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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2015, 05:07:15 PM »
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Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?

No.

I would suggest the midwest though. Flyover country has its perks, but you have to take the good with the bad: you're not going to have the same amenities. Consider that there are only a couple hundred thousand more people in the entire state of South Dakota as in Seattle, much less if you include the Seattle metro.

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2015, 05:31:50 PM »
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Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?

No.

I would suggest the midwest though. Flyover country has its perks, but you have to take the good

That's about it.  You need to either acquiesce  to living way way out in the country, which is not really doable if you still need to work. Look at answers here concerning that. They simply got lucky. Hoping to get lucky is not a plan. Or you need a ton of money so you can live where the really, really  rich live. They will not put up with that sort of crap in their living environment.

Both are generally fantasies. Even if you do not need to work, as you  get older living in the boonies becomes less viable  for general health reasons. I have nixed the Boonies myself because I really don't want to be too far from help if I need it and I'm not getting younger.

No, I'm afraid it is The American Way to let the animals run the zoo.

One word about city/town living. If you can find a neighborhood with a older demographic. Not a "Seniors development" per say just a population where the average age skews higher that would help.

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2015, 11:36:24 PM »
I have the best of both those worlds :)    Rural living in a village of super smart people and lots of diversity, art, conversation, etc. I think these characteristics aren't specific to "city", just as hanging with family isn't specific to "country". Some people in the country are all about meth labs, parties, constant engagement; some are all about art, connection, endless conversation, etc. Ditto both for cities.
I'm sure it's a fabulous place... I have friends that live in places like that and I love to visit. But quality does count for something if the arts are a major part of your life - I would find it hard to agree that having a local artists' community in your village is equivalent to being able to visit the Met or MoMA any time I feel like it, or seeing the finest jazz musicians in the world whenever I want to venture downtown. And I've attended some truly astonishing events that were free or nearly free.

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2015, 12:03:59 AM »
I can never understand why people chose to live in big cities?

Really. High. Paying. Jobs. Like 200K+ that get you to FIRE fast. :-)

I hate hate hate noise but live in the center of a major US east coast city for this reason.

In 5-7 years, I plan to FIRE with >1M to a rural town on the Colorado Plateau in southern Utah or Western CO, or maybe northern AZ or NM. I love the desert and the landscape. Maybe go RV. Maybe get into vacation rentals with tiny houses servicing a Utah Mighty 5. The solitude of the canyonlands beckons and thrills me. I can't wait be to FI! And dealing with city noise and minimizing it as much as possible is my tactic, which I accomplish by living on a quiet, narrow cobblestone alley (dates to 1794) with no through traffic with mostly upscale neighbors and buying lots of Flents foam earplugs. Based on this thread, I think I hear less noise than some of the rural folks. I sure do seem to hear fewer gunshots. LOL.

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2015, 05:45:32 AM »


This. And very sorry for you, iowajoes. Also agree with Retiredat63: that and more.


To answer the OP: I worked in downtown Seattle and lived in Poulsbo (had 5 horses). Not a quick or cheap commute, but came to love the ferry.

I'm on just over 15 acres, but the lot is fairly skinny/long. I can barely hear cars passing if I'm standing in the front of yard. But I did have an issue where a neighbor that decided to fence 8 feet into my land: on the long side of the property. Tried talking nice, repeatedly. Then went over with a Sawzall and cut all the posts down. When he tried to put them back up, sheriff.


It's not a real solution to a lot of sound, but there are many soundproofing options for walls: one is soundboard, but you can also diy with cleaned egg cartons and foam. I lived in a triplex I owned and the woman next door had a baby. I had a contractor come soundboard the 17ft high walls the next day. Worth it.

Depending on your lot, you can also landscape a lot of issues away. Expensive but permanent solution is stone: a rock wall is best. Or even just the stack 'em up brick kind of thing waist high, with dense plantings will buffer/deflect sound.

When I can no longer deal with all the ranch work I will have to move to town....dread that day. I will soundboard the mother I buy to within an inch of it's life, and plant MEGA huge planters to keep noise at bay.

Good luck!


A buddy of mine lives in PB and commutes to Seattle. He had a similar issue with his neighbor and last we talked, they still didn't seem to get along. The neighbor tries to strike up conversation with my friend but my friend is still so pissed at his antics (and rightfully so) that he completely ignores him, even in front of others.

We had neighbors cows get out and come onto our property when I was growing up, we lived on 10 acres. We also had neighbors with constant aggression over who had a right to use the dirt road that led up to our property.

What a few other posters noted about how their area was ideal until the bad neighbors moved in, or the area got developed rings very true. Unless you are are he base of Mt. Rainier, you likely will not escape the development in this lifetime.

