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« on: August 17, 2015, 11:42:13 AM »
Just wanted to share... we got hold of a bread machine around eight months ago and have never looked back. Fresh bread, 3 - 4 loaves a week (usually wholemeal, though we are now branching out to crusty french loaves) and also home-baked rolls, all of which our son (nearly 4) loves to help with. Plus we do our own cookies and cakes for special occasions and again he loves to help out.

I've swapped messages with folks on here about home brewing, and I would say home baking, especially bread, is kind of the same... it doesn't really save you that much money, but it's a lot of fun and it's better for you than store-bought crap. You just have to get used to the fact that weather conditions, an unsteady hand or trying to care for a child while measuring ingredients can lead to some... interesting... results.

Does anyone else have experience? We went for a top-of-the-line Zorjiushi bread maker and we're really pleased with it!

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 11:51:46 AM »
I have come at bread baking from exactly the other way, make a four loaf batch by hand every five days or so.  However you get there, the result is wonderful, isn't it?  I will eventually have to come up with a mechanical way to do the kneading because I can see I will get weaker with age so I am listening hard when people talk about their bread machines.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 12:08:13 PM »
I bake my own bread too, only I use my Kitchenaid to kneed and bake it in my oven. Bread makers are okay but I like being able to do larger batches or try out new breads without having to figure out if the recipe is machine compatible or deciding what setting to use.  I had zero bread making experience so it took probably about 3 months of weekly baking before I really got the hang of it, but the early trials were still edible so I didn't waste anything either.

It can save some money if you're trying to eat organic and/or avoid HFCS, dyes, preservatives, etc. Organic breads or just conventional breads w/out HFCS/preservatives can be hard to find and expensive when available. But compared to a .80 cent loaf of Wonder, yeah you're not saving anything. But the quality is SO much better that you don't mind!

I've also started making rolls and buns (including hot dog and hamburger). Takes a bit more effort as you have to shape each roll/bun, but you can do a large batch and freeze pretty easily.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 12:13:19 PM »
Thanks Money Mouse - yes, I should have said we bake 100% organic, so when you look at it like that, we are definitely saving money - up here in Cash-nada (!), an artisan organic loaf would go for $6-$8 a pop. So yes, we are saving 150% over store bought stuff, good point!

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 02:46:22 PM »
I never really liked bread machines and I like doing this stuff by hand, so that is how I "roll" (heh).  In my case I got tired of paying silly prices for nice, whole grain flour so I bought a mill and sacks of grain.  What a huge difference freshly-ground flour makes!  I think the idea of saving money on this depends on what your alternative is to buy it.  $6 artisan bread or day old discount stuff at the supermarket?

I also combine brewing and baking.  When I do an all grain beer, I use some of the spent grain and some of the final runnings of wort in a batch of bread.  That is the fastest disappearing bread in my house.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 02:52:47 PM »
Ok so this is not as bad ass as bread making but Mr. Potts is swooning over the date scones I just pull out of the oven...

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 02:59:17 PM »
I also am in a bread-baking phase. But my current obsession is sourdough. It is so awesome to make amazing loaves of bread from nothing but flour, water, and salt. It takes a lot of trial and error, and my family calls my sourdough starter my "pet" (because I am always feeding it and worrying about it). But it has been so much fun and of course the results are so yummy.

BTW I also use a Kitchenaid for kneading. Although I often make the no-knead stuff and find it absolutely delicious:
Regular version: http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread
Sourdough: http://www.food.com/recipe/duonytes-no-knead-sourdough-bread-250704

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 03:07:17 PM »
Just made 1kg of great bread at home. It's so easy once you know how it's done. Flour, salt, sugar, yeast and water. That's it. And maybe 5 Minutes of work (if you own a kitchen aid) and 1 hour of "waiting".

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2015, 03:18:12 PM »
I do a lot of baking. I started baking as a kid, sugar cookies.

