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Job Characteristics
« on: March 03, 2014, 02:56:21 PM »
Process recently started a thread called Salaries, which I am enjoying reading.  I'd like to start a slightly related thread, that describes a job's characteristics.

For example, I work for the federal government, so my hours are a predictable 40 hours per week.  It's a psychologically healthy environment where people generally work and play well together.  There are two things I really like about it.  1) I can probably work there as long as I want to and I won't be pushed out by my employer.  2) We are on a compressed schedule so I get every other Friday off.  Pay is a little low, and the federal government can be silly sometimes.  The only real downside is a 3-hour round trip commute.  About half of that is by train, so I watch videos or read books.  I would move closer except my kids are in a great school district.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 09:21:00 PM »
Surgery resident (clinical years): 80 hours per week, 1 day off per week. Every third weekend we work 24hrs at a time. 2 months per year we work at night only. My colleagues are nice and also work hard. No time for anything other than work and sleep, just barely enough time for family (right now in a research lab so work only 50 hrs/week).

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 09:29:19 PM »
Ohh good idea, I'll add in dh's stats before I head to bed.

He works as a Validation Manager in the Pharmaceutical Industry.  He works about 40-45 hours a week.  Normal corporate bs but the company is great overall and just made it into Forbes top 10 places to work and for good reason.  They place a high value on positive culture (me myself....I couldn't work there, I'm not a good collaborator, just the word makes me want to stab my eyes out)  Lots of fellow folks who value working out and lunch is usually had after group runs, or trips to the gym.  Great insurance which normally comes with the territory in this industry.  He just got a bonus that was about 20% of his annual pay, and they kick in 6% towards his 401k regardless of what he does or doesn't contribute. He gets 3 weeks vaca, unlimited sick time, 6 week sabbatical every 6 years, free Iphone, free gym membership.  Laid back culture, weekly happy hours on the house, lots of free t-shirts...so many free tshirts and jackets and polo's, he doesn't need to buy many clothes.  But for him, the part that makes it livable and why he will work there for a bit is, the culture and he really enjoys his management team.  So what's not to like.  Great pay...not too many downsides.
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Re: Job Characteristics
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 09:38:02 PM »
40 hours a week, including lunch breaks.

If I work more hours, they get 'banked' and can be taken as free days off (or to shorten the occasional day when I need to leave early / get in late).

Can start anytime up until 9.30, and leave anytime after 3.

Four weeks annual leave a year, two days of extra leave, and I think twelve days of sick leave (I'd have to check that one).

No "benefits" as Aus has a different healthcare system with a decent public system (basically Obamacare). My employer did pay for my post-grad qualifications in my field.

Colleagues tend to be 'work hard, play hard' types who like to get together for big drinking sessions on Fridays. I participate occasionally. They're spendy, but other than that, the majority of them are lovely and competent human beings. Not a bad working environment at all.

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2014, 10:05:12 PM »
When I joined the U.S. Navy I was told that I would see the world and could volunteer to "take the sub way to work". 

Submarine life turned out to see a lot of that world through the periscope, and sea duty is 60-80 hours/week.  (Luckily most shore duty slacks off to 40-50 hours/week.)  Underway routine is weeks of boring watchstanding, training, maintenance, and cleaning sprinkled with liberal doses of paperwork, program reviews, and inspections.  Every month or so it's interrupted by periods of intense panic (fires, flooding, or other malfunctions) followed by hours (or even days) of repairs.  When you're on a mission then it's simply hours of intense pressure alternating with minutes of sheer panic for as many days as the mission lasts.

Reliability of employment is very high, with very few layoffs.  There's no overtime pay, although there may be occasional comp time.  30 days of vacation per year (as workload permits), and unlimited sick time when cleared with a doctor.  Organizational clothing is provided (mostly for free) along with plenty of training & supervision.  Housing & food are free when you're underway, and mostly compensated when you're ashore.  Exercise facilities are free, as are a number of other lifestyle programs designed to entice you to stay on the worksite for 24/7.  Health insurance is cheap, although occupational hazards may be high. 

It's a hypercompetitive environment where people generally work & play well together but frequently challenge each other to perform far beyond their limits.  There are certainly lots of opportunities to learn management & budget skills as part of a team, although not many positions with direct sales.  You have to meet performance standards and production quotas, but at least you don't have to show a profit.  There's also chances to obtain a college degree, occasional promotions, and steady pay raises.  You get extra pay for volunteering, extra pay for sea duty, and bonus pay for committing to additional years of service.  Sometimes the money is almost worth it.  Once in a while you get to do exactly what you wanted to do, and a paycheck as well.

