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rionorte

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Larger Salary or Lower Salary and RSUs?
« on: January 15, 2015, 01:33:06 PM »
I am facing a job change one decision among many is taking a much higher salary or sticking with the lower salary and a good RSU (restricted stock unit) program.

Have any mustachians faced this first world problem?  And what is your story?

gt7152b

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Re: Larger Salary or Lower Salary and RSUs?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2015, 02:12:27 PM »
If the total compensation is about the same I would take salary every time. Salary is used to calculate raises and bonuses. RSU's can go down in value with company stock price but they generally won't make you take a pay cut at most jobs. The flip side to this is that stock price may increase over time but in my experience they can adjust the number of RSU's down as well if there is not a set vesting schedule over a long period of time. My RSU allotment was refilled every year so as stock price went up they just reduced my allotment.

Also consider the intangible benefits/downsides to a job change. How are your co- workers, bosses, location, flexibility? 

neil

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Re: Larger Salary or Lower Salary and RSUs?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 02:41:27 PM »
Companies that offer RSUs will always talk about them when discussing "total compensation" but if times got tight, it might be a thing they can cut without it affecting your salary.  Then they can boast about how they didn't cut your salary.  Actually, one year we got double RSUs instead of raises (when some companies were doing flat pay cuts), which was nice for a while while they were vesting, but now I am at a point where my salary could be 3% higher.

They usually have a vesting schedule, so even if RSUs are never cut and always a "fair" amount of your compensation, when you leave you will leave a lot on the table.  At my company, they only fully accelerate when you retire at 65, and they accelerate one year if you retire under certain conditions (for me, I reach that at age 47).  For early retirees, you will leave some at the table, and the longer you are there, the more that will grow.

For a similar reason, bouncing between companies that offer RSUs obviously becomes more questionable.  But I would still want my new salary to compensate (or come very close to) my old salary plus RSUs before moving.  This can be hard to know exactly because usually RSU grants when hired are treated differently than the yearly RSU grants that are given based on performance or however they do it.

The "cost" on the books also has a lot to do with the price they are issued at, so while 100 shares at $20 and 50 shares at $40 is effectively the same value, but the P/E on the shares when it was 20 could have been a lot lower (taking a simplistic approach at valuation).  I would rather get the grants when the shares are undervalued but I have no control over this.

There is no reason to hold RSUs for any period of time since they are taxed when they vest as if the whole balance is income.  You have no control over this event.

The stock could tank and make unvested RSUs meaningless to your compensation.

Basically, $$$ is superior to RSUs.  I would rather think of RSUs as bonus money - something that is extremely variable that you should not rely on in your calculations.

However, depending on your retirement outlook, I don't consider jobs that simply pay more money superior unless you are looking at something as a short-term gig to put you over the hump.  There are a myriad of factors that might make a lower paying job superior.

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Re: Larger Salary or Lower Salary and RSUs?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2015, 06:21:39 PM »
All things being equal in terms of the job itself (which they never are) I would go for the salary.  RSUs can be great if you are planning being with a company for a while, but the vesting restrictions make them much less valuable than cash in my mind.  I have a general distaste for dangled carrots that are intended to entice people to stay.  If I don't like my job, I'm going somewhere else.  I walked away from a large block of unvested RSUs when going to my current job, and couldn't care less.

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Re: Larger Salary or Lower Salary and RSUs?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2015, 08:44:43 AM »
My RSU philosophy is as follows:

I will generally trade salary for RSUs at the rate of 5:1.  So I consider 20k in salary equal to 100k in in RSUs.  I have a high degree of confidence in my employer and their stock, so Im not too worried about losing significant money on the deal, and I actually expect some level of appreciation.  Also, my company's RSU awards are doled out 12.5% of the award every 6 months, so the entire award is payed out over 4 years. 

If the above mechanics didn't apply I would have to change my philosophy, for example if I did not have a high degree of confidence in the company stock I would probably adjust the ratio.

rionorte

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Re: Larger Salary or Lower Salary and RSUs?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2015, 09:15:03 AM »
Thank you all I appreciate your stories and feedback.  I am agonizing over the decision and how I have to evaluate all other aspects.