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Today, some people called off their long drive in to work due to freezing rain and took the day off. On snow days, many others will be late (traffic!). It's no business or concern of mine (if anything, just makes me look good because my bike is so reliable!), but I thought this might be an interesting forum topic, so have at it. Is it ethical? Sensible choice to stay home in bad weather if you already set yourself up with a clown commute? What about if you work for government like I do, where there is no such leave as "bad weather", so to take these days off you'd have to do it unofficially and perhaps make up the time another day to preserve goodwill?  Curious to hear your thoughts.

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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2014, 04:07:13 PM »
Safety is very important in the private sector these days, and for most of us in the office getting to and from work is the most dangerous part of our day. Our company recognizes this and reducing traffic risk is important to them. They send us home early, or have no problems with us not coming in for a day in bad weather. We have had several days in the last few years when the city has issued an advisory to stay off the roads - so emergency vehicules can get around.

We can work as much as we can that day from home, or take the time from our banked/vacation/without pay or make it up at a later date. It's definitely not covered by the company, but it is accepted practice.

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2014, 04:10:24 PM »
This is me, and I don't apologize. If I think it's unsafe, I cancel class. This means I'm not asking my students, some of whom drive as far as I do in far less reliable vehicles, to attempt the trip in bad weather.


I've actually never cancelled a class that wasn't cancelled later by the closing of the whole college, so my instincts for what's safe over the mountains seem to match those of the powers-that-be. Also, I continue classes online, and by three or four weeks in, I have all of my students comfortable enough with our online systems that they can participate as long as they have power and/ or smartphones (any who tell me their power was out, etc. are given time to make up work later).


I won't do anyone any good dead in a ravine, and I don't think it's my place to ask students to put themselves at risk.

Editing to add that if I ever do cancel class without the whole college closing, I'll need to take it from sick time (which is the only "leave" time professors get at my place).
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 04:32:29 PM »
I find those that don't show or come in ridiculously late after snow/sleet/adverse weather to have poor work ethic and dislike the BS they pull getting paid days off for it without using vacation days. I'm not part of the club that gets those sort of luxuries, and I don't want to be part of that club if membership requires being a slacker. If you set yourself up for a longer or more difficult commute you should take adequate measures to be certain you can always get to work (leave early enough, have appropriate vehicle for the weather, etc.). If I can never be late or miss work for vehicle or weather related issues with my cheap 40 year old junk then surely they can do it with their $30k-$70k vehicle(s).

In heavy snow/sleet/blizzard conditions I get to work early. I enjoy driving in heavy snow on unplowed roads, the sights and sounds are nice and the experience pleasant. I also enjoy stopping to assist other less careful or unprepared drivers by pulling them out of ditches, digging out their cars, and in general unstucking them. I don't ask for money when I do, but I won't turn it down if they offer.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 04:36:59 PM »
I'm very supportive of people doing what they need to do, whether it be taking the day off, coming in late, working from home.  Though I don't need that kind of flexibility, because I live close to work and can always catch the bus, I appreciate other kinds of flexibility (e.g., kid is sick), so I think it's only fair that I support others.  At the end of the day, it's only work, and most of us do not work in jobs where people will die if we don't show up.  If you do have that kind of job, then you have a responsibility for being able to get there regardless of weather.

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2014, 04:42:22 PM »
I work in an industry that never closes and an area that was never built to handle even tiny amounts of ice.  There is an plan for those rare occasions where ice or snow happen.
IF the weather looks likely too bad then staff that are nonessential stay home or get sent home.  Essential staff on duty remain on duty until relieved.  Relief staff are encouraged to make arrangements to stay nearby.  The company will also send  busses out to pick up staff if necessary.
It's only happened 3 times in the last 20 years, but we all pull together as a team and each of us does what we're able.
No one seemed to feel it was unethical.  Everyone pulled together.  Some people had to stay home and others had to stay at work.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2014, 05:01:15 PM »
Ultimately, people can choose to use their time off however they want.  So, if they want to use those hours to stay home from work in bad weather, that's fine - I have no problem with that. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2014, 05:03:56 PM »
I have the flexibility where I can work from home if it is snowy or icy. I am working from home tomorrow since it is xmas eve instead of going in office and it was my boss who said I can work from home, I didn't ask.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2014, 05:54:07 PM »
Police, fire, EMS, and road crews want you to stay home. It makes their job a lot easier. If your presence is critically important, plan ahead. Stay in a hotel, sleep at work, etc. I work at a hospital which requires nurses and doctors to be here regardless of weather. They arrange beds to sleep in, pay extra, etc. It really just depends on your job responsibilities as to whether it's ethical to call in due to weather. 

