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Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« on: February 04, 2014, 03:16:53 PM »
I've seen snippets of threads about this, but no full discussion.  Anybody tried this over an extended period of time?  Results? 

The science on it:  ummm, there's a bunch of crap out there.  The logic:  cut out a few meals a week saves some cash, perhaps it helps reprogram the brain to get out of the societal cycles of eating at specified times of the day, resulting in a slimmer belly and lower grocery costs over time...

I'm about to go into the second week of a weekly, 20-hour fast experiment.  Really simply, one day a week, eat last snack of a night around 10pm then no caloric intake (black coffee is fine, water obviously as well) until roughly 7 or 8pm the next night.  Gonna try for a month and if it seems successful, perhaps try the 36-hour version.  We'll see.  First week was easy enough. 

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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 03:36:43 PM »
helps reprogram the brain to get out of the societal cycles of eating at specified times of the day

this is really it, although I'd argue that anything less than 72+ hours (three full days, 4 nights) doesn't really count since that's about how long you have to go to get past the hunger stage. Once you actually stop being hungry instead of just out-willing hunger, it's a whole 'nother level of enlightenment re: "do I actually need food right now"

No need to do that every week, maybe once every couple months / year. That kind of lesson really sticks with you.

Some other notes:

People on the shorter fast cycles tend to binge their way out of it, which seems counterproductive to any reason for fasting that I can come up with. Not that you necessarily do this, just something to look out for. coming off is often harder than the fast itself.

I'd avoid anything other than water, including the coffee, or tea, artificially sweetened soda, etc. The caffeine especially, but also other things, will fuck with your appetite & metabolism big time.

The only cash you save will be from going hungry at times when you would otherwise eat out or grab fast food, and then eating at home later instead. The fast itself really won't save anything since you will end up eating the same amount overall anyway.

Warn everybody that you're gonna be a grumpy motherfucker for a few days so they don't accidentally end up thinking you're a jerk.

ETA: I think the mental health benefits far outweigh anything else. There are some studies that show intermittent fasting (or calorie restriction in general) can prolong one's lifespan, but you have to start young, fast full days multiple times per week, and do it literally your whole life. Anything less than that doesn't verifiably do anything and could be counterproductive. A good long one every once in a while doesn't hurt anything though and is IMO definitely worth the experience.
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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 07:56:26 PM »
I tried the Ramadan fasting thing out of curiosity once.  You don't eat between dawn and sunset.  It was nice, mentally, not having to think about eating during the day.  It was stressful, though, because I don't really care for eating and this meant I had to stuff my face first thing in the morning (blech).
My tae kwon do teacher does fasting for a day or two at a time.  He says it's like changing your car's oil.  You need to drain the system once in awhile.  I find it incredible because he's teaching like 5 classes a day. 

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2014, 05:50:10 AM »
I think fasting can have great benefits - mainly to do with self-control and realising that some discomfit is perfectly acceptable.

IF is just a trend. Like anything that encourages you to eat less calories it will lead to weight loss if you don't binge like crazy on other days. For some people it works well, not an idea that excites me though.

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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2014, 07:08:23 AM »
I don't think I could do it.  I'm underweight anyway, and after about 13-14 hours, I get dizzy, nauseous, and lethargic.

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2014, 10:33:47 AM »
I have started the cycle of only eating from 11am to 6pm which does qualify as intermittent fasting. I like giving my body a 17 hour break from having to digest food.

I am quite overweight to begin with and always have been and I am female. I have always been a lover of breakfast. Once connecting with a naturopath and nutritionist and being more mindful of my food intake and how it makes me feel I realized eating a 400 calorie breakfast at 7am was teaching MY body to eat every 3 hours. So I would eat at 7am, 10am, 1pm, 4pm and again at 6:30. I found this annoying. Having to pack too many meals/snacks and stopping for food all the time because of hunger pangs and because I was eating so often I always exceeded my appropriate calorie intake.

I have been doing a 500 calorie meal at 11am, eating again at 2pm and then my last meal at 6:30. I do have lemon water, water and black tea in the mornings though. I have only been doing this for a little over two weeks and I greatly enjoy the freedom from food it provides me. I feel my mind is clearer in the mornings and I have more energy throughout the day. I have not weighed myself yet but I can feel my clothes loosening. I have shaved off 500 calories a day while still eating a balanced diet but getting to have things like dark chocolate and homemade goods on the weekend.

People are really big believers in breakfast is the most important meal of the day but I do feel my body is programmed differently than others.

