Have you found your muse?

[Ron Scott]

I was one of the fortunate people to have a paid job that gave me great satisfaction, on and off of course, for many years. I could throw myself into my work at times and there was nothing else I’d rather be doing…until I just had enough of “work” and retired.

In retirement for 4+ years and still haven’t found that same feeling. I have no interest in having a boss or working for money and I can’t seem to get motivated to volunteer for anything. I’m on a board, but that doesn’t take up lots of time or provide real satisfaction.

Have you found your muse?

[GuitarStv]

I found my Muse in 2006:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgum6OT_VH8



There has certainly been work that I enjoyed and taken satisfaction from . . . but I have never had a job where I'd rather do the work than other stuff in my life.

[Loren Ver]

DH was always lukewarm with work and most of life surrounding that with few exceptions.  I always just thought he was a bit lazy and would always just be a sit around and watch TV guy. 

Then we retired a few years ago and with work or school no longer sucking out all is desire to do the fun things in life he decided we needed dinosaurs in our yard.  He taught himself to weld and now spends hours a day creating, maintaining, sourcing, mulching, etc,  his metal gardens and dinosaur park.  I'd say he found not only his muse but all the energy that work was draining out of him has been refocused into something we both value other than turning a crank for someone else to make some dollars.

As for me, I like to wander.  Some times I wander 5 miles, some times 25 miles.  Gives my brain time to ponder.  Hard to string together that much time on foot when you have 8+ hours of sitting at a desk to do.  Not really finding a muse in the classical sense, but I find it valuable (as does my heart) in a different way than what I was doing in my previous industry.   Heard some good books, thought some good thoughts, meet some good people, petted some friendly dogs. 

 

[PDXTabs]

I found my Muse in 2006:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgum6OT_VH8

Interesting.

[Metalcat]

I LOVED my job, to the point that I always capitalize "love" when I say this here. Fucking loved it, that shit gave me life.

And no, I'm not going to find a hobby that can produce the same high that my work did.

However, I also don't need it either. I've learned to see that high octane experience as a phase of my life that's now over. This phase is all about learning to be fulfilled by a much simpler, healthier life that focuses almost entirely on self care and really great relationships.

I don't know how long this phase will last, I have some stuff going on in the background that makes it difficult to do anything else, but it's been great because it's really allowed me to lean in to this whole enjoying each day, even the simple ones.

Who knows what the next phase will be, but I'm not stressed about it because it will be whatever I want it to be.

[EarlyInJourney]

Quote from: GuitarStv on Today at 12:30:52 PM
I found my Muse in 2006:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgum6OT_VH8

Interesting.

I'm just glad I didn't get Rickrolled.

[Ron Scott]

I LOVED my job, to the point that I always capitalize "love" when I say this here. Fucking loved it, that shit gave me life.

And no, I'm not going to find a hobby that can produce the same high that my work did.

However, I also don't need it either. I've learned to see that high octane experience as a phase of my life that's now over. This phase is all about learning to be fulfilled by a much simpler, healthier life that focuses almost entirely on self care and really great relationships.

I don't know how long this phase will last, I have some stuff going on in the background that makes it difficult to do anything else, but it's been great because it's really allowed me to lean in to this whole enjoying each day, even the simple ones.

Who knows what the next phase will be, but I'm not stressed about it because it will be whatever I want it to be.

Wow, 8253 posts.  I think you found your fucking muse dude…

[Metalcat]

I LOVED my job, to the point that I always capitalize "love" when I say this here. Fucking loved it, that shit gave me life.

And no, I'm not going to find a hobby that can produce the same high that my work did.

However, I also don't need it either. I've learned to see that high octane experience as a phase of my life that's now over. This phase is all about learning to be fulfilled by a much simpler, healthier life that focuses almost entirely on self care and really great relationships.

I don't know how long this phase will last, I have some stuff going on in the background that makes it difficult to do anything else, but it's been great because it's really allowed me to lean in to this whole enjoying each day, even the simple ones.

Who knows what the next phase will be, but I'm not stressed about it because it will be whatever I want it to be.

Wow, 8253 posts.  I think you found your fucking muse dude…

Lol, no, I'm just disabled and stuck in bed about half the time. Plus I've been here a long time.

