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Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« on: December 03, 2020, 12:14:12 PM »
Hey whisky drinkers,

Does anyone have any recommendations for nice Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon? My local liquor stores having been stocking more Japanese whisky lately and I was thinking of getting a bottle for Christmas. We have lots of bourbons and I've tried a few, but I'd be interested if anyone had strong feelings about a certain distiller or product.

Thanks!

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 01:17:17 PM »
A client gave me a bottle of Willet Kentucky Bourbon and it's pretty great.  I normally stick to Makers Mark and this was quite a bit better in my opinion and I will buy it again.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2020, 02:03:16 PM »
Eagle Rare is my favorite bourbon.

Some others I like:
Basil Hayden's
Woodford Reserve
Blanton's
Bulleit

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2020, 02:06:25 PM »
Thanks for all of the suggestions. Looks like my local store has a few of those.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 04:13:55 PM »
DH picked up a bottle of Legent last year while in KY and had really enjoyed it. Also he highly recommends OCD #5 from Old Crow Distillery if you can get your hands on a bottle.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 04:14:47 PM »
Buffalo Trace is usually the cheapest* at my grocery store, $24.  I drink it in cocktails most of the time and find it's pretty versatile with different kinds of bitters.  For something nicer, I'm sure you'll get good suggestions from that tend to drink it straight up or on the rocks.  I don't know much about Japanese whisky.

* Cheapest of something that isn't rotgut

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 04:56:33 PM »
Hibiki is a lovely Japanese whiskey. It's pricey enough for a nice Christmas gift, so I I've only bought it once (for my brother and me).

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 05:07:00 PM »
For bourbon I really like Elijah Craig and Bookers depending on what you're looking to spend.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 06:02:48 PM »
Both great kinds of whiskey. Here's what I can offer:

Japanese:
-Hakushu (tried this and really enjoyed it)
-Yamazaki (has been cleaning up all kinds of awards over the last few years, but disclaimer - I have not tried it!)

Bourbon:
Others have offered a few good suggestions. I'll offer some I haven't seen mentioned yet.
-Michter's
-Jefferson's Reserve
-Town Branch
-Blanton's
-Black Maple Hill (if you can find it)
-1792

...and I'll offer another idea since this is the Mustache Forums - Jim Beam Black Label. Specifically the Black Label because it is aged 8 years and is far smoother than the regular Beam stuff. Around here you can grab a handle for around $30 and I'd say it's 95% as good as many of the premium brands mentioned above, great for casual sipping and mixing whiskey-based cocktails with.

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 06:22:03 PM »
For mixed drinks we tend to use Jim Bean Black or Buffalo Trace. 

For neat or ‘primarily bourbon’ cocktails like a manhattan we’re currently using Breaking & Entering.  Of those that can be bought almost anywhere I’d gravitate towards Makers Mark or Buillet. 

IMO part of the fun of this new ‘spirits revolution’ is to find local distilleries and test their product.  They tend to be pricier for the same quality, but buying local and different is part of the appeal.

Oh - and since this is the MMM forum, thought I’d throw out that even the mid-tier spirits cost far less per serving than a case of most mass-produced beer, and FAR less than any microbrews.  At $50 for a 1.75L ‘handle’ of booze, your per-serving (1.5oz) cost is $1.25.  Most six-packs cost a great deal more than $7.50
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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2020, 09:59:29 PM »
I’ve been trying to transition away from beer to bourbon. I can sip it neat and make it last a lot longer. Hoping to ultimately spend less and consume less calories than the IPAs I’ve drank for 24 years.

So far my go to is Four Roses Small Batch. Will probably splurge on their single barrel for the holidays. I’ve been buying one bottle of 4 Roses and then another bottle of something else and alternating. Right now my other bottle is Buffalo Trace and before that Bulleit. Will probably try Elijah Craig next. I’ve enjoyed them all so far, and good to have some backups (stores here are often out of stuff, and also you never know what a bar will carry).

Once we are over the pandemic, planning on heading to Kentucky and doing the Bourbon Tour (maybe via bicycle) for a few days. I retired just in time to be locked down.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2020, 05:52:40 AM »
Lots of excellent suggestions. My personal favorites are Bulleit, Four Roses, and Eagle Rare. I don’t think I’ve tried Michter’s bourbon, but their rye whiskey is very good.

