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zaratekid86

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immediate car help. please
« on: May 02, 2016, 10:34:27 AM »
Ok, i have a 2011 ford focus. I owe 7k on it.. and trade in is probably about 5k if i'm lucky.

my clutch and or tranny is going out. I'm pretty sure it's my clutch. Should i try and get it repaired or opt to trade it in and get something more dependable. I need a car for work by tomorrow. .. im sure ill lose a couple thousand and add more debt into my life if I trade it in. But the feeling of an undependable car drives me crazy..

i could opt to get it repaired and buy a $1000 junker and drive it till my focus gets fixed but can I depend on a $1000 car???


thanks in advance

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2016, 10:55:35 AM »
How long of a commute? If its 50 miles on way then maybe trade it in. If we are talking 5 miles, then do you even need a car?

Overall, I would say fix the focus, then rent a car for a few days while it gets fixed. Then, when not in emergency survival mode, come up with a plan to replace your Focus.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 11:04:17 AM »
A clutch isn't a huge deal. To some extent, it's a wear item. Has the car been unreliable other than the current problem?

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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 11:34:13 AM »
First of all, you should make sure you've got your diagnosis correct: a clutch wears out pretty gradually: it slips more and more until it becomes hard to get the car moving (it revs as if it were in neutral, even in gear). If your problem has more sudden symptoms, it's likely some other problem (e.g. the clutch hydraulic system sprung a leak, the clutch disk shattered and jammed in the bellhousing so you suddenly can't shift gears at all, etc.). If the problem is indeed with the hydraulics or the linkage or something like that, it's possible it could be fixed a lot less expensively than a transmission swap or clutch replacement would cost.

Second, a clutch is an item designed to wear, like brakes and tires. It's just a relatively expensive, one, on a relatively long replacement cycle. IMO, normal maintenance is hardly ever a good reason to get rid of a car -- you should simply have been budgeting for it all along.

That said, unless you've put a lot of miles on it (and not freeway miles, either -- city miles, involving starting and stopping), like to drag race and dump the clutch, or just suck at driving, I wouldn't expect the clutch on a 5-year-old car to be anywhere close to worn out yet. (Speaking of which.... do you still have a warranty?)

Third, a clutch replacement on a Focus should probably cost $1000 or less (as long as you know better than to take it to the dealer, who would inevitably gouge you for some ridiculously high price). My wild guess on manual transmission replacement would be $2000 or less. Either way, IMO not an amount large enough to justify getting rid of the car over.


I need a car for work by tomorrow. .. im sure ill lose a couple thousand and add more debt into my life if I trade it in.

This is an example of how structuring your lifestyle to be resilient to shocks can save you money (and conversely, how failing to do so can cost you money).

For example, I wouldn't have this particular problem because I ride a bike to work. If my bike broke I could fix it. If I couldn't fix it, I could ride one of my several other bikes. If that weren't an option I could drive to work (in either of two cars, neither of which are "normally" required for commuting). And if all that failed, I could take public transit. Finally, in any situation ridiculous enough to knock out all forms of transportation, I could telecommute.

Because I have even a fraction of that redundancy, I don't have to be rushed into expensive decisions when my stuff breaks.

I'm not saying this to try to make you feel bad, just pointing it out so that you can give some thought not just to solving your immediate problem, but preventing similar problems from reoccurring in the future.

i could opt to get it repaired and buy a $1000 junker and drive it till my focus gets fixed but can I depend on a $1000 car???

If you just need a car until your Focus gets repaired, it probably makes more sense to rent a car for the couple of days the repair would take. (You should make sure up front that whatever shop you take it to could get the repair completed in a timely fashion, of course.) Or find somebody to bum a ride from, or bike, or take transit, or take Uber, or even call in sick if it comes to that.