[ducky19]

DH was always lukewarm with work and most of life surrounding that with few exceptions.  I always just thought he was a bit lazy and would always just be a sit around and watch TV guy. 

Then we retired a few years ago and with work or school no longer sucking out all is desire to do the fun things in life he decided we needed dinosaurs in our yard.  He taught himself to weld and now spends hours a day creating, maintaining, sourcing, mulching, etc,  his metal gardens and dinosaur park.  I'd say he found not only his muse but all the energy that work was draining out of him has been refocused into something we both value other than turning a crank for someone else to make some dollars.

As for me, I like to wander.  Some times I wander 5 miles, some times 25 miles.  Gives my brain time to ponder.  Hard to string together that much time on foot when you have 8+ hours of sitting at a desk to do.  Not really finding a muse in the classical sense, but I find it valuable (as does my heart) in a different way than what I was doing in my previous industry.   Heard some good books, thought some good thoughts, meet some good people, petted some friendly dogs.

Interesting! I also like to wander... maybe you should consider a little bit longer wander!

www.vacationwithoutacar.com

I've done Vol State twice now, and I'm registered for Heart of the South next June. It's really the highlight of my year!

ETA: Don't think you have to be a runner to do this, many people walk the whole thing. I walk the majority and still finish in the sub 8 day range.

[slackmax]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.   

[Metalcat]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.

Sure, but depending on what you mean by your partner being your muse, it's often an unhealthy dynamic.

What motivation are you lacking that you think a girlfriend would provide?

[GuitarStv]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.

Sure, but depending on what you mean by your partner being your muse, it's often an unhealthy dynamic.

What motivation are you lacking that you think a girlfriend would provide?

Expecting a person to suddenly and magically cause inspiration is a bad idea, likely doomed to fail.  I think that being a muse is less about what you actually do, and more about what the artist sees in you.  If the artists is infatuated then the object of affections is naturally going to become a source of inspiration.

[Metalcat]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.

Sure, but depending on what you mean by your partner being your muse, it's often an unhealthy dynamic.

What motivation are you lacking that you think a girlfriend would provide?

Expecting a person to suddenly and magically cause inspiration is a bad idea, likely doomed to fail.  I think that being a muse is less about what you actually do, and more about what the artist sees in you.  If the artists is infatuated then the object of affections is naturally going to become a source of inspiration.

Again, that's why I asked specifically what form of "muse" the person means. This thread isn't specifically about artists, so it really could mean anything.

It could mean something super toxic like "I think I need a partner to motivate me to live my best life because otherwise I lack the motivation or drive to do it myself" or it could be something more healthy like "I love my life, but I would love to find someone who always inspires me to be my best self"

Simple examples:

I've had an ex tell me that they were pissed that I didn't inspire them to be more physically active. Because I'm disabled and the exercise I can do is limited, they never felt motivated to push themselves physically because I didn't. That was some bullshit.

Meanwhile, DH says that watching me constantly push my body as far as it can go, putting such huge effort into maintaining the fitness level that I can, really motivated him to take advantage of not being disabled and inspires him to work much, much harder on his own fitness and health than he used to.

[wageslave23]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.

I think you will be perpetually disappointed.  A significant other just like kids should be a part of your life not your whole life. Otherwise even the most interesting person will get boring after a while.  IMO you should have multiple "muses" (interests as I'm using the word) - hobbies, interests, relationships, goals, purposes.  Whenever I fixate on one thing for too long it ends up feeling empty and shallow.

[Rusted Rose]

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting an inspiring partner. Who said it had to be the *only* thing that inspired someone?

I wouldn't mind at all being someone's muse, as long as it came without a couple of red-flag conditions.

What I wouldn't like is being expected to provide this "service" on a one-sided basis--I'd want my guy to be my muse too. This does not mean we'd have no other interests.

Further, muse-hood shouldn't be based on expecting someone to conform to idealized fantasy. There's a long tradition of projecting a BS idea onto women of who we should and shouldn't be to suit others, so we are not seen and appreciated for who we are. Then we get tossed out because of impossible expectations that often we didn't even know were operating.

