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« on: August 28, 2022, 03:28:14 PM »
If you could live anywhere in the US, where would you head?  Any rationale beyond "it's where I live now" or "it's where my job is" would interest me.  (The answer can absolutely be the place you currently live, if you love the place for reasons beyond inertia.)

Possible big life changes on the horizon, and they may include being able to choose where we live, or at least narrow down options to concentrate on a handful of areas.  I find this terribly exciting, but also entirely overwhelming. 

Right now, my dream location would probably be Coronado, CA, except that it is just way, way too expensive to buy or rent there so it probably wouldn't be in contention unless DH continues working and get a job that pays an insane amount.  But I love the culture, I love a "small town Main Street" feel but with absolutely everything a big city has to offer within about 30 minutes.  Nearly perfect weather year round keeps me happier and healthier.  (I'm very sensitive to both heat and cold, and also quite reactive to mosquito bites so in Virginia I basically only go outside about 2 months of the year.  lol)  Being able to stroll to the beach and walk it, within about 10 minutes, is an extra bonus.  Traffic sucks, but you can walk (or golf cart) just about anywhere.  If only a moderate house didn't cost $2m!  (Climate change is also a concern, though we'd likely be living far enough from the beach--$2m doesn't get you close to the sand!--that it wouldn't be as significant a factor.)

Where would you go, and why?  What are the pros and cons of your choice? 


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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2022, 03:51:28 PM »
Good question, b/c I literally can't choose.  My husband and I both have lived in, traveled to, and are attached in some way to so many great locations; and both dislike where we live (for his career). But now that we are attempting to figure out where to go for his retirement, we are really struggling and finding that there are big downsides to nearly all our ideas, and practical considerations are likely going to almost totally dictate where we go.

If money was no object at all, I've flirted with the idea of living on the Big Island of Hawaii, in one of the small towns near Melbourne or Sydney, in San Diego or Monterey CA, and in Santa Fe NM (or just bumming around Europe, which I've never visited, slow travel style). I also am very attached to places in the Caribbean (though I wouldn't want to live there unless I had a job I liked), and to Northern California (Mount Shasta area). I also really liked Virginia, where my sister lives.

But honestly, if money was no object I'd most likely be a snowbird (or as my husband says, Neotropical migrant), with one house in Wisconsin or the Pacific NW and one in Tucson AZ.

Realistically, we looked at Oregon (very expensive for retirees, gloomy weather, full of his relatives that he wants to avoid), Tucson (was our default option for years until the western states started fighting over water issues b/c of the megadrought, and AZ looks to get its water allotment cut back to something like what it was using when I first started college there, back in 1990! only with a much bigger population). Plus real estate remained super affordable there until about 3 years ago, when it shot up incredibly.  So that's looking much less likely.

Our friends are scattered all over, but we are considering Silver City NM realistically, b/c of several friends there and it being still fairly affordable. But again, megadrought and water issues, plus wildfire risk (yay). Also a pain, the need to travel to Tucson or Phoenix for specialized medical care (which I need a fair amount of). Still, my friend who lives there does that every 2-3 months, and it's not like it sucks to go to Tucson, so, this remains a live possibility.

My one sister is in Virginia, which is beautiful and probably affordable, but my husband has negated anything in the Southeast on principle. My other family is still in Wisconsin, so that's a live possibility, but the winters fucking suck there. Plus, it's crazy expensive around Madison, but the property up north is starting to climb in value too (and is likely to do even more in the coming decades as rich people flee climate change related weather issues). On the other hand, no pending climate-change-related water shortage or dangerous heat waves on the horizon.

We'd likely have a lot more options if we were not also supporting my mother, but housing is going to have to include her somehow in a way that we are either not in the same building, or at least we have very private areas of the house, which means not a small  house (apart from this issue, we'd be fine doing a more affordable 2/1.5 type of house.  But as it is, it might be that cost of real estate limits us to very few options (or keeps us here in Texas where housing is so cheap). I hope not, though. A few more years will tell, lots of things are currently in flux with exactly how long my husband will work, and also whether I will inherit any share in a valuable property in the next few years, which could potentially change our equation a bit.

So short answer, I'm not sure.

ETA: I realize I didn't include any explanation as to WHY I love certain locations.  Answer is, 90% of the time, landscape/nature related.  I dislike being in the very conservative social/political area I'm in, but I could tolerate that if the land wasn't such a bleak disaster zone (plus, no public land here!)
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2022, 03:58:46 PM »
There's a problem with this question: The "if you could live anywhere" part implies that we are removing some obstacle to actually living there.