I don't use a bread machine at all. In fact, I love the no knead recipes for bread so don't even use the stand mixer. I do use the stand mixer for pizza dough.

I took a baking class at a local culinary arts program. Very interesting to move to more commercial scale recipes!

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2015, 03:25:34 PM »
I bake bread about every other day and I never knead or proof or any of that.  I baked a loaf this morning.  It took me 5 minutes of prep and 28 minutes of baking time in the oven.

I found the most amazing recipe for bread on this forum about 18 months ago and have never looked back.  I can turn $5 worth of flour, yeast and salt into about 12 loaves of bread.  On a typical day, about 4 loaves worth of dough is sitting in my fridge, mixed, and ready to bake after 40 minutes of warming on the counter. 

Oh, same recipe makes great pizza crust too.

I give you, the Holy Grail....   (applause)  http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com/2010/02/09/back-to-basics-tips-and-techniques-to-create-a-great-loaf-in-5-minutes-a-day

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2015, 04:49:21 PM »
If I may, I’d like to go on a slight tangent:

We enjoy making our own pizzas.  We used to by premade crusts in the store before switching to using a bread machine recipe.  Despite my best efforts however, I’ve been extremely underwhelmed by my crusts.  It’s better than a frozen pizza but less good than the store crust or restaurant crust.  Mine always tasted like a bland, chewy cracker.

I’m currently experimenting with this recipe I found in another MMM thread.  The first batch is currently resting in the fridge.  https://www.fornobravo.com/pizzaquest/2010/12/23/classic-pizza-dough-neo-neapolitan-style/

I think what I’m really looking for though is something like this to add to the dough:  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/pizza-dough-flavor-4-oz

I intend to experiment with my own “pizza dough flavoring” starting with finely grated Parmesan, garlic powder, and maybe some milk, but I don’t want to add anything that would interfere with the lifecycle of the yeast as it rests and rises.  Are there any particular ingredients I need to avoid to make this happen?  I’m pretty much new to scratch baking and don’t yet know all the do’s and don’ts of handling dough.

Thank you in advance for your help.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2015, 04:56:11 PM »
I have been making most of my own bread for nearly 10 years now. I started with a bread machine and slowly moved away from it.

Now I mostly do sourdoughs and the cost saving is rather impressive. I buy my flour in 50 lbs sacks at Costco and the only other ingredients are salt and water. I just feed my sourdough starter before and after I use it. The best estimate I can come up with is 25 cents a loaf. I usually bake two at a time and they last us the whole week.

I built a food fired cob oven for fun, but it doesn't save me any money. I get some killer breads and pizzas though.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2015, 04:59:25 PM »
  I will eventually have to come up with a mechanical way to do the kneading because I can see I will get weaker with age so I am listening hard when people talk about their bread machines.

No-knead is awesome: http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2015, 06:14:24 PM »
Gave away my last breadmaker unused.
A kitchenaid, a bit of hand kneeding to finish it and the regular oven makes 3 loaves at a time.
Less to cleanup, you don't have the hole in the middle from the paddle and with a little practice you can make french bread.

The real secret is to move to Canada - just for the flour.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2015, 06:18:04 PM »
Mine always tasted like a bland, chewy cracker.
The store ones probably have about 4x as much salt as you would use.
Add a generous amount of olive oil to the dough (if you were worried about calories you wouldn't be eating pizza ;-)
I sometimes add balsamic vinegar to give it more bite.


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Re: Home baking
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2015, 08:36:33 PM »
I grew up with a mother that made all the bread/rolls/buns for our family of 10.   It worked out to 20 loaves a week and it was all mixed and kneaded by hand.  I can remember my parents buying flour by the half ton from the mill and my cousin making fun of us for eating homemade bread.  One of my goals this year is to make a good loaf of bread.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2015, 08:43:42 PM »
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I never really liked bread machines and I like doing this stuff by hand, so that is how I "roll" (heh).  In my case I got tired of paying silly prices for nice, whole grain flour so I bought a mill and sacks of grain.  What a huge difference freshly-ground flour makes!  I think the idea of saving money on this depends on what your alternative is to buy it.  $6 artisan bread or day old discount stuff at the supermarket?

