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Adam Zapple

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How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« on: February 21, 2018, 08:42:04 AM »
Can anyone tell me how to value a $50,000 dollar per year pension that I take at 43 years old?  I am a male, if that matters.  There is no cost of living increase...it will remain $50000 until my wife and I both pass.

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Re: How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2018, 08:48:25 AM »
Look on immediateannuities.com and shop for an immediate annuity.  Enter various lump sum numbers until the average payout is $50k a year.

Why do you need to know the lump sum equivalent? 

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Re: How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 10:11:44 AM »
Can anyone tell me how to value a $50,000 dollar per year pension that I take at 43 years old?  I am a male, if that matters.  There is no cost of living increase...it will remain $50000 until my wife and I both pass.
It depends on your joint life expectancy and the rate of return you would get on the lump sum.

See Excel's "PV" calculation.

Adam Zapple

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Re: How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 12:10:27 PM »
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Look on immediateannuities.com and shop for an immediate annuity.  Enter various lump sum numbers until the average payout is $50k a year.

Why do you need to know the lump sum equivalent? 

I'm having a hard time figuring out how a fixed payout asset like a pension fits into my total FI number.  I just figure it is another tool I can use.  I have no intents of selling it.

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Re: How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 12:24:03 PM »
Do you have an annuity or a pension?  You say 'I don't plan on selling it'... you can't sell a pension, so I'm wondering if you actually have an annuity.  Or do you have the ability to take a lump sum from the pension?

Are you being given different payout options?  The way you describe is a joint with 100% survivor.  Is this the only option you're being given?


At age 43 you and your wife will have an (average) life expectancy of 38 years.  $50,000 discounted at a 5% rate over that time period is roughly $850,000.

Adam Zapple

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Re: How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 12:53:55 PM »
I definitely have a pension.  I was under the impression you could sell just about anything to JG Wentworth at 877-CASH-NOW :)  (This is a local advertisement that comes on in my area trying to buy legal settlements etc)

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Re: How to calculate the "lump sum" dollar value of a pension
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 05:53:13 PM »
I definitely have a pension.  I was under the impression you could sell just about anything to JG Wentworth at 877-CASH-NOW :)  (This is a local advertisement that comes on in my area trying to buy legal settlements etc)

Sure, but they discount more like 50%. Gotta pay for those commercials.

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!