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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2022, 10:16:17 AM »
So much wonderful advice, thank you all! I'm trying to figure out where hidden limits might be, with this much money. I feel like I need to reassess all my previous assumptions.

For example, there doesn't seem to be any penalty for dumping tons of money into VFIAX each month (eg no upper limit). Is that correct? I can just put endless amounts of money in there?

Correct - but use the ETF, as you won't have the high capital gains caused by mutual funds held in taxable accounts. VOO would be the Vanguard ETF equivalent.

Another uncertainty is around gifting. My parents house is in total disrepair. Assuming I can convince them to let me help, I'd love to pay for some high cost maintenance. Does that count towards the IRS gift limitation?

Yes. But you can do $16k annually for each parent, so a total of $32k.


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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2022, 12:02:21 PM »

Another uncertainty is around gifting. My parents house is in total disrepair. Assuming I can convince them to let me help, I'd love to pay for some high cost maintenance. Does that count towards the IRS gift limitation?

Yes. But you can do $16k annually for each parent, so a total of $32k.
A point worth raising: the $16k limit is the max you can give someone without reporting it to the IRS. You can give more, but it must be reported, and counts against a lifetime exemption.

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« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2022, 07:23:28 PM »
Yup 900k target sounds like Staff to Senior Staff based on the company, perhaps with a twist of "we-really-want-this-person-right-now". OP is really selling herself short here. Getting to that level is a true achievement, not something you luck your way into.

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« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2022, 07:52:55 PM »
I'm don't have your salary and am not going to get there in my lifetime, but still think it's worth foot-stomping Sandi_k and zolotiyeruki's points on the Mutual Fund to ETF issue and the Gift-Tax issue.

You want to control when you owe more taxes than your dividends will generate, and the only way you can do that is via ETFs. I would do an in-kind swap through Vanguard if you can, and put future investments straight into ETFs. There's a thread from this year where a target date fund threw off some nasty tax consequences; I think market volatility has resulted in higher realized gains even in index-tracking mutual funds in the past, though you should certainly check my math on that one.

Second - zolotiyeruki hit the nail on the head with gift taxes. I'm not sure how much I would stress over my credit card paying for their new roof or something, but better informed persons may have other opinions.  I also might peruse https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/frequently-asked-questions-on-gift-taxes.

Finally: my absolutely brilliant, amazing sis in in your income category. She absolutely deserves to be there . . . and she has no idea how to manage her money. Don't let anyone make you feel bad about asking for a second opinion, you're going to save yourself from scammers and charlatans (most of them in the financial industry) with the information on this forum.






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« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2022, 10:18:35 PM »

Another uncertainty is around gifting. My parents house is in total disrepair. Assuming I can convince them to let me help, I'd love to pay for some high cost maintenance. Does that count towards the IRS gift limitation?

Yes. But you can do $16k annually for each parent, so a total of $32k.
A point worth raising: the $16k limit is the max you can give someone without reporting it to the IRS. You can give more, but it must be reported, and counts against a lifetime exemption.

Agreed and understood. But I know a CPA who has sworn to never again take a client who requires that reporting. YMMV.

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« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2022, 05:08:59 PM »
Anyone who can make $1M/yr doesn't need the help of this forum.

I have to disagree.  Plenty of people out there making tons of money yet managing not to build any real wealth.

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« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2022, 07:38:43 PM »
Clearly the FAANG won't work for that strategy, they're long post-IPO. That said, making anywhere near 200 at a startup (salary + "worthless" stock) and jumping to FAANG (higher salary + real stock), comp may be closer to 900 than 200, at least based on discussions while trying to recruit friends at FAANG to past startups.

With the Faceboook -> Meta and Google -> Alphabet, shouldn't it really be MAAAN these days?

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« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2022, 08:02:22 PM »
Great timing with the increase in income and the currently discounted prices for VTI / VTSAX :)  Congrats.

