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BTDretire

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How to retire without saving a Penny
« on: September 22, 2016, 03:50:43 PM »
You don't have to be rich or save a ton to retire. Believe it or not, you can retire comfortably without saving a penny. Here's how.
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http://tinyurl.com/znbn7pw

Edit.
 I receive an email, 'Money over 55' I clicked on the link and I got a message.

"Sorry, the page you're looking for is unavailable."

 OK. I thought it was funny.
Now I find all the links in the email are unavailable, so maybe it says
something about not saving a penny, but I'm sure it's negative.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 03:58:08 PM by Qmavam »

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 03:59:10 PM »
Is the link above supposed to link to THIS article?
https://www.thebalance.com/how-to-retire-without-saving-a-penny-4085058

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 04:11:17 PM »
Is the link above supposed to link to THIS article?
https://www.thebalance.com/how-to-retire-without-saving-a-penny-4085058
Probably, but I still can't get the email link to work. It is from TheBalance.com so I think yes, thanks for the link, I'll see what it says.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 04:26:08 PM »
It basically says to work a job that has a pension.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 05:41:41 PM »
It basically says to work a job that has a pension.
My employer withholds 8% of my paycheck every month and invests it on my behalf -- this is the money I'll eventually collect in the form of a pension; thus, I'd be saving ... even if I didn't recognize it. 

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 06:14:06 PM »
Funny. The actual article sounds like an argument to gamble with your life. Amounts to work for the government for most of your life (ugh!) or have no worries, social security will take care of you when you're on the welfare dole. No mention of the fact that pensions and welfare can disappear with a vote or a politicians whim. Even regular productive companies that hit hard time can cut pensions and offer nothing or a lesser payout if they go under or come on hard times. Put all the eggs in one basket they say...

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2016, 09:05:22 AM »
You don't have to be rich or save a ton to retire. Believe it or not, you can retire comfortably without saving a penny. Here's how.
Read Now    

(deleted link)

Edit.
 I receive an email, 'Money over 55' I clicked on the link and I got a message.

"Sorry, the page you're looking for is unavailable."

 OK. I thought it was funny.
Now I find all the links in the email are unavailable, so maybe it says
something about not saving a penny, but I'm sure it's negative.

Off topic, but - I never click on shortened URLs.  First I have no idea where they are leading and it seems a bit scammy for the target website to be hidden.  For my own enlightenment, do services such as tinyurl filter check and filter out spammy and malicious websites?
No they don't.  You can check on where it's sending you before you go though:
http://www.getlinkinfo.com/

And there are other ways to do it too, that's just one.

ETA:  All of those options sound pretty depressing to someone wanting to FIRE.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2016, 10:31:44 AM »

Off topic, but - I never click on shortened URLs.  First I have no idea where they are leading and it seems a bit scammy for the target website to be hidden.  For my own enlightenment, do services such as tinyurl filter check and filter out spammy and malicious websites?
Here's the original link.

http://moneyover55.about.com/od/verywell/fl/How-to-Retire-Without-Saving-a-Penny.htm?utm_content=20160922&utm_medium=email&utm_source=exp_nl&utm_campaign=list_moneyover55&utm_term=list_moneyover55

  That's why I shortened it. It still doesn't work for me.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2016, 10:46:22 AM »
Funny. The actual article sounds like an argument to gamble with your life. Amounts to work for the government for most of your life (ugh!) or have no worries, social security will take care of you when you're on the welfare dole. No mention of the fact that pensions and welfare can disappear with a vote or a politicians whim. Even regular productive companies that hit hard time can cut pensions and offer nothing or a lesser payout if they go under or come on hard times. Put all the eggs in one basket they say...

wow, that article was dumb. Get a job with a pension, or live on social security alone. But 401k doesn't count, because contributions are "your money". Ehh, they don't realize pension is also your money..? Just because you don't see it doesn't make it any less real.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2016, 11:19:33 AM »
Agreed.  It also ignores the macro-trend that "pensions" are going the way of home milk delivery, or delivery of the daily print newspaper.  That is:  pensions are the exception rather than the rule.   And more and more existing pensions are being handed over to 'pension aggregators', and I'm sure the ultimate pension amount for retirees is diminished through 'fees', and deterioration of specific pension 'funds' through graft and corruption.  401K is the way to go... 

BTW... the article also ignores 401K company matches with are *above and beyond* the contributor's money

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2016, 03:09:54 PM »
YOu have to work for government now since few companies are offering pensions. We both worked for less $ for government and now enjoy our pensions.  However, there is a reason you should retire on a 3 legged stool.  You have a safety net if one of the legs goes bad.  It is never wise to just count on one source for retirement income. I think most on this site have multiple streams of income planned for retirement.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2016, 09:40:46 PM »
I work for state government. It sure is nice to have a pension. I wish I started when I was younger. I am planning on calling quits as early as possible. That means I won't stick around to get full pension benefits. Partial benefits will still be nice though.
Obviously, no one should only rely on pension and social security. Keep saving as much as you can and invest. As @Cassie said, make sure you have a safety net.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2016, 06:28:27 AM »
I work for state government. It sure is nice to have a pension. I wish I started when I was younger. I am planning on calling quits as early as possible. That means I won't stick around to get full pension benefits. Partial benefits will still be nice though.
Obviously, no one should only rely on pension and social security. Keep saving as much as you can and invest. As @Cassie said, make sure you have a safety net.
Apologize since I don't know much about them, but is the payout ratio from pension that much higher than what you pay in, compared to say 4% WR from a portfolio? Do you have to save less? I know the calcs can be complicated so maybe this can be hard to tell, and depend on a lot of factors.