For example, we'll assume housing prices are the same as where you currently reside, or houses are free everywhere! I might try mansion life if it was free, or be the Beverly Hillbilly in a rich neighborhood if all things were equal. We can suspend more and more aspects of reality to make the move even more of a fantasy: We can write hurricanes and earthquakes out of the story. We can imagine everyone in the area we move to is reasonable, friendly, and similar to ourselves in ways that make connection easy. Why not presume that the West isn't running out of water, or that climate change will make many places uninhabitable within our lifetimes, and that millions of refugees won't be heading to northern climes within the next few decades, Maybe the thing about the place that would really improve our quality of life would be access to healthcare services, but everywhere in the U.S. is getting worse in this area except for anyone who doesn't have massive amounts of money.

If constrained by reality (e.g. you have to pay market price for a house, face natural disasters, and live with the policies enacted by the voters around you) then my maximizing choices would be very different. The 3000 square foot beach house near the ski slopes would be out, and a pragmatic but small midwestern Arts and Crafts duplex, restored to its original perfection in a neighborhood where kids play on the sidewalks, would be in.

If we removed the constraint about the U.S. then I might look very hard at places in Europe where there is an intersection between lifestyles that lead to physical fitness and availability of heatlhcare. Not turning out like the "average" American - broke and barely able to walk by the time they reach 60 - would be ideal.

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2022, 04:29:21 PM »
I really like where we live now, and might well choose to stay here if we won the lottery, but I might move to New Mexico instead...

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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2022, 05:04:36 PM »
I am incredibly happy with where I am at in NW washington.   It helps that my friends and family are all here and I've essentially lived my whole life here, besides 4 years for University studies, so i might be biased but it is awesome here and my town often pops up on "top" lists and FIRE dream town discussions.  I'm not sure I'd choose anywhere else but Idaho & Montana do seem quite nice the times I've spent a few days there.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2022, 05:11:53 PM »
I don’t really know how to answer this question, because to me it implies: a) money being no object; and b) being able to leave whenever it is no longer pleasant to live there.

With money as no object and being able to enjoy whatever I wanted, and to leave whenever I wanted, for wherever I wanted? NYC.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2022, 05:16:32 PM »
New Hampshire or Maine.  Beautiful, cool weather.  Wonderful falls.  Love the independent spirit of both places, and the beautiful nature.  In retirement, I wouldn’t mind the snow, could stay inside by the fireplace and relax, or head south for the winter.  I like the spirit of these places - civilized but not too liberal, and reasonably low cost of living, and the ability to have a lot of land.

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2022, 05:19:56 PM »
But also, maybe I'd buy a beach house on Sanibel and enjoy it before it's under water. I do love the beach.

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2022, 05:20:40 PM »
Del Mar CA
Rancho Santa Fe CA
Coronado CA
Laguna Beach CA
Maui HI

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2022, 05:44:56 PM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2022, 05:51:36 PM »
There's a problem with this question: The "if you could live anywhere" part implies that we are removing some obstacle to actually living there.

For example, we'll assume housing prices are the same as where you currently reside, or houses are free everywhere! I might try mansion life if it was free, or be the Beverly Hillbilly in a rich neighborhood if all things were equal. We can suspend more and more aspects of reality to make the move even more of a fantasy: We can write hurricanes and earthquakes out of the story. We can imagine everyone in the area we move to is reasonable, friendly, and similar to ourselves in ways that make connection easy. Why not presume that the West isn't running out of water, or that climate change will make many places uninhabitable within our lifetimes, and that millions of refugees won't be heading to northern climes within the next few decades, Maybe the thing about the place that would really improve our quality of life would be access to healthcare services, but everywhere in the U.S. is getting worse in this area except for anyone who doesn't have massive amounts of money.

If constrained by reality (e.g. you have to pay market price for a house, face natural disasters, and live with the policies enacted by the voters around you) then my maximizing choices would be very different. The 3000 square foot beach house near the ski slopes would be out, and a pragmatic but small midwestern Arts and Crafts duplex, restored to its original perfection in a neighborhood where kids play on the sidewalks, would be in.

If we removed the constraint about the U.S. then I might look very hard at places in Europe where there is an intersection between lifestyles that lead to physical fitness and availability of heatlhcare. Not turning out like the "average" American - broke and barely able to walk by the time they reach 60 - would be ideal.