We can be real and still be inspiring.

[Loren Ver]

DH was always lukewarm with work and most of life surrounding that with few exceptions.  I always just thought he was a bit lazy and would always just be a sit around and watch TV guy. 

Then we retired a few years ago and with work or school no longer sucking out all is desire to do the fun things in life he decided we needed dinosaurs in our yard.  He taught himself to weld and now spends hours a day creating, maintaining, sourcing, mulching, etc,  his metal gardens and dinosaur park.  I'd say he found not only his muse but all the energy that work was draining out of him has been refocused into something we both value other than turning a crank for someone else to make some dollars.

As for me, I like to wander.  Some times I wander 5 miles, some times 25 miles.  Gives my brain time to ponder.  Hard to string together that much time on foot when you have 8+ hours of sitting at a desk to do.  Not really finding a muse in the classical sense, but I find it valuable (as does my heart) in a different way than what I was doing in my previous industry.   Heard some good books, thought some good thoughts, meet some good people, petted some friendly dogs.

Interesting! I also like to wander... maybe you should consider a little bit longer wander!

www.vacationwithoutacar.com

I've done Vol State twice now, and I'm registered for Heart of the South next June. It's really the highlight of my year!

ETA: Don't think you have to be a runner to do this, many people walk the whole thing. I walk the majority and still finish in the sub 8 day range.

This is pretty awesome and that you have completed it twice is so cool!  Way to go!  I don't know if I would even be able to do it in less than 10 days though, I'm a wanderer, not particularly fast, and finding food and shelter sounds like work which I generally opt not to do :D.  Still a long wander does sound like fun!

One of the best things about this forum is people sharing fascinating and niche things like this race.  It's the best.  I would have never found it on my own, the world (and internet) is just too big.

Thank you!

Loren

[Dreamer40]

I’m not the type of person to have one muse or throw myself long term into a single obsession or project. That’s partly why professional work was so miserable for me. I got bored very quickly.

I watched the Great British Baking show a few years ago and have been baking my own bread ever since. But I don’t orient my life around bread baking, that’s just something I enjoy for a few minutes a week. I threw myself into gardening this year and filled my yard with berry bushes and fruit trees. But am ready to turn to other projects for the winter. I like letting my time be filled with my current interests and shift from season to season. My muse is fickle and fleeting, and I’m most happy when I let myself be pulled in new directions.

[wageslave23]

I’m not the type of person to have one muse or throw myself long term into a single obsession or project. That’s partly why professional work was so miserable for me. I got bored very quickly.

I watched the Great British Baking show a few years ago and have been baking my own bread ever since. But I don’t orient my life around bread baking, that’s just something I enjoy for a few minutes a week. I threw myself into gardening this year and filled my yard with berry bushes and fruit trees. But am ready to turn to other projects for the winter. I like letting my time be filled with my current interests and shift from season to season. My muse is fickle and fleeting, and I’m most happy when I let myself be pulled in new directions.

Me too.  My curiosity muscle is strong and I look forward to flexing it.

[Morning Glory]

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting an inspiring partner. Who said it had to be the *only* thing that inspired someone?

I wouldn't mind at all being someone's muse, as long as it came without a couple of red-flag conditions.

What I wouldn't like is being expected to provide this "service" on a one-sided basis--I'd want my guy to be my muse too. This does not mean we'd have no other interests.

Further, muse-hood shouldn't be based on expecting someone to conform to idealized fantasy. There's a long tradition of projecting a BS idea onto women of who we should and shouldn't be to suit others, so we are not seen and appreciated for who we are. Then we get tossed out because of impossible expectations that often we didn't even know were operating.

We can be real and still be inspiring.

An amusing story about muses:
I am like 75% sure that I was someone's muse once but I didn't find out about it until 20 years later and it's vague enough that I can't be certain that it was me but I did have a memory come back of the exact moment described and it was beautiful and also sad because I remembered what happened afterward. I had nothing that I could really do with this information, other than wish I had found it sooner, so I used that situation as a muse for something creative and I got really into writing that story.  After finishing it I really didn't know what to do so I set it aside but I might eventually try and publish a heavily edited version of it under a pseudonym but that almost feels like it wouldn't be right. Also I later found the guy and apologized for the bullshit and he was really nice about it and we have gotten to know each other as real people and not some adolescent fantasy, but I don't ever intend on telling him about any of this because it would be awkward and probably spoil things. It does sound a bit like the plot of a country and western song though.