Yes, reasonably-dependable $1000 cars exist. However, finding such a car given the extremely small amount of time you have to look for it would be very difficult. Remember, not only would the dependable car have to be among the small number of choices available in your immediate vicinity at this specific point in time, you'd need to already have the mechanical skills to recognize it as such to pick it out from the chaff of unreliable $1000 cars. (And if you had those skills today, you probably wouldn't be asking this question in the first place.)

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 11:39:13 AM »
Make friends with people who know how to replace a clutch. Buy them a couple cases of beer, and tell them to teach you how to replace the clutch.

Not that hard to do yourself IN MOST CARS.

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 11:44:46 AM »
You're not giving near enough information to base an applicable specific answer.

5K trade in?  KBB says 7.5 to 9.5K.  But that assumes working clutch and tranny.
Does it have a boat load of miles?  Which means it's been reliable and reasonable to replace the clutch.  If that's what the problem is - you don't give any symptoms so can't even speculate.
Or have you beat it to shit or don't really know how to drive a stick and/or not done routine maintenance?  Then lots of things can be bad and will just get worse.

First, do not take it to a Ford dealer for service.   Dealers usually charge the most.  To pay for that free coffee...
Call independent service garages.  See if any of them offer a loaner vehicle.  Even if they charge more, it's almost certain it'll be cheaper than renting a car.
If you have to rent a car, google (et all) for rent-a-wreck and economy auto rental.  Ask the shop how long it will take to get your car back - it may sit for a few days before they can get to it.  Ask the car rental for their weekly rates and figure out what works best for you. Ask if you can extend the rental in case the shop has trouble getting a part.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 12:29:40 PM »
This is your only means of transportation?

(What's Ford's powertrain warranty like these days?)

I can't stand an unreliable car, and neither dh nor myself enjoys working on cars. As a result, a dependable car is a high priority to us, and we budget for that.

If the car has otherwise been reliable and well cared for, I'd get it fixed. We replaced the transmission in a Ford Caravan about 6 months after it was out of warranty, and I was so mad at the time, but we actually had that van for another 10 years and 100,000 miles. It ended up being held together by bungee cords and duct tape, but we sure got our money's worth out of that rebuilt transmission.

I would not buy a $1000 used car unless I was very, very fond of doing car repairs.

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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 01:05:44 AM »
We replaced the transmission in a Ford Caravan

So was it a Ford or a Caravan? 

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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2016, 04:52:58 AM »
LOL - sorry - shows how interesting I find cars! It was whatever a Caravan is. We bought it used, so I never associated it with a dealer. (We call our current car The Subaru, but the van was just The Van.)

It was definitely worth fixing, though I wasn't entirely convinced at the time.

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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 05:39:24 AM »
I reckon it's worth fixing. A 2011 Focus should have another decade left in it.

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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 06:51:45 PM »
The current gen Focus is known for transmission problems. I'd fix it and dump it for a reliable car.

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 06:02:32 AM »
5K trade in?  KBB says 7.5 to 9.5K. 

Please................... I know that it's common to hear friends and family quote vehicle "values" from websites, but this is (allegedly) a site full of financially savvy folks, FFS. If you are engaging in any personal finance calculations, be it net worth, or "should I dump this car", the worst place to get any idea of what your vehicle is worth is looking at online valuation sites, and KBB is the absolute worst!

I know the buyer for a local, high volume used car operation. He said that not a week goes by that somebody isn't stomping out the door, all pissed that he tried to "rob" them. The reason? He offered them a fair value for their used car, and they have a printout from KBB for 25-40% more. On occasion, he even gets lucky enough to walk them to a matching vehicle, on his lot, that he is selling for thousands BELOW the number that KBB gave them. The OP's situation, and the claim of a trade in value of 7.5 to 9.5K is just another example. A quick Cars.com search in my area finds twelve manual trans. Focus's, on dealers lots, for ASKING prices below $9k. Some have low miles, and all are 2012 models. Depending on the miles and condition, $5K is probably exactly what the trade value is. Finding these things privately, in the $5-6K range, is easy. I know, I bought two of them for my kids. They were both four years old, reasonable miles and condition, and both were less than $6K.