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How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« on: August 31, 2018, 03:22:54 AM »
Ok, so, we all know that one of the first pieces of advice in any decent finance course is to budget. To track your money and figure out exactly what you're spending. To set fixed amounts for all the categories. Generally speaking, this is good advice.

But what if you can't do that? What other methods are available to you?

For me personally, whenever I try to actually track my spending in real-time, the record becomes inaccurate after about 3 days on which I actually spent money. I'm simply too distractible to keep an accurate record for longer than that. And of course, once it's inaccurate, I decide the whole tracking idea is worthless. (I'm the same with exercise - I'm far more likely to actually do exercise if I DON'T have to remember how many sets I did/how fast I went.)

So what do I do instead, considering that I do, in fact, manage to save money, despite being on a fairly low income?

It's all in the mindset.

What you want is to cultivate a mindset in which you no longer WANT to spend money. For any sizeable purchase (where by sizeable I mean more than a few pounds and not an essential like groceries), I usually would have to spend at least a month talking myself into buying it these days. My DEFAULT answer to somebody saying, "Hey, you should do this thing where you spend money!" is "No, I shouldn't. Who even needs that thing? What does it even do?" If the thing would, in fact, significantly improve my life, then the likelihood is that I will still be thinking about how awesome it would be a couple of months later, instead of having forgotten about it.

I combine this mindset with making a hypothetical budget every few months, where I put in my projected idea of my spending in all the categories and see if I'm roughly on track. This whole budget is an approximation, but it's a useful one. I do more than one, to cover the lowest projected spend (give myself something to aim for), the highest projected spend, including things I find slightly ridiculous (to check I'm still saving even at this point), and what I think will likely be my actual spend. But none of the categories I put here are strict, because truthfully because of my mindset I would like them all to be lower, and, also, if a fixed cost like a bill goes up, I can reduce one or more of the luxury categories to cover it, because all the luxury categories are my likely spending, and my true goal would be 0 for all categories in an ideal world.

I don't know how useful this strategy will be for anyone else, but I just thought I'd highlight that it is possible to save money even without keeping a strict, rigid budget and tracking all the time.

To cultivate said mindset in yourself, I'd advise practising it whenever possible, and also reading/watching as many things as possible that will persuade you that it's good to save money - i.e., plenty of MMM and ERE stuff, whatever other finance resources you can find, whatever films about saving money there are (I don't watch so many films about it, so can't advise here). Basically, rather than watching a bunch of stuff filled with adverts that are going to subtly normalise buying stuff to you, you want to read and watch a bunch of stuff that will have the opposite effect, or hang out with people who are also avoiding spending money.

An alternative method of budgeting without tracking which you could use, but I don't, is that envelope method I've seen talked about, where you put the cash for each category for the month in an envelope, and when it's gone, it's gone. Using your card is banned in this method, I think. This is a less advanced method for when you haven't yet cultivated a good anti-spending mindset, though.

Thoughts? Other ideas for avoiding spending when you can't budget in the way usually suggested?

Hopefully somebody will find this helpful. :)

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 03:43:36 AM »
I also have that mindset and I have a colleague who also has it. Every time you are in a situation to spend money, you are reluctant, because you'd rather not spend it. Just taking time to consider whether the thing is really worth it spending money on, should rule out most of the BS purchases.

I still track my expenses, because I'd like to see who much I spend on groceries, where I sometimes spend too much on stuff that is on sale. Like buying chocolate bars when they are very cheap. I wouldn't have bought them otherwise.

You could also have your salary paid out to a bank account that doesn't have a card connected to it. You need to transfer the spending amount to the other account with a card. When the account it empty, you stop spending.

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2018, 04:42:27 AM »
I don't really track spending either.  A lot of our spending is in cash since this is Italy.  About a year ago I tracked spending for a few months just to see how much we spend on fixed costs such as bills, groceries, sports for the kids etc. That gave me an idea of our baseline. I also more or less track vacation spending since it's mostly on credit cards. 

