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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2015, 09:23:59 AM »
I had no hesitation telling family or friends. My parents are both 1st generation, and I learned a lot from watching their spending habits--so of course they're proud of me. And my friends are mostly like-minded. But yeaaaaaah, I will think twice before telling the internet again.

This is the blog post I made, which has a photo of the garden in winter
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Erica, I love your blog! Mine is mostly for writing stuff. I used to run one over at suburbansustainability.com but I ended up having to drop it with everything else I'm trying to do. This is what my garden looks like right now. The empty space in the back between the green beans is where we harvested round 1 of potatoes. I love growing our own food! There's a lot of work when we're turning it over from winter to summer and vice versa, but once it's going, the maintenance isn't so bad. And it's all organic and very tasty. Toward the end of the season I get a little fatigued on certain food items (BEET LEAVES), but it's worth it!

I've gleaned some awesome new ideas from this site already. I don't necessarily want to retire super quickly so much as take a demotion in the not-too-distant future, and then go to part-time.
I love the garden!

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2015, 09:37:40 AM »
That topic's been discussed a lot around here, but I found that it's better not to tell too much to people, if they are not likely minded.

Let alone the idea of FI and RE, I've tried the idea of telling some friends about "building a safety stash, leaving the corporate world, and run my own side business". People's replies were in general enough for me to not even mention that my stash would actually cover everything and that I wouldn't technically need to work.

Got the same kind of reply from friends *and* family ( my experience on my blog here )

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2015, 10:09:30 AM »
DW & I haven't told a soul out our RE plans, and we definitely don't share our net worth info ... not even my frugal parents.

I tend to answer questions regarding our frugality with "We have a pretty big mortgage that we are trying to pay off".  That's going to be tough to say when it's actually paid off.  I'm almost convinced to drag the mortgage out longer in order to keep that excuse in my pocket ... almost :)

Anyways, welcome to the forum!  I'm relatively new here and amazed by the absolute wealth of information shared freely by members here. This place is awesome.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2015, 10:12:22 AM »
Um, I have the conversation with people who ask for advice or help. But mostly I keep it to myself.



In my experience, I've literally never had one of my family or friends ask me for help or financial advice.  Has that been your experience, too, or no?  They will complain about money, but then when I try to transition into talking about actual solutions or recommendations, their eyes glaze over.  It could be that I'm just hellaboring... Does this happen to anybody else?
I'm really big on saving money on groceries, and just not shopping.  So when I mention that I just set a budget and try to stick to it, I think that resonates.

Like the friend who did the vacation groupon - we actually don't travel 1/3 as much as they do.  But when we do, I look in advance, look for condos instead of hotels.  If I can't find a reasonable condo I look for a hotel with a fridge and microwave.  But I'm not interested in downgrading to a motel 6. 

Our friends stopped where we were vacationing on a whim.  They couldn't get a place in our hotel/ condo because they were booked, but they stayed nearby and came over.  On one hand, it was frugal because we all hung out by the pool instead of paying for entertainment.  The food and drinks at the pool were reasonably priced (though my family only bought a small item, because we ate in the condo).  I think they got a bit of the picture because they joined us for dinner in the condo and ate some of our stuff we had leftover from camping.

On the other hand, they didn't have swimgear.  So, what would have I done in that situation?  Probably gone to Kmart, Walmart, or Target and got some cheap stuff.  They spent $150-200 on really nice suits.

I made it a goal to spend $0 on clothing this year for me.  Right now I'm at $10 for new undies.  We are heading home for a couple of weeks in the summer, probably swim in the lake.  I could really use a new 2-piece suit, so I can get in and out easily.  I have mis-matching pieces.  I have two bottoms that fit, some board shorts that are too big.  I have two tops - one is too small (dang ribcage and shoulders got broader after baby #2) and one that's a little big.  So, what am I going to do?

I'm going to take the bottoms that fit, the top that's a little big, and my $20 one-piece that I swim in at the Y and just DEAL with it.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 10:15:32 AM by mm1970 »

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2015, 10:35:05 AM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2015, 10:39:18 AM »
Ha, I saw your reddit post the other day and there are still people referring to you as crazy lunatics whose experience applies to nobody. Steer clear of /r/personalfinance and head over to /r/financialindependence. That's much more up your alley. The personal finance guys tend to want to live fancy and in bigger cities but "responsibly" rather than on consumer credit.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2015, 11:38:30 AM »
My wife and I are well off due to years of saving and investing. Most of our family, all very nice people, live paycheck to paycheck or close to it. We do not share our financial situation with them. If I told some of them we are debt free and don't have to work they would either not believe me or have a stroke. It would also cause resentment and jealousy. When I visit family I drive my 13 year old Ford truck and wear my Goodwill shirts. Everyone loves me because I'm so down to earth. We find ways to share our good fortune with the family without giving away any secrets. If you have any wealth, it's probably best to be discreet.