Where does one buy sacks of grain?

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2015, 09:04:36 PM »
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I never really liked bread machines and I like doing this stuff by hand, so that is how I "roll" (heh).  In my case I got tired of paying silly prices for nice, whole grain flour so I bought a mill and sacks of grain.  What a huge difference freshly-ground flour makes!  I think the idea of saving money on this depends on what your alternative is to buy it.  $6 artisan bread or day old discount stuff at the supermarket?

Where does one buy sacks of grain?

I mostly buy from www.honeyville.com  I wait until they are running like a 15% off sale or so.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2015, 09:11:54 PM »
If I may, I’d like to go on a slight tangent:

We enjoy making our own pizzas.  We used to by premade crusts in the store before switching to using a bread machine recipe.  Despite my best efforts however, I’ve been extremely underwhelmed by my crusts.  It’s better than a frozen pizza but less good than the store crust or restaurant crust.  Mine always tasted like a bland, chewy cracker.

I’m currently experimenting with this recipe I found in another MMM thread.  The first batch is currently resting in the fridge.  https://www.fornobravo.com/pizzaquest/2010/12/23/classic-pizza-dough-neo-neapolitan-style/

I think what I’m really looking for though is something like this to add to the dough:  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/pizza-dough-flavor-4-oz

I intend to experiment with my own “pizza dough flavoring” starting with finely grated Parmesan, garlic powder, and maybe some milk, but I don’t want to add anything that would interfere with the lifecycle of the yeast as it rests and rises.  Are there any particular ingredients I need to avoid to make this happen?  I’m pretty much new to scratch baking and don’t yet know all the do’s and don’ts of handling dough.

Thank you in advance for your help.

To expand on your tangent, I have had good luck with my pizza crust.

I get the pizza crust yeast because it has dough softners and I add honey to it when I make it and then I let it rise for 2-3 hrs and then refrigerate overnight for use the next day. The fermentation of the honey by the yeast makes it really taste like pizza crust.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2015, 09:24:58 PM »
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I never really liked bread machines and I like doing this stuff by hand, so that is how I "roll" (heh).  In my case I got tired of paying silly prices for nice, whole grain flour so I bought a mill and sacks of grain.  What a huge difference freshly-ground flour makes!  I think the idea of saving money on this depends on what your alternative is to buy it.  $6 artisan bread or day old discount stuff at the supermarket?

Where does one buy sacks of grain?

I get mine from Azure Standard. Incidentally, it's also the cheapest source of oatmeal I have ever found anywhere-- close to 50cents/lb. I think they only have drops in the western states, though.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2015, 09:29:35 PM »
If I may, I’d like to go on a slight tangent:

We enjoy making our own pizzas.  We used to by premade crusts in the store before switching to using a bread machine recipe.  Despite my best efforts however, I’ve been extremely underwhelmed by my crusts.  It’s better than a frozen pizza but less good than the store crust or restaurant crust.  Mine always tasted like a bland, chewy cracker.

I always use the same recipe I use to make sandwich bread. Makes a soft, chewy crust. You have to brush with oil and cook at a high temp to get a nice crackle on the outside, though.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2015, 11:17:23 PM »
Mine always tasted like a bland, chewy cracker.
The store ones probably have about 4x as much salt as you would use.
Add a generous amount of olive oil to the dough (if you were worried about calories you wouldn't be eating pizza ;-)
I sometimes add balsamic vinegar to give it more bite.

The trick really is the olive oil. I've had great luck with this recipe: http://m.allrecipes.com/recipe/20171/quick-and-easy-pizza-crust/

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2015, 07:22:38 AM »
Homemade is far cheaper than store-bought, assuming you buy yeast in jars or bricks instead of little packets. 