Almost 17% of the employees stick around for 20 years to vest in the pension plan, which is considered one of the nation's most reliable.

Here's the ad which suckered persuaded me in 1978:

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2014, 10:53:55 PM »
Hey this is a great idea for a thread!

My current job is teaching art 3 days/week at an international school in China. I moved to this city, in part, because I'm inspired by and want to understand China and the art made here, and want to improve my Mandarin. Both are happening, slowly but surely after 2 years.

Hours: 7:30-4pm, Monday-Weds. About half that time I'm actually teaching. Since I'm part-time, I don't have many responsibilities, and have a great work-life balance (I make art Thurs-Sunday in a studio next to my house). I have total freedom over what I teach, and very little external pressure.

I've just signed a contract for two more years at the same school, for a bit of a promotion to artist-in-residence.  Hours will be 8am-4:30pm Monday-Friday, and all projects will be 100% self-directed. 2-bedroom housing will be provided by work, along with full medical/dental, etc. With a 2-year contract I'll be able to get some things started, like a student internship program, which will I hope be a legacy. I'll have a studio for making my own artwork, will occasionally travel to other parts of the region to collaborate w/other artists-in-residence, and will work on murals and misc. design projects for the school community. Basically it's a dream-job come true, in a chaotic, challenging city which inspires me to no end. Two years will probably be enough, and I'll be looking to transition to a similar position in a warmer, cleaner, more-boring environment for some contrast.

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Re: Job Characteristics
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 03:47:28 AM »
My company I own when I worked everyone started and left the same time. I usually made sure i was first to arrive and last to leave. Hours were 6:30-5:30 now for employees 7-4:30. Very High stess like you would see a broker in the movie boiling point. Alot of phone work, screaming and yelling.  But the people that are committed can make 6 figures rather qucikly but need to be able to talk, think and write and the same time. No wonder why i got burnt out.

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 05:00:52 AM »
(First year in the job, I get paid $62k, with 12 weeks holiday, plus employer contribues 12.75% into retirement account).

I "work" from 8am - 2.30pm. But I'm a teacher, so I'm at school anywhere from 2.30pm to 4.30pm, and I arrive around 7am. I teach for 3.5 to 4.5 hours each day. The rest is planning time, or meetings. Or having coffee in the staffroom :P

I also probably work for about 3 hours every Sunday, getting ready for the week. (Total = 50.5 hrs/wk at the high end)

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2014, 05:13:01 AM »
Submarines were miserable.

Software developer - 40 hour work week with voluntary  paid overtime, work from home whenever, flex hours whenever, free snacks and coffee, relaxed work environment, awesome coworkers. Best gig ever. I should be able to FIRE by 35, but might stick around if work continues to be as cool as it has been.

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2014, 07:58:10 AM »
Public college professor, good HDHP with $750 employer contribution to a family HSA ($350 for a single), which is nearly enough to cover the premium. $3,000 deductible for family, $6,000 max out of pocket. Fairly stable pension plan with healthcare in retirement (for me, not for more recent hires) paid 70% by the university system; family is also covered if they were covered while employed. 403(b) and 457 available, but no matching (we put a little over 5% into the pension, and they put 11%, I believe). Pension vests in ten years, individual accounts vest immediately.

Hours change every semester depending on teaching schedule, over which I have some limited control (input is probably closer to the truth). As a general rule I'm on campus four days a week for 8-12 hours depending on what's going on, then work 6-8 hours on the off day and 2-4 on weekends. Average is about 50-60 hours a week.

8 sick days a year, no specific vacation. Most faculty have two months off in the summer, but since I'm in a split role, no summer off and no vacation. The college is closed two weeks in December, though, and my summers generally involve only one or two trips to campus per week and 40 hours a week.

Some travel is required/ strongly encouraged, and the rare semester teaching on a distant satellite campus; mileage to that campus is reimbursed, other travel is covered.

The positives are how much control I have over what I do and when -- it's considerable as long as I get everything I'm assigned done plus some extra. The reason I stay, though, and the reason I'm at this college for a third of the pay I could have elsewhere, is the sense of making a real difference. I've chosen to teach at one of the least expensive colleges in the country (in the bottom ten, I believe), and we don't have the tuition money or state support to pay market rates, or anywhere close to them. But students can work their way through college in a factory (with no union-level pay; this is the South) or working fast food. They can graduate without debt or with very manageable debt if they need a little more time to study. The majority of our students are the first in their families to go to college.