This was very well written, and for the most part captures our experiences with frugality/saving/investing and FIRE right down to the 13 year old Ford and Goodwill threads...ok, my Ford is only 12 years old...

My sister probably knows the most (including hard numbers) because she's trying to learn herself. I also know exactly what her husband makes, saves for retirement, and their net worth (helped her upload stuff to mint).

Other than that, we keep our mouths shut. Like the guy above said, resentment and jealousy are things you want to avoid even though you absolutely don't deserve it!

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2015, 11:47:07 AM »
I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon
That is crazy, can you pretend you got fired not actually FIRE? Pretend to go on unemployment and struggle like all your friends. Then at least you don't have to wake up in the morning to go to 'pretend work.'

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2015, 11:55:30 AM »
Um, I have the conversation with people who ask for advice or help. But mostly I keep it to myself.



In my experience, I've literally never had one of my family or friends ask me for help or financial advice.  Has that been your experience, too, or no?  They will complain about money, but then when I try to transition into talking about actual solutions or recommendations, their eyes glaze over.  It could be that I'm just hellaboring... Does this happen to anybody else?


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My family and my friends never ask for financial advice, but dont complain or ask for money.
All of them making 100K + per household and yet I am pretty sure having hard time to save anything.
When I start conversation about ideas how to save, invest etc they would change subject and generally dont want to talk about it.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2015, 12:00:02 PM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

How can you possibly be close friends with someone in whom you have so little respect?

I think that what a lot of these threads boil down to.  Family is different in that you can't choose them.  But you pick your friends.  I choose to surround myself with people who I trust and respect.  And as a result, they are happy with me to the extent that they are aware of my situation, and I have no doubts they'd be happy if they knew more (but I don't discuss as, like I mentioned before, I find discussing money in most situations to be rude.)  I truly can't imagine keeping someone in my life if I felt so sure they would react badly to my happy situation that I felt the need to fake an job!

Friends know of my travels around Europe, and they are happy that I'm getting this amazing experience.  They probably couldn't afford it (especially because we travel somewhat cheaply and they probably don't), in part because they have different lives full of kids and karate lessons and dance classes.  But they are self-aware enough to know that my life is different than theirs because of our choices, and that their choices and mine all have upsides and downsides.  And we are all happy for each other for our successes and joys, and sad for the failures and stresses.  And that's *why* they are my friends.  If I didn't trust them enough to be happy, or respect them enough not to lie, they wouldn't be.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2015, 12:00:57 PM »
My wife and internet forums like this. My parents know i am frugal but i have not told them my long term plans. My in laws i dunno, that's up to my wife and she hasn't said much to them. My mom once told me that my sister thinks i am the millionaire next door and my response was not yet.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2015, 01:00:56 PM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon
OMG.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2015, 01:07:01 PM »
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.

This is pretty crazy. You should contact a movie producer to make a movie out of this.
In all seriousness, good luck finding a solution :/

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2015, 01:27:30 PM »

This is pretty crazy. You should contact a movie producer to make a movie out of this.
In all seriousness, good luck finding a solution :/

If you think that's crazy... You don't want to know my plane-journey-in-disguise story, then. The movie guy might! Haha. (That story I'm taking to my grave) ;-)

Re:the fake work--yes, it's nuts. But it's my first week of RE, and I just need to buy some time to sort it out. :-/

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2015, 01:38:20 PM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon
OMG, that's crazy!  Why don't you just get a "new job" and work from home?  My plan is to keep my current business, but to work from home 100% of the time.  I really don't think telling people I'm RE would ever work unless I"m over 70, so whenever it does actually happen, I fully intend to keep "working from home".  The upside is that whenever I want to get out of going somewhere, I can always pull the old "traveling for work".

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2015, 01:43:25 PM »
Congrats on the house payoff, and welcome to MMM!!

I probably overshare too much, and am going to try to stop. ;) I don't talk about incomes or exact dollar amounts saved, but I talk about my plans to retire early, "by age 50" (but likely earlier than that), and how we make choices that are generally frugal (living close to work, in a cheap apartment, driving older cars, owning almost nothing "fancy" at all), which allows us to do fun stuff (vacations, concerts, good food). We just got back from a trip to Europe in May. We were also in Europe last summer. It's going to be a few years before we can do anything like that again (husband in grad school and will be job hunting when he graduates next year), but I'm sure it looks to friends/family that we are rolling in money. The fact is, our monthly expenses are just really low and our incomes are healthy, with no debt.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2015, 01:51:14 PM »
I love your dog!

Skimming the reddit post, I think it is less vitriol and more personal finance nerds wanting details.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2015, 01:55:47 PM »
I don't really share my plans with anyone. Most people find talking about money/finance etc. to be boring so I never bring it up.

