of you in the future (if that's ok) once things get more concrete with our command sponsorship.

So glad I joined this forum :)

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2014, 07:57:30 PM »
Cell phones are an area where you can pay a lot overseas. If you are using your phone instead of Skype to make international calls, the costs can get very high and make comprehensive unlimited international $110-$150/mo plans be a good deal. But only if you are unable to get the people you want to talk to regularly on Skype or other free services.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 02:45:09 AM »
For phone options, the general expensive ones are around $110/mo each. If you go prepaid, which is what I do, then it's much less.

Thanks for being able to run some numbers by me - these made me relax A LOT. I've been able to talk with several families here about what their life was like over there and while they all said the same thing "we saved so much money," whenever I'd actually dig for concrete numbers I was finding they were still paying the $110/mo for phones and what not. We don't even pay that much now! So as you can imagine I was getting a bit nervous about what our options would actually be.


Also thank-you so much for ALL your responses! It's slow moving over here with waiting on all the paperwork we have to do. I'll probably be messaging some of you in the future (if that's ok) once things get more concrete with our command sponsorship.

So glad I joined this forum :)

Yeah, the number on the phone is generally people who aren't paying upfront for the phone. A couple guys I know spend about $40 or $50 a month for their smartphone, but they paid for the phone upfront.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 07:23:26 AM »
You're probably eligible for the Savings Deposit Program.  With this you deposit up to $10k while deployed, and earn 10% on it annually.  You won't find a guaranteed return better than that anywhere.  Ask your pay clerks for more info.

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Re: Looking for Military Mustachian Advice while stationed in Korea
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 08:07:54 AM »
Korea isn't a deployment for most people. Since they're doing command sponsored, they're pcsing, which is treated almost exactly like being stationed at home. Hell, down at Humphreys they don't even get hazard pay.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!