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Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« on: December 09, 2020, 11:59:47 AM »
Hi all,

I need some help here. I'm taking a 10-12 week trip out west this upcoming summer and my company is not going to offer a sabbatical. Thanks to this form I've got enough money that the family and I are doing this anyways. So, I will be quitting my job and not planning on getting another one until 12 weeks later.

What are the best options for short term health insurance for my wife and family? We have no per-existing conditions, but want to have some 'disaster level' insurance.

Thanks!
« Last Edit: December 10, 2020, 02:22:59 PM by gpotter »

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Re: Health Insurance during a leave of absence
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2020, 12:36:04 PM »
You might want to change your title. This is not a leave of absence, which is governed differently than just being between jobs.

Have you looked into what the COBRA payments would be? Are you aware that you have two months from when your employer covered insurance ends to elect COBRA, but it will be retroactive if you meet the deadline?

Have you looked at ACA?

Have you looked at short term plans?

You have to look at the different options to decide what is going to be best for you, and that will differ somewhat by your state of residence.

One of the messed up things about US health insurance is that the disaster level might be the only thing worth having while you are traveling in a different state than the plan was issued in.

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Re: Health Insurance during a leave of absence
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2020, 01:01:16 PM »
Yeah, you're not taking a leave of absence, you're quitting. Big difference. Seconded on COBRA, ACA, etc.

Also, you have enough money to take 3 months off. Great! But are you prepared in case you can't get a job again quickly? Who knows what the job market is going to be like in 6 months. But since you have enough money to just quit the job, do you also have enough leverage in the company to get them to make an exception for you?

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Re: Health Insurance during a leave of absence
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2020, 01:16:03 PM »
Another COBRA candidate.

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Re: Health Insurance during a leave of absence
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2020, 02:04:08 PM »
There is an exception in the ACA for "short term plans" that cover a limited period of time.  The maximum length they can cover varies by state.  In my state the maximum is 180 days.

They are not ACA conforming "minimum essential coverage", meaning the don't cover everything the ACA requires real health insurance covers.   Most importantly, they exclude pre-existing conditions. They are allowed to cap maximum lifetime benefits, and those caps are on the low side.  They do not cover maternity services, very few cover mental health, and not all of them even cover prescription drugs.  However, they can be useful for short term gaps in coverage to cover catastrophic expenses.

If I had the choice, I would go with COBRA coverage, but if that wasn't available or was prohibitively expensive, a short term plan might be what you are looking for.

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2020, 02:27:50 PM »
@Sibley , we've got enough funds set aside in cash to handle 2-3 years right now. I know it's more than we 'should' have, but we just sold a rental property.

My wife has an approved sabbatical, so she will have a job to come back to and we can easily live on her salary while I find something new. We can even get onto her company's insurance once we get back from the trip, so we are only in need of this for ~12 weeks.

I don't have enough pull at the company for an exception. My boss fought hard, but they still refused.

I'll take a close look at Cobra and see how much it's going to cost.
Thanks all!

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2020, 03:31:27 PM »
@Sibley , we've got enough funds set aside in cash to handle 2-3 years right now. I know it's more than we 'should' have, but we just sold a rental property.

My wife has an approved sabbatical, so she will have a job to come back to and we can easily live on her salary while I find something new. We can even get onto her company's insurance once we get back from the trip, so we are only in need of this for ~12 weeks.

I don't have enough pull at the company for an exception. My boss fought hard, but they still refused.

I'll take a close look at Cobra and see how much it's going to cost.
Thanks all!

Are you sure you will be able to get her company's insurance after the trip? You mentioned a 10-12 week trip and you often only have 30-60 days after a qualifying event to sign up. I would think in this case, your last day of work is your qualifying event. As such, your best option, if she is eligible for insurance during the sabbatical might be to quit a few weeks before the trip and get signed up for the new insurance at her workplace.

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2020, 06:21:46 AM »
@ixtap , I will look into this option this week. Thanks for the heads up on the qualifying event timeline.

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2020, 06:52:35 AM »
As a state employee, I'm covered the entire month for health insurance from my last day of employment.  The generally recommended strategy is to quit on the 1st of the month to keep coverage until the 30th or 31st.  Not sure if this applies to your situation, but if its does, that might at least take care of some chunk of time you're worried about.

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2020, 07:19:57 AM »
Go on Medicaid, it is based on monthly income, so when you leave your job you will qualify.*

*In 38 states and income is below $1,468 a month.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2020, 07:23:56 AM by jim555 »

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2020, 07:39:19 AM »
There is the '60 day' window with COBRA that you might consider.

In short, after you leave your current job you have 60 days to retroactively sign up for COBRA.  This includes any health care costs included during that 60 day period.  So... you can 'let it ride' for the first 59 days and see if you have any major medical expenses.  If you do, you sign up for COBRA and pay the (substantial) premiums that your workplace previously covered.  If not, you can then sign up for a private plan to cover the remaining ~month until you start your new job and get coverage there.


