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« on: April 04, 2016, 12:09:13 PM »
My parents financial priorities differ quite a bit from mine and I've decided it's not worth the stress to make any more recommendations. However with their health, i'd really like to encourage my mom to be more physically active and eat healthier. For years she's been "about to start exercising more and eating better" but instead has normally never started and certainly never committed to a healthy lifestyle. My mom lives 13 hours from me, so I can't invite her along for neighborhood walks or hikes/bike rides etc.

Anyone have any ideas or success stories? I get frustrated repeatedly trying to compel her to do what is in her own best interest. I want her to be around for my (future) kids sake. I know she would want that too. But she doesn't seem to understand or prioritize how high cholesterol and low daily activity correlates to this at all. I know it's not effective to threaten shame or convince her to do it, it's a change she'll have to decide to make for herself. Please help!

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2016, 01:10:26 PM »
Following because I'm experiencing similar with my mom. She knows she needs to lose weight, but has bad arthritis (which would be helped by weight loss), a knee injury, and a sugar addiction. She'll try something for a month or two, then give up. Just the other night she was telling me how discouraged she was because she hadn't had a cookie in weeks, but she hadn't lost any weight at all because she's sedentary. I just don't know how to motivate her beyond her sense of failure (and I have the same problem--if I feel like a failure, I fail--so I totally understand). She complains about becoming a fat old lady, and it breaks my heart.

I bought her a mini stationary bike (the kind that can be used with arms or legs and are frequently used for physical therapy)--she lied to me about using it for a year, which really hurt, but I've never mentioned it because I knew she felt super guilty (she says she's using it for real now, but who knows?). I've encouraged her to take the water aerobics class at the local public pool (and offered to pay), but I don't think she's ever gone. I've offered to pay for Weight Watchers or something (I had success with Weight Watchers, so I framed it as, "Hey this thing is working, do you wanna give it a shot?").

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 01:53:20 PM »
I've gone through this with my parents and at first I was in the do this and that mode.  Which wasn't working because then they wouldn't be open about their health or finances.  I backed off and let them bring up the subject and started listening more.  I think it's hard for parents to get used to taking advice from parents and the whole role reversal thing.  I prioritized having a healthy relationship above all else and eventually they started asking for advice.  From there I would ask about what their doctors, accountants, would say and help explain it to them.  Once they got comfortable with our new roles, they are now more open to advice.

The thing to remember is the whole circle of control or influence.  You have to establish what is within your control first and then try to expand on that.  If they don't want to take care of their health then there really not much you can do about it.

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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2016, 01:57:25 PM »
She's an adult and she gets to make these kinds of decisions about her own life.  It's not your problem so let it go.

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2016, 02:01:22 PM »
My parents financial priorities differ quite a bit from mine and I've decided it's not worth the stress to make any more recommendations. However with their health, i'd really like to encourage my mom to be more physically active and eat healthier. For years she's been "about to start exercising more and eating better" but instead has normally never started and certainly never committed to a healthy lifestyle. My mom lives 13 hours from me, so I can't invite her along for neighborhood walks or hikes/bike rides etc.

Anyone have any ideas or success stories? I get frustrated repeatedly trying to compel her to do what is in her own best interest. I want her to be around for my (future) kids sake. I know she would want that too. But she doesn't seem to understand or prioritize how high cholesterol and low daily activity correlates to this at all. I know it's not effective to threaten shame or convince her to do it, it's a change she'll have to decide to make for herself. Please help!

Advice on cholesterol has changed. It's not the bad guy everyone thinks it is. 
If your mom has specific health issues then concentrate on helping her with those rather than an ill-informed wide ranging "you don't know what's good for you" type of advice. 
Take 1 issue and pro-actively help her.  If she doesn't have a specific health issue then leave it alone and prioritise your relationship with her.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2016, 02:42:28 PM »
My parents financial priorities differ quite a bit from mine and I've decided it's not worth the stress to make any more recommendations. However with their health, i'd really like to encourage my mom to be more physically active and eat healthier. For years she's been "about to start exercising more and eating better" but instead has normally never started and certainly never committed to a healthy lifestyle. My mom lives 13 hours from me, so I can't invite her along for neighborhood walks or hikes/bike rides etc.