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2015, 07:40:18 AM »
If I may, I’d like to go on a slight tangent:

We enjoy making our own pizzas.  We used to by premade crusts in the store before switching to using a bread machine recipe.  Despite my best efforts however, I’ve been extremely underwhelmed by my crusts.  It’s better than a frozen pizza but less good than the store crust or restaurant crust.  Mine always tasted like a bland, chewy cracker.

I’m currently experimenting with this recipe I found in another MMM thread.  The first batch is currently resting in the fridge.  https://www.fornobravo.com/pizzaquest/2010/12/23/classic-pizza-dough-neo-neapolitan-style/

I think what I’m really looking for though is something like this to add to the dough:  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop/items/pizza-dough-flavor-4-oz

I intend to experiment with my own “pizza dough flavoring” starting with finely grated Parmesan, garlic powder, and maybe some milk, but I don’t want to add anything that would interfere with the lifecycle of the yeast as it rests and rises.  Are there any particular ingredients I need to avoid to make this happen?  I’m pretty much new to scratch baking and don’t yet know all the do’s and don’ts of handling dough.

Thank you in advance for your help.

I make pizza more often than I do bread.  Eventually I expanded into making mozzarella cheese for the pizza first.  Then I use the leftover whey as the liquid in the pizza dough.  I use the whey in other baking as well: in place of milk/buttermilk in biscuits, pancakes, waffles, etc.  We've found that we like the whey versions better.

One thing you want to control for in additives to your dough: salt content.  Salt controls the growth of the yeast; a small amount is good for taste and to keep yeast growth manageable, but too much salt will kill the yeast.  Sugar feeds the yeast, so higher sugar levels can promote quick yeast growth, which you may or may not want.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2015, 02:25:34 PM »
+1 for no-knead sourdough.  It's so incredibly easy and bulletproof.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2015, 01:28:22 AM »

Where does one buy sacks of grain?

I get mine at Winco. They have wheat berries, pre-ground flour, old fashioned oats, rice, beans, seeds and a few other things in large sacks. (25-50lb)

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2015, 07:30:23 AM »
Anybody have a recipe or source for a sourdough starter?

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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2015, 07:54:01 AM »
I make 6-8 loaves of bread a week and usually 4 pizzas a week too. Baking is a huge money saver. My cost for whole wheat bread is about $1/loaf, comparable to $4 loaves at the store. That's a savings of $18/week or about $1,000/year.

I get rave compliments about our homemade pizza, even from restaurant snobs in our social circles. We enjoy this deliciousness for $2-4/pie (14") depending on toppings. Harder to calculate savings since we wouldn't eat as much of it if we had to buy it. Pizza has a lot of calories, but it's really not that bad for you, and it's one of the few meals I make that all 5 of us love.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2015, 09:35:58 AM »
Anybody have a recipe or source for a sourdough starter?

They have one on King Arthur website - along with various FAQs and recipes. I have not tried it yet. Toyed with sourdough eons ago, now I have the time, but haven't started. If you whip up one of the no knead recipes, then transfer to the fridge after the initial ferment for 5-7 days, it I'd supposed to get some sourdough flavor. Again, I haven't tried this yet.

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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2015, 10:52:44 AM »
Just thought I would throw this out since it hasn't been mentioned yet-- if you are truly into traditional, from-scratch methods of baking bread, definitely check out The Fresh Loaf.

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/

It's such a wealth of amazing information on almost any kind of traditional bread.  Recipes, tips, tricks, videos... it's all there.

This is my go-to baguette.  It's very technically difficult, and I probably tried it at least five times, after having already worked up to it, before I started to get some truly pristine baguettes.  But oh, man, when you get it right, it's so right.

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/19830/36-hours-sourdough-baguette-everything-i-know-one-bread

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2015, 02:09:22 PM »
When I was in high school, part of earning my allowance was making a 4 loaf batch of bread every Sunday.  We had a kitchenetics machine that did all the kneading, and then it was as simple as plopping it in the pan, letting it rise, and baking.