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2014, 06:34:04 AM »
With respect, I think your status as a federal employee really comes through in that attitude. As a consultant for a private sector company, when I need to stay home or leave early, I suffer the consequences for it. I have clients and deliverables that need to be done. If they don't get done, people notice and I would be out of a job pretty quickly. Having an unscheduled day off due to whatever usually just means I'm in the office on a weekend or pulling an all nighter.
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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2014, 06:38:21 AM »
I have a short commute, so I usually go in.  There were a couple of very bad snowstorms last year, where I worked from home, mostly because if I spent 8 hours at work, the snowplows would completely block access to my driveway.  So I'd have to park on the street while spending two or three hours shoveling out the driveway, thus getting in the way of snowplows and breaking the law. 

I get as much, if not more, done while working from home, so it's not a big deal. 

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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2014, 06:44:44 AM »
I live in the Boston area and I typically work remotely on days where the weather is icky.  I have a long public transit commute which is not immune to bad weather.  I've actually found that trying to get to and from work during bad snow at least doubles my commute.  If I chose not to work remotely, then I take the day off.  I wonder about a job where you'd be allowed to call out (for any reason) without taking some sort of sick/paid leave. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2014, 06:51:26 AM »
Working a job is a marathon, whether you retire at 35 or 55.
It's not worth risking your safety over one day of bad weather.
the world isn't ending for people missing one day of work.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2014, 06:53:20 AM »
I didn't go to university and get a difficult degree to be on the clock punching a time card. This has nothing to do with work-ethic. Since when does not coming into the office mean not working? I actually work from home 95% of the time - it's not about time spent in the office, it's about getting your work done. I'm way more productive from home than at the office.

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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2014, 06:58:11 AM »
It's not really unsafe to be on the road when conditions are poor.

It's unsafe to drive like an idiot.  If road conditions are bad, you proceed more carefully and leave more time to get to your destination.  You equip your vehicle ahead of time with suitable equipment for the weather (snow tires, working windscreen wipers, windshield washer fluid, etc).

People are told to stay off the road because the police, fire, and EMS guys assume that you will be an idiot.

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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2014, 07:05:30 AM »
I work for a company that is pretty flexible about hours, but if you come in late, you are expected to stay late or take vacation time.

I am the only member of my team who works in my location though, and there are often days (usually preceding holidays) where no member of my team is in their office. We'll all get emails like "it was going to be pretty quiet in the office, so I'm working at home today".  I always feel like a sucker for coming in, but then I realize my drive is about 10 minutes long, and they- in New York, Chicago, and DC have significantly longer commutes to get to the office. So I don't mind coming in.


But if snow is forecasted, I take my work home so I have the option of staying home if I need to.

Today there are 2 of us in the office. I'm not sure how many people are on vacation vs. working at home, but it sure is empty here.

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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2014, 07:08:48 AM »
It's not really unsafe to be on the road when conditions are poor.



This all depends on where you are. Here, there are no plows, usually no salt (sand is used until it runs out, which is quickly) and no snow tires or chains for sale. Also we get ice more frequently than snow, and usually ice before the snow when we do get snow. Add to that switchbacks and steep mountain passes, and you get I stay home a couple of days a year, as does everyone else.


Also, if I were to slip off one of those switchbacks and be injured too badly to hike out of the forest, I'd freeze to death or starve before I was found. The potential downsides are grim.

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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2014, 07:14:17 AM »
Hmmmm, I have never heard of just getting free time off for weather related choices to stay home.  I have chosen to stay home before, but I have to take the time as personal time.   I work in Boston, and once or twice a year, the company cancels work outright if there is a bad snow storm, which is considered > 1 - 1.5 feet.  Otherwise, you suck up the bad commute and come in to work.  We have flex hours, so if you get into work late, you stay late. 