I think Yamazaki is the only Japanese whiskey I’ve tried. It’s been several years, but I do remember enjoying it.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2020, 08:12:19 AM »
I don't have a great deal of experience to offer. I prefer scotch to bourbon. I have tried Suntory and found it to by OK, but nothing special.  My son bought me a bottle of Bookers bourbon and I thought it was excellent. Almost made a bourbon drinker out of me, that is until I found out what it cost.

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2020, 08:30:15 AM »

Maker's 46 is another nice option.  I haven't seen Knob Creek mentioned.  I don't have any experience with Japanese whisky.  I personally don't like the taste of scotch, especially single malt versions.  Also, if you find something a little harsh, letting some ice melt in it can smooth it out.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2020, 11:15:40 AM »

Maker's 46 is another nice option.  I haven't seen Knob Creek mentioned.  I don't have any experience with Japanese whisky.  I personally don't like the taste of scotch, especially single malt versions.  Also, if you find something a little harsh, letting some ice melt in it can smooth it out.

I didn't care much for Scotch Whisky until I spent some time working and traveling in Scotland. I also grew up in bourbon country, USA.  The thing I'd stress is that there's a HUGE variety within the 'single-malt' category, with five recognized regions (Highland, Lowland, Campbeltown, Islay and Speyside). 
Most Americans who aren't regular scotch drinkers have tried only Speyside whiskys... in part because some of the biggest exporters are from there (including Glenlivit, Glenfiddich and MacCallan).  It's not uncommon for a small liquor store to carry only Johnnie Walker Red & Black, Chivas Regal (both blended) and two or three Speysides (usually Glenlivit and a 'high-shelf' MacCallan) and that's it.  THe other regions are often absent entirely... whcih is a damn shame.

For people who say they don't care for Scotch whisky but like Bourbon or Canadian Whiskeys, I recommend trying some Lowland single-malt.  They are less peaty and lighter than the others.  At the far end of the spectrum are Islay whiskys, which often taste like a peat bog (good for some, others hate that).

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2020, 12:26:36 PM »

Maker's 46 is another nice option.  I haven't seen Knob Creek mentioned.  I don't have any experience with Japanese whisky.  I personally don't like the taste of scotch, especially single malt versions.  Also, if you find something a little harsh, letting some ice melt in it can smooth it out.

I didn't care much for Scotch Whisky until I spent some time working and traveling in Scotland. I also grew up in bourbon country, USA.  The thing I'd stress is that there's a HUGE variety within the 'single-malt' category, with five recognized regions (Highland, Lowland, Campbeltown, Islay and Speyside). 
Most Americans who aren't regular scotch drinkers have tried only Speyside whiskys... in part because some of the biggest exporters are from there (including Glenlivit, Glenfiddich and MacCallan).  It's not uncommon for a small liquor store to carry only Johnnie Walker Red & Black, Chivas Regal (both blended) and two or three Speysides (usually Glenlivit and a 'high-shelf' MacCallan) and that's it.  THe other regions are often absent entirely... whcih is a damn shame.

For people who say they don't care for Scotch whisky but like Bourbon or Canadian Whiskeys, I recommend trying some Lowland single-malt.  They are less peaty and lighter than the others.  At the far end of the spectrum are Islay whiskys, which often taste like a peat bog (good for some, others hate that).
Guess I'm an oddball, then --I started my scotch tasting journey with Laphroaig! [an Islay whisky, for the unfamiliar]

Though admittedly, I am fond of Speyside for an easy-drinking scotch. I generally can't stand blends, so Glenlivet is as close as I get to an "everyday" scotch.
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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2020, 12:44:27 PM »

Maker's 46 is another nice option.  I haven't seen Knob Creek mentioned.  I don't have any experience with Japanese whisky.  I personally don't like the taste of scotch, especially single malt versions.  Also, if you find something a little harsh, letting some ice melt in it can smooth it out.

I didn't care much for Scotch Whisky until I spent some time working and traveling in Scotland. I also grew up in bourbon country, USA.  The thing I'd stress is that there's a HUGE variety within the 'single-malt' category, with five recognized regions (Highland, Lowland, Campbeltown, Islay and Speyside). 
Most Americans who aren't regular scotch drinkers have tried only Speyside whiskys... in part because some of the biggest exporters are from there (including Glenlivit, Glenfiddich and MacCallan).  It's not uncommon for a small liquor store to carry only Johnnie Walker Red & Black, Chivas Regal (both blended) and two or three Speysides (usually Glenlivit and a 'high-shelf' MacCallan) and that's it.  THe other regions are often absent entirely... whcih is a damn shame.