Anyone have any ideas or success stories? I get frustrated repeatedly trying to compel her to do what is in her own best interest. I want her to be around for my (future) kids sake. I know she would want that too. But she doesn't seem to understand or prioritize how high cholesterol and low daily activity correlates to this at all. I know it's not effective to threaten shame or convince her to do it, it's a change she'll have to decide to make for herself. Please help!

Friends of mine have had success purchasing Fitbits or similar devices for themselves and their parents, and using the social aspect to encourage exercise. Bonus points for failing to get in your daily step count so that Mom "beats" you now and then.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2016, 02:44:34 PM »
Let it go.

We've been round and round with this with my MIL. Pestering her about making changes she's not interested in only damages our relationship with her.

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2016, 03:39:46 PM »
There isn't a lot you can do, and what you can try may cause hurt feelings and strain your relationship. It's tough, but true. My MIL talks a lot about making changes to improve her weight, but in the end it's just talk. She feels like she should, but chooses not to take the real steps. We've tried being supportive and encouraging things like walking, water aerobics, diet changes, but learned it is best just to respond with "that's great!" When she says she's trying something, and not follow up on it. She's had people asking about her health for most of her life now, and seems both embarrassed and defiant about her weight (she's well over average). She's a good person. We try to look past it and enjoy the time we spend together without trying to "help". When I get tempted, I imagine how I would feel if someone brought up that they were concerned with my weight (I'm average sized, but I think the emotional response isn't really about how true or logical it is). I wouldn't appreciate that kind of help.

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2016, 03:41:26 PM »
My parents financial priorities differ quite a bit from mine and I've decided it's not worth the stress to make any more recommendations. However with their health, i'd really like to encourage my mom to be more physically active and eat healthier. For years she's been "about to start exercising more and eating better" but instead has normally never started and certainly never committed to a healthy lifestyle. My mom lives 13 hours from me, so I can't invite her along for neighborhood walks or hikes/bike rides etc.

Anyone have any ideas or success stories? I get frustrated repeatedly trying to compel her to do what is in her own best interest. I want her to be around for my (future) kids sake. I know she would want that too. But she doesn't seem to understand or prioritize how high cholesterol and low daily activity correlates to this at all. I know it's not effective to threaten shame or convince her to do it, it's a change she'll have to decide to make for herself. Please help!

Friends of mine have had success purchasing Fitbits or similar devices for themselves and their parents, and using the social aspect to encourage exercise. Bonus points for failing to get in your daily step count so that Mom "beats" you now and then.
yep, we got one for my mom and we all can see each other's dashboards.  Anyone who doesn't make at least 5,000 steps a day gets a phone call.  Even on bad days, my mom will get off the couch and continue watching TV while marching in place.  But more often she goes outside for a walk.   
It has also helped on days when we worry about her.  Last week she was 1.5 hours late for Easter (totally unlike her) and wasn't picking up her phone.  We opened up her dashboard and could confirm that she was alive (moving).  We then checked the "Find my iPhone" app and we knew she was on her way over.  whew. 

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2016, 06:41:40 PM »
I've encouraged her to take the water aerobics class at the local public pool (and offered to pay), but I don't think she's ever gone. I've offered to pay for Weight Watchers or something (I had success with Weight Watchers, so I framed it as, "Hey this thing is working, do you wanna give it a shot?").

Yeah, this won't work for OP's situation because he doesn't live close to his mom (and I don't know if he needs to lose any weight either), but the thing that really clicked to help my mom was that I was on Weight Watchers and asked her to join with me.  We both had a lot of fun and success doing that together!  Also, a few of the older ladies, especially ones who'd had joint surgery or arthritis, really praised water aerobics as a fun way to get in some activity.