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« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2022, 08:03:19 PM »
Anyone who can make $1M/yr doesn't need the help of this forum.

I have to disagree.  Plenty of people out there making tons of money yet managing not to build any real wealth.

Yeah I agree, it doesn't matter how much you make, it's how you handle it.  My yearly income is only like $40k, yet I am perfectly content and save about half of it each year.  I live a simple life and so does Warren Buffet.  Buffet is content with simple things and I doubt he blows his money -- lives a modest life.  The more money you save and build wealth, the more you can donate to help your church, charities, heirs etc..  Material things to me really don't buy much happiness at all.  I already have a great TV, stereo etc.. they're all cheap ($100 for used TV and $200 for DIY stereo which sounds like a $3000 stereo) and even the most expensive don't give you much of a  better experience.  Same with cars.  Heck I can browse the web with my $550 Mac Mini M1 faster than one can with a $50k intel mac pro.  We all die the same not taking any material wealth with us into the afterlife.
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« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2022, 12:12:49 PM »
Fun fact: Warren Buffet's house is 6570 sf. He avoids the trappings of the super rich, or super-rich wannabes, but he's no monk. People just assume that's the case.

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« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2022, 12:18:10 PM »
Fun fact: Warren Buffet's house is 6570 sf. He avoids the trappings of the super rich, or super-rich wannabes, but he's no monk. People just assume that's the case.

He's living in the same house he bought in the 1950's or was it 1960's.  I think he paid $100k for it back then? He drives a lincoln town car.  He barely bought an iPad a few years ago to read the news :)

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« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2022, 01:51:48 PM »
Just read two books on Buffett. As billionaires go, he's not ostentatious, but I think he'd find it quite hard to live as a "normal" person at this point. Despite clever framing of his personal image and history, he grew up the son of a US Congressman.

Warren is one of a kind, and a person to admire in my opinion. But the truth is in some ways, different from his well manicured public image. And I'm pretty certain he views his apparent frugality as a line item on his personal balance sheet that enhances his brand more so than any assets he could buy would.

He's giving most of his money away so he definitely gets two thumbs up from me though.

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« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2022, 02:30:13 PM »
Here is my list:

1)  Yes, you can contribute an unlimited amount to a regular brokerage account.   As others suggested VOO, etc. are good bets.

2)  You can do a backdoor Roth, while that's probably not enough to move the needle it is easy to do and not a bad thing.

3) You might be able to do a mega backdoor Roth through your 401(k).   Your plan administrator has to allow it, but most of the big brokerage houses (Vanguard, etc.) will let you do it.

4) Strictly speaking, yes gifts are supposed to be figured into the gift tax.  But how are they really going to know?   If you pay a contractor how will anyone know it is a gift?   And the lifetime exclusion is like $12 million or something.      If you are over $12 M in gifts they might care, but otherwise it isn't worth anyone's time to hassle you about paperwork. 

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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2022, 04:53:10 PM »
Just read two books on Buffett. As billionaires go, he's not ostentatious, but I think he'd find it quite hard to live as a "normal" person at this point. Despite clever framing of his personal image and history, he grew up the son of a US Congressman.

Warren is one of a kind, and a person to admire in my opinion. But the truth is in some ways, different from his well manicured public image. And I'm pretty certain he views his apparent frugality as a line item on his personal balance sheet that enhances his brand more so than any assets he could buy would.

He's giving most of his money away so he definitely gets two thumbs up from me though.
I completely agree.

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« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2022, 11:36:39 PM »
Fun fact: Warren Buffet's house is 6570 sf. He avoids the trappings of the super rich, or super-rich wannabes, but he's no monk. People just assume that's the case.

He's living in the same house he bought in the 1950's or was it 1960's.  I think he paid $100k for it back then? He drives a lincoln town car.  He barely bought an iPad a few years ago to read the news :)


Come on, people - he also had a CA beach house, worth millions:

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-of-warren-buffetts-house-in-california-2017-2

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« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2022, 01:59:08 AM »
Fun fact: Warren Buffet's house is 6570 sf. He avoids the trappings of the super rich, or super-rich wannabes, but he's no monk. People just assume that's the case.

