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Joshin

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End of life planning lessons
« on: February 08, 2014, 01:13:17 PM »
My dad passed away five weeks ago. He didn't have a large estate, and it all went to my mother of course. He had left me in charge as the unofficial executor to make sure everything got done. I must say, he did things just right. If you are DIYing your own estate and not bringing planners or lawyers, here's the lessons I've learned for planning for your own death or when helping older parents:

1) Prepay your funeral expenses. Dad prepaid for his entire cremation a few years ago. At the hospital, we just had to give them the card he carried in his wallet. The hospital made the call. We did nothing else. This was good, because none of us was fit to talk to anyone, and a funeral home could have easily milked my mom's bank account dry.

In addition to the cremation services, they handled everything else. They reported the death to social security, ordered the death certificates and even hand delivered the ashes to my mother's door (dad didn't want a memorial service).

2) Choose wisely when purchasing life insurance. My father had four policies through three different companies. Mutual of Omaha is the way to go. One five minute phone call and no paperwork, mom had the checks within a week. They called the cremation company to verify death while we were on e the phone, then sent out the checks. The other two are being assholes, to put it bluntly. It took two weeks of phone calls just to get the paperwork mailed out, and who knows when they'll issue the checks. They were unprofessional on the phone, as well. One was Gerber, I can't remember the other one off the top of my head.

3) If you have a spouse that will receive survivor benefits on your retirement or pension, they may not receive these for 90 days. My mom's retirement checks stopped, even though we were led to believe they would just switch to her name. We were told this was in case things went to probate (which they aren't) and to minimize fraud. Mom's okay, she has savings and Mutual of Omaha was lightening fast with the insurance benefits, but other than social security she has no income until June. Spouses need to keep enough in a joint savings account to cover at least three months of expenses if they depend upon a fixed income.

4)Speaking of social security. If the person dies on the 31st of a month, the check they receive the following month is not yours to keep. Fortunately, dad held on until the 5th, so my mom got to keep his December check (which is paid out in January). Many people aren't aware of this then end up in the hole a month or two later when social security takes the money back.

5) Keep everything together. The first file in my dad's filing cabinet was labelled "Legacy Plan," and had everything we needed for various policies, along with a list of passwords to various websites we would need, and a list of friends he wanted us to notify that we may not have thought of. Put one together, and let family know where they can find it.

6) When cancelling the deceased health insurance, you will need to fill out a form saying you are authorized to deal with any ongoing insurance claims. You get the option of how long you are authorized. Choose a year, the longest option. It can take months for those final medical bills to make it through the claims process.

My dad gave us a great final gift because we had time to grieve without worry or being mired in paperwork. Other than the life insurance issues, I've spent no more than two hours or so on the phone reporting and handling everything. We didn't have to do anything the first few days, which was even better because those early days when the pain is raw you are the perfect target for scammers. I know people don't like to think of this stuff. Hell, I'm young, only in my 30s, and now I'm putting together my own plan. You never know what tomorrow holds.


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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2014, 01:30:03 PM »
I'm so sorry for your loss. Your father was obviously a wise man who loved his family deeply and took pains to care for you even after he was gone. When you're able, be sure to celebrate him as well as mourn.

Thanks for sharing; that's likely to help a number of us.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2014, 03:37:45 PM »
Joshin,
Sorry for your loss... Having lost all 4 of my wife and my parents I agree totally with everything you mentioned.  I would view the "legacy" your Father passed onto you places his planning clearly in the top couple of percentiles of preparedness.

I once attended a seminar with a financial planner whose mother had been a long time accounting teacher.  He assumed that since his own mother had such an influence on even his own career choice, she would have her ducks in a row.   That was not the case.  He had to quickly come up with "final expenses" of around $40,000 to cover her services, final medical bills and some credit cards he had no idea she was carrying balances on.  He also said the average bill for "final expenses" is around $25,000 between all the things that need to be handled.

We are in the process of refreshing all of our wills and directives hopefully for the final time as our kids are grown and financially responcible for themselves.  We are involving the kids in this process as much as they want to be, but your fathers guidelines above provide an excellent case study in what to do right- for you, your mom and I'll bet the man himself.

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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2014, 05:52:54 PM »
My condolences to you and your family.

How kind of you to help others at this time. Very thoughtful.

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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2014, 06:42:45 PM »
Godspeed to him. Your father sounds like an amazing man. Thank you for sharing with us! I am bookmarking this so I can start work on my own "Legacy File."