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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2016, 07:09:09 PM »
Thank you to everyone who posted here! Have given them a read over and brainstormed with DW. Here's some ideas that we thought of:

-Walk and talks. Asking my mom if she wants to walk with us, and each walk our respective neighborhoods while catching up on the phone for 20 or 30 min (maybe twice a week). This is about the time we'd spend on the phone anyways, might as well try to make it productive. We also think we'll fib and say we have done it a couple times with DW's parents. That might provide my mom a little further encouragement since she'll want some more of our time too!
-trying to encourage her to volunteer at the local animal shelter, or even sign up to walk dogs with a service like Rover or something once she retires in the next 12-18 months. Unfortunately when my mom and Stepdad had a dog a few years ago, he told me she would never want to come along on the mile or so walks he would do almost daily.
-I like the fitbit, but it might end up being another wasted fitness purchase like many memberships and devices that have already happened. I like that we could "see" each other's progress online, might still try this one at some point. I've definitely been told the story that "yeah i've been walking a lot lately" and then while on speakerphone she admits to DW that she hasn't been and not to tell me.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2016, 07:31:57 PM »
I have heard every excuse in the book from my Mom about exercising and losing weight.  I've seen her eat a whole box of weight watchers cookies while watching a movie.  Life is so hard when you have "medical issues", as she would say. 

a few years ago, Dad talked her into a water aerobics class.  She went to prove him wrong.  Since then, she is the smallest that I have ever seen her and doc is cutting back her diabetes meds.

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2016, 05:28:42 PM »
For some reason after I semi retired I stopped walking as much and started eating more and you can guess what happened-it was not pretty. Then 1  1/2 years ago I read an article written by a doctor in the REader's Digest that was titled "Sit yourself into an early grave."   That scared the crap out of me and I bought a Fitbit and counted my calories, etc. It took me 10 months to lose 40lbs and now I just maintain. I took water aerobics for awhile but got sick of it.  The Fitbit is very motivating. If I don;t have my 10,000/steps I will march in place while I watch TV.  I will be 62 in summer and feel great. I like the idea about taking a walk with the phone with your Mom while you talk.  She may also find the fitbit motivating like I did.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2016, 08:51:45 PM »
- Social pressure is often helpful.  Is there anyone else (a friend or a community group?) that is close to her that she could go out with? 
- Otherwise, you can get her a dog...dog owners are generally more healthy because they feel bad if they don't go out and walk their dogs at least a couple times a week.

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2016, 09:16:40 PM »
Op, I can relate so much to your concerns regarding parents health.  I've preached it to my mom for the last 25 years. She did try some swim classes but didn't stay with it very long. Now she's been in the hospital since Christmas and it's looking like she'll be bed ridden the rest of her life at 75 years old. Too young in my mind. My 83 year old father in law walks 3 to 5 miles every day and does yoga too.

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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2016, 07:09:13 AM »
For some reason after I semi retired I stopped walking as much and started eating more and you can guess what happened-it was not pretty. Then 1  1/2 years ago I read an article written by a doctor in the REader's Digest that was titled "Sit yourself into an early grave."   That scared the crap out of me and I bought a Fitbit and counted my calories, etc. It took me 10 months to lose 40lbs and now I just maintain. I took water aerobics for awhile but got sick of it.  The Fitbit is very motivating. If I don;t have my 10,000/steps I will march in place while I watch TV.  I will be 62 in summer and feel great. I like the idea about taking a walk with the phone with your Mom while you talk.  She may also find the fitbit motivating like I did.
+1 on the Fitbit. I don't use one, but they seem to be very motivating and give people a competitive, measurable set of numbers.

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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2016, 07:40:14 AM »
It's a tough one since weightloss is one of those things that seems to happen when it clicks and doesn't happen otherwise. And it clicks at different times for different people. DH has been super concerned about me for the past 10 years as my weight has slowly crept up. He would nag, take food OFF my plate, ask really nicely, and in general, drove me batty. At the end of the day, he could not do anything.

When I was finally ready last year, I'm not sure what made me commit. I was just ready to do something about it. I did tie it to a goal but I knew it wasn't really that much to do with the goal. I was just ready. I've been doing GREAT since January. I had a hiccup last week but i'm back on track now and as committed as ever. I've been counting calories with MyFitnessPal. It makes complete sense to me and it has been overall, relatively easy for me to lose the weight without feeling deprived.

I have no helpful advice - just be there for your Mom. My own Mom is always on some fad diet or other (apple cider vinegar, chia seeds, various detoxes and enemas, etc) and she always swears it is working. I know she is convinced every last one of her fad diets have worked through the years. And yet, she continues yo-yoing through the same weight. I rarely discuss it with her though since I know she will not want to take advice from me.

