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sol

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home energy audit results
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:21:34 PM »
Our gas company offers free home energy audits.  I signed up.  I learned a few things.

1.  Air-sealing your second story is much more important than air-sealing your ground floor.  When hot air escapes through your upper story it draws in cold air on the ground floor, so if you're not letting any air out then you're not drawing any air in.

2.  Water heater insulation blankets are about to go extinct.  They used to make sense, but all new water heaters have more than adequate insulation and there aren't very many of the older poorly insulated water heaters left anymore that can benefit from them.

3.  Natural gas is so cheap right now that it has effectively halted the trend towards heat pumps in this area.  In the long run it might make sense to have a dual-fuel system like that, but he thinks gas will be the better option for at least the next ten years.

4.  As long as you have double-paned windows, don't ever replace them unless the glass is broken.  He says the payback period on window upgrades is usually longer than your home's life expectancy. Even a 1/2 inch gap (3/4 is now standard) is so much better than single-pane windows that upgrading isn't worth it.

5.  Blown-in attic insulation depth is now recommended to be 18 inches (about R-50) on new homes around here, but if you already have at least 12 inches (about R-36) then you won't notice any improvement by upgrading.  He says it's really the first 6 inches that do most of the work, and the diminishing returns beyond that are pretty severe.  The R scale makes it look linear, but the difference between R-1 and R-5 is huge while the difference between R-30 and R-40 is pretty minimal.

6.  My house has a timer that controls a ventilation system for exchanging air.  Mine was turned off.  He recommends that everyone turn them off unless you have noticeable problems with indoor air quality, because otherwise you're just blowing out your heat and sucking in the cold.

Our house is ~2250 sqft and in January we used a new record high 2.4 therms per day of gas.  In the summer we average about 0.4 therms per day on showers and dishes and such for a family of five, so I'm figuring that's 2 therms per day on heating during the coldest month of the year.  We pay $1.00/therm for gas, or about $2/day in the winter and 40 cents per day in the summers.

MMM, by contrast, only uses 0.2 therms per day on showers and dishes for a his (smaller) family, and he only pays 62 cents per therm for his gas.  But his new radiant heating uses a lot more gas than my furnace (or maybe it's just colder in Colorado than it is here) and so our total gas bills are about the same because he uses so much more heating gas than I do.

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Re: home energy audit results
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 10:55:45 PM »
Thanks Sol. Interesting information. What are the two fuels in the heat pump?

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 11:25:14 PM »
This energy audit guy is an idiot.

If you seal the ground floor then cold air cannot be sucked in. if you seal the upper floor warm air can't escape. what exactly is the difference?

#2 I'm not sure exactly when but right about now the requirements in the usa for water heaters changed to require much better efficiency and insulation. if you have a water heater built before january 1 2015 (approximately) then you got the old school inefficient BUT MUCH MORE RELIABLE water heater. built after jan 1? more efficient but much more expensive to buy and has much more parts that are likely to break

#6 - What did he use to judge indoor air quality? Is your health really worth the small amount of money you'll spend for fresh air? Is he willing to personally guarantee that you will never have lung issues, allergies, sick building syndrome etc. from his recommendation?

apologies for the rant but i do not like idiocy not at all.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2015, 09:05:13 AM »
What are the two fuels in the heat pump?

By "dual fuel" they mean having both a (gas) furnace and an (electric) heat pump.  Our electricity is so cheap here that most people were converting to heat pumps.  Now gas is so cheap too.

This energy audit guy is an idiot.

Did I mention it was free?

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If you seal the ground floor then cold air cannot be sucked in. if you seal the upper floor warm air can't escape. what exactly is the difference?

Dunno.  Also maybe irrelevant for single story homes?  Maybe the thought is that you open your ground floor much more frequently, like every time you go in or out, and having a well sealed second story minimizes the heat loss of doing so.

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#6 - What did he use to judge indoor air quality? Is your health really worth the small amount of money you'll spend for fresh air? Is he willing to personally guarantee that you will never have lung issues, allergies, sick building syndrome etc. from his recommendation?

He didn't measure anything at all.  But most people around here don't have indoor air quality problems, and my family certainly never has. 

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apologies for the rant but i do not like idiocy not at all.

Did I mention it was free?

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2015, 02:45:28 PM »
Apologies for my previous tone. Here is my new and improved reply:

First off, some links to good information:
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/homes/index.html
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/careforyourair.html

Just because you have no symptoms does not mean you don't have any Indoor air quality issues. things like Carbon Monoxide and Radon have no smell or taste but are dangerous.  I missed the part originally where you mentioned it was free (free is good. I like free!). If it caused you to look at your house through a new lens then i guess he did his job.

Sealing just one floor or the other makes no sense. The way to do it is to seal up your house as much as possible then introduce mechanical ventilation, preferably a Heat Recovery Ventilator or Energy Recovery Ventilator (depending on your climate) which provides clean, filtered and pre conditioned air. If your house is already built it might make more economic sense to just run your current fan enough to reach the recommended (http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/odpub/pdf/65903.pdf) 0.3 Air Changes Per Hour.

Thanks again

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Re: home energy audit results
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2015, 04:46:29 PM »
Interesting, I've never heard anything about air changes. During the winter, the only air change in my house is achieved when doors open; I'm curious if I have air quality issues.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2015, 10:48:30 PM »
things like Carbon Monoxide and Radon have no smell or taste but are dangerous.

Sure they are, but we don't have those.  We bought this house this year and all houses sold these days are required by law to have CO alarms on every floor, so I'm confident that's not a problem for us.  As for Radon, that's really only a problem for people who have no vapor barriers installed in their basements over specific types of geology, and we have neither a basement nor any Radon-producing rocks.

I sort of assumed the concerns over interior air quality were more about dust and allergens than deadly gases.  Is that not the case?

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2015, 07:33:54 AM »
It's a complex topic, with pollutants ranging from dust and allergens, to chemicals that are being stored in the home, to the dangerous gases cited before, to very long term off-gassing of appliances and furniture.

Some pollutants can affect you at extremely low doses over a long period of time (endocrine disruptors for example). Even though you may think everything is fine it may not be. Proper mechanical ventilation (or if you are in an older drafty home just regular old ventilation) is cheap insurance, even if you have slightly higher utility bills because of that.