Okay, rephrase as "since you could live anywhere in the US,"  though for some of our posters that may not be the case.   I think things like market price, natural disasters, and public policy, are covered by the "pros and cons" portion of the questions. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2022, 01:37:03 AM »
spring (April-May), fall (Oct-Nov): RVing North America

winter (Dec-Mar): tropical- ancestral home in SE Asia / southern Florida

summer (June-Sept): RVing North America West Coast / current home in SF Bay Area

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2022, 06:26:14 AM »
I really love New England and would probably stay here or at least in the northeast (New England doesn't technically include NY but there are several areas in NY that I would also consider).  Currently have a beach shack on the CT shore line in a small town which I really enjoy, but other places where I would love to have a shack include the Lake Placid area of upstate NY, some of the Hudson River towns, Burlington VT/Lake Champlain area, North Conway NH, Nantucket (if money were no object) or Vineyard Haven, Cape Cod (Wellfleet/Eastham area or Chatham if money were no object) eastern North Fork of Long Island around Southhold/Greenport, Newport RI or environs (some of these would be if we ignore climate change), the Litchfield hills of CT and/or the Berkshires in MA, northern coast of Maine.  Plus maybe a sailboat large enough to live on during the worst part of the winter and go south.

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2022, 07:11:31 AM »
IRL I would not move from where I am, because my three married kids and all my grandchildren live within two blocks of me. But if they didn't exist, I might move to Buffalo, NY. We lived there when we were first married. It's big enough to have the cultural amenities I want, but small enough to feel more cosy than a really big city. Plus, I love snow.

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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2022, 08:05:28 AM »
I would go live by the library in Hoboken NJ if I could live anywhere. Hoboken is cute and very walkable. It's a party town but still has quiet pockets of older rowhomes. It's close enough to NYC that you can get there in minutes on the train or by bus. Con is that it's very expensive.

My backup city is where I plan to live: Baltimore MD. It's much cheaper than NYC or DC but still has a lot of interesting things going on. The weather is muggy in the summer but otherwise it's pretty good all year. The cold doesn't last long at all in the winter. I like that it's close enough to DC, NYC, Philly, and the beach to make weekend or day trips to somewhere else very feasible. I used to live in the Midwest and hated that I could drive for 8 hours and not really get anywhere different. Everything on the east coast is much closer together and more accessible by train, which is a big appeal for me.

I'd also like to live in Lewes DE for a time. If I was the kind of person to have a second home, that's where it would be. It's my ideal cute beach town. Cons are that it's probably pretty dead in the winter and that you'd have to be ok with tourists during the peak summer season. I think it'd be fun though and the beach has never been crowded when I've gone in the mornings in the summer. Most people seem to show up around noon and that's when I head out to go get lunch and ice cream. :D

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2022, 09:17:07 AM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2022, 09:41:55 AM »
I'm going through the same calculus, @Villanelle. Here are my current considerations:

1. Does the state consider me a full human being?
2. If the answer is currently yes, then is the state in danger of deciding I'm not a human being in the foreseeable future?

If the answers to 1 & 2 are satisfactory, then the next level of importance is:

3. Will my pension be taxed by the state?
4. Is the state projected to experience increased extreme weather, heat, or drought due to global warming? The answer to most states is 'yes,' so I put some vague, back of the napkin qualitative math into "how much is too much."
5. Snow!!?
6. Am I willing to live in, or near, the cities that will have VA healthcare?

For me, these questions have lead me towards the northern part of the NE. Right now my top contenders are Maine, Vermont, & New Hampshire, but I gotta say that eastern Connecticut is growing on me.  I think I'll end up renting in my top pick for a year or two, then see how the winds take me. What heady freedom!

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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2022, 09:51:48 AM »
I'm going through the same calculus, @Villanelle. Here are my current considerations:

1. Does the state consider me a full human being?
2. If the answer is currently yes, then is the state in danger of deciding I'm not a human being in the foreseeable future?

If the answers to 1 & 2 are satisfactory, then the next level of importance is:

3. Will my pension be taxed by the state?
4. Is the state projected to experience increased extreme weather, heat, or drought due to global warming? The answer to most states is 'yes,' so I put some vague, back of the napkin qualitative math into "how much is too much."
5. Snow!!?
6. Am I willing to live in, or near, the cities that will have VA healthcare?

For me, these questions have lead me towards the northern part of the NE. Right now my top contenders are Maine, Vermont, & New Hampshire, but I gotta say that eastern Connecticut is growing on me.  I think I'll end up renting in my top pick for a year or two, then see how the winds take me. What heady freedom!

RE: 6, will you need access to VA healthcare?  All of the Olds I know that are retired have TFL (Tricare for Life) and use the VA for almost nothing.  (I think my dad, for example, goes there for his hearing aids because, as I understand it, since his hearing loss is service-connected, they are much cheaper.  But for everything else, he and my mom see civilian providers, even though they live >45 minutes from a base and also from VA care.)  They pay very low co-pays for things so it is worth $9 for a prescription, etc., to choose their providers.  That's my approximate plan.

Now if I can just get DH to sign off on pulling the plug, even if that means he gets a civilian job instead of full retirement.  I'm tired.  The Navy has been doing a great job lately of arguing my case, by repeatedly kicking him in the metaphorical testicles.  Hate seeing it happen, but I know it strengthens my GTFO case!

