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MumRoars

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Help with determining savings rate?
« on: January 12, 2017, 08:25:39 PM »
I realize that there are several ways of calculating savings rate. I'd like to make mine as simple as possible. Is the formula below completely off?

(401k contributions + Dependent Care Savings Account + IRA +529 Plan + Mortgage Principal Payments + Other Savings) / Gross Pay

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2017, 07:01:53 AM »
The idea of a savings rate is to create a ratio between the amount you're saving towards retirement and your total income because this implicitly tells you how much you're spending, so having the dependent care and 529 in the numerator don't feel right to me. You're not going to spend them in retirement. On the other hand, they do represent a reduction of spending (in retirement you don't need to replace the income that's going into the 529 assuming you'll save enough by the time you retire). The dependent care account isn't "real" savings, just deferred spending -- will those expenses continue in retirement?

Assuming you'll be done saving for college once you retire, and the expenses paid for out the dependent care account will go away (you're not working, so you stop using daycare), then I would be comfortable with something more like:

(401k contributions + IRA + Mortgage Principal Payments + Other Savings) / (Gross Pay - Dependent Care Savings Account - 529 Plan)

If the dependent care spending will not go away, then just leave it out of the calculation entirely:

(401k contributions + IRA + Mortgage Principal Payments + Other Savings) / (Gross Pay - 529 Plan)

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter how you calculate it, it's just a way to measure progress against yourself so you know how you're doing over time. If you're trying to look at the "this many years to retirement" type posts like MMM's Shockingly Simple Math, then I think those tend to use take home pay instead of gross pay and then add back in things like the 401k contribution (that are both income not reflected in take home pay, and savings) to both the numerator and denominator.

Since I track expenses very closely and total savings for retirement is easy to figure out (beginning balance - ending balance), I like to take it from the opposite side and calculate the multiples of expenses I've saved in a year. This gets back to the 25x (or 30x, or whatever multiple you're comfortable with) that you need to save to retire. Even with this you need to remember that there are likely to be expenses in retirement that aren't reflected in your current spending (or vice versa) like health insurance.

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2017, 07:23:13 AM »
Are any of the 'other savings' earmarked for spending? Ie saving for a holiday next year or a new TV next week?

If not it looks good (enough).

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2017, 10:59:10 AM »
Love that you're tracking this. It is the MOST IMPORTANT number you could possible track on your way to FI.

Here's the simplest way:

(Money Invested (or Earmarked) for You're Retirement) / Pay

Tried to keep the reply simple too. :) Hope that helps!

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2017, 01:45:58 PM »
It is the MOST IMPORTANT number you could possible track on your way to FI.

More important than tracking your spending?  Blashphemy!  Spending is what matters.  The rest is just details.

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2017, 12:07:08 AM »
It is the MOST IMPORTANT number you could possible track on your way to FI.

More important than tracking your spending?  Blashphemy!  Spending is what matters.  The rest is just details.

Spending? Outrage! Invested Net Worth is what matters. Also the number of clean towels one has access to.

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 09:56:48 PM »
Love that you're tracking this. It is the MOST IMPORTANT number you could possible track on your way to FI.

Here's the simplest way:

(Money Invested (or Earmarked) for You're Retirement) / Pay

Tried to keep the reply simple too. :) Hope that helps!

A ha! Of course - never thought about calculating this way but it makes complete sense. Thanks!!

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Re: Help with determining savings rate?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2017, 09:12:32 AM »
If you have no intention of selling or renting the property is it still accurate to count mortgage principal?  I current have that as an expense and I don't count increased property value in gains for this reason.