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 04:37:57 AM »
I rencently went through this when my mom passed. My dad past years ago and While i live in the frozen Artic of the midwest my brother lives in Northern Alaska and wanted nothing to do with coming oh but sure wanted his share of the tiny estate. I will say that my Mom had everything in order and being the executor i learned alot for what i have to do for my kids/wife but things for starting this thread as i gotta get going on this. One thing that was a struggle for me was my mom hid everything and hoarded everything but not like on TV. Put in a 1200 square foot house with a rather large garage my dad built for a shop my mom had it stuffed. She would make money by going to rummage sales,,,getting in early and reselling.  Long and short of it most of it was junk and I was so busy with my old stuff Goodwill made out very well and besides that i filled 2 40 yard dumpsters. It took me weeks to go through every pocket , drawer etc, just to find the legal paperwork i needed to get things rolling so i had to put out all the monies up front and try to remember that yes she wanted to be creamated , she wanted certain things to go to certain people and so on. It ended up taking me a year to get house prepared to sell with new siding, the basement walls had to be shored up, electrical had to be all redone from my Dads modifications and so on. My mom lived in a modest neighborhood with all older people that were really good to her so i didnt want to leave the house a mess but to do this at the end it left really nothing of an estate which is fine, my brother pissy which is fine but way to much work.  So if nothing else older people can be a bit odd in how they do things and The OP Dad seemed to be very organized and if you know your the executor make sure to have a sitdown chat with that person on there desires and organization of important documents as well as for yourself.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 05:04:49 AM »
I am so sorry for your loss, Joshin. And thank you so much for taking the time to write all this down for us. These are the sort of things we should think about and do, yet many of us don't. I've been thinking about making a will, but haven't yet, for example.

along with a list of passwords to various websites we would need

How did he ensure this was highly secure? This is something I've thought about, but at the same time I'd think about how awful it would be if someone else somehow got access to that information.

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 08:45:40 AM »
I agree that it's kind to pre-plan your "final expenses" and it's wise to pre-pay too.  We had a death in our family this past year, and it's difficult enough without adding in the need to make last-minute choices.  I'll add a couple things I've learned in the past year:

- You cannot "pay ahead" for death certificates, they're fairly pricey, and you're going to need multiples for various reasons.  This could be $200-400.  When my uncle died recently, he left my aunt with only a couple hundred dollars to her name -- very sad situation -- and she literally had to borrow money so she could have these absolutely necessary certificates. 

- If you're being buried (though I think fewer and fewer people are), you can buy a coffin from Costco or a couple other places online.  I was interested in some really beautiful coffins made by monks.  You can save significant money by doing this, and funeral homes are require to accept third party coffins. 

- Note that this isn't the same thing as the vault, which is a separate cost.  Few public cemeteries will allow you to bury a coffin unless it is secured inside a vault (no vault = possible contamination to the land or water and "dips" may develop above the grave as heavy lawn equipment runs over it -- you may agree or disagree with these concepts, but the public cemeteries are pretty set on them, so a vault is likely a requirement). 

- When you're talking about two spouses, the first spouse's death is "the easy one" because --typically -- the remaining spouse owns the house, keeps the majority of the household property, keeps the financial accounts.  Yes, insurance can be a problem, etc., but it's the second spouse's death that is the most work and the most trouble.  At this point, even with a will, all the debts must be settled, the household items that no one really wants (like the blender) must be disposed of.  It's not an easy job. 

- In that legacy plan that the OP mentioned, don't neglect to make a list of all account locations and numbers and passwords.  Having it all in one location can make the survivors' lives easier.  My husband and I do a "where do we stand?" discussion twice a year -- once around New Years and once around our anniversary, which falls in the summer.  While we're reviewing our account balances, discussing any big upcoming expenditures, etc., we glance over that list and ask one another if anything has changed. 

- Finally, this one may be controversial, but my husband's family believes in it strongly:  Since there is a real possibility that pension checks or Social Security checks may be "missed" or delayed following a death, it'd wise to have some emergency cash money stashed away in a fireproof safe or a safety deposit box.  I think this used to be a bigger deal in that -- years ago -- when one spouse died, checking accounts used to be "frozen" for a time, and back then people didn't have credit cards at their disposal.  Often small, unexpected expenses come up in conjunction with a funeral:  Your  teenged daughter has outgrown her only dark dress.  Your family is in from out of town, and you just can't cook -- you want to order in BBQ.  Expenses add up. 

OP, I'm sorry for your loss.  It's never easy.

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 12:05:15 PM »
Fortunately, my parents have no debt except for the house payment so that wasn't something we had to deal with.

Yes, you can not prepay for death certificates, although his cremation package did provide one. They took payment over the phone for the remainder, got them and sent them to us. We did not have to deal with the ordering and picking them up.

My mother's bank accounts were not frozen. Her credit union did advise she leave his name on any joint accounts for six months in case anything comes in in both their names, so she doesn't have to get any payments reissued.

It will be more difficult when mom goes. We have plans to sit down this spring, when things aren't so raw, and put in all the preparation steps for her time.