I'm trying to move back towards that, and actually making all the munchy items I crave.  (Crackers.  I love crackers.)

At the moment, I've got a loaf of rosemary olive oil bread rising.

I'm on the lookout for an awesome deal on a wheat grinder for my kitchenaid so I can make all my own flours.

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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2015, 03:57:50 PM »
I've heard really bad things about the Kitchenaid attachment for grinding (and basically all of the accessory attachments, for that matter).

The cheapest flour mills worth your money for grains other than corn are the Wondermill or NutriMill and both run $200-$250.

Grinding fresh flour is less useful for yeast loaf breads. Where I've found the biggest impact in flavor  have been pizza, quick breads, and breakfast things like pancakes/waffles. It's also useful if the flavor of whole wheat puts you off. Freshly ground whole grains don't have a strong flavor. The "strong" flavor we associate with them is rancid oil from sitting on a shelf for too long.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2015, 05:23:44 PM »
Does anyone have a good gluten free recipe? The 2 I tried were terrible.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2015, 05:48:46 PM »
Does anyone have a good gluten free recipe? The 2 I tried were terrible.

I follow a regular yeast-risen sandwich bread recipe, add a teaspoon of xanthan gum for every cup of (GF) flour (unless you're using a mix which already has xanthan in it, but mixes are too expensive for me), add a couple of eggs and extra water until it's the consistency of drop biscuit dough. Bake at 350°F until it temps 190-200°F, which usually takes about 45 minutes.

A GF recipe ought to be more like a no-knead since it doesn't rely on gluten to bind it together. If the recipes you've tried previously have you making it drier like normal yeast-risen sandwich bread, then it's going to be like eating the Sahara desert. Too wet and it falls in the middle and gets gummy at the bottom of the slice. (a la Rudi's. ick. But it'll work for french toast.) There is no need for lengthy rising and kneading cycles as most bread recipes will have, since that is intended to develop gluten, which isn't happening here. Just slop it all together, dump it in a well greased pan, let it rise once (to the top of the pan, not over, or it may spill while baking) and stick it in the (pre-heated) oven.

Flour choices are important, too. Bean and nut flours are more absorbent so will need more water. I like to use brown rice, sorghum, millet. Other options are quinoa, amaranth, teff, potato, tapioca, etc., but they are more expensive or too starchy for my preferences. Substituting up to a third of the flour with ground flaxseed is pretty awesome if you don't want to use eggs or want more binding oomph.
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Re: Home baking
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2015, 07:24:09 PM »
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Re: Home baking
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2015, 04:38:06 PM »
I give you, the Holy Grail....   (applause)  http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com/2010/02/09/back-to-basics-tips-and-techniques-to-create-a-great-loaf-in-5-minutes-a-day
I just bought that book and haven't really delved into its mysteries yet, but I'm so excited! 

I like to bake and am pretty good at it, but I cannot bake as cheaply as I can buy. 

I see no point in baking plain white bread, as fresh loaves of French bread are always available at our local grocery store for $1 each -- it's an everyday loss leader.  I prefer fancier breads, preferably with "crunchies" of some sort mixed it.  I have never had really outstanding results from a bread machine, but I do use my KitchenAide mixer for kneading. 

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2015, 04:52:36 PM »
I just received an Oster 2lb loaf breadmaker this past Saturday as a gift and we have a small loaf baking in there right now! I'm very happy to begin making some healthier loafs than our usual Portuguese bread, potato bread, and bagels.

I also received a nice pizza stone and paddle which should pair well with the bread machine!

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2015, 05:34:06 PM »
Hint - Mix and raise the dough in the machine but bake in the oven.