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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2014, 07:39:12 AM »
I can work from home 100% of the time when my employer allows it and I wonder why some still don't. I have worked many years from home for smaller companies. Now I work for a bigger one and they require presence at the office but will make exceptions for different reasons(doctor appt., weather, family stuff).
I'd be willing to work for them for 10-20% less if they let me work from home but in big companies rules are rules and the person that tries to cut back on expenses is not the same as the one that makes those rules.

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2014, 07:53:15 AM »
With respect, I think your status as a federal employee really comes through in that attitude. As a consultant for a private sector company, when I need to stay home or leave early, I suffer the consequences for it. I have clients and deliverables that need to be done. If they don't get done, people notice and I would be out of a job pretty quickly. Having an unscheduled day off due to whatever usually just means I'm in the office on a weekend or pulling an all nighter.

OP didn't say she was a federal employee (just that she works in government, presumably somewhere in Canada which could include state/municipal government). Further, I think she essentially agreed with you. She said they have no official leave policy for bad weather, and have to make it up to preserve goodwill. That is, they don't all get a paid vacation to stay home.

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2014, 08:20:24 AM »
I am a government employee and almost everyone in my office is set up to telework. So on a bad weather day, everyone can continue to work at home...so it is not really a big deal at all.  With all the technology available this really shouldn't be an issue (depending on your work).  If you don't want to commute and your kids aren't in school (making working at home virtually impossible) the you need to use vacation time.  Living in cold weather climate with frequent bad weather though, most people just plan accordingly and get to work (since we almost all have massive farm vehicles with 4 wheel drive)! LOL! 

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« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2014, 08:43:13 AM »
I live in a state that is not well prepared for poor weather. If it snows, it will 48 hours until I can safely get off my street and drive to work. The highway is always littered with the vehicles of morons who tried to get to work. This is extremely costly for the drivers and for the city as they have to send out emergency crews to rescue these people and tow their vehicles. And of course, those people are there, impeding the progress of the limited number of snowplows.

Winter is busy season for me, so I don't have the luxury of just calling in. The work needs to be done. I keep an eye on the weather and prepare in advance to work from home. If I don't, then I'll be making up the time on the weekend. It happens 2-3 times per year. Generally, hardly anyone is at the office, because school tends to get cancelled and all the parents stay home, anyway.

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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2014, 09:12:02 AM »
I want my colleagues to be safe, but it pisses me off that at least one of them takes an extra 10 days off a year because she or he chose to build a McMansion in the boonies.

It reminds me of the old days, when smokers would get multiple breaks a day, but people looked at me funny if I said I wanted to take five minutes off to stand outside and fart.

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2014, 09:20:53 AM »
I live 4 miles from work. I still take my laptop home if its going to snow the next day. Some people know I live nearby. Others don't. I don't care. To me I gauge the culture of the office and follow it. If its a place where you must show up or people will talk about you or put you on the naughty list then I put in my best effort to get there. If its relaxed and the people in the boonies work from home then I will work from home too regardless of where I live.

In my opinion the less people on the road the better. A lot of my friends work in service industries where you must go to work. I'm leaving the roads open for them while I work at home in my bathrobe with my cat. Even though I'm close to work they don't plow the roads downtown. They just hope it will melt so it can be just as bad, if not worse, than driving on the highway after snow.

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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2014, 09:32:38 AM »
We are 5 miles from the office (DH and I work for the same company) I can work from home, DH cannot. We have a school aged child...and a daycare that is not the most conveniently located but has the structure we require for keeping him focused and on-task. If school is closed I attempt to work from home and make up necessary time as helping DS into snowboots and making hot chocolate are not part of my paid job description. If he has school, we go to work. DH also has a bad back, so I do the shoveling. We both have coworkers who live a ways out. One is a farmer who works in the city mainly for the benefits. The frustrating part is when people call off before there's even a flake in the air.

ETA: DH always goes into work. Our site has a unit where patients are seen, and while we are not working directly with patients the site does not close. Otherwise, they leave it up to employees to determine what is safe and what isn't.
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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2014, 10:20:37 AM »
My office will sent out alerts to all employees and tell us to work from home (or just stay home with no subtraction from PTO) if the weather is bad. We can also request to work from home if our particular area is experiencing anything unusual. Or just plain take a PTO day with no repercussions.

