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How to legally own another person
« on: April 09, 2016, 07:41:23 AM »
Because I'm a fan of any article comparing employment to modern day slavery.

My favorite quote:

Perhaps by definition an employable person is the one that you will never find in a history book because these people are designed to never leave their mark on the course of events. They are, by design, uninteresting to historians.

http://evonomics.com/how-to-legally-own-another-person/

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2016, 08:03:18 AM »
Because I'm a fan of any article comparing employment to modern day slavery.

My favorite quote:

Perhaps by definition an employable person is the one that you will never find in a history book because these people are designed to never leave their mark on the course of events. They are, by design, uninteresting to historians.

http://evonomics.com/how-to-legally-own-another-person/



I've yet to read the article, but my first thought on this subject is that people make themselves "slaves" not companies. The most tied down I ever felt in my life was my six years of self employment, and I only worked 20-30 days a year. The rest of my working career, I did a job I was proud of, and if it no longer suited me I moved on. Interestingly enough, this combination more often than not generally kept employers trying to hang on to me
In regards to the quote- my first thought is who cares? The chances of anyone leaving "a mark" on the course of events that reaches beyond a generation or two is small. The chances of them leaving a mark that is truly for the good of mankind, even smaller.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2016, 08:22:08 AM »
In regards to the quote- my first thought is who cares? The chances of anyone leaving "a mark" on the course of events that reaches beyond a generation or two is small. The chances of them leaving a mark that is truly for the good of mankind, even smaller.

...and the chances of any mark that anyone leaves lasting forever: zero. Humankind will perish into a deep black hole of nothingness sooner or later if it makes you feel any better.

Bottom line: we are all slaves of sorts. If nothing else, our minds are slaves to our bodies. While certainly more risk-adverse, I don't necessarily agree that an employee is any more indebted to his employer than an entrepreneur is to his customers. In either scenario, neither is completely free and neither can do exactly what they want. It's only when either gain F.I. that either can pick and choose what they want to do.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2016, 08:36:45 AM »
My favorite quote:

Perhaps by definition an employable person is the one that you will never find in a history book because these people are designed to never leave their mark on the course of events. They are, by design, uninteresting to historians.

Yeah, this is a whole lot of nonsense.  Most people who have made a mark on history have been employees of someone.  Louis Pasteur showed an experimental basis for germ theory, figured out the origins of chirality, and helped develop some of the first vaccines, all while he was employed at a series of universities.  Einstein worked initially in the Swiss patent office, then at a series of universities of Europe and the US.  Marie Curie, did the research to earn Nobel prizes in both chemistry and physics while she was a professor in Paris.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2016, 08:38:42 AM »
My favorite quote:

Perhaps by definition an employable person is the one that you will never find in a history book because these people are designed to never leave their mark on the course of events. They are, by design, uninteresting to historians.

Why do you like the quote? The same is true for most of humanity, be they self-employed or employees. Most scientists are employees. I don't see a reason to diss them. I also haven't seen any astronauts that were self-employed/contractors... Well, I guess you could write it on your business card and offer your services. But not sure about the chances of leaving a mark on history that way.

I don't know, the more I think about the quote, the less impressed I am with it.

(No, I am not an employee, I have been self-employed for years, but I see the a personal matter of preference, not as a life changing category that differentiates me fundamentally from people that prefer to work in employment).

edit: Well, beltim beat me to it. People whose name start with "Be" - now that's something to be impressed of. ;)

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2016, 04:21:17 PM »
My favorite quote:

Perhaps by definition an employable person is the one that you will never find in a history book because these people are designed to never leave their mark on the course of events. They are, by design, uninteresting to historians.

Why do you like the quote? The same is true for most of humanity, be they self-employed or employees. Most scientists are employees. I don't see a reason to diss them. I also haven't seen any astronauts that were self-employed/contractors... Well, I guess you could write it on your business card and offer your services. But not sure about the chances of leaving a mark on history that way.

I don't know, the more I think about the quote, the less impressed I am with it.

(No, I am not an employee, I have been self-employed for years, but I see the a personal matter of preference, not as a life changing category that differentiates me fundamentally from people that prefer to work in employment).

edit: Well, beltim beat me to it. People whose name start with "Be" - now that's something to be impressed of. ;)

I appreciated the quote in the context of the article.  The article itself was worth a read.  I didn't intend to get pedantic about whether people have made history by being an employee or doing something different.

The point is simply that those who thrive at fitting in to corporate cultures really aren't interesting people.  Myself included.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2016, 12:50:44 PM »
Yeah I use the term "wage-slave" from time to time, but in actuality nobody is a slave to their employer. Financial incentive for employees to stick around and be at least somewhat loyal is the whole point of paying more than a temp/contractor. The flip side of that is consultants. Employees are more valuable for long term work, even if there are some slow periods. Depends on the company's needs.