Negatives are the long hours, the sense that you're never really "off," and the tenure track.

Tenure rant alert:

There's no clear guidance on what it takes to get tenure, and in fact it varies from person to person based on politics and the individual whims of the roughly 15 or so people with veto power over a tenure bid, some of whom the applicant will never meet. If you don't get tenure, you're out of a job immediately, or in some "humane" cases, with one year to look elsewhere (interviews for the following August happen in late fall in this field). The tenure track is a guarantee that you will lose your job in seven years unless things go just right, and you can't know what "right" looks like during those seven years.

If all goes well and you get tenure, then you get to do it all over again every five years until retirement, but a failure during one of those post-tenure reviews does at least mean you'll get one year to put things right before you're fired. Assuming the politics don't change in the intervening year, anyway.

People wonder why I laugh when I see another media rant about the tenure "gravy train."

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2014, 08:32:32 AM »
I too am a college prof (at a small private), and thought it's fitting I post after Rurual b/c my experience is so different from hers.

I work about 30 hours a week for 26-30 weeks of the year that I'm teaching classes (the exact number of weeks depends on the year).  During these weeks,  I go into campus about 4 days a week, but at least one of these is usually more like a half day.    These hours are also very flexible with only about 15 hours a week absolutely required for me to be there, so I could be on campus less if ever needed/desired.       I try very hard to get all of my work finished during the weeks that I'm in my office, so that I really don't have to work over summer, xmas break, and other breaks (the remaining 22-26 weeks of the year).   I will work beyond those weeks if I get funding to do research, which so far I've gotten for an additional 4-6 weeks most years (ie., I am paid extra for this time and doing it is completely voluntary).   I did work more when I first started and had to get my classes together (worked probably 60+ hours a week during the semester my first year, maybe more like 40 my second, 35 my third), but now that I have things together it really is more like an efficient 30 a week.

I am tenure track, but tenure is not hard to get at my school.   So, unless there are some major changes, I'm confident I do plenty to get tenure.  Frankly, I do far more than my peers (most who would probably claim they work at least 40 hrs per week, some might even say more), so even if there were major changes, I'm probably as safe as/safer than anyone is.   I don't know if I'm super efficient and/or others don't work as much as they say/perceive  (at my school, I know other schools are very different and many other professors really work far more at other places), but I love that I have a job where I don't have to watch the clock, but can prioritize what to work on, get it done, and then work on home stuff/spend time with my family.   I never again want to have  job where I'm chained to my desk and being efficient is not rewarded through any difference in working hours.

The pay's not great considering my degree/experience, but it was a very willing sacrifice for me (in exchange for the above working hours, flexibility, autonomy), so I don't mind.   Employer used to contribute >7% to retirement with no match required.   This was cut to 3% due to recession/market down-turn effects on the endowment and is theory will soon be raised again, but I'm not holding my breath.  There is no pension and health insurance is high-coverage (so low costs for services), no deductible, but relatively high premium ($500 covers our family of 4).
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Re: Job Characteristics
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2014, 08:55:42 AM »
It does vary wildly, doesn't it? I actually have no particular fear of my own tenure bid, but the years of sheer uncertainty are starting to wear a bit, maybe a bit more than I realized before I wrote the little rant above.

The time differences are probably largely a result of my split administrative/faculty role. I think I could do much of the teaching and research portions in fewer hours, though I'd have more classes and the grading load in my field is fairly heavy, and we have no TAs.

At any rate, YMMV.

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2014, 09:09:05 AM »
It does vary wildly, doesn't it? I actually have no particular fear of my own tenure bid, but the years of sheer uncertainty are starting to wear a bit, maybe a bit more than I realized before I wrote the little rant above.

Yeah, I can relate to this.   While I really am tenure safe on paper, I do get irritated by how often the threat of tenure seems to hang over my head.   Eg., often there's the little fear of "don't say that, it could hurt your chances of tenure" or "you should say yes to doing this although it's a stupid waste of time lest someone thinks you're lazy and it hurts your chances of tenure," etc.   Even in a place where I'm as safe as it gets, until I have tenure, it can be draining.

I can also imagine how much more work a dual administrative role would be.   Prior to starting at my current job I thought that a far goal might even be to become a Dean, etc.   But, now, seeing what the job entails, profs have a much cushier job, IMHO.