He's living in the same house he bought in the 1950's or was it 1960's.  I think he paid $100k for it back then? He drives a lincoln town car.  He barely bought an iPad a few years ago to read the news :)


Come on, people - he also had a CA beach house, worth millions:

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-of-warren-buffetts-house-in-california-2017-2
Thank you @Sandi_k.

WB sold it in 2018 for about $7.5M, after reducing the price around $3.5M. The article Sandi_k linked says after his wife died in 2004, it wasn't used much.

In an example of the insanity that is CA property taxes, WB's were only $2,871 in 2017. The new owner paid over $80k in property taxes 2021. Zilliw thinks the property is now worth $11M.

Oh and the house is in Emerald Bay, has ocean views and is three houses from the sand. Super rich territory indeed.

Year   Property Taxes   Tax Assessment
2021   $80,769 (+4.5%)            --
2020   $77,304                           $7,624,407 (+2.1%)
2019   $77,304 (+1.8%)            $7,470,000 (+2511.3%)
2018   $75,928 (+2545%)        $286,061 (+2%)
2017   $2,871                            $280,452 (+2%)

Just for fun, here's what you can get for $80k in Omaha right now, if you don't mind renovating:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4704-N-41st-St-Omaha-NE-68111/75828508_zpid/
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« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2022, 01:41:19 PM »
I am a CPA.  I don't do individual taxes, but I know enough to get around.

My advice would be to defer as much income as you can, especially if you plan on retiring soon.  You're in the highest bracket right now and once you retire you'll be in a much lower bracket so do whatever you can to defer income.  Max out your 401k contributions, if your company has deferred compensation options, etc.  Do it all because you want that income to hit in a lower tax rate year.  The savings can be significant in your situation (in excess of 10% potentially).  You're throwing away that money since you don't need it currently and it would be taxed at a much higher rate. 

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« Reply #67 on: March 25, 2022, 12:17:41 PM »
I think a better example of a frugal billionaire is Ingvar Kamprad (IKEA) (NW ~ $59B).
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/29/money-habits-of-self-made-billionaire-ikea-founder-ingvar-kamprad.html#:~:text=Upon%20his%20death%2C%20Kamprad%20was,20%2Dyear%2Dold%20Volvo.

He drove a Volvo 240 GL for two decades. And my favorite part:
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After paying around $27 (€22) for a haircut in the Netherlands in 2008, he told a Swedish newspaper that the price was too high to fit within his usual hair cut budget

How many have a "haircut budget" once you pass a billion dollars??

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« Reply #68 on: March 25, 2022, 06:09:16 PM »
Just for fun, here's what you can get for $80k in Omaha right now, if you don't mind renovating:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4704-N-41st-St-Omaha-NE-68111/75828508_zpid/

That's gorgeous!  I wanna move to Omaha now :)  Love those wood floors!  EDIT: ooh looks like there are some foundation issues? Hrmm..
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« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2022, 10:03:11 AM »
Hi folks, wanted to share an update with you all! I can’t believe it’s been a year and I’m still holding my own in this new role. It is extremely stressful, but I’m proud I made it this far!

Kind of related to my original question, one surprising thing I learned this year was that there is a taxable maximum for Social Security Tax in a calendar year. I noticed a jump in my paycheck and thought there was a bug in my payroll, but turns out I’d surpassed the max for SS tax, so now that money was just landing in my bank account. I had no idea there was a maximum; seems like a missed opportunity for funding the program, in my opinion.