A note on SCAMMERS. They are everywhere! Fortunately, mom is young (early 60s) and not easily made a victim, but the calls and letters began within a few days. You really can't trust anyone. Her insurance guy, whom she has her car and house insured through, showed up with flowers then began trying to sell her various life insurance policies. Everyone sees a widow/widower as an easy target, even businesses you thought you could trust. If you have an older or more gullible parent, give out your number as the point of contact for everyone so you can screen what come through.

Password security can be a problem, but many people have password books. His was kept in his locked filing cabinet. If someone broke into the home, they could probably find everything they need to access accounts even without a password book. There are other options for securing passwords online, just make sure someone knows how to get access no matter how you choose to do it.

Finally, grandkids can do wonders to heal a heartbroken parent. Seeing my strong mother reduced so much by loss was almost harder than losing dad those first few days. It was like I lost my mom, too. I'm sharing this because it was such as beautiful moment at the time, but it doesn't contain any advice. My youngest, almost 9, decided it was his job to take care of grandma. He insisted on staying with her overnight a few times, brought her out of her shell, cried with her, and gave her words of wisdom as only kids can. One day she refused to move from her chair or eat. He sat down in front of her, grabbed her hand, and said, "Grandpa is made of atoms. Atoms change but don't go away, so grandpa's changed but won't ever go away. It's like the stars we're made of. They're not here, but we're them now. So grandma, you're going to eat some atoms and convert them to energy so we can play a boardgame."


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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 08:27:20 PM »
I am so sorry for your loss, Joshin. And thank you so much for taking the time to write all this down for us. These are the sort of things we should think about and do, yet many of us don't. I've been thinking about making a will, but haven't yet, for example.

along with a list of passwords to various websites we would need

How did he ensure this was highly secure? This is something I've thought about, but at the same time I'd think about how awful it would be if someone else somehow got access to that information.

If I were doing such a thing, I'd just put it on paper in the little fire safe where we keep our birth certificates and passports and car titles so forth. If I didn't want anyone else seeing it until I was deceased I'd seal it in an envelope.

That seems plenty secure to me. If you can't trust the people you live with, you live with the wrong people.

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2014, 01:11:31 AM »
If I were doing such a thing, I'd just put it on paper in the little fire safe where we keep our birth certificates and passports and car titles so forth. If I didn't want anyone else seeing it until I was deceased I'd seal it in an envelope.

That seems plenty secure to me. If you can't trust the people you live with, you live with the wrong people.

I was thinking along the lines of thieves/burglars.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 01:17:19 AM »
Password security can be a problem, but many people have password books. His was kept in his locked filing cabinet. If someone broke into the home, they could probably find everything they need to access accounts even without a password book. There are other options for securing passwords online, just make sure someone knows how to get access no matter how you choose to do it.

Thanks for the input!

Finally, grandkids can do wonders to heal a heartbroken parent. Seeing my strong mother reduced so much by loss was almost harder than losing dad those first few days. It was like I lost my mom, too. I'm sharing this because it was such as beautiful moment at the time, but it doesn't contain any advice. My youngest, almost 9, decided it was his job to take care of grandma. He insisted on staying with her overnight a few times, brought her out of her shell, cried with her, and gave her words of wisdom as only kids can. One day she refused to move from her chair or eat. He sat down in front of her, grabbed her hand, and said, "Grandpa is made of atoms. Atoms change but don't go away, so grandpa's changed but won't ever go away. It's like the stars we're made of. They're not here, but we're them now. So grandma, you're going to eat some atoms and convert them to energy so we can play a boardgame."

How amazing. You have a very wise and loving kid.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2014, 08:19:32 AM »
Yes, the funeral home took care of the death certificates for us too, so I suppose that's a standard service . . . but we had to pay for them.  They're relatively expensive, and you (by you, I mean the executor of the estate) needs multiples.  This is one good reason to have some cash money laid aside for your kids to find. 

I think the frozen checking accounts thing may be very old-fashioned.  I know I've heard my husband's grandmother speak of it, saying that she and all her sister-in-laws had a pact that if one of them were widowed, the others would remind the bereaved woman that she needed to put on her best dress, plaster a smile on her face, and go withdraw her money from the bank.  However, I think this may harken back to the days when men worked and "the little woman" didn't question his mastery over the accounts.  I'm thinking, too, that today we probably have something along the lines of "survivorship" papers that are signed when one opens a checking account.  I know I haven't opened an account in more than 20 years, so I'm not exactly up on the rules. 

You should definitely have your password list carefully protected!  I don't worry a bit that my kids would get into it, and theft is unlikely -- but not impossible! 

Finally, I agree that you have a great kid to care so much for his grandmother.  It's a good reminder that we should all pay attention to emotional needs as well as financial issues. 

 

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