[Rusted Rose]

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting an inspiring partner. Who said it had to be the *only* thing that inspired someone?

I wouldn't mind at all being someone's muse, as long as it came without a couple of red-flag conditions.

What I wouldn't like is being expected to provide this "service" on a one-sided basis--I'd want my guy to be my muse too. This does not mean we'd have no other interests.

Further, muse-hood shouldn't be based on expecting someone to conform to idealized fantasy. There's a long tradition of projecting a BS idea onto women of who we should and shouldn't be to suit others, so we are not seen and appreciated for who we are. Then we get tossed out because of impossible expectations that often we didn't even know were operating.

We can be real and still be inspiring.

An amusing story about muses:
I am like 75% sure that I was someone's muse once but I didn't find out about it until 20 years later and it's vague enough that I can't be certain that it was me but I did have a memory come back of the exact moment described and it was beautiful and also sad because I remembered what happened afterward. I had nothing that I could really do with this information, other than wish I had found it sooner, so I used that situation as a muse for something creative and I got really into writing that story.  After finishing it I really didn't know what to do so I set it aside but I might eventually try and publish a heavily edited version of it under a pseudonym but that almost feels like it wouldn't be right. Also I later found the guy and apologized for the bullshit and he was really nice about it and we have gotten to know each other as real people and not some adolescent fantasy, but I don't ever intend on telling him about any of this because it would be awkward and probably spoil things. It does sound a bit like the plot of a country and western song though.

Hmm, kind of romantic, certainly interesting. :) I've had many muses, but I've no clue if I've been for anyone beyond actual former relationships. In which cases I assume that I'm not any longer. ;)

That's cool that you got to know the guy better later on. I've got a bit of a muse I feel like I'd like to know better, but I'm not sure.

By "bullshit" do you mean conflict, or something else?

Tangentially, the latest episode of a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans, which is about people's lives getting basically pushed off the path they thought they were on, was ummm dramatic enough for a song too, and it ended with an understated twist about, well, something else that apparently lay dormant for a long time and was later relevant. (Cryptic, I know, but I don't want to spoil too much.) Ummm relationships are interesting.

[Metalcat]

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting an inspiring partner. Who said it had to be the *only* thing that inspired someone?

I wouldn't mind at all being someone's muse, as long as it came without a couple of red-flag conditions.

What I wouldn't like is being expected to provide this "service" on a one-sided basis--I'd want my guy to be my muse too. This does not mean we'd have no other interests.

Further, muse-hood shouldn't be based on expecting someone to conform to idealized fantasy. There's a long tradition of projecting a BS idea onto women of who we should and shouldn't be to suit others, so we are not seen and appreciated for who we are. Then we get tossed out because of impossible expectations that often we didn't even know were operating.

We can be real and still be inspiring.

An amusing story about muses:
I am like 75% sure that I was someone's muse once but I didn't find out about it until 20 years later and it's vague enough that I can't be certain that it was me but I did have a memory come back of the exact moment described and it was beautiful and also sad because I remembered what happened afterward. I had nothing that I could really do with this information, other than wish I had found it sooner, so I used that situation as a muse for something creative and I got really into writing that story.  After finishing it I really didn't know what to do so I set it aside but I might eventually try and publish a heavily edited version of it under a pseudonym but that almost feels like it wouldn't be right. Also I later found the guy and apologized for the bullshit and he was really nice about it and we have gotten to know each other as real people and not some adolescent fantasy, but I don't ever intend on telling him about any of this because it would be awkward and probably spoil things. It does sound a bit like the plot of a country and western song though.

Hmm, kind of romantic, certainly interesting. :) I've had many muses, but I've no clue if I've been for anyone beyond actual former relationships. In which cases I assume that I'm not any longer. ;)

That's cool that you got to know the guy better later on. I've got a bit of a muse I feel like I'd like to know better, but I'm not sure.