Taking the great advice of you all, I kept a very close eye on any kind of lifestyle upgrades that were committing me to a *recurring* cost and tried to focus our splurges on one time costs. Here are the “out of the ordinary” things we did with our new money:
  • Poured a sidewalk and paved the dirt driveway at our rental house
  • Installed forced air AC in our house (benefits our unit + the 2 other rental units in our house)
  • Ordered some new windows for our unit and our basement rental unit
  • Rented a huge house in the mountains and invited extended family up for a weeklong stay on us
  • Overnight “staycation” date with no kids in a nearby city
  • Sizeable recast on our mortgage*
  • Round of charity donations
  • Put the rest (an outrageous amount) into investments; now on-track to hit FIRE numbers by the end of 2023.

The biggest increase in the “recurring purchase” category is probably food. We spend a lot more on food at the grocery store, because we aren’t actively looking for deals or planning as meticulously as we used to. We just buy the food we want. Life with 3 kids under 6 is stressful, my job is stressful, so the saved time goes a long way for me. This increase isn’t actually that big relative to what I make, so I’m ok with it.

I wish we could have dropped some serious cash on an outrageous vacation someplace, but it just isn’t in the cards for this season of our life. I’d rather wait until our youngest is a bit older so I don't have to spend the whole trip preventing her from touching outlets (like I did during our mountain getaway this summer 😅 ).

Unfortunately my parents are not accepting of my offers to help with much-needed repairs to their house. I’ll keep trying, but their pride is really getting in the way. It's a tough one.

We definitely could have done a better job rearranging our investment strategy to focus a bit more on tax-deferred / lower tax. However, I actively made the decision to forego that as a deep focus this year, because I needed to dedicate myself fully to ramping up in the new job and becoming effective. It doesn’t really pain me that I’m “losing” that money at this point in my life.

Overall I still find the entire situation a bit strange. There is a part of me that desperately wants to keep living life almost exactly the same way I did before this salary. I don’t know how long I’ll stay in this job, and when I do leave it will be to FIRE, go back to the startup scene, or switch careers entirely. Meaning, it’s almost certain my next job will not have an outrageous salary like this. I don’t want to get used to too much luxury, because I know it will be hard to downshift back to a simpler life.

On the other hand, this job is SO STRESSFUL. There is a reason this salary is so high, and it is really tempting to spend money in an attempt to alleviate some of the stress. In “Your Money Or Your Life,” they talk about assessing your spending and figuring out how much of your expenses are actually related to your job and its stressors (eg, taking a vacation to de-stress from work vs taking a vacation because you actually want to visit a new place). I feel the pressure of this kind of expense very acutely. I sometimes feel like I'm pushing my mental health too close to a breaking point by being under so much stress and not taking advantage of my money to help alleviate some of it. Hoping to find a safe balance here in 2023.


* I understand the math in the long-term is better if we don’t make big payments on the mortgage. However, as the breadwinner (my husband is a stay at home dad) I’m paranoid about what would happen to my family if I died. I’m motivated to lower the monthly obligation for the mortgage, so my husband could afford the mortgage & childcare for 3 if he became a single dad. We originally planned 2 recasts this year, but with inflation the way it is, we pivoted to just one.
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« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2022, 10:04:18 AM »
I am curious type of job/work you do? Normally it would take some time to see such a big salary increase (stock appreciation, hitting sales quotas etc). 200k->900k in one swoop is bonkers!

Haha yes, bonkers is definitely the word for it! I'm at the Director level of leadership, in a niche area of engineering.

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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2022, 10:46:01 AM »
* I understand the math in the long-term is better if we don’t make big payments on the mortgage. However, as the breadwinner (my husband is a stay at home dad) I’m paranoid about what would happen to my family if I died. I’m motivated to lower the monthly obligation for the mortgage, so my husband could afford the mortgage & childcare for 3 if he became a single dad. We originally planned 2 recasts this year, but with inflation the way it is, we pivoted to just one.

I always thoguht the opposite; if my wife became a widow with small children, it would really suck if she had tons of cash tied up in a house! As you know paying extra gets you noting until it's paid off completely, or you refi (these days that's at a much higher rate). And since they look at income, if he's a SAHD with no job he would probably have a really hard time refinancing after you passed?