I live in a bedroom community outside of a major city, about 17 miles from work, and there are many coworkers that live much further out and the traffic is horrendous - so I appreciate that my work takes the safety of its employees into consideration.




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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2014, 10:32:44 AM »
Depending on where you live and how bad the weather is, I would go so far as to say that it is often unethical not to stay home.

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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2014, 10:37:15 AM »
I bail at the first snowflake. Just because I know how to drive/bike in it doesn't mean I enjoy being stuck watching the idiots struggle and block everybody else.

If there's a big storm announced for rush hour, I will also leave early.

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« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2014, 11:03:33 AM »
I want my colleagues to be safe, but it pisses me off that at least one of them takes an extra 10 days off a year because she or he chose to build a McMansion in the boonies.

It reminds me of the old days, when smokers would get multiple breaks a day, but people looked at me funny if I said I wanted to take five minutes off to stand outside and fart.

Ha ha, I feel you.

I have one of those jobs where I have to physically be on site. We were recently having a contract negotiation and I suggested it would be nice to get extra pay for coming in on inclement weather days (when other workers don't have to come in). I don't mind coming in because I can walk but usually they just cut my hours later in the week so I get a random day off but it feels a little thankless to not get anything extra out of being the only person who can reliably come in. (Everyone else in the department lives in another borough, which in nyc is legitimate and not the equivalent of living in the boonies.) One of the other workers was like, 'Heck, yeah, I'd come in if they paid extra.' I dunno, it felt weird and made me sorry I'd asked.

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« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2014, 12:24:00 PM »
Hmmmm, I have never heard of just getting free time off for weather related choices to stay home.  I have chosen to stay home before, but I have to take the time as personal time.   I work in Boston, and once or twice a year, the company cancels work outright if there is a bad snow storm, which is considered > 1 - 1.5 feet.  Otherwise, you suck up the bad commute and come in to work.  We have flex hours, so if you get into work late, you stay late.

Same.
Options are:
- Work is canceled, everyone stays home.
- Work is not canceled, you must come in or take the time off with vacation.  If you come in late, you must make it up or use vacation.

Of course, because we are able telecommute for the odd issue (e.g. plumber coming in), then I feel guilty if I don't do some work even on a day when work is canceled for weather.  So I usually do a few hours in my comfy clothes.

I am a government employee and almost everyone in my office is set up to telework. So on a bad weather day, everyone can continue to work at home...so it is not really a big deal at all.  With all the technology available this really shouldn't be an issue (depending on your work).  If you don't want to commute and your kids aren't in school (making working at home virtually impossible) the you need to use vacation time.  Living in cold weather climate with frequent bad weather though, most people just plan accordingly and get to work (since we almost all have massive farm vehicles with 4 wheel drive)! LOL! 

My only issue is regarding the idea that you might have different treatment for parents.  That doesn't sit right with me.  If you have daycare issues but are expected to be in, then I feel you have to take a vacation day or go unpaid.

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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2014, 12:53:38 PM »
Recently in California we experienced a major storm.  My manager strongly urged my team to be safe, and work from home.  Now this was a first for me.  However, I work in Silicon Valley and I know many professionals (beyond tech) often work remotely and/or they are not tied to ass-in-seat requirements, provided they accurately complete all of their projects meeting deadlines and without incurring extra costs to the company.  That said, I don't feel anyone should be shunned, mocked or put down merely because they live far from work.  None of us know the specifics for their situation and I feel the same empathy applies if they are unable to commute into work due to hazards like mud slides, flooding or other forms of extreme weather.  Barring extreme weather that makes driving genuinely unsafe, I feel employees should come into work physically unless their team/company encourages telecommuting.  It does not bother me that most of my coworkers live at least 50 miles away from work but they regularly come into work and our deadlines are met.  YMMV.   

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« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2014, 09:40:31 AM »
I'm a lineman so I don't have a choice lol. I live less than a half mile from work so no problems for me to get to work. I know i would like to see more people stay home when it's crappy out. I have enough to deal with in bad weather I don't need you sliding through my job site.