For people who say they don't care for Scotch whisky but like Bourbon or Canadian Whiskeys, I recommend trying some Lowland single-malt.  They are less peaty and lighter than the others.  At the far end of the spectrum are Islay whiskys, which often taste like a peat bog (good for some, others hate that).
Guess I'm an oddball, then --I started my scotch tasting journey with Laphroaig! [an Islay whisky, for the unfamiliar]

Though admittedly, I am fond of Speyside for an easy-drinking scotch. I generally can't stand blends, so Glenlivet is as close as I get to an "everyday" scotch.

Laphroaig is delicious. My personal favorites, though, are Caol Ila (Islay) and Talisker (Isle of Skye). Mmm. Hopefully I get a good bottle of scotch for Christmas. I've been hinting at husband.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2020, 02:28:46 PM »
I don't drink much of the hard stuff (mostly wine and beer), but after visiting Ireland in 2017 we came back as believers in Irish Whiskey--especially Paddy (recommended at more than one pub over there). Pretty cheap too--about $25/bottle. Very tasty, mellow, and complex.

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2020, 05:48:47 PM »

Maker's 46 is another nice option.  I haven't seen Knob Creek mentioned.  I don't have any experience with Japanese whisky.  I personally don't like the taste of scotch, especially single malt versions.  Also, if you find something a little harsh, letting some ice melt in it can smooth it out.

I didn't care much for Scotch Whisky until I spent some time working and traveling in Scotland. I also grew up in bourbon country, USA.  The thing I'd stress is that there's a HUGE variety within the 'single-malt' category, with five recognized regions (Highland, Lowland, Campbeltown, Islay and Speyside). 
Most Americans who aren't regular scotch drinkers have tried only Speyside whiskys... in part because some of the biggest exporters are from there (including Glenlivit, Glenfiddich and MacCallan).  It's not uncommon for a small liquor store to carry only Johnnie Walker Red & Black, Chivas Regal (both blended) and two or three Speysides (usually Glenlivit and a 'high-shelf' MacCallan) and that's it.  THe other regions are often absent entirely... whcih is a damn shame.

For people who say they don't care for Scotch whisky but like Bourbon or Canadian Whiskeys, I recommend trying some Lowland single-malt.  They are less peaty and lighter than the others.  At the far end of the spectrum are Islay whiskys, which often taste like a peat bog (good for some, others hate that).
Guess I'm an oddball, then --I started my scotch tasting journey with Laphroaig! [an Islay whisky, for the unfamiliar]

Though admittedly, I am fond of Speyside for an easy-drinking scotch. I generally can't stand blends, so Glenlivet is as close as I get to an "everyday" scotch.

Laphroaig is delicious. My personal favorites, though, are Caol Ila (Islay) and Talisker (Isle of Skye). Mmm. Hopefully I get a good bottle of scotch for Christmas. I've been hinting at husband.

Talisker is my favorite (which autocorrect keeps wanting to make Tali’s mer ?!).
We had a delayed honeymoon on Isle of Skye and went to their distillery twice. They had bottles there exceeding 40 years and costing > £2,000 (!!). Too rich for my blood but they make the best 10y I’ve come across and their 18y is divine. 
 

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Re: Japanese whisky and Kentucky bourbon
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2020, 06:02:41 PM »
I don't drink much of the hard stuff (mostly wine and beer), but after visiting Ireland in 2017 we came back as believers in Irish Whiskey--especially Paddy (recommended at more than one pub over there). Pretty cheap too--about $25/bottle. Very tasty, mellow, and complex.


My brother and I are both Tullamore Dew fans. I don't think I've seen this one locally, but I'll keep an eye out for it.

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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2020, 06:49:28 PM »
Gimme some advice (please) for visiting the Isle of Skye. We really want to go--I have read some travel narratives about it, and yes, I realize the weather in winter can get really wild (i love it!). There is one self-catering holiday cottage we want to  stay in, but they are booked years in advance in summer--however, they are wide open in winter. I would not mind driving there; I am fine driving in Ireland.

We also want to go to Lewis and the Orkneys--as many as possible.