To me it seemed like a decent term life insurance is a better bet. For a few hundred a year get coverage that would allow my wife to pay off the house, or whatever else she'd need.
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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2022, 02:12:53 PM »
Kind of related to my original question, one surprising thing I learned this year was that there is a taxable maximum for Social Security Tax in a calendar year. I noticed a jump in my paycheck and thought there was a bug in my payroll, but turns out I’d surpassed the max for SS tax, so now that money was just landing in my bank account. I had no idea there was a maximum; seems like a missed opportunity for funding the program, in my opinion.

The SS tax cap aligns with the max SS payout cap. If taxes were applied on higher earnings, the SS would be paying out more correspondingly, so the budget issue would feasibly remain.

When Biden was running as a candidate, he suggested changing the SS tax to have a gap in it for contributors (for example, SS taxes up to $120k and then nothing more until $1m in earnings, then SS taxes again), but that the original cap would still remain for payouts. This way, additional funds would be coming in from high earners, but no more would be going out. This, it was argued, would mitigate some of the long-term solvency problems.

As you could imagine, getting something like that through congress would be a very hard sell because we'd be asking a select few to pay more with no opportunity for any of the benefit to go to them.

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2022, 08:24:26 PM »
Thanks for the update, I'm happy to hear you're doing well!  Good luck managing the stress, hopefully there's a lightening of the load in 2023.

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« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2022, 02:15:11 AM »
* I understand the math in the long-term is better if we don’t make big payments on the mortgage. However, as the breadwinner (my husband is a stay at home dad) I’m paranoid about what would happen to my family if I died. I’m motivated to lower the monthly obligation for the mortgage, so my husband could afford the mortgage & childcare for 3 if he became a single dad. We originally planned 2 recasts this year, but with inflation the way it is, we pivoted to just one.

I always thoguht the opposite; if my wife became a widow with small children, it would really suck if she had tons of cash tied up in a house! As you know paying extra gets you noting until it's paid off completely, or you refi (these days that's at a much higher rate). And since they look at income, if he's a SAHM with no job he would probably have a really hard time refinancing after you passed?

To me it seemed like a decent term life insurance is a better bet. For a few hundred a year get coverage that would allow my wife to pay off the house, or whatever else she'd need.
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« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2022, 01:23:15 PM »
Kind of related to my original question, one surprising thing I learned this year was that there is a taxable maximum for Social Security Tax in a calendar year. I noticed a jump in my paycheck and thought there was a bug in my payroll, but turns out I’d surpassed the max for SS tax, so now that money was just landing in my bank account. I had no idea there was a maximum; seems like a missed opportunity for funding the program, in my opinion.

The SS tax cap aligns with the max SS payout cap. If taxes were applied on higher earnings, the SS would be paying out more correspondingly, so the budget issue would feasibly remain.

When Biden was running as a candidate, he suggested changing the SS tax to have a gap in it for contributors (for example, SS taxes up to $120k and then nothing more until $1m in earnings, then SS taxes again), but that the original cap would still remain for payouts. This way, additional funds would be coming in from high earners, but no more would be going out. This, it was argued, would mitigate some of the long-term solvency problems.

As you could imagine, getting something like that through congress would be a very hard sell because we'd be asking a select few to pay more with no opportunity for any of the benefit to go to them.
I've always felt these kinds of arguments smelled a little fishy (from someone with an income not over the max cap) but I also understand the status quo can be hard to shake.

We're talking about expanding the zone that's already past the 2nd bend point (the 32% to 15% transition, which occurs after the 90% to 32% bend point).  So, each dollar tacked onto the high end of the limit is likely going to only end up in the 15% "money back" region.

Simply put, the upper middle - or whatever you call the people too poor to get the mega-wealthy breaks (too much W-2 income) but too wealthy for the lower income breaks - that doesn't want to pay more in FICA for such a diminishing return (or with Biden's custom suggestion, NO return for additional FICA withholding would be an even harder sell).