By "bullshit" do you mean conflict, or something else?

Tangentially, the latest episode of a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans, which is about people's lives getting basically pushed off the path they thought they were on, was ummm dramatic enough for a song too, and it ended with an understated twist about, well, something else that apparently lay dormant for a long time and was later relevant. (Cryptic, I know, but I don't want to spoil too much.) Ummm relationships are interesting.

Cryptic yes, I can't make any bloody sense of what you've just posted.

You could put the details in a spoiler box instead for those of us who are curious but have no interest in listening to the podcast.

[Morning Glory]

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting an inspiring partner. Who said it had to be the *only* thing that inspired someone?

I wouldn't mind at all being someone's muse, as long as it came without a couple of red-flag conditions.

What I wouldn't like is being expected to provide this "service" on a one-sided basis--I'd want my guy to be my muse too. This does not mean we'd have no other interests.

Further, muse-hood shouldn't be based on expecting someone to conform to idealized fantasy. There's a long tradition of projecting a BS idea onto women of who we should and shouldn't be to suit others, so we are not seen and appreciated for who we are. Then we get tossed out because of impossible expectations that often we didn't even know were operating.

We can be real and still be inspiring.

An amusing story about muses:
I am like 75% sure that I was someone's muse once but I didn't find out about it until 20 years later and it's vague enough that I can't be certain that it was me but I did have a memory come back of the exact moment described and it was beautiful and also sad because I remembered what happened afterward. I had nothing that I could really do with this information, other than wish I had found it sooner, so I used that situation as a muse for something creative and I got really into writing that story.  After finishing it I really didn't know what to do so I set it aside but I might eventually try and publish a heavily edited version of it under a pseudonym but that almost feels like it wouldn't be right. Also I later found the guy and apologized for the bullshit and he was really nice about it and we have gotten to know each other as real people and not some adolescent fantasy, but I don't ever intend on telling him about any of this because it would be awkward and probably spoil things. It does sound a bit like the plot of a country and western song though.

Hmm, kind of romantic, certainly interesting. :) I've had many muses, but I've no clue if I've been for anyone beyond actual former relationships. In which cases I assume that I'm not any longer. ;)

That's cool that you got to know the guy better later on. I've got a bit of a muse I feel like I'd like to know better, but I'm not sure.

By "bullshit" do you mean conflict, or something else?

Tangentially, the latest episode of a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans, which is about people's lives getting basically pushed off the path they thought they were on, was ummm dramatic enough for a song too, and it ended with an understated twist about, well, something else that apparently lay dormant for a long time and was later relevant. (Cryptic, I know, but I don't want to spoil too much.) Ummm relationships are interesting.

Cryptic yes, I can't make any bloody sense of what you've just posted.

You could put the details in a spoiler box instead for those of us who are curious but have no interest in listening to the podcast.

Agree, I also prefer reading instead of listening.

By bullshit I mean a love triangle worthy of a YA romance novel lol.  Anyway it was all years ago and it's much nicer to have a friend than a muse.

[Metalcat]

Agree, I also prefer reading instead of listening.

By bullshit I mean a love triangle worthy of a YA romance novel lol.  Anyway it was all years ago and it's much nicer to have a friend than a muse.

I've been a "muse" to a number of artists, it's fine as long as you don't get romantically involved with them. But in those cases it was never about me, I just facilitated their own egotistical self expression.

I've supplied plenty of inspiration in relationships though. No one has come out of a relationship with me without becoming a very, very different person at the end.

[slackmax]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.

Sure, but depending on what you mean by your partner being your muse, it's often an unhealthy dynamic.

What motivation are you lacking that you think a girlfriend would provide?

Well, I suppose I mean using the girl friend, in a romantic relationship, that can be written about, as in a poem or novel. My experiences with my girlfriend muse would give me ideas to write about. I would imagine writers of both sexes have done this throughout the ages, of course.

I guess I answered my own question. Yes, a person can be a muse. In my case, I would tell her she was my muse. 

As far as motivation, I would be motivated to create my artistic work as a tribute to her, and to our relationship. 