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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2022, 10:34:45 AM »
Bellingham, WA.  Not coincidentally, that's where we moved to after we asked this question of ourselves, and began investigating, about 5 years ago.  >1 year in, it hasn't disappointed.  Not without its problems, but pretty much as good as we could expect, given our priorities and desired lifestyle. 

Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara. 

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2022, 10:48:12 AM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

I'd like to hear more about this.

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2022, 11:52:42 AM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

I'd like to hear more about this.

Willful, proud ignorance. Disdain and distrust of education. Disregard of human rights. Dismissal of women and children as lesser beings, and lets not even discuss how the disabled, mentally ill, or LGTBQ+ are treated. The casual cruelty to and disregard of animals. Suspicion of, or lack of interest in, anything different. Lack of diversity - in people, ideas, foods, clothing, anything. Lack of public investment in infrastructure, education, the arts. All just in passing, hinted at. There aren't usually big, obvious things.

These things are corrosive. They wear you down. And I live in a purple area, so it's blunted for me. I can tell you who lives in red areas on this forum. I won't, but I could. It shows.

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2022, 12:07:21 PM »
Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara.

I'm starting to wonder if my retirement income will support a pied-a-tier in Boston or Washington DC. It turns out I hate, hate, hate living in the city (crowd, noise, chaos, traffic, trash, rats, casual cruelty) but I also really enjoy living in the city (the crowd! The transportation! The food! The convenience! The energy!).

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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2022, 12:19:00 PM »
If money was absolutely no object and the location HAD to be in the USA, it would probably be HI or CA for us. Weather and access to nature/outdoor activities is our #1 priority.

That being said, if it didn't have to be in the US.....I would run like hell =D

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2022, 12:24:10 PM »
We are looking to FIRE to the Tennessee side of the Smoky Mountains.   That would be my choice.   Love to hike and having some of the best hiking available close by would be heaven.   Add the lack of state income tax and dirt cheap property taxes (having lived in Nashville for five years I do agree with Sibley's point about red states not taking care of their citizens, but once FIRE'd our needs are low if we have the income to do what we need from investments) and this is what swings us away from the North Carolina side.   We still have four seasons, which we love, but the bitter cold and massive snow we have now is not something we'd miss from up north. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2022, 12:36:48 PM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

I'd like to hear more about this.

Willful, proud ignorance. Disdain and distrust of education. Disregard of human rights. Dismissal of women and children as lesser beings, and lets not even discuss how the disabled, mentally ill, or LGTBQ+ are treated. The casual cruelty to and disregard of animals. Suspicion of, or lack of interest in, anything different. Lack of diversity - in people, ideas, foods, clothing, anything. Lack of public investment in infrastructure, education, the arts. All just in passing, hinted at. There aren't usually big, obvious things.

These things are corrosive. They wear you down. And I live in a purple area, so it's blunted for me. I can tell you who lives in red areas on this forum. I won't, but I could. It shows.

Yeah, it's mostly psychological challenges, not life-challenges, for us, but we are white, relatively high income, etc.

One of the things that wears us out is the religiosity. Crosses in every third place of business, religious signs on walls of businesses, doctors that finish your appointment by asking if they can pray with you (or pray with you before your surgery!). Christian (ONLY) prayers printed in every news publication, public prayers required before every civic event, etc.

This is in a major university city btw. It's skin crawling.

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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2022, 12:39:06 PM »
Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara.

I'm starting to wonder if my retirement income will support a pied-a-tier in Boston or Washington DC. It turns out I hate, hate, hate living in the city (crowd, noise, chaos, traffic, trash, rats, casual cruelty) but I also really enjoy living in the city (the crowd! The transportation! The food! The convenience! The energy!).

Same here.  I'm contemplating something walking distance from the far end of public transit outside of Boston or D.C. for this reason.

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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2022, 12:41:50 PM »
Good question, b/c I literally can't choose.  My husband and I both have lived in, traveled to, and are attached in some way to so many great locations; and both dislike where we live (for his career). But now that we are attempting to figure out where to go for his retirement, we are really struggling and finding that there are big downsides to nearly all our ideas, and practical considerations are likely going to almost totally dictate where we go.

If money was no object at all, I've flirted with the idea of living on the Big Island of Hawaii, in one of the small towns near Melbourne or Sydney, in San Diego or Monterey CA, and in Santa Fe NM (or just bumming around Europe, which I've never visited, slow travel style). I also am very attached to places in the Caribbean (though I wouldn't want to live there unless I had a job I liked), and to Northern California (Mount Shasta area). I also really liked Virginia, where my sister lives.

But honestly, if money was no object I'd most likely be a snowbird (or as my husband says, Neotropical migrant), with one house in Wisconsin or the Pacific NW and one in Tucson AZ.