It ("it" meaning significantly raising the cap for W-2 income above what inflation is doing) would absolutely make SS more solvent and there are many different ways to do that, I just don't know how popular they would be politically.  So, we get the high end cap moving up each and every year to reasonably stay with infation (and the bend points in the AIME function get updated as well), but that's about it.

OP, there's also the extra medicare tax that I'm sure you've noticed in your paychecks.  See IRS Topic 560:
A 0.9% Additional Medicare Tax applies to Medicare wages, self-employment income, and railroad retirement (RRTA) compensation that exceed the following threshold amounts based on filing status:

$250,000 for married filing jointly;
$125,000 for married filing separately; and
$200,000 for all other taxpayers.

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« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2022, 12:01:17 PM »
* I understand the math in the long-term is better if we don’t make big payments on the mortgage. However, as the breadwinner (my husband is a stay at home dad) I’m paranoid about what would happen to my family if I died. I’m motivated to lower the monthly obligation for the mortgage, so my husband could afford the mortgage & childcare for 3 if he became a single dad. We originally planned 2 recasts this year, but with inflation the way it is, we pivoted to just one.

I always thoguht the opposite; if my wife became a widow with small children, it would really suck if she had tons of cash tied up in a house! As you know paying extra gets you noting until it's paid off completely, or you refi (these days that's at a much higher rate). And since they look at income, if he's a SAHD with no job he would probably have a really hard time refinancing after you passed?

To me it seemed like a decent term life insurance is a better bet. For a few hundred a year get coverage that would allow my wife to pay off the house, or whatever else she'd need.

This is a good point, Scandium, about tons of cash being tied up in a house. We've got quite a bit of money currently sitting in investments as well, so even if I kicked the bucket tomorrow, my husband would have the ability to coast for several years living off the investments. I don't think we would have gone for a recast if we didn't also have the investments as part of our strategy.

With an official recast, paying extra keeps the "payoff" date fixed, but it does lower the monthly obligation. It is different than a regular lump sum payment. In our case in particular, the recast lowered the monthly obligation to the point where our rental income can now cover all of our day to day living expenses, except for health insurance.

Agreed about the refi; as a SAHD he'd have a hard time getting anywhere with that. Besides, our interest rate is around 3% right now so a refi probably won't make sense for the foreseeable future.

I may be overly paranoid, but I don't really trust life insurance too much. While the evidence is anecdotal, I've heard of too many stories of people caught in a paperwork nightmare trying to get a life insurance payout after the death of a loved one, with many folks never getting a payout at all after being denied on some weird technicality.  I appreciate the security of knowing that my husband won't have to deal with any of that while he's grieving and trying to care for the kids.

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« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2022, 12:05:44 PM »
Kind of related to my original question, one surprising thing I learned this year was that there is a taxable maximum for Social Security Tax in a calendar year. I noticed a jump in my paycheck and thought there was a bug in my payroll, but turns out I’d surpassed the max for SS tax, so now that money was just landing in my bank account. I had no idea there was a maximum; seems like a missed opportunity for funding the program, in my opinion.

The SS tax cap aligns with the max SS payout cap. If taxes were applied on higher earnings, the SS would be paying out more correspondingly, so the budget issue would feasibly remain.

When Biden was running as a candidate, he suggested changing the SS tax to have a gap in it for contributors (for example, SS taxes up to $120k and then nothing more until $1m in earnings, then SS taxes again), but that the original cap would still remain for payouts. This way, additional funds would be coming in from high earners, but no more would be going out. This, it was argued, would mitigate some of the long-term solvency problems.

As you could imagine, getting something like that through congress would be a very hard sell because we'd be asking a select few to pay more with no opportunity for any of the benefit to go to them.