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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2016, 08:35:01 AM »
I have no helpful advice - just be there for your Mom. My own Mom is always on some fad diet or other (apple cider vinegar, chia seeds, various detoxes and enemas, etc) and she always swears it is working. I know she is convinced every last one of her fad diets have worked through the years. And yet, she continues yo-yoing through the same weight. I rarely discuss it with her though since I know she will not want to take advice from me.

Any thoughts on how somebody can be more supportive when they're halfway across the country? I'm in IL, Mom is in NM, and I feel pretty guilty for moving--but I know she'd never want me to move back, because I love it here. I call her several times a week and provide suggestions when I think of them, and provide encouragement when she does try something. I've offered to pay if she'd like to try out a gym or class or something.

FitBit idea wouldn't work. I'm a carless commuter and get at least 14,000 steps per day--she'd NEVER get anywhere near that and would just feel even more discouraged.

And I guess that's the challenge for me. She KNOWS she needs to lose weight and get more active, but she gets discouraged when it doesn't work. I'm the EXACT same way, so I totally get it. Perfection is the enemy of improvement. I just don't know how to help her past feeling like a failure. It's heartbreaking.

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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2016, 08:52:34 AM »
Might help if you didn't focus on the 'losing weight' part of the equation.  Just encourage changes to diet and activity--small ones--that can give her incremental improvements without completely upending her life, and avoids her thinking that you're criticizing how she looks or lives her life.  HAES (Health At Every Size) is a good place to start with this.

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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2016, 08:55:14 AM »
I would say don't waste your time.  You will offend and no good will come of it. 

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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2016, 11:51:32 AM »
I have had similar issues with my aging unfit parents. Living a distance you can only briefly discuss exercise but not get hung up on it or shame them. Both my parents know that they should walk more, get out more, and lose weight. I'm not there on a daily basis to motivate or to say not to eat that pint of ice cream.

You really have to just mention it time to time. It's a drag being a nag.

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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2016, 11:52:57 AM »
You really have to just mention it time to time. It's a drag being a nag.
Now I know how my mom felt all through my teenage years... (sorry Mom!)

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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2016, 12:05:34 PM »
Give her a copy of the article i mentioned. It may scare her into action like it me.

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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2016, 12:07:39 PM »
She's an adult and she gets to make these kinds of decisions about her own life.  It's not your problem so let it go.

This is where we finally got to with my mom. She's in her early 70s and has smoked since she was a teenager. Her dad died of emphysema shortly after he retired, and we have one family member with major lung problems, AND she's a nurse. So you'd think she'd at least consider quitting. But no. We just have to let it go and ignore the coughing. We know she's killing herself. She knows she's killing herself. But it's no our battle to fight.

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2016, 07:58:39 PM »
There is no way to do this.

If you figure out how to get another person to change their habits and behaviors, you would make a fortune. Research suggests you can't.

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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2016, 08:39:30 PM »
She's an adult and she gets to make these kinds of decisions about her own life.  It's not your problem so let it go.

This is where we finally got to with my mom. She's in her early 70s and has smoked since she was a teenager. Her dad died of emphysema shortly after he retired, and we have one family member with major lung problems, AND she's a nurse. So you'd think she'd at least consider quitting. But no. We just have to let it go and ignore the coughing. We know she's killing herself. She knows she's killing herself. But it's no our battle to fight.

My mom finally decided to quit smoking the day she found out she had stage 4 lung cancer & emphysema. Sadly, too little too late.

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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2016, 09:50:26 AM »
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My mom finally decided to quit smoking the day she found out she had stage 4 lung cancer & emphysema. Sadly, too little too late.

Mine, too.  All our attempts to get her to quit over the years did was strain our relationship.  Adults get to make their own bad decisions. 

And really, if my kid was telling me what to eat, etc., my reaction would be for them to STFU.  Everyone knows that smoking, eating, drinking, etc., to excess isn't good for your health.  It's not like it's a secret.
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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2016, 10:05:01 AM »
I'd second the idea that you should focus on something other than her actual weight.  Maybe you can focus on the number of steps taken in a day, or her resting pulse, or body fat if you get her one of those scales.  Being overweight is correlated with bad health outcomes, but not necessarily causative, and it's a very loaded subject for women.  I imagine that if your mom weighed what she did but was running half marathons, you'd be okay with her weight, right?  I don't think her weight is what you need to focus on, even though I imagine it will drop as she starts walking.