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« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2014, 10:57:13 AM »
My H's job just shuts down the whole site if it's bad out. Most people can telework. They are huge on safety, and accidents while driving to work are a recordable safety incident.

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« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2014, 11:06:05 AM »

Everyone needs different accommodations at times. If someone has a "clown" commute my guess is that they have a family and need to live where homes are less expensive. Others need to take a day off to get their cat to the vet. Employment needs to be flexible.

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« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2014, 11:35:24 AM »
I think this depends a great deal on the employer and he work being done, but in general, I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect an employee to either use vacation time or make up the missed time in some way.  That's what I'd expect to have to do if I missed work for any reason, weather or otherwise, unless my employer was the one telling people not to come in. 

And as a manager, I'd make it clear that while I was okay with people needing to take the time in order to be safe (assuming the kind of work we did permitted it), that they wouldn't get free time off that their closer-living coworkers don't.  They'd not be punished or looked down on for using time for the weather, but nor would they be rewarded with extra paid time off.  Being flexible is important, but an employee shouldn't expect to be paid for time he isn't working, above and beyond negotiated benefits. 

Of course, most of my professional life has been in SoCal, where weather issues are pretty much non-existant.  My office has been closed twice for fires, however.  The whole office was closes.  Coincidentally, I was on vacation both times, and I was still required to take that as a vacation day, which irritated me slightly.  The policy was that anyone who had already scheduled not to be in still had to take vacation time.  It wasn't a big deal, but it's not what I'd have decided if I ruled the world. 
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« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2014, 11:42:56 AM »
I work in a hospital in a city renowned for roads being cut off when it floods, usually at least once a year. In 2011 we had a really bad flood event, resulting in some staff being stuck at work for up to a week, and some staff being stuck at home for the same length of time. I'm not talking "you're a wuss, just because it's cold and slippery out doesn't mean you can't work" weather, but actual rivers where roads should have been. In every direction.

Since then work have introduced Natural Disaster Leave, so if you have to stay home for safety reasons you can, guilt free. There was an ad-hoc arrangement before that but now it's official.

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« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2014, 12:12:53 PM »
I work in a hospital in a city renowned for roads being cut off when it floods, usually at least once a year. In 2011 we had a really bad flood event, resulting in some staff being stuck at work for up to a week, and some staff being stuck at home for the same length of time. I'm not talking "you're a wuss, just because it's cold and slippery out doesn't mean you can't work" weather, but actual rivers where roads should have been. In every direction.

Since then work have introduced Natural Disaster Leave, so if you have to stay home for safety reasons you can, guilt free. There was an ad-hoc arrangement before that but now it's official.

If is charged leave (counted against vacation or sick time) or simply free additional time off?

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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2014, 12:48:02 PM »
Free additional time off (paid). Obviously you have to verify you live in an affected area, which is pretty easy to do, and you have to actually be unable to come to work as opposed to just not wanting to.

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2014, 02:19:18 PM »
I work in a hospital.  If the weather sucks and we don't show up, we get fired.  Other facilities I've worked at had the same policy, so I'm assuming it's pretty standard.

For long periods of bad weather (hurricanes, usually, though last winter there was an ice storm), there's a "storm team" and an "after team," and everyone is pre-assigned to one for the year.  During the ice storm last year, I was on the storm team.  I got a call early in the morning to come in by noon and be prepared to stay 48 hours.  It ended up being a little less than 72 hours.  We'd work a 12-hour shift, sleep on air mattresses in empty offices & exam rooms, then work another 12.  It sucked.  On the bright side, we got overtime for all of it, even the sleeping/off duty parts, so my next paycheck was fantastic.

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2014, 02:27:55 PM »
It's not really unsafe to be on the road when conditions are poor.



This all depends on where you are. Here, there are no plows, usually no salt (sand is used until it runs out, which is quickly) and no snow tires or chains for sale. Also we get ice more frequently than snow, and usually ice before the snow when we do get snow. Add to that switchbacks and steep mountain passes, and you get I stay home a couple of days a year, as does everyone else.