Ah, interesting, thanks for the info! I always forget that SS payout is tied in a way to what you put in. I heard so much about SS funding issues when I was a teenager, that I just told myself to start thinking of it like any other tax and assume I'd never see the money again. That way I'd never be banking on that money for my retirement, and if I *did* get it, it would be a nice bonus. I guess I'd been in that mindset so long I forgot how SS is actually supposed to work, haha!

I personally like the idea of higher earners helping to fund the general pot of money, and agree that it would be very hard to get something like that passed nowadays.

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« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2022, 12:06:16 PM »
Thanks for the update, I'm happy to hear you're doing well!  Good luck managing the stress, hopefully there's a lightening of the load in 2023.

Thanks, rebel_quietude!

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« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2022, 04:26:53 PM »
* I understand the math in the long-term is better if we don’t make big payments on the mortgage. However, as the breadwinner (my husband is a stay at home dad) I’m paranoid about what would happen to my family if I died. I’m motivated to lower the monthly obligation for the mortgage, so my husband could afford the mortgage & childcare for 3 if he became a single dad. We originally planned 2 recasts this year, but with inflation the way it is, we pivoted to just one.

I always thoguht the opposite; if my wife became a widow with small children, it would really suck if she had tons of cash tied up in a house! As you know paying extra gets you noting until it's paid off completely, or you refi (these days that's at a much higher rate). And since they look at income, if he's a SAHD with no job he would probably have a really hard time refinancing after you passed?

To me it seemed like a decent term life insurance is a better bet. For a few hundred a year get coverage that would allow my wife to pay off the house, or whatever else she'd need.

This is a good point, Scandium, about tons of cash being tied up in a house. We've got quite a bit of money currently sitting in investments as well, so even if I kicked the bucket tomorrow, my husband would have the ability to coast for several years living off the investments. I don't think we would have gone for a recast if we didn't also have the investments as part of our strategy.

With an official recast, paying extra keeps the "payoff" date fixed, but it does lower the monthly obligation. It is different than a regular lump sum payment. In our case in particular, the recast lowered the monthly obligation to the point where our rental income can now cover all of our day to day living expenses, except for health insurance.

Agreed about the refi; as a SAHD he'd have a hard time getting anywhere with that. Besides, our interest rate is around 3% right now so a refi probably won't make sense for the foreseeable future.

I may be overly paranoid, but I don't really trust life insurance too much. While the evidence is anecdotal, I've heard of too many stories of people caught in a paperwork nightmare trying to get a life insurance payout after the death of a loved one, with many folks never getting a payout at all after being denied on some weird technicality.  I appreciate the security of knowing that my husband won't have to deal with any of that while he's grieving and trying to care for the kids.

@NattyAnn I'll share a life insurance story from my own personal experience that is completely contrary to what you describe above.  My father died by suicide last year and had a life insurance policy.  We assumed we would not be able to claim on it given the circumstances of his death and this assumption was actually incorrect.  We did have to provide the insurance company with a copy of the police report and autopsy; however, there were no other questions asked and checks were received within two weeks of submitting the paperwork they requested.  All that was required by us in terms of paperwork was the claim form, death certificate, police report & autopsy.  Total time required by the beneficiaries was less than 30 minutes.  I wouldn't let your fears of a "paperwork nightmare trying to get a life insurance payout after the death of a loved one" stop you from taking the time to setup a life insurance policy - at least until the kids are grown & out of the house and the house is paid off.

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« Reply #80 on: December 29, 2022, 07:14:26 AM »
My experience with life insurance was basically the same as above when my husband died. Very little stress. In fact, when speaking to people on the phone, they were all kind and supportive as well as supplying correct information.

In the case of my father some 20 years earlier, life insurance was also very easy, but dealing with one of the mutual funds was a headache that took a strongly worded letter from my lawyer to shake them loose.