My friends do have a pretty decent idea of how much money I make so occasionally when I say something like, "I don't want to do X or buy Y because I'm trying to save money right now" they will respond with something like, "Come on, I know you're making a lot of money," and I'll deflect it by saying something like, "Yeah, but honestly most if it goes into retirement or my house or taxes and stuff."

People usually aren't curious enough to ask questions beyond that.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2015, 02:05:39 PM »
Welcome and congrats on the mortgage!

We are just starting to talk about it because we are reaching some major milestones this year and it feels amazing ( 81% savings rate, 6 years to FIRE, 2 years to mortgage payoff, etc).   We tend to not talk about our accomplishments but our goals, mostly to avoid anger/jeolously/requests for handouts.
 
My choice would be to scream it from the mountaintops and share the knowledge with every stranger i ever meet because it feels so awesome to be free from the burdens of consumerism (BE FREE PEOPLE, BE FREE!!!!), but I am playing it by ear right now.  Sometimes i bring it up if the conversation is right or someone asks me, sometimes i bite my tongue so hard it could bleed.  I think in the long run though i'm going to try to ignore the hate and get others on board if i can. 

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2015, 02:11:31 PM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

This is actually kinda sad. I'm trying to imagine how anyone can be this close to someone (that they occasionally stay over and/or are considered "best friend"), yet at the same time lacks basic trust in them and maintains secrecy about such a significant aspect of your life.
Weird.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2015, 02:18:23 PM »
Um, I have the conversation with people who ask for advice or help. But mostly I keep it to myself.



In my experience, I've literally never had one of my family or friends ask me for help or financial advice.  Has that been your experience, too, or no?  They will complain about money, but then when I try to transition into talking about actual solutions or recommendations, their eyes glaze over.  It could be that I'm just hellaboring... Does this happen to anybody else?
I was known as the one to go to at two schools, plus my mom brags a lot on my knowledge so I helped some of her coworkers.  I've helped set up IRAs, determine how much to go in.  Referred people to here for sofi, helped people set up payment plans for student loans etc.  I was known to be frugal but we rarely talked numbers just the cheapest/best way to do something.
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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2015, 02:45:26 PM »
In my experience, I've literally never had one of my family or friends ask me for help or financial advice.  Has that been your experience, too, or no?  They will complain about money, but then when I try to transition into talking about actual solutions or recommendations, their eyes glaze over.  It could be that I'm just hellaboring... Does this happen to anybody else?

Yes.

GF's sister is really bad with money an routinely finds herself in tough spots. GF would try to help but eventually gave up saying, "When she's ready to change, she knows she can come to me." or something like that. I guess that's probably the best approach to take.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2015, 04:28:58 PM »
My mom once told me that my sister thinks i am the millionaire next door and my response was not yet.

This cracked me up!

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« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2015, 05:53:42 PM »
Almost everyone who knows me, knows my plans. Only my parents know the details of my net worth and income, but even work acquaintances know that I want to retire early. It usually came up when I stopped drinking at happy hours and had to explain that no, I wasn't pregnant, and no, I wasn't an alcoholic, I mainly wanted to save money. (Half the time this resulted in someone offering me a drink, which I would refuse and end up going into my other reasons for quitting.)

Reactions run the gamut, but most people are a mix of amused, encouraging, and disbelieving. Honestly, most people are much more shocked that I gave up alcohol and coffee. That really needles people for some reason.

I want to freelance as a PF coach, specializing in women with student loans or consumer debt, so I will freely talk about my plans when the topic of money or jobs arises. My first three pro bono clients only came about because I was talking about frugality and saving with friends and they asked me for help.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2015, 06:37:43 PM »
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My mom once told me that my sister thinks i am the millionaire next door and my response was not yet.

My own mother said this to me. I told her to read that book. It's next on her list!

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2015, 08:59:51 PM »
Close family I tell everything. My parents and siblings know my hourly pay and exact savings plans. I know my siblings' too. We just tend to share this stuff.

Close friends I tell mostly everything, too, but only when the topics arise (less often than family).

Regular friends I tell more vague information and goal outlines to, usually only when specifically asked.

Co-workers and acquaintances I actively avoid relating financial information to and I tend to expect them to do the same.

I find that the less close you are to someone, the more tension financial talk (especially anything interpreted as boasting) will tend to cause in the long run, so I meter accordingly.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2015, 10:12:08 PM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

Wow, Pigeon, you have got to tell him SOME approximation of the truth.  The hoops you are jumping through are crazy. 

How about "worked sucked and I couldn't take it anymore so I quit!"  Tell him you have a little bit saved so you'll coast for a while/focus on your music/other serious hobby.  IIRC you're partnered, so after a while you can just say it's tight but you can get by on spouse's earnings (or "contract work"/"freelancing").