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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2020, 07:43:58 AM »
There is the '60 day' window with COBRA that you might consider.

In short, after you leave your current job you have 60 days to retroactively sign up for COBRA.  This includes any health care costs included during that 60 day period.  So... you can 'let it ride' for the first 59 days and see if you have any major medical expenses.  If you do, you sign up for COBRA and pay the (substantial) premiums that your workplace previously covered.  If not, you can then sign up for a private plan to cover the remaining ~month until you start your new job and get coverage there.

I forget the exact timelines, but I think you also have some time to pay. So you can sign up at day 59 even then wait and maybe not pay the premium if you don't end up needing medical care.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2020, 07:57:52 AM »
There is the '60 day' window with COBRA that you might consider.

In short, after you leave your current job you have 60 days to retroactively sign up for COBRA.  This includes any health care costs included during that 60 day period.  So... you can 'let it ride' for the first 59 days and see if you have any major medical expenses.  If you do, you sign up for COBRA and pay the (substantial) premiums that your workplace previously covered.  If not, you can then sign up for a private plan to cover the remaining ~month until you start your new job and get coverage there.

I forget the exact timelines, but I think you also have some time to pay. So you can sign up at day 59 even then wait and maybe not pay the premium if you don't end up needing medical care.

It's 45 days, apparently:
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A group health plan cannot require payment for any period of COBRA continuation coverage earlier than 45 days after the day on which the qualified beneficiary made the initial election for continuation coverage.

However, you must sign up for coverage before the 60 day period has ended.  So on day 59 you will face a choice:  sign up for COBRA (and submit payment within 45 days) or sign up for an alternative health care plan going forward (or go without any coverage from that point forwrad). 

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2020, 08:58:00 AM »
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A group health plan cannot require payment for any period of COBRA continuation coverage earlier than 45 days after the day on which the qualified beneficiary made the initial election for continuation coverage.

However, you must sign up for coverage before the 60 day period has ended.  So on day 59 you will face a choice:  sign up for COBRA (and submit payment within 45 days) or sign up for an alternative health care plan going forward (or go without any coverage from that point forwrad).

Right, so at day 59 you can sign up, then at day 59 + 44 = 103 you decide whether you had enough medical care during that time that you should pay for COBRA and get that medical care covered or whether you should not pay the premium, which means you were not covered that whole time. Either way you should get coverage after day 103 either by paying the back COBRA premiums and continuing to pay for COBRA going forward, or by getting other insurance. Waiting to pay the premium basically pushes out the decision point for whether to be covered retroactively by COBRA out another month and a half when you'll have even more information.

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2020, 09:09:00 AM »
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A group health plan cannot require payment for any period of COBRA continuation coverage earlier than 45 days after the day on which the qualified beneficiary made the initial election for continuation coverage.

However, you must sign up for coverage before the 60 day period has ended.  So on day 59 you will face a choice:  sign up for COBRA (and submit payment within 45 days) or sign up for an alternative health care plan going forward (or go without any coverage from that point forwrad).

Right, so at day 59 you can sign up, then at day 59 + 44 = 103 you decide whether you had enough medical care during that time that you should pay for COBRA and get that medical care covered or whether you should not pay the premium, which means you were not covered that whole time. Either way you should get coverage after day 103 either by paying the back COBRA premiums and continuing to pay for COBRA going forward, or by getting other insurance. Waiting to pay the premium basically pushes out the decision point for whether to be covered retroactively by COBRA out another month and a half when you'll have even more information.

You *could* do that, and more than likely you would be fine.  However, notification (at day 59) indicates acceptance of coverage and williness to pay.  So they will likely bill you for those 60+45 days over coverage, which could be several thousand dollars depending on the plan. 

You could of course refuse to pay and they might decide that you aren't worth pursuing (no care = little cost to them)... but OTOH they might come after you and send you to collection.


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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2020, 12:47:29 PM »
You could get travel insurance.
Also you could let the chips fall where they may. I went without insurance for a few months a few years ago. I think I had to pay a penalty 0f 80 dollars at tax time. If I understand correctly, there are not even penalties anymore.

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2020, 07:35:29 PM »
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A group health plan cannot require payment for any period of COBRA continuation coverage earlier than 45 days after the day on which the qualified beneficiary made the initial election for continuation coverage.

However, you must sign up for coverage before the 60 day period has ended.  So on day 59 you will face a choice:  sign up for COBRA (and submit payment within 45 days) or sign up for an alternative health care plan going forward (or go without any coverage from that point forwrad).

Right, so at day 59 you can sign up, then at day 59 + 44 = 103 you decide whether you had enough medical care during that time that you should pay for COBRA and get that medical care covered or whether you should not pay the premium, which means you were not covered that whole time. Either way you should get coverage after day 103 either by paying the back COBRA premiums and continuing to pay for COBRA going forward, or by getting other insurance. Waiting to pay the premium basically pushes out the decision point for whether to be covered retroactively by COBRA out another month and a half when you'll have even more information.

