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Helping the Homeless
« on: May 08, 2019, 11:01:32 AM »
I would like to help out the homeless people I see, but like MMM and probably most people here I don't want to just throw money at a problem if that's not the solution.  Does anybody have first hand experience dealing with people who are homeless?  I've worked in subsidized housing for several years and they all received housing credits and food stamps, so I want to understand where the friction is for the people who aren't utilizing these programs.  Is it mental health and they just don't have the capacity to fill out paperwork in order to apply?  Is it the time lag between something unfortunate happening and then being granted subsidy?  Can someone stay in temporary homeless shelters until they are approved for permanent housing and food?  Thanks for any insight.

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2019, 11:17:17 AM »
I certainly can't speak to the issue as a whole, but I've lived in small towns/suburbs basically my whole life, so there were certainly fewer homeless people than in the city I work in now. On two occasions, the town/community has provided a house to a local homeless person. In both cases, the homeless people chose not to live there.

Other more traditional ways of helping like providing job training and shelters have not reduced the problem, so I really have no idea how to reduce the problem.
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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2019, 12:10:37 PM »
In many cases they choose a life of no responsibility.  This is why job training / housing don't 'help' all of them, they like their choice and don't see it as a problem.

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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2019, 12:34:24 PM »
Read this article this morning -

https://rockstarfinance.com/11-important-lessons-ive-learned-from-working-with-the-homeless/

Yes, I saw that -thank you.  It's a nice article but I don't think it really gets the heart of how to help.  If as other people have said, its a matter of choice then that's fine with me but I'm also not going to give them things.  If they need help, I'd like to know tangible ways to best help.

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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2019, 12:44:22 PM »
Shelters can be very dangerous places, lots of homeless people avoid them because they have been assaulted or robbed there.
An easy way to help individuals is to hand out small gift cards to coffee shops like tim hortons, they can get a cheap meal, use of a bathroom, and shelter from the elements without getting kicked out.
Volunteering for an organization that helps homeless people is another way to give back. Research different places to find out which ones mesh well with your skills and values, and be prepared to commit to at least a year of regular volunteering.
Or donate money or items that they need.
On a higher policy level, advocate for housing assistance, safe drug injection sites, accessible health care, and other policies that prevent harm and assist homeless people to get back on their feet.

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2019, 12:49:44 PM »
I've seen people put together little kits with some shelf-stable food items, a toothbrush, etc. and keep them in their cars for when they see a homeless person.

I think addiction is another part of the problem.

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2019, 12:52:38 PM »
On a higher policy level, advocate for housing assistance, safe drug injection sites, accessible health care, and other policies that prevent harm and assist homeless people to get back on their feet.

Agree with this. Affordable/sustainable housing is a must. We need to stop creating long-term homeless people. Once you've spent so much time living as homeless, it becomes really difficult to reintegrate into a structured society. I've witnessed that first hand and it is so heartbreaking.

Sometimes, it's also about local advocacy to make life more humane and livable in your city. Like sheltering bus stops. It won't get a homeless person off the street, but it gives them a little bit more dignity while waiting for public transit in inclement weather.


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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2019, 01:03:09 PM »
On a higher policy level, advocate for housing assistance, safe drug injection sites, accessible health care, and other policies that prevent harm and assist homeless people to get back on their feet.

Agree with this. Affordable/sustainable housing is a must. We need to stop creating long-term homeless people. Once you've spent so much time living as homeless, it becomes really difficult to reintegrate into a structured society. I've witnessed that first hand and it is so heartbreaking.

Sometimes, it's also about local advocacy to make life more humane and livable in your city. Like sheltering bus stops. It won't get a homeless person off the street, but it gives them a little bit more dignity while waiting for public transit in inclement weather.

These are all nice suggestions, but we already offer free housing and food and healthcare.  So what I'm trying to get at is what is needed in order to help people access it?  Is it a matter of lag time?  Lack of competence?  Mental health/Addiction?  Or just choice?  If its a matter of filling out paperwork, I'm great at that and could help.  If its truly lag time, then I'd like to either start or support a homeless shelter.  If its mental health/addiction then helping them get into treatment would be the best long term solution.  Handing out stuff or making bus stops more comfortable seems like its just putting a bandaid on the problem.

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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2019, 01:09:09 PM »
Someone said many homeless people avoid shelters because of assault/robbery risk. Maybe you could do something to help make shelters in your area safer?

