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Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« on: May 28, 2015, 09:17:22 AM »
Looking for some advice here.  I need to get out of my current employment situation.  It is blatantly obvious to me that it's just a matter of time before either I choose to leave or they kick me to the curb.  I am very unhappy at my job for a variety of reasons--but the biggest reasons are that we have an increasingly large amount of production issues and our customers are leaving.  Management seems to have its head in the sand and since I am in a sales position it's just a matter of time before I'm out.

That said, I kind of fell into my current job via a temp agency and have been promoted into a sales role. I've worked here for 8 years and never had to look for a job.  It seems that it's a lot harder than I thought it would be.  I don't know if I want to stay in my current industry or even sales. 

I've reach out to a local career coach that has a complimentary 1 hour session.  Follow up sessions are $295/hr or you can buy 4 sessions for $265/hr.   Has anyone used a career coach before?  Have they found the investment worth it?  I am willing to spend $1000 to get into a much better situation...I just don't want to throw the money down the drain.  Any advice would be great.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 09:24:28 AM »
Commenting to follow.

I considered Penelope Trunk at one time, but emailed her instead and got some free (and questionable) advice. Yep.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 09:39:03 AM »
Depends on the coach.  When I was laid off, part of the severance included four coaching sessions.  I went even though I knew what I wanted.  She provided resume writing tips, and personality assessments.  Course she thought having my own consulting was not the answer and I should be working for a large business do I can focus on tech work.

I do have a coach now for my business and that has helped a lot more because I know what I want to do. 


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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 09:46:03 AM »
I think this depends heavily on your personality. Career coaches don't really help with finding new jobs, they're used by people who want to do better at the job they have. They act like unlicensed psychiatrists to help you figure out what is really important to you, where you may be self-sabotaging, setting boundaries, and building a structured plan to advance your career. Can you do this for yourself? Nothing they do is particularly secretive or special - most of the steps they follow are available on the Internet with a little poking around.

Also, $300/h is extremely expensive for this kind of service. You should definitely shop around. Does it come with any kind of guarantee? Your university may have a career counseling service available for free. Psychiatrists often have more structured services available for much less.

My advice: when you want to get better at something, you practice. Set a goal for yourself to spend 10 hours a week looking for a new job. Start going on interviews, network with everyone you know, expand your circle. As a salesman, you're accustomed to rejection, and you know the difference between marketing and sales. Your new product is yourself. Start marketing, get a few interviews, sell yourself and practice interviewing with live hiring managers. Get after it!

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2015, 10:30:50 AM »
I'm going to be following this thread as I too, am seeing the writing on the wall that my current position is permanent as I once thought it would be.

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 09:08:52 PM »
I'm 26 years old and have used two career/life coaches in my life so far.

The first time I approached one I was 17 years old and in my last year of high school. I was unsure of what I wanted to study when leaving school and the resources available at the school to help me in this regard where quite limited. My parents had heard great things about a husband/wife business in an adjacent city who specialised in career guidance and coaching for all ages, but with a particular focus on younger people so we did a day trip to see them.

The experience was a few exercises and questioners prior to meeting him and a three hour analysis of who I was as a person, what my skills, interests, values, etc were. We analysed all sorts of things and I felt I understood myself more as a person after doing this initial analysis. We covered what sort of industries I'd consider working in and at the end of the session, we decided on the course of university study I'd do, which was a Bachelor of Applied Science in a joint major Horticulture and Agribusiness. I wanted to get into the business side of farming and exports essentially. I live in New Zealand's largest city and had never been a farmer or anything similar so was essentially a city slicker but enjoyed the concept of outdoors and the creativity and number crunching and analysis of rural business. So that's what I did for the next three years of study.

During my second year of study, I got pretty dis-heartened that this career path might not be what I wanted to do. I heard people say things like "follow your passion and you will never work another day in your life." This sounded like pretty good advice for a 19 year old so I looked a changing my degree to something biomechanics and nutrition related or accounting and property degrees. I love health, outdoors and the in depth scientific jargon of exercise science as I'm quite a keen hiker and cyclist. However, I found out that I couldn't cross credit any papers, so would have to do another three years study and perhaps four if I wanted to do post graduate study. Meaning I'd be at university for 5-6 years and the last two years of study would be a waste of time. I decided the best course of action was to finish my current degree which was only one year longer. I was getting over the ridiculousness of the university system, writing reports and being constantly poor as a university student. I really wanted to get out into the workforce and start making some money.

So all well and good. I finished my third year of university study on the Thursday and the next Monday started my first job in a fruit exporting company with a total staff of four people. I found the small nature of the company and the fact that I did all my work in two hours a bit tiresome, especially over the winter when we weren't exporting any fruit. I lasted in this role for 11 months before I resigned. However, I wanted to leave after around 9 months but it took me a couple of months to find a new role.