Realistically, we looked at Oregon (very expensive for retirees, gloomy weather, full of his relatives that he wants to avoid), Tucson (was our default option for years until the western states started fighting over water issues b/c of the megadrought, and AZ looks to get its water allotment cut back to something like what it was using when I first started college there, back in 1990! only with a much bigger population). Plus real estate remained super affordable there until about 3 years ago, when it shot up incredibly.  So that's looking much less likely.

Our friends are scattered all over, but we are considering Silver City NM realistically, b/c of several friends there and it being still fairly affordable. But again, megadrought and water issues, plus wildfire risk (yay). Also a pain, the need to travel to Tucson or Phoenix for specialized medical care (which I need a fair amount of). Still, my friend who lives there does that every 2-3 months, and it's not like it sucks to go to Tucson, so, this remains a live possibility.

My one sister is in Virginia, which is beautiful and probably affordable, but my husband has negated anything in the Southeast on principle. My other family is still in Wisconsin, so that's a live possibility, but the winters fucking suck there. Plus, it's crazy expensive around Madison, but the property up north is starting to climb in value too (and is likely to do even more in the coming decades as rich people flee climate change related weather issues). On the other hand, no pending climate-change-related water shortage or dangerous heat waves on the horizon.

We'd likely have a lot more options if we were not also supporting my mother, but housing is going to have to include her somehow in a way that we are either not in the same building, or at least we have very private areas of the house, which means not a small  house (apart from this issue, we'd be fine doing a more affordable 2/1.5 type of house.  But as it is, it might be that cost of real estate limits us to very few options (or keeps us here in Texas where housing is so cheap). I hope not, though. A few more years will tell, lots of things are currently in flux with exactly how long my husband will work, and also whether I will inherit any share in a valuable property in the next few years, which could potentially change our equation a bit.

So short answer, I'm not sure.

ETA: I realize I didn't include any explanation as to WHY I love certain locations.  Answer is, 90% of the time, landscape/nature related.  I dislike being in the very conservative social/political area I'm in, but I could tolerate that if the land wasn't such a bleak disaster zone (plus, no public land here!)

I'm contemplating Virginia as the furthest south I'm willing to end up staying.  Purple state is an improvement on Red State constantly making the news for ever increasing levels of stupidity.

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2022, 12:48:06 PM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

I'd like to hear more about this.

Willful, proud ignorance. Disdain and distrust of education. Disregard of human rights. Dismissal of women and children as lesser beings, and lets not even discuss how the disabled, mentally ill, or LGTBQ+ are treated. The casual cruelty to and disregard of animals. Suspicion of, or lack of interest in, anything different. Lack of diversity - in people, ideas, foods, clothing, anything. Lack of public investment in infrastructure, education, the arts. All just in passing, hinted at. There aren't usually big, obvious things.

These things are corrosive. They wear you down. And I live in a purple area, so it's blunted for me. I can tell you who lives in red areas on this forum. I won't, but I could. It shows.

Yeah, it's mostly psychological challenges, not life-challenges, for us, but we are white, relatively high income, etc.

One of the things that wears us out is the religiosity. Crosses in every third place of business, religious signs on walls of businesses, doctors that finish your appointment by asking if they can pray with you (or pray with you before your surgery!). Christian (ONLY) prayers printed in every news publication, public prayers required before every civic event, etc.

This is in a major university city btw. It's skin crawling.
We are white, high income too and I would dispute the life-challenges.  Lived in Williamson County, TN (was listed as one of the top 25 richest counties in the US) and the lack of property taxes meant we had to send toilet paper and cleaning supplies to the schools each spring when they ran out of money.   Amounted to about $1,500 in "donations" per child per school year so that they could clean the bathrooms etc.  Those without kids never saw this and did not understand that lack of taxing at proper levels means things get impacted.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2022, 01:12:15 PM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

And then those same people moving from blue states like California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, etc. vote for the things that made them want to leave in the first place. Don't like high crime? Don't vote for a DA that chooses not to prosecute crimes. Don't like high local/state taxes? Don't vote for a bunch of extra government services. Idaho is not California and Texas is not New Jersey.

Between our first past the post voting system and gerrymandering it's practically impossible to change the dominant political party in a state/city. So, the most effective vote anyone has is voting with their feet. If you want to live in a place where homeless drug addicts are passed out on the sidewalk, then by all means move to San Franisco. If you want to live in a place where taxes are low and the government isn't involved much in your life then move to rural Montana, Wyoming, Utah, etc.




Back to the original topic I probably would have said someplace like Boise, ID up until a few years ago. Weather isn't too hot or too cold, lots of outdoors stuff around and a large enough area to have decent medical and other services available. I've only passed through it a couple times while driving so I don't have a strong feeling that it would be a good fit. However, with the recent influx of people (mostly from blue west coast cities) the home prices have become ridiculous.