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2015, 03:17:40 AM »
Um, I have the conversation with people who ask for advice or help. But mostly I keep it to myself.

In my experience, I've literally never had one of my family or friends ask me for help or financial advice.  Has that been your experience, too, or no?  They will complain about money, but then when I try to transition into talking about actual solutions or recommendations, their eyes glaze over.  It could be that I'm just hellaboring... Does this happen to anybody else?

After my financial "savvy" came out, I wound up helping both of my roommates with their finances -- as in, we sat down and spent hours going through their numbers/situation and figuring out the best way to budget, pay down debt, and save/invest. I'll disclose whatever details I feel is appropriate to set a good example (e.g. "I keep six to twelve months of expenses for an emergency fund", "I max out my 401(k) and Roth IRA", or "I spend less than half my salary"), but I don't disclose my actual net worth because, well, I don't want to get murdered in my sleep. :)

I try to keep much more mum at work, though, mostly because I wouldn't want to compromise opportunities for career advancement or spook my managers. But I love most of my co-workers and I'm willing to help them out too, albeit slightly more discretely. Like, recently I attended an HR workshop about changes to our 401(k) plan, and saw one of my co-workers also there. We chatted afterwards, and I helped him choose investments in his 401(k) (I recommended low-cost Vanguard index funds, naturally :D), and I also made him an asset allocation/rebalancing spreadsheet.

When people kvetch in general, though, they're mostly blowing off steam or looking for a sympathetic ear, not asking for help or an itemized list of facepunches for everything they're doing "wrong". If they don't bite after a brief overture, I just move on. I don't want to come across as pushy or bragging. This forum is my main outlet, and that's fine.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2015, 06:18:49 AM »
I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon
That is crazy, can you pretend you got fired not actually FIRE? Pretend to go on unemployment and struggle like all your friends. Then at least you don't have to wake up in the morning to go to 'pretend work.'

this is different but not crazy, consider the wacos that have two wives and dont tell, this is just trying to not hurt others. if i was fire i could see myself doing the same. might bring books or mathmatical equations to work on to pass the time though at the local starbucks.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2015, 10:34:34 AM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

This is actually kinda sad. I'm trying to imagine how anyone can be this close to someone (that they occasionally stay over and/or are considered "best friend"), yet at the same time lacks basic trust in them and maintains secrecy about such a significant aspect of your life.
Weird.

It is sad but it's really hard to go against your own click.  She lives in the People's Republic of San Francisco for God's sake. Just when and how she comes out of the closet has to be her call.  BTW, it's not that unusual.  In his book on military retirement Nord recounts how one service member suited up and left for work weekdays after retirement so as not to freak out the kids.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2015, 12:05:02 PM »
But how much do you all tell the people around you about your lifestyle and accomplishments? I don't think the people that know us directly are resentful, because they've seen how we live. But what about people that don't see your day-to-day? I mean, they think you must be rich, right? They get angry.

Do you just keep it to yourself? I thought I'd be helping people by sharing the techniques we used and how we saved...
I've been blogging for nearly five years (and writing for a decade before that).  I've started doing more podcast and video appearances, too.  As I've become more public, I've started to share more of the numbers like "25% tax bracket" and "accredited investor".  I'm not ready to go into detailed updates like J. Money's Million Dollar Club (http://www.budgetsaresexy.com/2008/04/my-millionaire-to-do-list/) but that's still on my radar.

First, of course, you're not going to flaunt it (let alone make a target of yourself).

Second, it's worth highlighting the mistakes that you made enroute your lifestyle and accomplishments.  Even if people think you're lucky (or privileged) they'll still appreciate your self-deprecating screwups. 

Third, there's nothing to apologize for.  You didn't become a millionaire by working at Goldman Sachs, let alone breeding kittens for fur coats.  You worked your assets off and saved like crazy, just like anyone else would if they shared your same motivations.  You gave up things that had no value for you (whether that's a daily Starbucks or a $2M McMansion) and aligned your spending with your values (like seven-year mortgages).

Finally, there are some socially-acceptable statements that can help you determine how much your listeners want to hear:
"We live a beach-bum lifestyle so we're doing fine on our savings."
"We're taking a few months off to spend more time doing the things that are important to us." 
"Yeah, we're rich by society's standards, but in this case our money has to last the rest of our lives.  If we spent like we were rich then we'd be poor by 2019."
Eventually that might morph into:
"Well, we lowered our expenses and boosted our savings rate to over 50%, and today we're following the 4% SWR."
and you could have a more detailed conversation to share your techniques.  But 90% of the people you meet will have moved on before that point.  They might need your help, but they're not yet ready to want it.  When the time comes, they know where to find you.

... but I've gotten a ton of angry comments and some honest-to-God hate mail.
You could look at that a couple of ways.