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2019, 01:09:52 PM »
These are all nice suggestions, but we already offer free housing and food and healthcare.  So what I'm trying to get at is what is needed in order to help people access it?  Is it a matter of lag time?  Lack of competence?  Mental health/Addiction?  Or just choice?  If its a matter of filling out paperwork, I'm great at that and could help.  If its truly lag time, then I'd like to either start or support a homeless shelter.  If its mental health/addiction then helping them get into treatment would be the best long term solution.  Handing out stuff or making bus stops more comfortable seems like its just putting a bandaid on the problem.

If you live in a large metro, there's probably a group in your area who is considering all of these issues. I would suggest reaching out to them.

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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2019, 01:12:39 PM »
From the article posted the author learned lessons from "The vast majority of guys in the program are just coming out of prison".  The underlying cause for them being there was a terrible past that put them in prison.

One of the ways that I believe I am doing my part is by just being an ear for inmates to listen to.  Offering advice on getting a job and living a barebones life even after they start making some money.  Being a positive influence as a friend and someone to listen to.
In my opinion, it is safer to become a prison penpal with someone that has goals in life and aspirations instead of meeting them for the first time in person.  A person whom wants to better themselves and needs positive goal oriented friends.

I think we already fail since we bar inmates from getting jobs, have institutionalized them, and put a stigma on them.  At this point living on the streets is 100x better for them trying to become independent than trying to seek help.

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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2019, 01:18:41 PM »
From the article posted the author learned lessons from "The vast majority of guys in the program are just coming out of prison".  The underlying cause for them being there was a terrible past that put them in prison.

One of the ways that I believe I am doing my part is by just being an ear for inmates to listen to.  Offering advice on getting a job and living a barebones life even after they start making some money.  Being a positive influence as a friend and someone to listen to.
In my opinion, it is safer to become a prison penpal with someone that has goals in life and aspirations instead of meeting them for the first time in person.  A person whom wants to better themselves and needs positive goal oriented friends.

I think we already fail since we bar inmates from getting jobs, have institutionalized them, and put a stigma on them.  At this point living on the streets is 100x better for them trying to become independent than trying to seek help.

Good idea!

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2019, 01:23:16 PM »
In general, you can’t go to a shelter if you are actively using (since that is one thing that can make shelters unsafe.) So a lot of people who are on the streets are suffering from some combination of mental health and addiction issues, which also make it extremely difficult for them to navigate the system and get help.

So, on a broad scale, you can advocate for your area to move to a Shelter First model. You can donate to groups that provide health care and assistance to that population. You can donate to groups that provide food and needed goods to that population (socks, warm clothes, laundry facilities.) You can volunteer at a soup kitchen or a shelter.

It is never wrong to be kind and offer whatever you can to an individual, but I think that putting your efforts into a bigger picture group is more effective.

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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2019, 01:34:58 PM »
In general, you can’t go to a shelter if you are actively using (since that is one thing that can make shelters unsafe.) So a lot of people who are on the streets are suffering from some combination of mental health and addiction issues, which also make it extremely difficult for them to navigate the system and get help.

So, on a broad scale, you can advocate for your area to move to a Shelter First model. You can donate to groups that provide health care and assistance to that population. You can donate to groups that provide food and needed goods to that population (socks, warm clothes, laundry facilities.) You can volunteer at a soup kitchen or a shelter.

It is never wrong to be kind and offer whatever you can to an individual, but I think that putting your efforts into a bigger picture group is more effective.

Thank you.  I have a background in psychology/counseling so that seems like something I can help with.

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2019, 02:21:52 PM »
Some of the largest challenges, honestly, simply comes down to government ID and the ability to have a mailing address for those actually wanting to be able to get back off the streets, especially if they've had theirs lost or stolen. Without these two items, they can't even get assistance like financial or medical assistance, food banks and stamps, or housing assistance. However, it's worth noting that it's not recommend to volunteer home addresses for these things for people, as there's a trust and accountability issue at play given the circumstances. It's better to get a religious house, NPO or business to provide a mailing address for them instead. This is actually one of the largest hurdles to getting help that most who need or want it face.

There's also a very largely unaddressed issue with some homeless couples, where most shelters won't take couples for safety reasons, and one of the two has significant issues that need to be addressed with the other one keeping the one out of trouble or acting as a stabilizing influence. It's hard to get off the streets when there are situations where the one-size fits most model fails. And of course, there are safety issues with some shelters as well as others have pointed out.

Most importantly, treat them with respect and expect the best out of them instead of the worst, and consider taking them at their word (trust, but verify - because some will do song and dance sob stories and perform, though most of them do so because others who have helped them in the past set that perverse expectation for help in the first place). It's amazing how much hope someone can get from just being treated with respect and trusted instead of being treated like the dregs of society. And on that note, foster working relationships with law enforcement encouraging them to do likewise. Trust and integrity, one's word, is the only thing of true value that any one of us has... and losing everything else punctuates that reality. You can do a lot to help restore a person by treating that idea with weight and purpose with your interactions with them. It can be easy to get jaded with this sort of work, but the most effective ones are those resilient enough to not be.