My wife visited Sioux Falls, SD and that was a nice city. However, we visited in July. I'm not sure I'd want to live there in January. Same with the rest of the great plains. Mountain west is definitely where we'd like to be but preferably in a red state so that eliminates NM and CO. Montana is a bit too cold and isolated and we're Catholic not Mormon, so Utah is a pass. That leaves Wyoming and Idaho. I've never been to Cheyenne, but I'd like to check it out sometime.

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2022, 01:22:57 PM »
Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara.

I'm starting to wonder if my retirement income will support a pied-a-tier in Boston or Washington DC. It turns out I hate, hate, hate living in the city (crowd, noise, chaos, traffic, trash, rats, casual cruelty) but I also really enjoy living in the city (the crowd! The transportation! The food! The convenience! The energy!).

Amsterdam.

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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2022, 01:27:16 PM »
HI is really quite nice, but you either have to accept super high housing prices (on Oahu), very rural settings with poor health care infrastructure, etc (other islands), and generally high prices. (I laugh about the food budgets that people post here.) I don't know anywhere else in the US you could beat the climate, it's never too warm, never too cold, you can have your pick from very wet to quite dry, it's not plagued by wildfire smoke as seems to be the rule in CA these days, the ocean is always warm enough to go for a swim, and always nearby.

The state of HI is super blue, but we're seeing some of the drawbacks from that complete lack of competition here as in a bloated and infuriatingly inefficient bureaucracy and corruption. And everything rusts.

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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2022, 01:48:18 PM »
If I could live anywhere it would be somewhere on the coast in northern California or Oregon, or on the east coast (preferred) anywhere north of New Jersey. I want the beach life but still want cold/cool weather.

I'm currently in Utah because my wife and I have great paying jobs, but I absolutely F*&%ing hate the desert and would leave tomorrow if the wifey were cool with it.
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2022, 02:38:57 PM »
Certainly is an interesting question, and a tough one. I've lived in seven states (don't care about colors, went to were the career took me) and still don't have a obvious answer.

North Georgia (Dahlonega and the surrounding area), except for distance to major airport
Greater Cincy area (somewhat ditto due to decline of Cincy airport as I understand it)
Somewhere in greater Lexington, KY area
Would love to find a place with a little elevation, but still moderate weather (gee wouldn't most people?)

The list of "not living there" is quite long though...


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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2022, 03:33:52 PM »
I would love to live in the San Diego area. Great weather, beautiful beaches, tons of fun family-friendly activities.

Cons: high housing costs, high risk of drought (expected to be even more impacted by climate change the rest of CA).

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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2022, 03:35:07 PM »
After living in a red state for too long, I'll take ANY blue state (heck even a purple state). Totally worth it even for the HCOL. Red states don't take care of their citizens. This fact became so clear during COVID as the states were hiding numbers, not requiring masks, and we were unable to get accurate health information. And people here keep voting against their best interest, it's exhausting. I want out, but we're not done with our tour of duty yet. le sigh

People underestimate the impact that living in a red state has on you. My sister has annoyed me a few times because she really has no clue. Sometimes it's obvious, but a lot of it is really subtle things. Yeah, the weather might be nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that's lacking.

And then those same people moving from blue states like California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, etc. vote for the things that made them want to leave in the first place. Don't like high crime? Don't vote for a DA that chooses not to prosecute crimes.


Riiiiiight.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3274797-we-have-a-murder-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2022, 04:31:34 PM »
Coronado/San Diego for the same reasons others have mentioned.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2022, 06:58:21 PM »
We pretty much DO live in the place we want to live in. It is small town Missouri, with an easy driving distance of St. Louis. We have no family we have to stick around for.

When we retired we were living in the city of St. Louis I started looking around for perhaps a weekend place. Thought about moving across states. But I know I do not want to live north of Highway 80 where  it gets super cold. I hate the desert West,  so I won’t move anywhere near a desert.

 I really really like historic architecture, so I need some old buildings to look at.

I love New England and love New Hampshire and Vermont. But it’s too cold. We are serious gardeners and the growing season is just too short there. I do not know how those people even grow things like dahlias. If something magical happened and I could grow everything I wanted to grow in New Hampshire, I might move there and then just go to a warm weather place for a couple months in January and February.  I absolutely adore all those ancient structures in New England.

The gardener’s Mecca is western Oregon and that would be the place we would consider most seriously.
There’s a sad lack of architecture in the towns I would consider, though,  such as Corvallis, and all those towns in the Willamette Valley. I wouldn’t touch Portland because $500,000 for a dumb two bedroom ranch circa 1962? Oh hell. no, Even though we could afford it. And then, the rioting and crime looks too much like St. Louis.