First, you're a blogger.  If you're going to stay a blogger then you'll develop a thick skin.

Those angry comments and hate mail are directed at you because your writing was powerful enough to get those people off their butts and inspire them to compose their commentary.  (Otherwise you'd never hear from them.)  Take it as a compliment. 

They're also boosting your blog's popularity on SEO and search engines.  They might even be clicking on your ads-- so you're earning from their anger!

I suspect that any thoughtful reader of their comments would soon discount their hostility and pay more attention to your reading. 

I've attracted some hardcore trolls over the years who have figured out my name and my home address.  None of them have ever mustered up the effort to contact me by e-mail or phone, let alone in person.  I've met one of them at two different conferences now, and each time he's studiously avoided eye contact-- let alone conflict.  In all but the most unpredictable and rare circumstances, the people who are sending you angry comments and hate mail will not do anything more than that.

I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

This is actually kinda sad. I'm trying to imagine how anyone can be this close to someone (that they occasionally stay over and/or are considered "best friend"), yet at the same time lacks basic trust in them and maintains secrecy about such a significant aspect of your life.
Weird.

It is sad but it's really hard to go against your own click.  She lives in the People's Republic of San Francisco for God's sake. Just when and how she comes out of the closet has to be her call.  BTW, it's not that unusual.  In his book on military retirement Nord recounts how one service member suited up and left for work weekdays after retirement so as not to freak out the kids.
Thanks, Eric, the extended-play version of that ER's advice is at this post:
http://the-military-guide.com/2013/06/10/im-setting-a-good-example-by-working-at-a-job/

Pigeon, I suspect that your problems with your ex-BF/BFF are more than financial.  When you eventually reveal the truth (or get caught in a lie) then you'll find out exactly what type of friend you have.  If you can't handle that discussion now, then maybe this friend isn't quite the best friend you feel that they are.

You could test the waters by explaining the simple truth-- that you "accidentally pivoted a hobby into a median-plus income job" and that you're going to be taking more time off from work.  If your BFF is really a friend then they'll be happy for you.  If they're jealous or envious, or if it otherwise affects the relationship, then they weren't much of a friend to begin with.

As for the rest of your crowd, you could always take the approach of "I'm taking a few months off to <spend time with family><focus on my art><find a better job>".  Most people interpret that as "I'm unemployed and I really need a job..." so they won't ask a bunch of probing questions.  If you dress like a beach bum and spend a lot of time surfing then they'll worry that you'll ask them to lend you money.  At least that's been my personal experience.
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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2015, 02:25:08 PM »
Thanks, Eric, the extended-play version of that ER's advice is at this post:
http://the-military-guide.com/2013/06/10/im-setting-a-good-example-by-working-at-a-job/


This is a great article!

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2015, 03:24:27 PM »
Thanks, Eric, the extended-play version of that ER's advice is at this post:
http://the-military-guide.com/2013/06/10/im-setting-a-good-example-by-working-at-a-job/


This is a great article!
Thanks!

I get some of my best posts from forum questions like these...

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #83 on: June 13, 2015, 05:18:06 PM »
People do get jealous which I find weird. When we retired at 53 & 58 some of our friends were jealous that we had small pensions. They were only $20,000 each & our health insurance cost $10,000/year.  Still they were older & had to keep working. WE chose to only semi-retire & work p.t. from home. Eventually one of the friendships dissolved.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2015, 12:54:40 PM »
I discuss FIRE with my very good friend who Ive grown up with like a brother, I talked with him about purchasing index funds and holding for decades right after the 2008 financial collapse and it sunk in. I share every fund purchase with him to start a little friendly competition. Other friends are not very receptive, the 'worst offenders' in terms of wasteful spending and debt are often the least receptive.

My friends know that I hate to spend money on things like furniture, clothing, vehicle modifications (a seemingly big deal for younger people), or fancy toys. I aim for the smallest recurring group of monthly expenses i can get, and until my dumb phone died last year I was the last smartphone holdout of the bunch. But in some areas I will splurge, on a good PC, on very good all terrain tires, and on bulk purchases of meat to smoke and freeze which lasts all year.

I think the general consensus by people who know me is that I dont give a fuck and I work too much, which is right, but the driver behind it all is a stash of cash that keeps on growing even if I stop working. I guess thats better than being perceived as butting in where I dont belong by discussing FIRE with friends living paycheck to paycheck.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #85 on: June 14, 2015, 01:52:32 PM »
People do get jealous which I find weird. When we retired at 53 & 58 some of our friends were jealous that we had small pensions. They were only $20,000 each & our health insurance cost $10,000/year.  Still they were older & had to keep working. WE chose to only semi-retire & work p.t. from home. Eventually one of the friendships dissolved.

Only $20k each?