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Re: Home baking
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2015, 05:41:35 PM »
For everyone who is making pizza dough we also make pizza rolls that work very well for kid school lunches.  Basically a rectangular square pizza rolled up and cut into rolls like you'd do cinnamon buns (which we also make from the same recipe).  More portable than slices.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2015, 06:26:50 PM »
Does anyone have a good gluten free recipe? The 2 I tried were terrible.

GF breads are tough and usually aren't breads in a proper sense.  This is one of my favorites, but it's still pretty dense and heavy compared to what the word "bread" conjures up for most people:  http://elanaspantry.com/paleo-bread/

To be honest I do better with the GF baked goodies (Elana's recipe for a cranberry biscotti is great) and pizza crusts and have more or less given up on bread.  A little sad, but true.  ;)

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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2015, 07:57:10 AM »
If you're willing to part with a loaf shape, Carol Deppe's book The Resilient Gardener has a GF "Universal Skillet Bread" that makes excellent snack-sized sandwich slices. I'm not GF personally but I like a 100% corn cornbread instead of the mostly wheat based recipes normally out there.

In addition to corn, the recipe works for buckwheat and teff as well.

Considering how traditional crepes and breads like injera are made, flatbreads would be a good choice for GF as well. Again, buckwheat and teff would be useful.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2015, 08:48:49 AM »
Some have asked for a pizza crust recipe. I can't claim this is the "best ever" but it's pretty good...I like it anyway! I eyeball all amounts except the yeast and the flour but this should be pretty close. Makes enough dough for two 14" crusts, simply halve the amounts if you just want one pizza.

Warm, almost hot water (about a cup)
2-3 tsp honey (I find it dissolves easier in the water, but you can use table sugar if you don't have honey on hand)
1 Tbsp olive oil
2 tsp yeast (a packet is 2 1/4 tsp so you can use a packet too)
1 tsp salt
4 cups flour (AP or bread flour, doesn't really matter)

Put about 1/2 cup of the very warm/hot water into the bowl of your stand mixer. You want it a bit hotter than you need as it will cool a bit when it hits the cold bowl. Add the honey and mix until dissolved. Add the yeast and wait a few minutes until it starts to puff up. Add the salt and olive oil, then dump in all the flour. Using the dough hook, mix on lowest setting until it starts to come together a bit, increase speed one notch and then SLOWLY add more warm water, a little at a time, until the dough starts to really come together. Add less than you think you need. You most likely will NOT use the full cup of water indicated in the list of ingredients above. When it comes to water, less is more. If you over do it on the water you can add more flour, but you risk getting into a "too much water add more flour - oops too much flour now so add more water...oops over did it again" situation and it throws the whole thing off. You'll likely have to make a few batches before you get a feel for how much water is "enough".  The dough should pull clean away from the sides of the bowl and be pretty firm/stiff w/out being rock hard, if that makes any sense. Still on the same speed, let it kneed for 8 minutes for a softer more bread-like crust, up to 15 minutes for a more chewy crust. 

Once the kneading is done, take the dough off the hook and coat the bottom/sides of the bowl in a bit of olive oil. Shape the blob of dough into a smooth ball, then put the dough back in the bowl and coat the dough all over with a very thin coat of olive oil as well. I use a small piece of plastic wrap to cover the dough (just slap it right on top of the dough) to keep it from drying out while it's rising. Cover the bowl with a clean kitchen towel and set in a warm place to rise for an hour.

Tip: If you have the time, you can cut the yeast amount in half and let it rise for several hours, this should allow the dough to pick up a bit more flavor.

Once the dough has doubled in size, it's pizza making time! Punch the dough down and divide it in half, stretch and press the dough into your (greased) pizza pans (or if you have a pizza stone, just shape it on the pizza peel) and top as usual. To help keep the dough from getting soggy from the sauce, I add a very thin layer of olive oil with a pastry brush before adding the sauce.

Bake a 450 for 15-20 minutes.

« Last Edit: August 25, 2015, 09:01:16 AM by Money Mouse »

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2015, 08:54:59 AM »
Hint - Mix and raise the dough in the machine but bake in the oven.
Sounds like an easier way to bake multiple loafs, Ill give it a shot!