I was certain that if I found a role that combined my skills that I studied and my passion of investments, money and finance that I'd be happy. So I found a job as a bank teller at one of New Zealand's largest retail banks. The idea was to start at the bottom and work my way into the rural banking part of the company. What better way to combine my skills? I learned so much about handling money by talking to the banks clients, how they structured businesses, loans, properties, savings, etc. I worked there for around two years but found moving out of the branch into rural or head office roles extremely difficult. I made it to the top 10 candidates for a graduate position in corporate/investments/funds management but didn't get any of the roles. I found working in the bank it was all about sales. Flogging credit cards down peoples throats and setting them up with insurance they didn't need which I found morally wrong. It was never about benefiting the customer, it was always about getting your two sales a day. I just couldn't do it and eventually got so desperate to leave the bank that I took a role in a worldwide shipping company after being at the bank for almost two years.

So the shipping company role was in export documentation. I figured this would be a good opportunity to work in a big company (which I definitely preferred) as opposed to a small export company. Learning the process from a shipping line I figured would be great skills to learn and could open up opportunities to work in freight forwarding, exporting, at airports or shipping ports, etc. I was feeling very positive. However, on my first day, I would say hello to people in the lunchroom and they would just say nothing. My boss was useless and the processes in place were so bad I knew only after a couple of hours in the role I'd made a huge mistake.

That night I searched Google for life/career coaches in my city and found a woman that specialised in it. I made an appointment to see her that weekend. I was so desperate to leave this new role and so confused as to what to do I was willing to pay for a career coach to help give me some guideance. I saw her the following weekend also and went through exercises and we talked and discussed and brainstormed all sorts of ideas. I also went back to see the same career coach that I saw when I was 17 to do the similar exercises to see how my personality and preferences had changed over several years. After three weeks in the shipping company role, I gave my one weeks notice to my employer and got out of there as quick as I could. I didn't even say goodbye to people on my last day as I'd only learned a handful of peoples names by then. As luck would have it my mother who worked for New Zealand's largest retail group knew of the shipping department there looking for a temporary replacement for eight weeks on contract. I figured this was perfect as it allowed me an eight week window to find something permanent and I'd heard from my mother that the company culture was fantastic.

So off I went to my contract role. It was such a huge contrast to by shipping lines company culture and I thrived in it. I saw the career coach once more and things started to become much clearer. After six weeks of my eight week contract I got another six month contract role (maternity leave cover) in the domestic transport side of the business. Once I started working in this role, everything just clicked. This was the industry I wanted to work in! This is what I can see myself doing, applying my skills and the type of personalities and company culture that I'd want to be associated with. This was based at a distribution centre which up until now I had no idea what one was. I loved being able to see the stock coming in on trucks, containers and being stores in huge state of the art warehouses with automatic conveyer systems and going out on trucks to our stores. My role involved ensuring everything arrived on time to the stores, trouble shooting and doing other various tasks. I'd finally found something where I felt I could excel in. After this six month role finished, I was presented an amazing opportunity.

The company created a graduate supply chain role pretty much just for me. It was a two year rotation of the entire supply chain and I spent a 1-3 months in over ten different departments with the company. I had access to people that could mentor me, I went on training courses and I was being primed to move into a management position. I absolutely loved this role. This was the first time when people would ask me "how is work going?" I would say "brilliant, I'm really enjoying it" rather than saying "ok" or "yea, alright".

I've now finished the role and have moved into a supply chain analyst type role which isn't ideally what I'd like, but as soon as a supervisor/manager role comes up where I'm managing a team of 5-15 staff I'll take it.

So in summary. I've spent the past nine years really unsure of what I wanted to do with my career, I plodded along with not much direction and just went to work to pay the bills. However, only in the past 6-12 months have I really had a clear idea of where I want to be. The reason for this is firstly I wasn't afraid to move around constantly to find something worthwhile. I'd hear that it looked bad on your CV to be 26 and have worked seven different jobs. I didn't care, I'd rather try things than be unhappy and wait around. I also found being proactive and using career coaches and their expertise to help me to understand myself better and ask me the tough questions. Using their knowledge of people, careers, industries, etc and steering me in the right direction helped me to almost stumble across what I now thoroughly enjoy doing and can see myself making a career from.

I thoroughly recommend seeing a career coach. However, do your research beforehand on what they offer as they are all different. Some specialise with different industries, age brackets and life stages. I've spent $1000+ on these two coaches in a nine year period, but in terms of life happiness and overall sense of personal satisfaction from a career, it is money well spent in my opinion.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 09:09:27 PM »
Wow!