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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2014, 12:01:24 PM »
I follow the alternate day fasting diet where you fast every other day.   It's not true fasting as you eat 500 calories on the fast day.   I've been only doing it for a couple of weeks but it's really easy to stick to.   Here is a link to the researcher's (Dr. Krista Varady) NIH study.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24215592

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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2014, 02:40:29 PM »
I don't think I could do it.  I'm underweight anyway, and after about 13-14 hours, I get dizzy, nauseous, and lethargic.

Leangains.com is a very useful IF site. The guy there uses it as part of muscle-building. Although IF makes it easier for some people to run a deficit, it's not compulsory to do so.



I was on a 2ish to 9ish eating window for a year or two. Loved it, lost weight, gained strength, felt more alert in the mornings (office job). I need to do a more controlled experiment once my new lifestyle gets a routine, but I think I do function better with breakfast on a hard activity day (medium activity like five hours hiking is indifferent, low activity days I'm better when on an IF routine). I've done even more extreme 1 meal a day IFs. While it's kind of fun just demolishing food for two hours, it didn't quite work for me as I found myself wanting to cheat all the time.

My thinking is that whatever works for you is what you should do and self-experimentation is fun.

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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2014, 03:48:24 PM »
Thanks all for the various thoughts, tips, and links.  I will check em all out. 

Have to admit, last week was easier.  If I hadn't had four crackers at 2am to help get to sleep, I'd be at the 19th hour.  But unfortunately, that happened and I gotta hold out a couple more.  The two hours of 4x4 full court b-ball last night and mountain of snow that needed shoveled this morning are resulting in some serious hunger pangs.  Perhaps next week I'll pick a different day.   

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ETA: I think the mental health benefits far outweigh anything else.
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My thinking is that whatever works for you is what you should do and self-experimentation is fun.
  Yeah, especially if you're moderately weird. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2014, 05:17:33 PM »
Fasting is the best thing we can do for our body.

Fasting center-the best in US:
http://www.healthpromoting.com/

The website also has many wonderful articles on fasting.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2014, 10:33:30 PM »
I was just thinking I needed to get back to this again (I'm overweight). I've not done IF extensively but was doing twice weekly 16-18 hours fasts on and off.  I found it hard, but thought it worthwhile: 
-contrary to what I imagined, even though I could eat ad libitum on my evening meal to break the fast, I actually got full on not anymore food than I would normally eat.
- it seemed to reset my appetite..I was less hungry on following days
- it taught me how much eating I do out of habit/boredom/procrastination
-it taught how much time we spend (?waste) preparing food and eating it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2014, 09:31:25 AM »
Hi,

I've been doing the 5:2 Fast diet since last May.  It is the one that Dr. Michael Mosley recommends.  Basically you pick 2 days a week that you only eat 500 calories over a 36 hour period.  (600 cals. for men). 

I have lost approx. 10 to 12 pounds in that time.  Most of the weight lost was within the first 4 to 5 months.  I find it easy to do.  I ate my last meal last night at 6pm.  I will eat breakfast at about 9:30 today.  Some kind of fruit at about 2pm and a dinner of approx. 250 to 300 cals this evening around 6pm.  The rest of the day, I drink plenty of water.  Tomorrow I can eat whatever I want. 

The key to success is really your mindset.  You can do this if you want to.  There are health benefits, time saved by not having to fix meals and financial savings on food/alcohol. 

Since I have stalled on weight loss, I'm going to check out Dr. Krista Varady's book.  Her approach is slighty different and perhaps I just need to fool my body into not thinking it is in danger of starving.  I think that I read somewhere that in her study of humans, the people who ate more fats on their eating days lost more than those who didn't. 

Anyway, the rewards are you should become healthier, weight less, ward off altheimers and save some money.  What's not to love?

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Re: Intermittent Fasting - Economic/Health Benefits?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 02:39:14 PM »
I don't follow a super strict 'IF' diet but I am starting to eat only at night either way. I just read The Warrior Diet and he says that it's alright to have some veggies and fruit throughout the day the eat most of your food in a 5 hour span at night.

My fiance and I started 2 weeks ago. It's INSANE how emotional eating is... my body has really adapted to this though and it's so awesome to be free/not have to have lunch during the day.

I'd say go for it! It's tough but it's worth it in the end. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2014, 12:00:49 PM »
Yeah, that's the bit I like (at least when working in an office) not having to mess around with breakfast and lunch.

That said, I'm about to have a massive plate of bacon and eggs for breakfast because if I do eat breakfast I'm going to do it right :)