That's a pretty hefty pension, give me two of those and I'm retired tomorrow! :)

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2015, 02:39:27 PM »
Do you just keep it to yourself? I thought I'd be helping people sby sharing the techniques we used and how we saved, but I've gotten a ton of angry comments and some honest-to-God hate mail.

I pretty much keep details of what I have accumulated to myself. I answer any questions in a broader sense like I'm doing OK. Or I can hint around at work that I can financially leave anytime. Let them read between the lines. I've found others generally aren't interested in learning the living below your means lifestyle and invest the difference philosophy. I know many people who make a decent living but are into consumer spending heavily. Big house, new cars. Their kids in high school driving 3 year old luxury car. They have no desire to change.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #87 on: June 14, 2015, 03:26:24 PM »
I'm doing my best to adhere to "stealth wealth," with a weird situation.
I'm a musician that [(used to, as of last Friday) :-D] have a day job. All my friends are struggling artists and musicians, either scraping by on small grants, lessons or gigs/sales in their arts specialty or in low-pay jobs like barista/retail.
I was lucky to accidentally pivot a hobby into a median-plus income job and saved my tail off.
I can't tell any of my art friends. I don't know how they would relate, but my guess is it could adversely affect our relationship. So I am currently lying to them all. ("My job sucks! We were busy today! TGIF!").
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

Other than that silly exercise, RE is great, so far!
-The Pigeon

The Pigeon,

First of all, congratulations on FIRE. Way to go!

Second, I sort of know where you're coming from. We have several friends who are doing reasonably well financially, are frugal in most matters, yet subtly try to get out of paying for lunches or drinks if there's a group outing. If any of them had a clearer picture of our stache, this might turn a minor annoyance into a real problem. When my better half has down time (works two part-time jobs), these are the friends who come out of the woodwork asking for help on different projects, for little or no compensation, naturally.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #88 on: June 14, 2015, 09:07:54 PM »
I don't have a huge 'stache.  I have about two years of expenses in a 401k.  We just pretend that the money is not there and it isn't discussed.  We've been living the last 6 years on one $40k income and saving about $8k of that in HSA and 401k funds.  Most people wonder how we scrape by on one income and two kids and I'm sure they don't wonder about how much we have saved.  I have a few friends that make over $100k and their houses and stuff don't seem any better than mine except for the better perceived zip code. 

I love talking about personal finance but when I bring it up I try to put it in terms of cooking from scratch, DIY, buying used, how to live on one income and have a SAHP, etc.  I don't get much chance to talk about investments because nearly everyone I know is either close to poverty or still living paycheck to paycheck.  I don't think they would believe us if I said we saved 23% of our income.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #89 on: June 14, 2015, 09:49:00 PM »
I don't go into a ton of detail, but usually when finances are discussed it's pretty easy for me to grouse about our giant student loan debt and how I'm *trying* to pay it off faster than the minimum, and that's a narrative that fits fairly nicely in with what other people tend to talk about so I don't stand out. We are on the recovery phase from some okay (by most people's standards)/kind of lousy (by mustachian standards) financial decisions, so we don't immediately appear mustachian to others. I have mentioned to a few friends that we don't have a car payment, and they know we bought a pretty nice minivan last year, but nobody has said anything to us about having connected the dots and understanding that we paid cash. Our closest friend probably knows the most, but he is also fairly mustachian himself with no debt, a car he paid off within a few months of purchase, income well exceeding expenses, and plans to retire in his 50s. Retirement is still pretty far off for us, not much point in discussing that pipe dream in too much detail now. I did mention MMM to another friend, more in the context of doing a lifestyle overhaul so he could quit his job (which he hates) and stay home with his kid. Don't know if he made anything of it.

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« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2015, 10:14:12 AM »
I generally keep quiet, although I've told my dad about our savings.  Just not the early retirement piece.

My wife told one of her friends, and it was a pretty funny story.  My wife's friend has an incredibly high income (dual-income lawyer couple), and she was blabbing on about her next big vacation to Latin America, and how she was paying to bring the entire extended family.  She's always trying to one-up everyone else with her spending.  This is the same person that hired a band to play at her daughter's first birthday.

Anyways, my wife comes back and says "Oh, we ran the numbers and we could potentially retire in our mid-forties."  That actually shut my wife's friend up for a minute.  And if you knew this woman, you'd know what a big accomplishment that is.

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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2015, 12:21:31 PM »

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The fact that things have been so awkward around just the hinting of positive net worth type comments, makes me think that their heads would explode if they had an inkling of really where we are/what we're working toward.   So, glad I dipped my toes in before sharing the full story.   
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What do you plan to do when you hit FIRE?  Pretend to go to work still?  Honest question, not trying to troll.