The comparison of our workloads is also a good reminder for me when all my colleagues bitch about our pay.   It may seem low comparing it to other salaries of PhDs (starts around $50k), but they forget how good they have it regarding autonomy, flexibility, and sheer work required (even compared to other prof jobs), and as such, the salary is really fitting, IMO.   Not to mention, we live in an area where that money really goes far (eg., it supports me, my SAH spouse, DD, DSD, we live in a nice house, are on a path to FIRE, etc).   But, of course, I pretty much can't go through a day without hearing how little we're paid, how they can never afford to retire, etc, as they make plans on their smart phones to drive 2 blocks in their financed cars to meet their spouses out for dinner and drinks ;)
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Re: Job Characteristics
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 09:13:43 AM »
It's a hypercompetitive environment where people generally work & play well together but frequently challenge each other to perform far beyond their limits. 

Ah!  Is this where you learned about hypercompetitive frugal ball? :)

Edit: My grammar skills are lacking today.
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Re: Job Characteristics
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 09:43:39 AM »
It's a hypercompetitive environment where people generally work & play well together but frequently challenge each other to perform far beyond their limits. 
Ah!  Is there where you learned about hypercompetitive frugal ball? :)
Heh.  Yep, especially when you had to make things last for 90 days underwater with no portcalls...
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/02/02/sea-story-you-want-how-much-for-that-stamp/

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 09:50:03 AM »
Heh.  Yep, especially when you had to make things last for 90 days underwater with no portcalls...
http://the-military-guide.com/2012/02/02/sea-story-you-want-how-much-for-that-stamp/
Wow.  Ed. :(

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2014, 10:11:51 AM »
I like this idea.

I work as a direct care staff in a private non profit group home for adults with intellectual disabilities and mental health issues.  I've been with my current employer for about 12 years.  When I stated I was working in a middle management position.  After having a child I stepped down to my current position which pays less, but allows for me to be home with my kids, saving me child care costs. 

Here' s the information on my current position.  I get paid $12 an hour, and work 40 hours a week.  It is a set schedule where I attend one meeting a week (2 hours) and work two shifts (one is 14hours and the other is 24 hours).  On the longer shifts I can sleep for 3.5 hours.

My job offers okay health insurance.  My husband's job doesn't offer any so that is another reason I have maintained employment.  We get straight Benefit time that can be used for vacation, sick, or personal.  All new employees earn approximately 10 hours a month, since I have been there for so long I am now earning about 20 hours a month, which is at this highest level.  We can only carry over a years worth of time, otherwise if we do not use it we lose it and there is no option to buy it back.  They also offer a 403(B) with no match.  I will be looking into this more, I am putting some into it but I have to re-look at my allocations.

Currently my employer is helping me with getting my Masters degree, they are paying 80% and my share just comes out of my paycheck a little at a time each paycheck.  For this privileged I did sign a 3 year contract.

For a direct care position it is not bad, but I live in the Boston area so no one could really live off of my income alone, but lucky My husband is an electrician and is the main bread winner in the house.  However, his job offers no benefits.  If you work you get paid, if you don't work you don't get paid.
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 01:35:22 PM »
I'm a Senior Business Systems Analyst in IT for online services in the financial industry.  I've been with the company for 7 years and have some great friends, which makes it really nice to come to work every day. 

The pay is great and I have gotten a raise and a bonus every year since I started. I work 40 hours a week, have passable medical, dental and vision benefits and 7.5% 401k matching when I contribute at least 6%. The company provides matching for the FSA. There are 4 weeks of vacation every year for my level, with the option of an extra week if I purchase it. I just roll an extra week over every year because paying for an extra week seems silly.

With the exception of short-term disability types of situations, I can take all of the sick days I need without dipping into my vacation time, which is an awesome benefit. Occasionally I work from home, but it's the exception. I can also leave work during the day for appointments as I need to without any fuss.

There are a lot of other benefits I'm not using right now, like tuition reimbursement and that sort of thing.

Oh, also, as one of the more senior people in the company I  have free parking in downtown Seattle, which is really high on my list of perks here. :-)

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2014, 08:05:26 PM »
I work as a construction electrician, typical workweek is M-F from 6-3. Fridays we take off at 2. There is a bit of overtime. I don't get all these amazing benefits some salaried workers get. If we're sick, we basically don't get paid. I haven't taken a sick day in years. 2 weeks off for Christmas and that's about it. I still like my job though and it gets better as my career advances. Early on it's just pure labour and hard labour at that. As you progress through school and years of work experience you learn more and handle more things on a jobsite from meetings with other high level tradespeople to blueprint reading, ordering material and managing employees/apprentices. I look forward to the day where I can legally start my own company.