Personally I currently value the stability of being an employee. I value stability over lucrative but unpredictable of consultant or contractor. That is primarily a function of debt though. My debt is all student loans and can only exist because government has a monopoly on the use of violence and uses that violence to manipulate the free market. Schools jack prices up because the banks will lend any amount because they have no risk on student loans because government backs it all if the borrower dies and won't allow discharge in bankruptcy. Ironically I predict I will be a victim of being significantly and permanently injured by someone else, and never receive a penny because bankruptcy... i.e. Because government. Over a relatively minor sum of money.

In any event, government has figured out how to own another person. It's not to own them entirely as a 100% slave, that is not cost effective and can never work without being subsidized heavily. The U.S. government figured that out fairly quickly. The way to make it work is to give the slave enough freedom to choose to produce what they desire, to have some choices for how to live their life. Just take a real bit slice off the top. That works well, but it works even better when you take a large slice (income tax) and many smaller slices (property tax, sales tax, gas tax, marriage tax, road tax, social security tax, payroll tax, medicare tax, phone tax, unemployment tax, tobacco tax, alcohol tax, airline tax, fishing tax, hunting tax, etc...). If the slices are small enough and enough choices are allowed you might even be able to take over 70% of a persons income, productive effort, or labor... Over 70% slavery, and they won't even know it!

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2016, 05:05:35 PM »
You mean slavery like this?



Or this?



Being an employee or a tax paying citizen is a mere annoyance compared to slavery.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2016, 10:11:32 AM »
People who are wage-slaves typically due it to themselves due to debt, ego, lifestyle, etc.

When hiring a salesperson and you have a choice between two or more highly qualified people you always choose the one that has more material desires as they will spin that hamster wheel faster than the other.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2016, 08:38:37 PM »
I don't think anyone actually read the article.....

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2016, 09:50:49 PM »
I don't think anyone actually read the article.....

Nothing new here. People would rather be snarky over two sentences and add to the sea of cacophony than actually read anything.

For what it's worth, I did read it over the weekend. I could pick a few bones with his particular ideological bent towards believing that contract labor is actually more stable, he could be heavily schooled historically and theologically about the gyrovagues, and I could disagree on a few points where he misses the bigger picture despite over-generalizing, but the general thrust is relatively accurate in regard to first world white collar and blue collar information service workers being slaves to money and exploited through over-specialization.

The most ironic thing that delights me to no end is the fact that this guy is basically calling most every person in this forum a slave, and I can't entirely disagree with that. The people who are truly free aren't the ones with F-U money, they're the ones who know how to survive without money in the toolbox to begin with.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2016, 10:27:44 PM »
Read the article and comments.

So Mr. Taleb used to work as a banker? Probably the most interesting part of the article, his retelling of it all, but how much of these banks strategies is actually representative of employer/employee relationships across the nation? Sending Joe blow to a foreign country with all the perks for 5 years and bring him back used to the high life, minus the chaufer to make sure he'll stay....the theory sounds laughable and like a giant waste of money.

I think the reason the majority of people are wage slaves is because of bad decisions. Have kids, buy stupid shit, etc. Not because of some global conspiracy that traps workers. Interestingly the article ends on the badass note of guys who don't give a f***. Would have been more balanced had he dug further.
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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2016, 10:35:52 PM »
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The most ironic thing that delights me to no end is the fact that this guy is basically calling most every person in this forum a slave, and I can't entirely disagree with that. The people who are truly free aren't the ones with F-U money, they're the ones who know how to survive without money in the toolbox to begin with.

Great point. And it describes MMM to a T.

Free from needing money =/= having a shit ton of money.

To be fair tho, the end result can seem similar. One takes a while to achieve however.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2016, 07:14:40 AM »
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The most ironic thing that delights me to no end is the fact that this guy is basically calling most every person in this forum a slave, and I can't entirely disagree with that. The people who are truly free aren't the ones with F-U money, they're the ones who know how to survive without money in the toolbox to begin with.

Great point. And it describes MMM to a T.

Free from needing money =/= having a shit ton of money.

To be fair tho, the end result can seem similar. One takes a while to achieve however.

Funny, the other day I had a junior employee telling me and laughing about a homeless guy spread eagle sleeping on a corner and complaining about professional beggars.  I told her that the person may in fact be perfectly happy with his situation and completely free....after all who wouldn't want to take a mid-day nap on a warm sunny day...I know I can't and neither can the junior employee.  If you always want more you will never be happy and the more you have the less free you are. 

I also had to inform her that while there are full time beggars who are otherwise capable of employment, there are people that do in fact fall on hard times from unemployment, loss of spouse, drugs, and more but also that a significant population of the homeless community suffers from some or multiple forms of mental illness.

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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 08:08:17 AM »
And it describes MMM to a T.

Perhaps it does - though it most definitely describes his message more than his actions at times. However, all that aside, this very point has been missed by a great majority of the people posting here.
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Re: How to legally own another person
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2016, 02:04:12 PM »
I read the article. I *kinda* get what the author is saying but, the article is so poorly written that it really interferes with comprehension. The article is written at the 8th grade level - many sentences are fragmentary or unreadable. Paragraph transitions are missing. Spelling and tense errors are frequent. Historical references come and go like the wind while many grand generalizations are made with no support.

His idea may have some merit but, I'm finding it hard to comment when the text reads like something off a conspiracy website.

 

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