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2016, 07:02:28 PM »
How about building her self-esteem instead of  knocking it?  Seriously, would any of you behave like this to one of your young children?  So why would you do this to your mother?  She's probably had enough of your know it all behaviour when you were 18. Tell her how much you love her, how great she looks, how kind and gentle she is, how clever she is, how artistic she is. 

I am seriously astonished by some of your replies.  Not only are they arrogant but in some cases your knowledge of what is now considered healthy is just plain wrong. 

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2016, 07:38:31 AM »
Why is everyone saying that we're being insulting or having an arrogant/disrespectful/mean/offensive/insulting attitude toward our parents? The OP never even mentioned weight, and I only mentioned weight in the context of my mom is ALREADY trying to lose weight, and I want to help her. I was asking for how to help my mom get beyond discouragement when she wants to give up (I have NEVER told her she needs to lose weight, and the only time I ever brought it up was when I was talking about MY weight).  We were both looking for ideas for increased activity and ways to be supportive from a distance. We both focused on activity--everyone else was bringing weight into it.

My mom has super bad arthritis, and I was hoping for suggestions for activity--not everyone telling me how horrible a person I am for caring about my mother's health. The OP was also asking for suggestions for activity and healthier eating--and no "healthier" does not necessarily have anything to do with weight. You can be skinny and eat terribly or overweight and eat healthily. Eating healthily should be a priority regardless of weight.

It's weird that everyone's assuming we're all up in our moms' faces telling them how fat and horrible and ugly they are--is that because that's how you normally treat a person who you think is overweight?

Even more disturbing is all of the responses saying, "She's an adult; leave her alone; it's not your place; I'd tell you to STFU; don't waste your time." Most people are all too happy to tell others how much they need to lose weight--I know because I've been on the receiving end of it, and I'm a size-freaking-6. If it was your child, best friend, or sibling running themselves into an early grave, you wouldn't hesitate--why is a parent so different?

And the whole "she's an adult, you don't get a say, it's not your problem" argument is a little weak when adults are all up in each other's business all the time, offering unwarranted advice about weight, money, kids, pets, relationships... you name it. My adult choice to not have children is not anyone else's problem, but other adults sure love to tell me how selfish and terrible I am for not giving my mother grandkids. Between that and wanting to help my mom be healthy, I must be the worst daughter ever

Sorry, no. I'm not going to stop "wasting my time." My mom needs help following through on an adult decision SHE made, and I'm going to support her the best I can from a distance. And if it gets bad enough, I'll move closer.

That said, thank you to those who have made suggestions so far. I haven't seen any that work for my situation (mostly due to the arthritis issue), but I do appreciate the effort.

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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2016, 07:59:33 AM »
I most certainly wouldn't offer unsolicited advice about weight, money, relationships, etc. to any of my relatives or friends.  Not my monkey.  Nor would I appreciated it from friends or relatives, and yeah, they would get a STFU from me, couched slightly more gently, but no less emphatically. 

I don't have and wouldn't have relationships with anybody where were are all up each other's business in that way.

Advice on MMM is generally sought out, which is different altogether. 

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2016, 12:43:43 PM »
Why is everyone saying that we're being insulting or having an arrogant/disrespectful/mean/offensive/insulting attitude toward our parents? The OP never even mentioned weight, and I only mentioned weight in the context of my mom is ALREADY trying to lose weight, and I want to help her. I was asking for how to help my mom get beyond discouragement when she wants to give up (I have NEVER told her she needs to lose weight, and the only time I ever brought it up was when I was talking about MY weight).  We were both looking for ideas for increased activity and ways to be supportive from a distance. We both focused on activity--everyone else was bringing weight into it.

My mom has super bad arthritis, and I was hoping for suggestions for activity--not everyone telling me how horrible a person I am for caring about my mother's health. The OP was also asking for suggestions for activity and healthier eating--and no "healthier" does not necessarily have anything to do with weight. You can be skinny and eat terribly or overweight and eat healthily. Eating healthily should be a priority regardless of weight.