If it's just work for 10% lower salary and get 10% into a pension which in x years pay you the same as 4% from the same savings would it doesn't sound like a great deal.

The same site also say you can  save in a 401k and buy an annuity to make your own pension.. Seems to be an obsession of theirs.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2016, 06:50:24 AM »
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Apologize since I don't know much about them, but is the payout ratio from pension that much higher than what you pay in, compared to say 4% WR from a portfolio? Do you have to save less? I know the calcs can be complicated so maybe this can be hard to tell, and depend on a lot of factors.

If it's just work for 10% lower salary and get 10% into a pension which in x years pay you the same as 4% from the same savings would it doesn't sound like a great deal.

Payout percentage depends on the pension system. Each pension system is different. Even in the same state pension system, they may have different levels (unions and state governments fight about this all the time). Again, how much you pay into and what percentage of your salary you receive when you retire strictly depends on the pension system you are in. Having said that, I cannot imagine that anyone will do better by investing small percentage of their salary and make more than what they may have gotten from their pension. You get inflation adjusted payments rest of your life and if you die your wife will continue to receive benefits. In addition, some states will pay part of or full health care expenses until you reach medicare age (this depends on the years worked there). Again, It all depends on the pension system you are in.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2016, 03:31:36 PM »
Our pension system is pretty good. I worked 15 years and retired early ( at 58 not age 60) and receive 20k/year. My DH worked for 11 years at a much higher paying job and took it 7 years early and still gets 21/k/year. Overall, we are very happy with it. Our only regret is that we didn't work for the government when younger.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2016, 10:25:41 AM »
I live in a LCOL area, and many federal government positions here actually pay more, and offer a pension on top.  Good luck getting one though. 

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2016, 10:43:57 AM »
A friend is married to a teacher.  The teacher has never saved and she is counting on retiring on her pension.  She's eligible in a year or two.  Apparently the pension is pretty generous and she's confident it will be enough to fund her retirement (she also inherited a very expensive property that she rents out).

Sometimes I wish I found a job with a pension early on and stuck with it. Think about not having to save 20-30% of your income for years, or more likely decades, just so you can retire at a reasonable age.
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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 11:24:08 AM »
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Sometimes I wish I found a job with a pension early on and stuck with it. Think about not having to save 20-30% of your income for years, or more likely decades, just so you can retire at a reasonable age.

There is a misconception that everyone with a pension doesn't need to save for retirement.  The awesome thing about a pension is the virtual guarantee that it comes with.  Like 20 years ago, it was discussed at my job about switching to a 401K/457K type plan with an employer match instead of a pension.  For fun, I ran the numbers, and all things equal, if we had gone to the 457 back then, the average worker on my job would have been better off than with the pension today...all things equal.  Not to mention that the money would be theirs, and would not go away when they died. 

Another thing some don't realize is that many government workers with a defined pension plan do not receive social security, or receive it at a much lower rate if they contributed at other jobs.  In my case, I paid into social security for 12 years before obtaining my govt. job.  I forget what the percentages are, but I will receive like half of what someone else would receive who didn't have a pension, based on what I contributed...which kind of stinks. 

Also, as someone else stated, every pension is different.  The average guy/gal who retires from my job earns about 60K per year, in retirement, after working 32 years, with no cost of living increases and no eligibility for social security.  We contribute 6-7 percent of our pay a year toward this benefit, with my employer making up the difference to keep it solvent.  I live in a high cost of living area, median household incomes are about $77K/year.  That being said, smart people move somewhere cheap in retirement and can live very well, especially if they have another source of income.  All things considered, I'm glad I went the govt. route and would agree that a pension is a great perk.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2016, 11:24:44 AM »
My wife is s teacher and pays into a pension.  It's currently only 80% funded.(which they seem to think is ok?)  they have a plan to raise the contribution rate slowly to fully fund it within a certain time.  Their plan also expects investment returns of 8-10% annually.  No way I see that happening.  Probably what's going on with a lot of the other pensions as well.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2016, 11:31:53 AM »
About.com, wikihow, buzzfeed etc - just don't even bother. They are just bland generic useless sites.

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Re: How to retire without saving a Penny
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2016, 04:41:20 PM »
About.com, wikihow, buzzfeed etc - just don't even bother. They are just bland generic useless sites.

Interesting you say that, I have been getting a once a week email called,
'About Money Over 55' since early 2013. I think it has relevant articles regarding retirement planning, mostly written by Dana Anspach. However I see at the beginning of 2015 the 'From' name dropped Dana Anspach and became 'About.com About Money over 55". Dana Anspach is still writing articles.
 Last month the 'From' changed again, this time to 'The Balance.com Money over 55'.
This is a division of About.com. Dana still has articles in the links.
 I would not put Dana's articles in the bland, generic, useless site category in general.
  I will say however, when I first started getting the email I read then all, 3-1/2 years later, I notice I only read about 1 out of 8. Could be I'm spending a little to much time on the MMM forum. :-)