Although this is technically correct, IF you need medical care, you will have no insurance to present to a healthcare provider until after your insurance company clears the check AND processes the paperwork.  So unless you are in an ER with a life threatening issue, you will 1.) be refused service or 2.) be expected to pay upfront.

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2020, 06:33:47 AM »
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A group health plan cannot require payment for any period of COBRA continuation coverage earlier than 45 days after the day on which the qualified beneficiary made the initial election for continuation coverage.

However, you must sign up for coverage before the 60 day period has ended.  So on day 59 you will face a choice:  sign up for COBRA (and submit payment within 45 days) or sign up for an alternative health care plan going forward (or go without any coverage from that point forwrad).

Right, so at day 59 you can sign up, then at day 59 + 44 = 103 you decide whether you had enough medical care during that time that you should pay for COBRA and get that medical care covered or whether you should not pay the premium, which means you were not covered that whole time. Either way you should get coverage after day 103 either by paying the back COBRA premiums and continuing to pay for COBRA going forward, or by getting other insurance. Waiting to pay the premium basically pushes out the decision point for whether to be covered retroactively by COBRA out another month and a half when you'll have even more information.

Although this is technically correct, IF you need medical care, you will have no insurance to present to a healthcare provider until after your insurance company clears the check AND processes the paperwork.  So unless you are in an ER with a life threatening issue, you will 1.) be refused service or 2.) be expected to pay upfront.

It's unclear to me which period you are referring to - the 60 day grace period or the following 45 day period when payment is due.  However, neither is accurate.  By law, you are permitted 60 days to *remain* on your previous employers health care plan under HIPPA.  If you have to go for medical care, that is the insurance information you provide to the health-care provider.  By law they cannot refuse service, and by law your employer's health care plan cannot refuse to cover you. 
After the 60 day period, you must have notified your previous health care plan of your intention to continue coverage under COBRA.  Under that circumstance, your coverage remains the same as before, though you will be billed for the full premium and any co-pays starting from the day you left your previous job.

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Re: Health Insurance during a break between jobs
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A group health plan cannot require payment for any period of COBRA continuation coverage earlier than 45 days after the day on which the qualified beneficiary made the initial election for continuation coverage.

However, you must sign up for coverage before the 60 day period has ended.  So on day 59 you will face a choice:  sign up for COBRA (and submit payment within 45 days) or sign up for an alternative health care plan going forward (or go without any coverage from that point forwrad).

Right, so at day 59 you can sign up, then at day 59 + 44 = 103 you decide whether you had enough medical care during that time that you should pay for COBRA and get that medical care covered or whether you should not pay the premium, which means you were not covered that whole time. Either way you should get coverage after day 103 either by paying the back COBRA premiums and continuing to pay for COBRA going forward, or by getting other insurance. Waiting to pay the premium basically pushes out the decision point for whether to be covered retroactively by COBRA out another month and a half when you'll have even more information.

Although this is technically correct, IF you need medical care, you will have no insurance to present to a healthcare provider until after your insurance company clears the check AND processes the paperwork.  So unless you are in an ER with a life threatening issue, you will 1.) be refused service or 2.) be expected to pay upfront.

It's unclear to me which period you are referring to - the 60 day grace period or the following 45 day period when payment is due.  However, neither is accurate.  By law, you are permitted 60 days to *remain* on your previous employers health care plan under HIPPA.  If you have to go for medical care, that is the insurance information you provide to the health-care provider.  By law they cannot refuse service, and by law your employer's health care plan cannot refuse to cover you. 
After the 60 day period, you must have notified your previous health care plan of your intention to continue coverage under COBRA.  Under that circumstance, your coverage remains the same as before, though you will be billed for the full premium and any co-pays starting from the day you left your previous job.

You do not *remain* on your previous coverage (ended 4/30/19).  You get *new or reinstated* coverage retroactively (started 5/1/19).

My insurance company did not activate my membership until several weeks after I submitted the paperwork and payment. I had an appointment scheduled on 5/30 with a specialist, that I scheduled several months earlier and took the first available.  When the provider used their system to confirm my membership with the insurance company, it showed I was not active.  The insurance company did not know I was active, because the employer had not sent them the needed information.  I had to pay the full cost out-of-pocket or they would not see me, and that was after arguing with them, because they wanted to just cancel my appointment.

I filed a complaint with the Department of Labor due the the COBRA violation -- filled out forms, submitted copies, talked to someone on the phone a couple of times.  In the end they said it wasn't really a violation, because the language was vague in the letter I received.  The COBRA letter specifically said the coverage would not be activated until payment was received.  I was thoroughly disgusted with the DoL. 

BTW, I submitted the enrollment documents and payment online only a day or two after receiving the notice, and my checking account was debited the next day (5/23).  It was almost a month later before my coverage was active.  So as far as providers were concerned, I wasn't covered for almost 8 weeks.  The real culprit here was the employer, though, not the insurance company.

Oh, and they required me to pay for 3 months up front before activating (for May, June, and July based on notice received 5/20).  Another clear COBRA violation.