It's weird that everyone's assuming we're all up in our moms' faces telling them how fat and horrible and ugly they are--is that because that's how you normally treat a person who you think is overweight?

Even more disturbing is all of the responses saying, "She's an adult; leave her alone; it's not your place; I'd tell you to STFU; don't waste your time." Most people are all too happy to tell others how much they need to lose weight--I know because I've been on the receiving end of it, and I'm a size-freaking-6. If it was your child, best friend, or sibling running themselves into an early grave, you wouldn't hesitate--why is a parent so different?

And the whole "she's an adult, you don't get a say, it's not your problem" argument is a little weak when adults are all up in each other's business all the time, offering unwarranted advice about weight, money, kids, pets, relationships... you name it. My adult choice to not have children is not anyone else's problem, but other adults sure love to tell me how selfish and terrible I am for not giving my mother grandkids. Between that and wanting to help my mom be healthy, I must be the worst daughter ever

Sorry, no. I'm not going to stop "wasting my time." My mom needs help following through on an adult decision SHE made, and I'm going to support her the best I can from a distance. And if it gets bad enough, I'll move closer.

That said, thank you to those who have made suggestions so far. I haven't seen any that work for my situation (mostly due to the arthritis issue), but I do appreciate the effort.

Even though people offer you unsolicited advice all the time, do you ever take that advice? When you someone tells you that it's time for you to have kids, do you go out and get knocked up? No, of course not. Why would anyone's mother decide to make a difficult life change based simply on the advice of their child?

The OP didn't ask, "How can I give my mom advice on how to change her habits?" He asked, "How can I get my mom to change?" Those of us who replied that he should stay out of it simply recognize the difference between these two questions. As you know, there are a million ways to give someone unsolicited advice. However, there is no way to get someone else to change. The only time that happens is when the person decides on their own that he/she wants to change.

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Re: helping mom with health
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2016, 01:19:56 PM »
I agree that you can't make someone change and it is counterproductive to try.  At the same time, I think healthy communities include communication about health on a regular basis.  In terms of financial health, I'm not scared to tell my family about a coupon code or tax law.  I'm not even afraid to ask them point blank what their retirement plan is, but then I worked in the field and I already know what kind of pension and SS they're going to get.

Similarly, I think eating and exercising can be things you do together and talk about.  I've tried to get my brother into running, unsuccessfully but he did power walk a half marathon with me. My parents would never think to make salad and I often offer to add one to the family meal. I'm living with a friend and we can either split pizza and junk food or a crate of mangos or Clementine's.  It's harder to do that from far away outside fruit of the month or paying for gym, but you can talk about the juicy persimmon you picked up or trade recipes.  Invite people to go for an after dinner walk, even if they say no 90% the time.

I also go ahead and brag sometimes.  I biked 80 miles, I trained for a half.  One time we were low on milk and I did the 2 mile walk on a busy road.  Small hassle because they're no sidewalks but nice day, and my mom acted like I scaled mount Everest. 

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Re: helping mom with health
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2016, 05:50:55 PM »
It's so frustrating to see adults you love making bad choices...but you can't force them to change.  I think you are very unlikely to be successful in this pursuit.

But, hell, you love your mom so you'll try anyway, right?

 - What about asking her to do a challenge with you?  I did this thing called the Whole Life Challenge a few months ago and really enjoyed it.  I did it with my sister and some friend and it was actually a really fun way to be in touch as there was a component of daily interaction between the group members.  Or similarly you could buy her a fit bit and you two could interact via their platform.

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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2016, 07:18:38 PM »
My parents financial priorities differ quite a bit from mine and I've decided it's not worth the stress to make any more recommendations. However with their health, i'd really like to encourage my mom to be more physically active and eat healthier. For years she's been "about to start exercising more and eating better" but instead has normally never started and certainly never committed to a healthy lifestyle. My mom lives 13 hours from me, so I can't invite her along for neighborhood walks or hikes/bike rides etc.

Anyone have any ideas or success stories? I get frustrated repeatedly trying to compel her to do what is in her own best interest. I want her to be around for my (future) kids sake. I know she would want that too. But she doesn't seem to understand or prioritize how high cholesterol and low daily activity correlates to this at all. I know it's not effective to threaten shame or convince her to do it, it's a change she'll have to decide to make for herself. Please help!