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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2020, 07:06:38 AM »
Gimme some advice (please) for visiting the Isle of Skye. We really want to go--I have read some travel narratives about it, and yes, I realize the weather in winter can get really wild (i love it!). There is one self-catering holiday cottage we want to  stay in, but they are booked years in advance in summer--however, they are wide open in winter. I would not mind driving there; I am fine driving in Ireland.

We also want to go to Lewis and the Orkneys--as many as possible.

Isle of Skye was probably our favorite place we’ve ever visited, and the one that we did the least preparation for.  We went there on the recommendation of several friends as my spouse was in the UK working at the time.  We met for a wedding in Durham and then drove north, stayed in Edinburgh for a few days before heading up to Skye for an extended vacation/delayed honeymoon. We were there in late April, which turned out to be a tremendously lucky time for us.... very few tourists but everything was starting to bloom.

What amazed me about Skye was that if you liked hiking and being outdoors as we do, then you can just stumble across fantastic locales without trying.  SCotland’s “Right to Roam” law really means you can hike just about anywhere - no rich landowners blocking access.  We stayed in a campground just outside Portree and walked into town for breakfast.  For hikes Storr and the Fairie pools stick out in my mind (we stumbled on both), but there were two others we did just by asking locals, neither had any sign or name we could discern but were equally spectacular (one followed a fence and some cliffs to a cobble beach, the other winded along the coast to some white maerl coves. Basically we would just drive until we saw something interesting, get out and explore. It was magical.  We packed a lunch and some drinks in a backpack and just went ahead with very little planned each day, and every day wound up being full.

Of the ‘touristy’ things, we went to Talisker (awesome) and of course Dunvegan castle (informative and worth it, but formal tours of old buildings aren’t my favorite thing in the world).  If we had more time and planning we might have gone out to the Outer Hebrides - but it takes a full day and the ferry is expensive... its the sort of place which appeals to those who really want to get away from everything.

I was also impressed by the food.  Every place we stopped at had fantastic food. From coffee shops to taverns each place we solid - I don’t think we encountered a subpar meal during our entire time there.  And of course, being the highlands, every tavern had at least 30 single-malts behind the bar - some had far, far more, and they always seemed to know everything about all of them.  Being poor students at the time we aimed for a £50/day budget (for both of us) and most days we stayed well under that.

It’s one of the very few places we are actively planning on re-visiting (with such a big world, we tend not to repeat far-away vacations often).

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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2020, 01:53:12 PM »
Thanks very much four your thoughts on Skye. It sounds great and I hope we can make it over there some day. (Our next Europe trip is likely Spain--hopefully in 2021, but that maybe overly optimistic) I am an Irish/EU-US dual (tri?) citizen and we may end up living in that general area one of these days. Hopefully Scotland will vote independence and stay with the EU!

In any case, I am kind of interested in hanging out there in winter. If you are interested in reading a great travel narrative of someone who did this as part of a quest for peace and solitude (one of my life's quests as well), I highly recommend this book. A Book of Silence by Sara Maitland. Her visit to her hermitage on Skye takes up about 25% of the book, but the rest is great as well.

We also want to go to the Orkneys, because I'm megalithomaniac.




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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2020, 03:00:19 PM »
My city has several whiskey bars where you can do tastings of a particular brand or style - Japanese, Irish, American, pot still, column still, peat, etc. I highly recommend that to figure out what you like. They usually run about $20-30 and you get to try 4-8 servings in the ones around here.



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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2020, 10:23:15 AM »
I’ve tried several scotches and not liked any of them. And honestly I haven’t tried too hard, since I’m mostly a bourbon drinker and good bourbon is often much less expensive than good scotch.

My favorite bourbon is probably Buffalo Trace, which before the pandemic was often $25-30 and widely found; I haven’t seen a bottle of it lately though I haven’t tried too hard to find it. BT is the “house” bourbon from the distillery where Pappy Van Winkel is made.  They also make Eagle Rare, which is good but not, IMO, 2x as a good as BT which is what ER costs.

At the mid/higher end, Blanton’s ($80-100) is very good.

Since I haven’t found BT lately I’ve been drinking Knob Creek, and I also like Basil Hayden (bought recently since I saw it on sale for like $30, usually it’s more like $40.) 

IMO the best value out there is Jim Beam Black label; around here Beam White is ~$15 and black is $20, that extra $5 buys a much better bourbon.

 

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