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« Reply #81 on: December 29, 2022, 11:23:42 AM »
At risk of piling on, dealing with my mom's life insurance was easy.  I didn't even have to send an original death certificate. I took a picture with my phone and emailed it. Check came within a couple of weeks. It wasn't a large sum but it more than paid for her all of her funeral expenses which made things pretty stress free (during a pretty stressful time).

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« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2022, 11:37:53 AM »


Yes and OP stated it was a new job with 4x the income and he/she is only 4 months in. Likely not equity/rsu related. The chances of a MAANG company hiring someone new from a 200k role and moving them to a 900k role is just about slim to none.


Yeah, come on y'all.  I could smell the troll the moment the thread went up.

Anyone who can make $1M/yr doesn't need the help of this forum.

You both don't realize how much money is in tech, apparently, and immediately assume trolling. I know a lot of people making $900k+ in tech at this point

In fact, I know many people making significantly more too depending on how high of level in management they get. I've also known people going from 200k roles to those types of roles.


Something you might want to consider is own occupation long term disability insurance @NattyAnn -- for super high earners in a given profession, most company provided long term disability policies are any occupation disability policies. So if you can't make your $900k income but can work for $50k/year it might not cover you. Own occupation is LTD but specific if you cannot work in your given occupation and is common for high income/specialized fields like medicine/law/etc. I personally think a lot more high earners should consider this.

For me, to get $100k/year of insurance if I'm disabled from working as a software engineer it's about $1k/year. This feels pretty reasonable to me as insurance during my working career given my income is much higher than what I'd get in any other field.

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« Reply #83 on: January 01, 2023, 05:49:35 PM »
@NattyAnn have you taken into account that your husband would be able to claim SS Survivors Benefits for the kids based on your record?  In our case, if I were to claim on my husband's record, it would be ~$5.5k/mo.  Gives some additional peace of mind...

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« Reply #84 on: January 01, 2023, 10:03:32 PM »


Yes and OP stated it was a new job with 4x the income and he/she is only 4 months in. Likely not equity/rsu related. The chances of a MAANG company hiring someone new from a 200k role and moving them to a 900k role is just about slim to none.


Yeah, come on y'all.  I could smell the troll the moment the thread went up.

Anyone who can make $1M/yr doesn't need the help of this forum.

You both don't realize how much money is in tech, apparently, and immediately assume trolling. I know a lot of people making $900k+ in tech at this point

In fact, I know many people making significantly more too depending on how high of level in management they get. I've also known people going from 200k roles to those types of roles.

The Wall of Shame is stacked up with years of stories of people living past their means no matter their income level.  The Case Study section has more than its share of folks with very high salaries looking for help from us.

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« Reply #85 on: January 01, 2023, 10:21:50 PM »


Yes and OP stated it was a new job with 4x the income and he/she is only 4 months in. Likely not equity/rsu related. The chances of a MAANG company hiring someone new from a 200k role and moving them to a 900k role is just about slim to none.


Yeah, come on y'all.  I could smell the troll the moment the thread went up.

Anyone who can make $1M/yr doesn't need the help of this forum.

You both don't realize how much money is in tech, apparently, and immediately assume trolling. I know a lot of people making $900k+ in tech at this point

In fact, I know many people making significantly more too depending on how high of level in management they get. I've also known people going from 200k roles to those types of roles.


Something you might want to consider is own occupation long term disability insurance @NattyAnn -- for super high earners in a given profession, most company provided long term disability policies are any occupation disability policies. So if you can't make your $900k income but can work for $50k/year it might not cover you. Own occupation is LTD but specific if you cannot work in your given occupation and is common for high income/specialized fields like medicine/law/etc. I personally think a lot more high earners should consider this.

For me, to get $100k/year of insurance if I'm disabled from working as a software engineer it's about $1k/year. This feels pretty reasonable to me as insurance during my working career given my income is much higher than what I'd get in any other field.

You also want to max what your employer gives, typically, and pay post-tax dollars, because IF you die, the income from it will also be post-tax (i.e. tax-free). 

 

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