Also, if I were to slip off one of those switchbacks and be injured too badly to hike out of the forest, I'd freeze to death or starve before I was found. The potential downsides are grim.

I'll second this.   ...and we're not even in the mountains.

I live in the South.  No plows (and the roads are not set up for them... we have buttons on the roads.)  No snow tires.  And when it does go bad, there is generally a layer of ice under the snow.  But: we get only a handful of days a year.  It isn't worth it to retool everything for just a couple of days.

I once had a Swedish acquaintence scoff at how "it was all that people didn't know how to drive."  He braved the ice and drove to work.  When he got to work, he was terrified and vowed never to do it again.

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #40 on: December 25, 2014, 05:26:19 PM »
Police, fire, EMS, and road crews want you to stay home. It makes their job a lot easier. If your presence is critically important, plan ahead. Stay in a hotel, sleep at work, etc. I work at a hospital which requires nurses and doctors to be here regardless of weather. They arrange beds to sleep in, pay extra, etc. It really just depends on your job responsibilities as to whether it's ethical to call in due to weather. 
Same here, the police/firemen have even taken me into work before since they want people staffing a hospital but off the roads. Depends on how busy they are for this to happen though. But when I showed up, I've been made to work extra shifts but I get paid 2x (on top of overtime) for it so it's like I get the money they aren't paying people who didn't show up. Plus if I can't get home, might as well make money if I'm already there.

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2014, 06:34:52 PM »
If you try to do this in Chicago you will get fired. They take pride in paving the roads so people can get to work. They don't really plow in Denver. They just wait for it to melt. If it's a bad storm, most people dont come in because the roads are too dangerous.

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« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2014, 07:33:17 PM »
Interesting -  so people take off because it is more dangerous under certain weather conditions?   So by that logic,  since bike riding is 3 to 10 times as dangerous a car driving,  couldn't you justify taking everyday off?   

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2014, 07:58:59 PM »
I don't take days off due to weather since I work in it every day (electrician), but I sure wish every bald tire having, no driving ability having, rubbernecker would stay at home on days it snows. I'm job site report by contract and the job site changes every day. Thank good times for company trucks!

If you're "trying to sneak through another winter" on your tires, stay at home for "safety"*.

*You're an idiot.

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2014, 08:03:41 PM »
I think safety is more important than work, but I live a short bus ride (which I usually walk or cycle, but will take the bus in bad weather).  I don't have a problem with colleagues not making it in.  Then again, the Niagara Escarpment accesses can be a real killer in bad weather.  I remember thinking that wherever I taught, at the very least I had to live on the same level  as work.  I've had the luxury of not being moved around from school to school over the course of my career, so I am lucky.

That being said, I have two great nightmares in teaching:
1.  I will be trapped in the school overnight with stranded kids.
2.  I will be trapped in my classroom during a lockdown for several hours and need to pee. 


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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2014, 03:14:24 AM »
Interesting -  so people take off because it is more dangerous under certain weather conditions?   So by that logic,  since bike riding is 3 to 10 times as dangerous a car driving,  couldn't you justify taking everyday off?

Absolutely. And by the same token your employer could justify never paying you again.

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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2014, 07:43:35 AM »
It's not really unsafe to be on the road when conditions are poor.



This all depends on where you are. Here, there are no plows, usually no salt (sand is used until it runs out, which is quickly) and no snow tires or chains for sale. Also we get ice more frequently than snow, and usually ice before the snow when we do get snow. Add to that switchbacks and steep mountain passes, and you get I stay home a couple of days a year, as does everyone else.


Also, if I were to slip off one of those switchbacks and be injured too badly to hike out of the forest, I'd freeze to death or starve before I was found. The potential downsides are grim.

I'll second this.   ...and we're not even in the mountains.

I live in the South.  No plows (and the roads are not set up for them... we have buttons on the roads.)  No snow tires.  And when it does go bad, there is generally a layer of ice under the snow.  But: we get only a handful of days a year.  It isn't worth it to retool everything for just a couple of days.

I once had a Swedish acquaintence scoff at how "it was all that people didn't know how to drive."  He braved the ice and drove to work.  When he got to work, he was terrified and vowed never to do it again.