I know we are not the only ones. When you google it, there are many others who have these issues. It's still better to live in the country where you enjoy peace for a while. I thought buying a house in an expensive area with an HOA was the solution, but the HOA has proven to be next to useless.

At least living in a house doesn't have as many noise issues as an apartment, though I will say, the apartment I lived in for 10 years was quiet. Then I lived in two other apartments in one year in Seattle and OMG, no sound insulation at all. I could hear the neighbor below me unravel the toilet paper to wipe their butt! Don't get me started on the stomping neighbor from above.

In any case, living in a house has removed some of the issues, like the noise issues that come with shared walls, but then you have the issues that come with people having garages, driveways and yards where they and their kids are constantly out playing loud music, running a saw or grinder, etc.

I have to come up with a solution to this. Part of the problem is my gf has a commute to Bellevue but doesn't make that much. In her mind, she thinks $19 an hour is great, but for a 1 to 1.5 hour commute to Bellevue from where we are now (not that far, just traffic...) it's not. She is not going to want to move to the sticks with a longer commute, and she doesn't want to change jobs. She was talking about  finding a job closer to home until she got a better boss. Alas, I may have to decide to move and hope she joins me, because I don't find it reasonable to limit my options for sanity when I make 4-5 times as much, just so she can stay close to a job that really doesn't pay well for the area...
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I'm not in Poulsbo or even WA now, but it was odd. Someone called animal control on me twice about my horses, which was infuriating. The guy came out, said "where's your hay?" and I pointed to over a ton of high quality hay out of the rain on a  roofed shed porch. Then he said, "Where are the horses?" And I pointed at the small barn they were in for the night: appears someone thought the horses were out in the rain, oh my. Well, they were in the rain while I was at work---go figure, it rains in WA---but they slept in the barn at night. Once would have been annoying, as the person only had to stop by to see that. Twice was insane.

Don't know what your SO does, but there are no jobs in Poulsbo that probably make that until you get to management levels or perhaps government. Or sales.

As far as her wanting to move to the country....um....it's an acquired taste. Think shoes. I rarely wear heels but had to a few times: had to either wear my muck boots down to the gate, get out in the gravel (mud, in WA) open the gate, drive through, get out lock the gate...then change into the heels because hopping in/out of the truck in the gravel shreds the heels.

When my Dad was alive I brought him out here and he freaked, having lived in NYC his whole life. "There's nothing out here! What if you wanted to get a cup of coffee? Order Chinese or pizza delivered? Run to the corner store for butter: you don't even have corners!!! There's nobody around." He hated it.

I'd keep looking before I tried to do a Green Acres on her. I know that south of Seattle on I-5 there were some farm-y areas but to buy they would be insanely expensive, for what you get.

A better idea might be to sign on as caretakers or gatekeepers in a rural outfit that wants someone around for security...hard to come by those but you usually get free (hideous) housing.

Or you could maybe coach her into a more lucrative position? Thing is that once you like your boss (rare) and your co-workers, the intrinsic value of being happy at work is hard to put a number on. She probably feels it's worth it, as it's an ok prevailing wage and she's happy.

Good luck!

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2015, 09:51:21 AM »
Re this idyllic country life you are all discussing:

You are responsible for water and sewage - when your well pump goes out on Good Friday, have fun.  When your front yard starts to stink, you have a new leach field to pay for - or like people I once knew found out, the septic tank that was supposed to come with your house did not exist, all your house sewage was gong into a grey water well and you are about to spend $20,000+.
Your electricity will be billed as "rural low density", this is any company's most expensive rate.
Be sure there is county garbage and recycling pickup, or you will have the dump hours memorized.  And they are not set for your convenience.  And check location, if the next municipality's dump is closer, you will not be able to use it.
Country people get up early, you get machine noises at 6:30.
Woodpeckers like the sound of beak on metal - that could be your TV antenna getting pounded on at 6:30 AM.
Roosters crow regularly, not just once in the morning.
Depending on your area, your quiet country road can have trucks (milk bulk trucks, sewage pump out trucks, big oil tanker trucks, gravel trucks, etc.), tractors and other farm equipment (that take 1.5 road widths so you are doing 5 km behind them), ATVs going super fast, snowmobiles crossing, etc. etc.
Out back will be the snowmobiles.
Snow belt - if you are that isolated, no plow contractor will take your business, because you are too far away from the rest of the clientele (gasoline and time issues), so be ready to clear that lovely long driveway yourself (East Coast people, I really felt for you this past winter).
Noise - along with the birds will be the frogs in the spring, the coyotes howling at night, the raccoons knocking over your garbage cans if you are silly enough to put them out the night before, the baby raccoons crying (unearthly, someone is being tortured sound) because mommy has been away too long, dogs barking (legitimate, there are raccoons in the corn, a deer munching on your apple tree, a strange car coming up your very long driveway).
Hunting season - if you have a dog, how is it with loud noises?  If it hates thunderstorms, you will know when hunting season starts, because your dog will be a quivering pathetic mess.  For weeks.
Smell - farmers spread manure.  Skunks stink after being hit by a car, and if your car runs over a dead one, it will also stink.
Road hazards, depending on area - deer, moose, groundhogs, skunks, raccoons, squirrels, stupid male grouse showing off to a female in the middle of the road, male moose in rut thinking it is annoyed at your truck, etc.