[Metalcat]

Can a person be a muse? Sometimes I think I am looking for a relationship in which a girlfriend would be my muse, among other things.

Sure, but depending on what you mean by your partner being your muse, it's often an unhealthy dynamic.

What motivation are you lacking that you think a girlfriend would provide?

Well, I suppose I mean using the girl friend, in a romantic relationship, that can be written about, as in a poem or novel. My experiences with my girlfriend muse would give me ideas to write about. I would imagine writers of both sexes have done this throughout the ages, of course.

I guess I answered my own question. Yes, a person can be a muse. In my case, I would tell her she was my muse. 

As far as motivation, I would be motivated to create my artistic work as a tribute to her, and to our relationship.

I would say that most artists are inspired by their romantic relationships to some degree.

ETA: though nothing inspires like toxic relationships and brutal emotional pain, that shit is artistic gold

I'm a remarkable narrative writer when I'm going through hell in a fucked up relationship, but when I'm happy and I'm a healthy, loving, stable relationship, I can't write narrative work for shit. Hence why I haven't written creatively for nearly a decade. I'm happily married, it can be a huge dampener of creative energy to have your emotional needs met.

[beekayworld]

Can a person be a muse? 

This question made me smile because when I saw the thread title I assumed the poster was referring to looking for a person to inspire creative endeavors. For example, fashion designers often have muses. Versace famously had his sister, Naomi Crawford, Linda Evangelista etc as muses.

https://www.crfashionbook.com/fashion/g27260119/versace-muses-throughout-history/

Elsa Peretti was Halston's muse:
https://graziamagazine.com/me/articles/who-was-elsa-perretti-everything-you-need-to-know-about-haltsons-muse/

etc.

[Metalcat]

Can a person be a muse? 

This question made me smile because when I saw the thread title I assumed the poster was referring to looking for a person to inspire creative endeavors. For example, fashion designers often have muses. Versace famously had his sister, Naomi Crawford, Linda Evangelista etc as muses.

https://www.crfashionbook.com/fashion/g27260119/versace-muses-throughout-history/

Elsa Peretti was Halston's muse:
https://graziamagazine.com/me/articles/who-was-elsa-perretti-everything-you-need-to-know-about-haltsons-muse/

etc.

Having a model as a muse for designing women's clothing though makes perfect sense. The woman's body is part of the design.

But people act as muses for all sorts of art, which is generally what the term is referring to, someone being a muse who inspires someone else's artistic drive, but doesn't necessarily contribute to the art themselves.

[Ladychips]

Can a person be a muse? 

This question made me smile because when I saw the thread title I assumed the poster was referring to looking for a person to inspire creative endeavors.

I had the exact opposite reaction!  From the OP's post, the original muse was a job.  I've been retired less than 4 months so I may not have the insight the OP is looking for.  But for me, I've found the most satisfaction so far on my yoga mat and with my fingers in the dirt in my garden.  Thinking on this thread has made me realize at this stage, my muse is internal, rather than external.  I don't expect that to always be true (although I also don't expect it NOT to be true either).

OP, I hope you report back!!

[By the River]

ETA: though nothing inspires like toxic relationships and brutal emotional pain, that shit is artistic gold

That's why people are waiting on Adele's new album...she went through a divorce; songs are going to be fantastic. 

[Just Joe]

I’m not the type of person to have one muse or throw myself long term into a single obsession or project. That’s partly why professional work was so miserable for me. I got bored very quickly.

I watched the Great British Baking show a few years ago and have been baking my own bread ever since. But I don’t orient my life around bread baking, that’s just something I enjoy for a few minutes a week. I threw myself into gardening this year and filled my yard with berry bushes and fruit trees. But am ready to turn to other projects for the winter. I like letting my time be filled with my current interests and shift from season to season. My muse is fickle and fleeting, and I’m most happy when I let myself be pulled in new directions.

Me too.  My curiosity muscle is strong and I look forward to flexing it.

That. The discovery/learning phase is what I crave. I have many projects. I give them all some attention on a rotating basis until they are complete. Some projects demand efficient completion schedules - say replacing a roof or a door. Others like learning to repair and maintain a 75 year old jukebox I can take my time with.