For me both coasts are very attractive, New England on the east and western Oregon and Washington on the west. I think there’s too many trees in Washington though, I’m not keen on a bunch of trees on my property, haha, tho true.



 
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2022, 07:06:05 PM »
New Hampshire or Maine.  Beautiful, cool weather.  Wonderful falls.  Love the independent spirit of both places, and the beautiful nature.  In retirement, I wouldn’t mind the snow, could stay inside by the fireplace and relax, or head south for the winter.  I like the spirit of these places - civilized but not too liberal, and reasonably low cost of living, and the ability to have a lot of land.
I agree with everything you say.

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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2022, 09:47:51 PM »
Coastal California. Good weather, people are nice, fewer crazies trying to take my rights away. Main issue is the water supply, that’ll have to be sorted out.

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« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2022, 06:36:52 AM »
We're looking to relocate out of the gulf coast area and out of the deep south. All the places I've wanted to move in the past have become unaffordable in the last decade or so. Bend, Boise, Austin, Portland are all off the list now. I grew up in Ohio so I have some interest in going back there just to have a look around. Madison, WI seems like a really cool town but probably out of our price range. New England looks good. Virginia seems nice. I like living in a walkable/bikeable city. I like living close to MTB trails. I don't like sweltering in the summer. I'm sure there is a website that can take my criteria and give me a list of possibilities.

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« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2022, 07:29:28 AM »
Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara.

I'm starting to wonder if my retirement income will support a pied-a-tier in Boston or Washington DC. It turns out I hate, hate, hate living in the city (crowd, noise, chaos, traffic, trash, rats, casual cruelty) but I also really enjoy living in the city (the crowd! The transportation! The food! The convenience! The energy!).

Amsterdam.

The bikeability and person-centric design certainly makes it look like a dream to get around.  If I ever have to live in a big city again, it's got to be one where I can stay out of a car and sitting in car traffic.  Already wasted too much of my life doing that.

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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2022, 07:47:35 AM »
Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara.

I'm starting to wonder if my retirement income will support a pied-a-tier in Boston or Washington DC. It turns out I hate, hate, hate living in the city (crowd, noise, chaos, traffic, trash, rats, casual cruelty) but I also really enjoy living in the city (the crowd! The transportation! The food! The convenience! The energy!).

Amsterdam.

The bikeability and person-centric design certainly makes it look like a dream to get around.  If I ever have to live in a big city again, it's got to be one where I can stay out of a car and sitting in car traffic.  Already wasted too much of my life doing that.

There's a part of me that says I could choose to move to a walkable area now, in my 40s, and possibly add 5 happy and productive years to my life due to the increased exercise. The problem is that walkable areas are so much more expensive that I'd need to work another 5 years of my life to pay for living there. 

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« Reply #42 on: August 30, 2022, 07:56:28 AM »
My wife and I were just discussing this: After traveling around the US this year, we came to the conclusion that we are very happy staying put right where we live now, in northeastern New Jersey. While my wife would not mind a slightly warmer climate, even in the next twenty years, we are going to see temperatures creeping up. So she will get the warmer climate even without moving. (See https://fitzlab.shinyapps.io/cityapp/)

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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2022, 08:23:31 AM »
Twist my arm and give me infinite money, and I'd probably want a second home I could occasionally escape to during the winter...maybe Santa Barbara.

I'm starting to wonder if my retirement income will support a pied-a-tier in Boston or Washington DC. It turns out I hate, hate, hate living in the city (crowd, noise, chaos, traffic, trash, rats, casual cruelty) but I also really enjoy living in the city (the crowd! The transportation! The food! The convenience! The energy!).

Amsterdam.

The bikeability and person-centric design certainly makes it look like a dream to get around.  If I ever have to live in a big city again, it's got to be one where I can stay out of a car and sitting in car traffic.  Already wasted too much of my life doing that.

Yep. I don’t want to live in a major city full time, but I enjoy (really my whole family enjoys) having urban jaunts, and we like return trips (e.g., getting to know a place, seeing the push and pull of how it changes and how it stays the same). Relatively easy to reach from a lot of places. I worry about how it will suffer climate change, but who has more experience with that?

If only I knew where I wanted my “regular” home to be…. I feel like we’ve ruled out the US (not that we couldn’t do it, just that there’s no place we’re realistically excited about).

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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2022, 08:57:06 AM »
If you want to live in a place where homeless drug addicts are passed out on the sidewalk, then by all means move to San Franisco. If you want to live in a place where taxes are low and the government isn't involved much in your life then move to rural Montana, Wyoming, Utah, etc.

I live in a very red city in a very red state. We have plenty of homeless drug addicts passed out on the sidewalk; it's all the local paper can talk about. Constant police harassment and demolishing tent cities does not seem to be an effective solution. I suspect the reason is simple: the wealth concentrated in cities leads to waste, which makes it easier for people with nothing to find food and necessities.