If all this sounds like "no problem", welcome to the country  ;-)

Ahhh, memories! I would take this in a second over neighbors with dogs that bark. Or close neighbors in general. Too bad there is almost no decent 'country' property to be had here. It's actually more pleasant inside the city, which boggles my mind.

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2015, 11:23:07 AM »
...quality does count for something if the arts are a major part of your life - I would find it hard to agree that having a local artists' community in your village is equivalent to being able to visit the Met or MoMA any time I feel like it, or seeing the finest jazz musicians in the world whenever I want to venture downtown.

I hear what you're saying, that you so value these specific experiences. That totally makes sense, and makes Big City living the right choice for some people, absolutely. I will add, though, that I'm happy enough living next to (and eating with, conversing with, hanging in the studios of) the people that create the art presented in those places :)

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2015, 09:57:38 PM »
Don't forget one of the great scourges of living near other people...wind chimes!

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2015, 09:51:55 AM »
Don't forget one of the great scourges of living near other people...wind chimes!

I love wind chimes!!!!

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2015, 10:16:52 AM »
Don't forget one of the great scourges of living near other people...wind chimes!


It really does seem like what bothers one person doesn't bother another, with some exceptions (loud music, etc.). Wind chimes don't bother me at all. Usually dogs don't either, but I know many of my friends go NUTS at the sound of a dog barking.


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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2015, 10:24:12 AM »
The grass is always greener, right? It's a never-ending cycle of being content and then wanting to change. I say settle on a place and work to make it as great as you can. To an extent, you can't control neighbors and passing cars or possible easements made by the state or government in the future, but you can do what you can to make it work. I'd personally rather do this than move continuously.

I live in the "country" although it's not completely rural or in the sticks by any means. I have 1-2 immediate neighbors that are within ~300 feet of me. The only time I am bothered is by their pool parties, family gatherings, or their stupid dogs (which really needs to be fixed, but unfortunately it would be the end of the world to say anything to them).

I am wanting to move, but only because I'm still with my family and driving is getting old. For the record, I don't have really any of the problems, sans dog, that RetiredAt63 mentioned. Not all rural areas are like that at all.

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2015, 10:45:17 AM »
The grass is always greener, right? It's a never-ending cycle of being content and then wanting to change. I say settle on a place and work to make it as great as you can. To an extent, you can't control neighbors and passing cars or possible easements made by the state or government in the future, but you can do what you can to make it work. I'd personally rather do this than move continuously.

I love relocating (new scenery, new people, etc) every couple of years. That would feel "continuous" to some people, but doesn't to me. That feels like "on a natural rhythm" to me. It's intriguing to me that people like staying put for decades (though I get that some really, really do). Again, different strokes.

My current place is the most awesome in my life. There is no grass greener. But I'm aware that things could change: people could move in right next door to me, or louder people could move in across the street, or a two-year construction project could start, or a highway could be built very near me (it's zoned for it). Then I'll move. But for now, nine months in paradise has been so healing, so wonderful.

I did think of this thread last night, when "the noise" was...wind! I starting laughing out loud about how some people won't understand the volume this can reach. But when you're encircled in giant, deciduous trees, apparently a specific type of wind will wake every neighbour up, have all of us wondering what the heck is happening out there, unable to sleep for the rest of the night. (Am I complaining? Nope! Laughing, in wonder, in delight. And yep, it beats bass, dogs, parties...)

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2015, 11:02:50 AM »
I wouldn't mind the actual moving part - I just hate establishing a new network of people. Maybe you're just staying in the same city though?

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2015, 11:18:16 AM »
No, several countries and provinces, many cities/towns. I found it hard to connect in a satisfying way with people in Vancouver (BC), but everywhere else I find my peeps :)

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Re: Is there a place to live without neighbor/noise issues?
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2015, 11:54:41 AM »
I just moved from semi-rural Iowa, where I was tormented by continual lawn mowers, leaf blowers, ATV's, snowblowers, garden tillers, and finally barking dogs down to Kentucky, in a suburb of a medium city.  I LOVE IT so far.  Got a brick home, which is quieter...along with a 6 foot solid fence to block more noise...and the best part, small yards that don't take HOURS to mow, and no basketball hoops on my street (so far).  Although there was a horrifiying area a few blocks away, where there were 6 hoops, all littering the driveways, right next to each other.  Ugh.