As we get closer to FIRE I'll try to track things a bit more just to get a more accurate picture of how much we need per year.  But unless you use credit cards for everything it's hard to track spending.

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2018, 05:05:46 AM »
I read a couple of years ago that anything you want to buy online you just add to your cart and don't buy it. I do this on Amazon. When I don't want it anymore then I remove it from my cart. If it's there for a few weeks or so then I normally buy it.  This method probably cut my online spending in half.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2018, 05:45:01 AM »
I mostly follow this thought process. If done correctly, it should have little impact on a FI date, and if any impact, within a year or two of those who budget religiously. (Depending on income, of course).

I would love to budget, I really would. My wife (I love her dearly and she understands and agrees with FI, RE, and most of the general related concepts) comes from a family of chronic non-budgeters. I have yet to meet more than one or two members of her entire extended family on both sides that takes budgeting seriously. A lifetime exposure to this has made it very hard (by her own admittance) to adhere to a budget. We've tried a number of things but none have yet to stick.

This leaves me as the one who needs to go and track everything through Mint, Excel, and our whiteboard (a necessary object - quickly tracking our major variable spending categories, if it's not in sight it's not being considered). With two kids and host of other responsibilities, I get behind easily and end up not being able to form precise budgets.

Please know, I'm not seeking advice on the above - as our kids get older it's going to be much easier to focus more on the small details.

There are three key things that are paramount to being able to execute "ballpark budgeting" correctly:

1) Your hair can't be on fire. If you're in debt, that should be the single most important focus - all other budget categories need to be precisely calculated until the debt is gone.
2) Your savings needs to be automated. Pay yourself first. It seems obvious, but if your savings, investment, and retirement accounts aren't automatically withdrawn from your paychecks before they hit your checking account, it's nearly a guarantee that you will eventually fail to regularly contribute to one or more accounts.
3) You need to practice self discipline and self control. Basically OP's mindset.

It's not efficient, so it's definitely not for everyone. Heck, it probably isn't for the majority of people here. But, it works and is a good way to reconcile differences between two people without torpedoing a marriage. I will say at times I find myself internally stressing out over not tracking every penny, but the tradeoff is that my wife is much happier than when I was hyper budgeting. 

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2018, 07:11:04 AM »
DH and I have only tracked spending a few times in our life together. We have general guidelines for spending rather than a budget. What we always did, when we were in accumulation phase, was track savings. We maxed out our retirement accounts and then put a big chunk of money into after-tax savings every month. Anything left over we felt free to spend as we wished.

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2018, 09:54:02 AM »
I've never been successful with budgeting, and have tracked only intermittently since I got past the phase where I needed to know exactly how much cash was in the checking account on a daily basis. I think it's because I'm a natural optimizer (I'm always revisiting and improving plans) and I like having the freedom to make adjustments as new opportunities come along. I did pick up tracking again a couple of years ago--I'd just bought a place, so I had a lot of new expenses--and what I found was that the vast majority of my expenses were either set or not particularly frivolous (ie, replaced the black cardigan that I wear all the time for work, or bought sewing materials to fix the skirt I tore).

The one place I do budget is gifts, just to give myself a ballpark (my family still exchanges gifts, even among most of the adults).

It's probably not the most ruthlessly efficient method, but it seems to combine savings success and daily happiness most successfully for me.

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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2018, 01:43:09 PM »
What you want is to cultivate a mindset in which you no longer WANT to spend money. For any sizeable purchase (where by sizeable I mean more than a few pounds and not an essential like groceries), I usually would have to spend at least a month talking myself into buying it these days. My DEFAULT answer to somebody saying, "Hey, you should do this thing where you spend money!" is "No, I shouldn't. Who even needs that thing? What does it even do?" If the thing would, in fact, significantly improve my life, then the likelihood is that I will still be thinking about how awesome it would be a couple of months later, instead of having forgotten about it.
Tracking a budget is mostly useful for preventing those little transactions that you don't think about from adding up to something significant. For some people spending a little here and a little there adds up to a significant problem.