It's also worth pointing out the difference between panhandlers and the genuinely homeless/squatter/car dweller types who are trying. This isn't to say that you shouldn't help the panhandlers, too, but... there's the visible homeless and the "invisible". The invisible are the ones who need the most help.

Another useful resource is a book written by one of our own from the community, though she hasn't been active or signed into her account for a few months now, so I won't bat-signal her, but I've talked privately with her in the past about some strategies in approaches for care and filling the gaps, and some of the challenges with feeding, like dental issues and chewing, general muscle strength and canned goods, cooking, etc. Anyway, book: Rising: Strategies for the Broke, the At-Risk, and Those Who Love Them by Joon Madriga. Here's her website, too.

Lastly, at least here in the United States and Canada, there's a very important phone number and website-related resources to remember that many of them know nothing about: 2-1-1 from most phones, or 211.org Share these resources with them, print them out, keep it handy. There's also the INSP (International Network of Street Papers) that help a lot of homeless with re-establishing jobs that offers an alternative to panhandling.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2019, 07:15:41 PM »
Does anybody have first hand experience dealing with people who are homeless?

I've never had any contact with homeless people.


 I've worked in subsidized housing for several years and they all received housing credits and food stamps, so I want to understand where the friction is for the people who aren't utilizing these programs.

I do know that some of them choose not to go to county-provided shelters for shelter, or avail themselves of other county-provided services at shelters because the shelters have a rule  that does not allow  homeless people to bring their pets (usually  dogs) into the shelter.


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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2019, 08:10:54 PM »
My husband regularly volunteers at a shelter just over the city limits. It might be a little tamer than the city shelters but he reports it is pretty safe- he volunteers as a monitor. The problem is you can’t use drugs or alcohol and people don’t want to give it up. Being out on the street isn’t safe either. He also volunteers regularly at a half way house for people recently released from prison - teaching basic computer skills so people can look for a job, apply for benefits etc. I work in downtown Chicago and I would have no money if I gave to everyone. We have organizations that will help people get IDs and transitional housing , etc - that is where my money goes. We desperately need better mental health care. I also will not give $$$ to anyone dragging a dog or cat around.
 

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2019, 09:49:04 PM »
I also will not give $$$ to anyone dragging a dog or cat around.

Why not for homeless with pets?  Just curious about the reasoning.

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2019, 10:12:50 PM »
Because if you are homeless you need to be taking care of yourself first. Dragging around a dog or cat limits your housing options , you are spending $$ on food for the animal.

And the animal looks miserable as well.
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Re: Helping the Homeless
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2019, 12:54:36 AM »
I have had moderate contact with homeless, knew a persistent helper of homeless for several years, and so on.

Re pets, I think one of the biggest difficulties many have is finding some level of companionship, love, connection, respect - a reason to live. In the midst of chaos, struggle, and uncertainty, it is not a crazy choice for a human being to decide to care for a being that has feelings and loves them back. Mabe it doesn't look mechanistically rational, but everybody needs an emotional anchor. Humans were maintaining relationships long before humans built the piles of sticks we call "homes." Relationships are needed for mental health. Trusting relationships are hard to find on the street.

A guy in my city spent 20 years helping homeless. He gradually concluded that connection and respect were the biggest need that we are not meeting. He built a whole set of houses to house them specifically in order to create a community that they could belong to, and which would be inviting to other people so that the circle of connection would include more visitors.

https://mlf.org/community-first/

To some extent, I think it's individual. For younger homeless (teens, 20somethings) guidance, plans and knowledge are often lacking. I talked with a young lady who wanted to know how to buy an apartment. It wasn't until later that I realized she was asking me "What is the process to rent an apartment?" Lots of kids are thrown out of families for being gay (still), or are foster kids who age out... in my state, on their 18th birthday they often end up on the street with their clothes in a trash bag, no savings and no other possessions. Maybe where you live it's better, but here these kids need both practical resources and middle class knowledge. What they get is averted glances.

I second the notion to connect with groups that are helping the homeless actively.

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2019, 05:28:09 PM »
I would suggest befriending some local homeless people and ask them these questions.

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2019, 07:35:37 PM »
Many years ago I used to work with the homeless and those in low income housing. One thing I learned was that there was a myriad of reasons. The second was that addiction and chronic mental illness were huge issues. Poverty, yes, but what came first?

My big takeaway was that there were a lot of people on the streets because society/ government/ business didn’t want to seriously deal with addiction or mental illness.

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