Edit:  I posted this before reading the rest of the thread (especially the post from pigeon).
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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2015, 01:24:09 PM »
The worst (and I have no idea how to deal with it) is my ex-BF/BF (boyfriend and best friend) is extremely poor, on disability, does odd jobs and absolutely can not know that I am FI. (what a can of worms that would open). It wasn't hard to keep under wraps while I was working, but now I'm RE'd. He doesn't know. He occasionally stays over at my place and then offers a ride to work. This is pretty crazy, but until I figure out how to deal with this situation I am *faking* going to work on the one (sometimes two) days per week he stays over to protect my secret! (I even procured a duplicate badge before I quit so it would look right). He drops me off, I get a coffee downtown, then jump on a bus for home.
I have to figure out a solution, because that can't last forever. :-/

Anyone else trying to obfuscate their situation from a very-close person in their life? Or is my situation just unique and stoopid? Ugh. :-/

I'm still 4-5 years away from FIRE, but I've been thinking more and more about how to handle my parents once I'm ready to quit my job. My dad's the type who seems to think one's worth is only measurable by the size of your paycheck. Not your net worth, mind you, ONLY the amount of money someone is willing to pay you is a valid gauge by which to determine your right to exist on the planet. Despite having sufficient retirement income, I think he ended up retiring before he really wanted to. For many years he constantly whined about how he wanted to work but no one would hire him.

Then, I have two older brothers who apparently suck at adulthood and my parents have had to help them out on numerous occasions. Despite the fact that I've been out on my own since I was 19 (almost 20 years ago) and have never ONCE asked my parents for a cent, my dad acts like its some sort of inevitability that he's going to end up supporting me and hubby. They don't know the exact details of our finances, but they know we paid our house off several years ago and that we're very frugal. Anytime I make the slightest comment that I might not totally love my job I get the "Well, at least you have a job. Your brother... blah blah."

A month or two ago he heard a news story about a how government agency that is completely unrelated to the agency I work for was going to make some cutbacks, and he called me worrying that I was going to lose my job. Despite my assurances, he seemed unconvinced that I actually knew which agency I worked for and that the news story was in no way related to my job. I laughed and said, "Even if I did, I probably have more money than you guys." I have dozens of stories like this. I increasingly dread phone calls with him because I'm afraid he's going to start asking questions about my job, which I have no interest in discussing with him, or discussing finances because I just can't stand the stupid things he says.

I can't even imagine how he's going to react when I tell him I'm quitting my perfectly good, secure, well-paying job. He will never believe I have enough money (once had a conversation with him where he quoted one of those dumb-ass articles that says you need $3 million to retire :p) I've seriously considered just lying and not telling them when I retire, but hubby and my plans include lots of travel - like living in a camper full time for several years. Not sure how I can hide that :)

In the end I know I don't need his permission or approval, so its certainly not going to stop me. I just know that every single time I talk to him from that point on he'll be asking stupid and annoying questions that imply I have no idea what I'm doing and am on the brink of financial ruin or not "living up to my potential."

It would be cool if people could just be happy for us.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2015, 01:27:36 PM »
I used to be a completely open book about money, then we started making a lot more, and we don't talk about it anymore because we aren't trying to brag and some people no matter how you say it is all they hear because of their own jealousies.

It was a bit weird to get used to though, changing something that we were so open about before.

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« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2015, 02:46:05 PM »
I've talked about early retirement with most of my friends and some of my family.  I'm just starting my career, so I have plenty of time before FIRE, but I've made it known that I plan to continue to pretend that I'm on a college kid's budget (granted, a college kid with well paying internships) and save a large portion of my income.  Most of my friend's reaction range from moderately skeptical to mostly indifferent.

Interestingly, I have found a couple other guys at my company who are mustachians.  We use Slack (inner-company group chat) and somehow Republic Wireless came up, by which we identified each other.  We started a private mmm channel on there to discuss all thing ER.  Pretty nice to have support IRL.  We don't talk specific numbers, but beyond that are pretty open.  Other co-workers are, again, either indifferent or skeptical if it ever comes up.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2015, 03:24:11 PM »
As soon as I found out about this lifestyle and goal I excitedly told my friends that my plans were to become FIRE.  There was the usual "yeah, I'll believe it when I see it" stuff.

However the biggest challenge I faced was in people eyeing every dollar I spent, especially with regard to group activities. I only bring a six pack to a party? Despite the fact that almost everyone else has too (some even less!) *I* am the cheap one.  Don't want to spend $100 to spend the weekend at the lake house? Obviously I care more about money than I do my friends.

Honestly my spending is not much different now than it was before I found MMM. I still chip in for group gifts.  I still happily split bills for group dinners, despite the fact that my meal probably cost less. Doesn't matter, I'm the cheap one.

