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Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« on: April 23, 2018, 10:08:04 AM »
Thanks for any comments on this mystery -

I switched to TracFone smartphone and pay-as-you-go card for minutes, data, text.  I pay cash for the cards. 

It's been an experiment to see if I can cut down on spam callers and track where my phone number has been leaked as it is not connected to my true name.  And I want to pay as little as possible for phone service.

Everything worked fine with the flip phone.  I switched to a TracFone smartphone last month to enjoy podcasts and I've noticed around 10 or more minutes a week evaporating from the account.

I make almost all calls using wifi.  I don't answer the phone if the caller is not already someone to whom I have given the number and placed in my Contact list.

TracFone support says my account is working properly but they will not go into my calling history to see what I am talking about. 

No kids around and no possibility of someone else having access to phone. 

Can someone be hacking my account?

If that is the case, I'll just have TracFone change the phone number.  I just moved and have few contacts so updating them wouldn't be much of a hassle.

I'm obviously low tech so I really appreciate your help and ideas so I can understand is going on.

Thanks!


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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2018, 10:29:28 AM »
I make almost all calls using wifi.

By make all calls via WiFi, do you mean through a WiFi calling feature on the phone itself, or and entirely separate service, such as Google Voice? If it's a WiFi calling feature through the phone like what T-Mobile offers, you're still billed minutes used.

It's also worth noting that depending on the TracFone plan, texts and mobile data are dinged as credit against your minutes as well. That's one of the big problems with their proprietary handsets with the built in credit counters.

Beyond that, if you're not using phone built-in WiFi calling or any texting at all and mobile data is turned off? Good luck with that! Changing your number won't solve anything, and will likely make your situation worse. The pool of numbers that TracFone holds and the policies in place for recycling those numbers and putting them back in service so quickly brings with it a whole other world of pain. I tried that once nearly a decade ago, the number they gave me had been out of service less than three weeks. Friends of the previous number owner were convinced I stole the guy's phone and proceeded to harass me and leave death threats on my voicemail. Had to file a police report. Why didn't I just change my number? There's another nightmare that doesn't even get into the billing issues and the terrible customer service both I and my wife experienced while there, either.

When TracFone works, it just works. But when you run into problems?

There's a lot of reasons why of all the MNVOs out there, I don't recommend anything owned by America Movil. I don't talk much about these experiences, as I prefer to deal with the concrete issues. Bad terms of service, vendor lock-in, bad support, billing issues... instead of getting personal with the tales and first hand experiences. I've tried diligently to not directly talk about them in such negative light beyond just the facts of record.... but sometimes, you just gotta be honest about it. There's a reason why there are so many complaints out there for the company. End of the day though, those experiences contributed to my wanting to write the communications guide in the first place. Help people find less terrible providers on a budget.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 10:32:26 AM by Daley »

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2018, 02:08:57 PM »
Hi, Daley

Thanks for all your help!  I took a look at your website - a lot of good information there.

After several Online Chats with TracFone, it turns out they won't allow wifi calling on my phone (and perhaps not on any of their phones).

So even though I am set up with Google Voice, Hangouts, and Hangout Dialer (with proper settings in place) the calls are all counting against my minutes.

Arrrrgh.  I even had a computer tech make certain all the settings on the phone were correct.

Can you suggest a smartphone I could buy without a cell service plan and just use for wifi?  Wifi calling, radio, podcast listening?

Or, if that doesn't exist, a pay-as-you-go tracfone competitor that will allow me to make wifi calls?

Many thanks for your help!

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 02:58:44 PM »
How much are you averaging mostly now with your usage?

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2018, 07:25:00 AM »
I've been with TracFone since 2007 with almost no problems, that I can recall. I've used my TracFone smartphone to make wifi calls with the Google Voice app or the Hangouts app. Go into those apps and check the settings to make sure it's not tapping into voice or data to route the calls. Check your Google Voice account settings too to make sure the calls aren't being routed to your cell phone number.

You can use any smartphone (that is not even activated as a cell phone) on wifi as a mini tablet. I'm on one right now, a 6 inch phone that I got to use as a only a WiFi tablet, it has never been used with a SIM card in it.

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2018, 10:24:11 AM »
Thanks for your tips!

Total phone time is around 1-2 hours a month.  It seems that every chore call (make Dr appointment, change car insurance to new address, etc) takes around25 min with all the time spent on hold. 

Itwould be nice to spend more time on the phone calling old friends with unlimited minutes or Voip.

Target is where I purchased the smartphone for $16.  I'll go and ask them to show me how to remove the sim card.  If I can make wifi calls with the sim card out, I may just put the sim card back in my flip phone.  I can go back to receiving calls that way. 

My phone is only used at home.  I don't carry it around like everyone else.  An old phone with no sim card is kept in the car for any emergency.

Using the smartphone for radio and podcast listening and checking weather is what I enjoy.  Otherwise, a computer with a large monitor is preferred.

The TracFone smartphone is new although an older (6 month - 1 year?) model.  Perhaps TracFone learned it was losing money to Hangout Dialer and other wifi calling apps and placed blocking tech inside the phones.  That could explain why eostache's older phone allows wifi calling.

A report on whether wifi calling works on the TracFone with no sim card will be posted today or tomorrow.


 

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2018, 08:33:57 PM »
I would visit Howard forums for a better answer. There's a specific tracfone forum.

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2018, 09:40:31 AM »
Report: Hangouts Dialer doesn't work if the sim card is removed.

Drat.

Inline -  by Howard do you mean Clark Howard?  I didn't know his website has forums.  I'll go take a look right now.  Thanks!

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Re: Input, please. My TracFone account is bleeding minutes
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2018, 11:44:02 AM »
Report: Hangouts Dialer doesn't work if the sim card is removed.

Drat.

Inline -  by Howard do you mean Clark Howard?  I didn't know his website has forums.  I'll go take a look right now.  Thanks!
No I mean Howard Forums it's a mobile phone community that is pretty active.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!