Even though I don't have too much of a problem with spending significantly in small amounts; when I was a single student I liked when I tracked a budget because it gave me the luxury to spend money without worrying about how it would impact my finances. As my personal and financial life got more complicated tracking became more of a burden.

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2018, 03:15:15 PM »
I think there’s a relatively easy way to do this, automate as much as you can. I hate budgets too and I only like tracking my net worth. I worked out my expenses and then separated out the non-variable ones (rent, phone, etc) from variable (food, etc).  Then I worked out what was left over. Then I could decide how much to funnel to savings and investments. I set up direct debit for the non variable expenses and then make sure I pay off the other expenses. What’s left over I use for everything else. I set up a savings account for vacations and treat that like a bill. The only reason to deep track is if you feel your spending is out of control and you want to control more to save more. If that’s not a concern, automate and don’t think about it.

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 01:18:36 AM »
Some good thoughts here from everyone. :)

What you want is to cultivate a mindset in which you no longer WANT to spend money. For any sizeable purchase (where by sizeable I mean more than a few pounds and not an essential like groceries), I usually would have to spend at least a month talking myself into buying it these days. My DEFAULT answer to somebody saying, "Hey, you should do this thing where you spend money!" is "No, I shouldn't. Who even needs that thing? What does it even do?" If the thing would, in fact, significantly improve my life, then the likelihood is that I will still be thinking about how awesome it would be a couple of months later, instead of having forgotten about it.
Tracking a budget is mostly useful for preventing those little transactions that you don't think about from adding up to something significant. For some people spending a little here and a little there adds up to a significant problem.

Even though I don't have too much of a problem with spending significantly in small amounts; when I was a single student I liked when I tracked a budget because it gave me the luxury to spend money without worrying about how it would impact my finances. As my personal and financial life got more complicated tracking became more of a burden.

I'm not denying that detailed tracking and budgeting can be useful - the point I'm making is that for some people (such as me), due to the way their thought processes work, detailed tracking is effectively impossible, unless literally all the money is spent on a card and tracked through one of those automated things.

To those saying to pay their savings account first and treat it like a bill: yes, this is definitely a good idea, especially if moving money between your current account (checking account? I am UK-based) and savings account is a long-winded transaction. For me, it's literally a ten minute job to move money between my current account and one of my savings accounts (I have several places I put savings and investments), so I tend to just see all my money as savings, even the stuff in my current account, and just work on the mindset aspect to avoid spending it.

If you tend to spend "a little here, and a little there" on frivolous things and it adds up to more than you wanted to spend on that over time, then you haven't developed enough of an aversion to spending money to stop yourself from doing this. Basically you have to remember that EVERY spend of money is significant, whether you're tracking or not - yes, even that £1 chocolate bar you bought, and even the much-talked about lattes. There is no money point below which you can spend frivolously, and every transaction must be considered as to whether the benefit you will get is greater than the cost of not having that money any more.

If you can't develop the right mindset towards money, that's when you need to use one of the various methods of tricking yourself into being unable to spend your money.

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2018, 07:16:08 AM »
I've never budgeted, but I do track.  We have enough income, and low enough spending, where budgeting isn't a priority in the way it would be if we just barely had enough to cover the bills and had to be careful not to go over.  Tracking is easy for me, receipts go next to my computer.  I tally them on a piece of paper, and once a month tally them up on an excel spreadsheet.

For me, the biggest thing is just not to buy crap I really don;t need.  Even if its on sale, even if its used and therefore dirt cheap.    The quote below is the opposite of what I do:

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Anything left over we felt free to spend as we wished.

(on track to retire next year many years before full retirement age and not having ever made a ton of money like many on this board)

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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2018, 09:26:13 AM »
The DW hates to have a budget and hates to track.

We have settled into a pattern of artificial scarcity.