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2015, 09:28:47 AM »
Cheap bread makers don't get nearly hot enough (at least 420F) for good bread and you have a hole in the bottom where you dig the paddle out.
If you have a kitchenaid to do the mixing I wouldn't even bother with a breadmaker - I gave my last one away.

One tip, put a roasting pan under the bread in the hot oven and when you put the bread in the oven add a couple of cups of water to make steam. Steam = great crust.


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Re: Home baking
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2015, 10:07:30 AM »
Thats beginning to sound more like BBQ smoking to me, maybe I'll add a touch beer or bourbon to a water pan and see what comes out :)

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2015, 10:32:03 AM »
Thanks for the GF ideas!

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2015, 05:25:37 PM »
I love making bread. It saves us money, and the bread I make is better than even the fancy schmancy Whole Foods loaves. Although Acme does an amazing green onion slab that I've tried (and failed) to replicate - recipe here, but not for the faint of heart: http://www.starchefs.com/fall_cookbooks/html/herb_salbs_m_glezer.shtml My everyday bread is a personalized no-knead ratio of 1000g flour:15g yeast:15g salt:700g liquid. The flour varies, depending on what I'm using up or buying cheaply - lately I've been subbing in 500g of atta, an Indian fine wholemeal flour, which was at my local Costco in a big bag.

Instead of adding water to my breads I have been using the whey from the Greek yogurt I make in my crockpot (1 gallon of whole milk + 2 tsp plain yogurt) - 1 gallon of milk makes a LOT of yogurt, and I like it VERY think, like Lebanese labne, so that's a lot of whey. I fed some of the last lot to the dogs! Making yogurt is like magic. Also cheaper than buying a tub of labne for $3 every week!

I also REALLY like making pita. It's much more delicious than the $3/bag supermarket kind. I use this recipe, but tweaked, often adding atta and increasing the yeast a bit to hasten the rise: http://smittenkitchen.com/blog/2009/03/pita-bread/

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2015, 03:14:17 AM »
I started also this year in January to make my own bread (handmade).  Its been a great experience.   I am now starting to branch out making Sourdough.  Hope to try making different breads soon.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2015, 06:53:05 AM »
Just wanted to share... we got hold of a bread machine around eight months ago and have never looked back. Fresh bread, 3 - 4 loaves a week (usually wholemeal, though we are now branching out to crusty french loaves) and also home-baked rolls, all of which our son (nearly 4) loves to help with. Plus we do our own cookies and cakes for special occasions and again he loves to help out.

I've swapped messages with folks on here about home brewing, and I would say home baking, especially bread, is kind of the same... it doesn't really save you that much money, but it's a lot of fun and it's better for you than store-bought crap. You just have to get used to the fact that weather conditions, an unsteady hand or trying to care for a child while measuring ingredients can lead to some... interesting... results.

Does anyone else have experience? We went for a top-of-the-line Zorjiushi bread maker and we're really pleased with it!

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We have a Panasonic, which was 2nd to only the Zorjuishi on Amazon.  Used to use it a lot.

Don't use it so much because I can't eat that many carbs anymore, and fresh bread is a huge temptation.  So I make it for get togethers where it will be gone by the end.

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Re: Home baking
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2015, 07:09:42 AM »
Anybody have a recipe or source for a sourdough starter?

I started a sourdough starter from scratch a few weeks ago, it's going really well. I've baked two very delicious loaves from it so far, so I'll call that a success! I used the recipe for the starter and the bread from this website - http://thestonesoup.com/blog/2010/10/rustic-sourdough-the-secret-to-making-amazing-bread-at-home-5-ingredients-simple-baking/

It's a no-knead recipe, the long 12 hour proof works the gluten for you. Such delicious bread, definitely cheaper than buying artisan loaves from the shops and tastes so much better than mass-produced breads.