So no, I no longer bring it up.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2015, 04:07:14 PM »

I'm still 4-5 years away from FIRE, but I've been thinking more and more about how to handle my parents once I'm ready to quit my job. My dad's the type who seems to think one's worth is only measurable by the size of your paycheck. Not your net worth, mind you, ONLY the amount of money someone is willing to pay you is a valid gauge by which to determine your right to exist on the planet. Despite having sufficient retirement income, I think he ended up retiring before he really wanted to. For many years he constantly whined about how he wanted to work but no one would hire him.

Then, I have two older brothers who apparently suck at adulthood and my parents have had to help them out on numerous occasions. Despite the fact that I've been out on my own since I was 19 (almost 20 years ago) and have never ONCE asked my parents for a cent, my dad acts like its some sort of inevitability that he's going to end up supporting me and hubby. They don't know the exact details of our finances, but they know we paid our house off several years ago and that we're very frugal. Anytime I make the slightest comment that I might not totally love my job I get the "Well, at least you have a job. Your brother... blah blah."

A month or two ago he heard a news story about a how government agency that is completely unrelated to the agency I work for was going to make some cutbacks, and he called me worrying that I was going to lose my job. Despite my assurances, he seemed unconvinced that I actually knew which agency I worked for and that the news story was in no way related to my job. I laughed and said, "Even if I did, I probably have more money than you guys." I have dozens of stories like this. I increasingly dread phone calls with him because I'm afraid he's going to start asking questions about my job, which I have no interest in discussing with him, or discussing finances because I just can't stand the stupid things he says.

I can't even imagine how he's going to react when I tell him I'm quitting my perfectly good, secure, well-paying job. He will never believe I have enough money (once had a conversation with him where he quoted one of those dumb-ass articles that says you need $3 million to retire :p) I've seriously considered just lying and not telling them when I retire, but hubby and my plans include lots of travel - like living in a camper full time for several years. Not sure how I can hide that :)

In the end I know I don't need his permission or approval, so its certainly not going to stop me. I just know that every single time I talk to him from that point on he'll be asking stupid and annoying questions that imply I have no idea what I'm doing and am on the brink of financial ruin or not "living up to my potential."

It would be cool if people could just be happy for us.
This is very painful.  The best solution seems to be controlling our own reactions instead of hoping that the parent will change.

I've been ER'd for 13 years.  Yet for the last 15+ years, my father-in-law has been convinced that his only daughter and I are going to end up on the streets.  In the 1990s I used to enjoy talking with him about finances and investments, but after the tech recession he grew increasingly paranoid about "rigged stock markets".  (Today they're 100% CDs and Treasuries.)  Little by little we had less and less to discuss about anything, and we were practically reduced to polite chitchat.  I haven't spoken to him since 2007 when they moved back to the Mainland.

My spouse used to call her parents every few months, but their treatment of her over the last couple years has caused her to force herself to stop doing that.  Instead we get occasional updates on her parents from our daughter, and that seems to work for all three generations.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2015, 04:11:48 PM »
I love to talk money with my family and friends, but I try to not be condescending and I never, ever, under any circumstances tell them how much I have in the bank. Of my three siblings, two have filed for bankruptcy. My parents have filed for bankruptcy. All of them have incomes higher than the national average. If they knew I had $X in the bank, they would invent things for me to spend it on, including themselves.

I had to have "the talk" with my parents awhile ago about how I was not "lending" them money any more unless they got their act together and it was a legitimate need. So I share MMM and other articles on social media, and I talk about good tips on how to save, and I help people with time and sweat when they have issues, but not money.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2015, 04:19:53 PM »
It really is sad that you need to keep it to yourself but unfortunately that is the way it is.

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Re: How much do you tell other people?
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2015, 12:31:32 AM »
Hello Andrea, welcome to MMM.

I remember reading your reddit and was taken aback by the hateful comments. I made a comment in support of you. (I went back to try and find my comment, but there are so many comments, I gave up.)

Here you'll find people not only in agreement with you, but give you congratulations and support. When MMM is interviewed in major news publications, even though his story is super compelling, the comments are mostly haters. I've even found it on other financial forums I respect such as the Bogleheads.

Just to let you know, I found your post on reddit inspiring. TBH, I found it a bit unpolished and that even attracted me more because I could see the honesty.

Also I tried the link you posted to your blog, but I had no luck getting to your page.

Interesting dichotomy--here you're respected, in the mainstream you're ridiculed.

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BTW, there's something else I want to get off my chest:

I remember years ago I saw a friend who had lost a lot of weight. I was immediately congratulatory and asked him how he had lost his weight.

Not to brag, but I'm in excellent health and I'm complemented quite often. I was playing tennis with friends this Sunday and a number of them were mentioning how they needed to lose weight and what they were doing.

Just like in finance, I've learned to keep my mouth shut, but nevertheless, I'm surprised that not one of them would at least ask me a cursory question about it.
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