"There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing", or tires. Of course, you need good spiked tires and experience in driving on ice. Summer tires on icy roads is asking for trouble. Salted roads are a pain, I far prefer driving on cold and clean snow roads. This is a road I regularly drive both in summer and winter, I guess that is what you call "switchbacks"? The scary thing about this one, is at you can have snow on the top, sleet and icy patches in the middle, and wet road down by the fjord. http://www.fluda.com/images/sunnmo2.jpg

It is all about what you are used to. I'm far more terrified driving in large cities. On holidays, I take a lot of detours to avoid roads with more than two lanes. But staying home because of snow would be crazy up here in the north.

It is the same with wind. We are prepared for wind, and have built houses to handle it. Noone leaves anything outside overnight without checking the weather forecast, and we take care to not let any trees grow to tall to close to the house. It's not something we think about, it's just habit. Sometimes the ferries stop if there is to much wind, then the island dwellers work from home, or come to work by private boat if the weather permits.

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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2014, 07:43:58 AM »
That is what I was trying to say. If your kids are home, you can't telework. You must take holidays (since there is no day off without pay option). Which makes sense because who can work with pre-school kids at home. If they are older maybe, but even then, not likely!


I am a government employee and almost everyone in my office is set up to telework. So on a bad weather day, everyone can continue to work at home...so it is not really a big deal at all.  With all the technology available this really shouldn't be an issue (depending on your work).  If you don't want to commute and your kids aren't in school (making working at home virtually impossible) the you need to use vacation time.  Living in cold weather climate with frequent bad weather though, most people just plan accordingly and get to work (since we almost all have massive farm vehicles with 4 wheel drive)! LOL! 

My only issue is regarding the idea that you might have different treatment for parents.  That doesn't sit right with me.  If you have daycare issues but are expected to be in, then I feel you have to take a vacation day or go unpaid.
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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2014, 08:06:15 AM »
That being said, I have two great nightmares in teaching:
1.  I will be trapped in the school overnight with stranded kids.

I grew up in Ottawa where the OP lives, and this actually happened there. It was during a fantastically bad ice storm in 1998. They did close the school, but a little late, so some kids and teachers didn't get the message and managed to get there. By then, it was too dangerous to just send them all home. Plus - a lot of people had lost power, so school admin were concerned about that. It's been a while, and I never made it to school, but my recollection is that eventually most of the kids went home, but the school remained open for disaster relief due to the power outages in town.

In the end, the school stayed closed for education purposes for several days. To this day, I have no idea how some of those kids made it in - I started to "walk" to school (I might have been better off with skates) and was dodging falling tree branches. Eventually I had to turn back and go home when an entire tree fell down in front of me and it occurred to me that school wasn't worth it.

There is such a thing as bad weather.



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Re: Living too far from work = don't come in/late in poor weather. Discuss.
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2014, 08:40:19 AM »
It's not really unsafe to be on the road when conditions are poor.



This all depends on where you are. Here, there are no plows, usually no salt (sand is used until it runs out, which is quickly) and no snow tires or chains for sale. Also we get ice more frequently than snow, and usually ice before the snow when we do get snow. Add to that switchbacks and steep mountain passes, and you get I stay home a couple of days a year, as does everyone else.


Also, if I were to slip off one of those switchbacks and be injured too badly to hike out of the forest, I'd freeze to death or starve before I was found. The potential downsides are grim.

I'll second this.   ...and we're not even in the mountains.

I live in the South.  No plows (and the roads are not set up for them... we have buttons on the roads.)  No snow tires.  And when it does go bad, there is generally a layer of ice under the snow.  But: we get only a handful of days a year.  It isn't worth it to retool everything for just a couple of days.

I once had a Swedish acquaintence scoff at how "it was all that people didn't know how to drive."  He braved the ice and drove to work.  When he got to work, he was terrified and vowed never to do it again.

"There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing", or tires. Of course, you need good spiked tires and experience in driving on ice.


All depends on location again. Anyone who attempted to drive on public roads with "spiked tires" here would be put in jail for vandalism, and with good reason.


Roads have ice, or other frozen precipitation, a maximum of seven days a year here - which also cuts into the opportunity to build up experience driving on ice.


In short, we all should do what's appropriate for conditions and location.