I grew up in a town of 2,000. I suspect the reason there don't seem to be as many homeless drug addicts there is because they live in shacks and RVs in the woods. No zoning and no one moving people out of unsafe housing means they are "housed" even if that means the roof is falling in and they heat with a DIY barrel stove that will eventually burn the house down.

Also, in a small town, they aren't nameless addicts who live under the viaduct. They are "town druggies" who your mom went to high school with.

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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2022, 09:42:38 AM »
If you could live anywhere in the US, where would you head?  Any rationale beyond "it's where I live now" or "it's where my job is" would interest me.  (The answer can absolutely be the place you currently live, if you love the place for reasons beyond inertia.)

Possible big life changes on the horizon, and they may include being able to choose where we live, or at least narrow down options to concentrate on a handful of areas.  I find this terribly exciting, but also entirely overwhelming. 

Right now, my dream location would probably be Coronado, CA, except that it is just way, way too expensive to buy or rent there so it probably wouldn't be in contention unless DH continues working and get a job that pays an insane amount.  But I love the culture, I love a "small town Main Street" feel but with absolutely everything a big city has to offer within about 30 minutes.  Nearly perfect weather year round keeps me happier and healthier.  (I'm very sensitive to both heat and cold, and also quite reactive to mosquito bites so in Virginia I basically only go outside about 2 months of the year.  lol)  Being able to stroll to the beach and walk it, within about 10 minutes, is an extra bonus.  Traffic sucks, but you can walk (or golf cart) just about anywhere.  If only a moderate house didn't cost $2m!  (Climate change is also a concern, though we'd likely be living far enough from the beach--$2m doesn't get you close to the sand!--that it wouldn't be as significant a factor.)

Where would you go, and why?  What are the pros and cons of your choice?

If I could only live in one place, my #1 choice would be Encinitas, CA (near D street). I lived there for two years (2005-2006).

If I could have two separate homes and split time between two homes, my choices would be

Koloa, HI (Kauai) and Breckenridge, CO.

I lived on Kauai for 4 years (2015-2019) and lived in Breckenridge, CO for 6 months (2003-2004). More than likely, this will become reality after my son graduates from high school in 13 years. We have the house in Koloa, HI, but probably need at least 10 years to save up for a place in Breckenridge, CO. Within the next two years, I will be buying a place in Fairplay, CO, which is about 30 minutes south of Breckenridge.

   

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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2022, 09:51:49 AM »
HI is really quite nice, but you either have to accept super high housing prices (on Oahu), very rural settings with poor health care infrastructure, etc (other islands), and generally high prices. (I laugh about the food budgets that people post here.) I don't know anywhere else in the US you could beat the climate, it's never too warm, never too cold, you can have your pick from very wet to quite dry, it's not plagued by wildfire smoke as seems to be the rule in CA these days, the ocean is always warm enough to go for a swim, and always nearby.

The state of HI is super blue, but we're seeing some of the drawbacks from that complete lack of competition here as in a bloated and infuriatingly inefficient bureaucracy and corruption. And everything rusts.

When I lived in San Diego I thought the overall weather was better than Kauai. For Kauai, it gets really hot and humid in July-September. We run A/C units at night to sleep. Without it, we really struggled to sleep. When I lived in San Diego, I never felt the need to use A/C or struggled with my sleep. Both places were about the same distance to the beach (about 2.5-3 miles). San Diego does get much warmer when you are more than 5 miles inland. Overall, I prefer Kauai because it's less crowded than San Diego. However, if you are only looking at weather, I think San Diego has the best weather overall (12 months/year).

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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2022, 10:04:51 AM »
Great question. I think I'd want to be somewhere that is close to both a major metro (where I could reasonably expect most major acts to come through) and to a great national park. San Francisco, Seattle, and Nashville come to mind.

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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2022, 10:12:01 AM »
Patagonia AZ, a cute little village near the Mexican border, is exactly where I'd love to live.

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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2022, 10:15:48 AM »
San Diego seems to be a popular choice on this thread. Ive lived here for 36 years and I can confirm it is a great place to live.

Expensive but worth every penny if you can afford it. Gas prices are some of the highest in the country, I paid $4.99 for regular just yesterday but that can be mitigated with the right car. Housing prices are out of sight along the coast but you can live just 20 miles inland and pay a reasonable( relative I know) price and enjoy a lot more sunshine and open space. Income taxes aren't high if you're retired and Property taxes are low compared to other states.

I live 12 miles from the beach and can mountain bike and hike a 1200ft peak right out my back door, or golf at a dozen courses within a half hour. OP, you dont need to live along the coast, you can drive there anytime.

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