Basically at the beginning of the year we set 2 goals for what we want to save that year. One is based on our minimum goals and we call our must save goal. The second is our stretch goal. As our income is relatively steady from month to month we divide the yearly goal by 12 (by month for me) or 26 (by paycheck for her) to meet how eat of us manages our accounts.

Based on those numbers we setup automatic transfers, either monthly or per pay period, out of our direct deposit account and into a specific savings/investing account for the must save goal. We are then "free" to spend the remainder. This spending is done with an eye toward having enough money left in the account to to make a voluntary payment at the end of the pay period/month toward making the stretch goal.

I have found that the stretch goal needs to be obtainable on occasion otherwise the drive toward it fades.

In our case it is quite helpful that our direct deposit accounts and our primary CC and with the same entity. This allows us to quickly and easily see a net cash.

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2018, 10:03:27 AM »
Tracking every purchase would just feel like a waste of time to me.  I don't consider my savings to be a bill, and I don't have discretionary spending as a budget item.  My budget, which I rarely refer to, just breaks down where I happen to spend my money on necessary expenses, including those that may vary a lot from one year to another, such as home maintenance.  I start with my take home pay from my job, subtract all of the necessary expenses (budget items), and the final number is what I have left over for discretionary spending and saving, but it goes completely to savings.  I have very little discretionary spending while still working my job, and that spending has been covered by "more than expected" unbudgeted income/bonuses.  It helps a lot when you're naturally frugal, don't travel, and don't "lust" for anything.  This is all automatic for me, and I don't need to refer to my budget for my monthly spending.  The most interesting figure to me over the years was how much I had left over on average each month after the required budget items... always wanting to see that bottom dollar figure increase from year to year, which it has.  And my actual savings has always been even higher due to unbudgeted income and bonuses that were higher than the minimum expected but helped build my stash.

I must be doing something right, because based on all take home pay including bonus money and company match, my savings rate is over 80% this year, which isn't the first time, and it has been 70% or higher for years.

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Re: How I avoid spending money when I hate tracking things
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2018, 01:34:25 PM »
There was this really cool budgeting plan I learned about recently (that I don’t do because I already have my own system) but for a new budgeter it seems helpful

Step1) . You automate as much as possible. So your house, utilities, bills, and savings are always the same each month. No need to budget them- they come first.

Step 2) for the remainder of cash left over (aka discretionary spending) figure out what you are spending the most money on, or what you are most out of control on where your money is being sucked away and you don’t even know where it’s going.  For most people it would be either grocery or entertainment.

Step 3) let’s say your “trouble spot” is grocery. (Not just food- all consumable items you would buy in a grocery store including food, drink, paper products, cleaning, etc. lump it all into grocery). Let’s say for any family, the minimum will be about $300 per month, but if your family is big, add $150  extra per member. So a family of 1 is $300. A family of 2 is $300. A family of 3 is $450. A family of 4 is $600, etc. let’s say you’re a family of 4. So you’re monthly budget would be $600, which is $150 per week for all “grocery” category items.

Step 4) you break down your budget into that one Grovery category, plus an Other category. In the other category goes EVERYTHING else. Clothes, entertainment, activities, anything else that wasnt automated in step 1. So let’s say require an additional $600 /mo or $150 per week for all of that stuff.

Step 6) you set your budget up so you only tackle one week at a time. So each week the family of 4 gets $150 for grocery. $150 for everything else. You can borrow between the two categories during the week, but never go into the other weeks budgets. So let’s say this week you only spent $20 on Other, you can move over the surplus and spend an extra $130 on grocery. And then next week you already have your grocery all set because you bought so much last week-, so you only spent $20 on grocery... well then for this week you can have an extra $130 on Other. You just can’t spend all you have in both categories and then dip into next week- NOT ALLOWED.

Step 7) at the end of the month, any extra money that wasn’t used can be extra savings. If you find yourself having a lot left over at the end of the month, or if you run out before the month is done, move your numbers up or down until you’ve got the right budget balance.

And that’s it! It seems easy to me! It’s Jordan Page’s easy budget method. She has some YouTube videos where she explains it in better detail.