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Re: helping mom with health
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2016, 09:26:58 AM »
My experience is, 'helping' in this way is very rarely successful. Usually the person KNOWS perfectly well what they could/should be doing. Usually, lack of action is a personality trait, or a habit, and changing the pattern depends on what motivates each person. That is really hard to affect from the outside.

Successful external pressure, I think, is rare. First, you have to understand the barrier to the person acting, which could be physical (pain, injuries, unsafe or unpleasant outdoor environment for walking, etc.) but is most often psychological (procrastination, passivity, poor social modeling from peer group, lack of mindfulness, poor habits).

Many people have trouble figuring these two elements out for THEMSELVES, let alone for others. And even if they do, they then have to figure out concrete steps to address the barriers.

I think the strongest external motivator for most people is a serious health scare, or consistent sustained support/pressure from their immediate social group (e.g., everyone at work committing to only healthy snacks in the breakroom; everyone in the social group wanting do active physical things like hiking during social gatherings, increasing the pressure to be fit enough to do so, etc.).

When I've tried to motivate passive people who say they want to act but never do anything but talk, the single thing that I've had any success with is to do the thing WITH them. I mean, actually physically showing up and doing the thing in their presence. Make a date, show up, and do the exercise WITH the person. This tends to work with diet only if you live with the person. Either way, it essentially means that you must take on the same project yourself, and commit to it the same way you hope the person you are motivating will. The downside is that as soon as YOU stop doing it, the person you are trying to motivate will likely slack off as well.

Verbal advice/pressure, is in my opinion, of very little help, unless someone is already actively eating better, working out, and wants new ideas or tweaks for their program.

If motivation were as easy as long distance encouragement, we'd all be healthy and fit.

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Re: helping mom with health
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2016, 09:59:37 AM »
My experience is, 'helping' in this way is very rarely successful. Usually the person KNOWS perfectly well what they could/should be doing. Usually, lack of action is a personality trait, or a habit, and changing the pattern depends on what motivates each person. That is really hard to affect from the outside.

Successful external pressure, I think, is rare. First, you have to understand the barrier to the person acting, which could be physical (pain, injuries, unsafe or unpleasant outdoor environment for walking, etc.) but is most often psychological (procrastination, passivity, poor social modeling from peer group, lack of mindfulness, poor habits).

Many people have trouble figuring these two elements out for THEMSELVES, let alone for others. And even if they do, they then have to figure out concrete steps to address the barriers.

I think the strongest external motivator for most people is a serious health scare, or consistent sustained support/pressure from their immediate social group (e.g., everyone at work committing to only healthy snacks in the breakroom; everyone in the social group wanting do active physical things like hiking during social gatherings, increasing the pressure to be fit enough to do so, etc.).

When I've tried to motivate passive people who say they want to act but never do anything but talk, the single thing that I've had any success with is to do the thing WITH them. I mean, actually physically showing up and doing the thing in their presence. Make a date, show up, and do the exercise WITH the person. This tends to work with diet only if you live with the person. Either way, it essentially means that you must take on the same project yourself, and commit to it the same way you hope the person you are motivating will. The downside is that as soon as YOU stop doing it, the person you are trying to motivate will likely slack off as well.

Verbal advice/pressure, is in my opinion, of very little help, unless someone is already actively eating better, working out, and wants new ideas or tweaks for their program.

If motivation were as easy as long distance encouragement, we'd all be healthy and fit.
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As a health educator I am a firm believer in working from facts/evidence.
Get the blood work done now for a baseline - look at the results.  Get a doctor who knows how to interpret it correctly (ie. if they prescribe statins,run a mile).
Often knowing that you can move the needle in the right direction on a few specific areas is motivating.  ie. blood glucose is too high, so eat this, don't eat that for 8 weeks and come back to re-test.  Blood tests might show an underlying problem that you are otherwise unaware of.  Post menopausal women can have low thyroid problems which exascerbate a whole raft of issues.  Does your mum have trouble with her teeth/gums as well? That can indicate other things.....
Get your mum to consult a dietitician - a real one with a real medical training. NOT a nutritionist, not online.