I actually wrote a lot!

Hope it helps.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2015, 04:46:45 PM »
I used a life coach a few years ago - I work in reasonably high paying, prestige (read: high consumerism) job which didn't really gel with me.   Plus I'd studied and worked for many years to get to that role.  I wanted to quit, but every one told me it was madness to leave a job like that.  The life coach was about separating my identity from the job, working out what was really important to me, and what I wanted to do.  Turns out one of my top values is financial security, so I decided to stick it out for a few more years to tick off that before I quit.  But I now have a clear plan, written down, with goals to tick off.    The life coach probably cost me $600 odd dollars, but was worth very penny.   The value of getting my values down in writing alone was worth the money.   Has made it really easy to leave the consumerism behind even whilst immersed in that world.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015, 07:44:50 PM »
If you get laid off due to no fault of your own (read: don't quit or get fired), you will qualify for services through your state's workforce commision. In addition to receiving your UI check, which you should file for as soon as you separate, you'll get help with resume' writing, career exploration, job leads, and possibly even a full scholarship for job training. It's all funded through a tax on employers, so take advantage of it.

Career coaches typically don't work full time but more on a consulting basis. The Workforce Center staff do it full time and have tons of required training and experience. They get evaluated by how soon you get a new job and by what percentage of your previous salary you're making, so they have a vested interest in seeing that you do well.

Did I mention it's free?

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015, 07:59:43 PM »
I work for a school that offers certificate programs in coaching so I'm a little jaded. It seems like everyone these day wants to become a coach so they take a few courses and then think they're experts and charge a lot of money to tell you what you any honest friend, coworker, or family member would tell you if you asked.

Having said that, I've never tried professional coaching myself. I think a career coach with specialized knowledge of your industry might be useful. Also, I really enjoy Martha Beck's books for general "what am I doing with my life" guidance. Her book, Steering By Starlight" was really good.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 08:54:47 PM »
I work for a university and they provide employees with career coaching.  I went twice.

First time, we talked about the basic stuff. What my qualifications are, what I do, etc. I mentioned I went to the career counselor when I was finishing up undergrad and didn't find it helpful.

Second visit we had to go over all the basic stuff again and she looked at some of the forms she had me fill out. She had absolutely no knowledge of my field or careers in it. Handed me some questionnaires to fill out. Everything on the questionnaires either looked like BS to me or was the kind of thing that I wouldn't have gone to the career counselor if I had known how to answer. I pretty much told her that and said basically that was the reason I didn't go back to the career counselor in undergrad. She shrugged her shoulders and that was that.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2015, 05:45:13 AM »
There also several books out there that recommend making two lists:  the first list is what you enjoy.  The second list is what you are good at.   See where the intersect and find a career that does that.  Once you identify the career, look for people who do it and try to get a position (paid or not) and learn from them.  An apprenticeship.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2015, 06:36:05 AM »
I have never used a personal career coach, but i have used Ramit Sethi's "Dream Job" materials.

I'm skeptical of the career coaching that places a huge emphasis on introspection and personality assessments. It's one thing to understand the way you think and react to things, it's a whole different experience trying to find a job that aligns with your personality.

I think the biggest things you can learn (again, you can do this research on your own, but I recommend starting on Ramit Sethi's site), are

1. How to identify potentially interesting jobs/industries
2. How to find out what these jobs are really like from people who have those jobs or work in the industry (essentially, how to cold-e-mail someone and set up a coffee meeting or phone call). At this point you can usually figure out if the job is a good fit or not purely through your gut feelings.
3. How to interview correctly. There is a correct way to do this. You need to come up with a personal and professional narrative that makes sense for the job you are applying for, and then demonstrate through concrete examples that you can solve their problems, which you learned about in their information interviews. Google "STAR interview technique" for examples.
4. Learn to negotiate.

I think a good career coach will give you concrete ways to do the above, not just have you take personality assessments and think about how you feel about different career options.

If you're interested in learning how I applied these to get my last job, feel free to message me.

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Re: Has anyone used a career coach? Is it worth it?
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2015, 06:57:01 AM »
I have used a career coach/life coach on three different occasions and for different reasons.  I found all three helpful in different ways.

1.  I was winding down my business and was feeling really conflicted between two jobs--just could not decide.  The first was a job-share that I had lined up with a former client (each of us at 60%) in a non-profit.  The second was a full-time job in the financial services.  I kept vacillating, talking it through with my friends and family, making pros and cons lists, etc., with no progress towards a decision.  I went to a career coach, talked at her for 60 minutes (while thinking all the time, "this isn't helpful, I'm just going over stuff I've gone over a million times with friends/family").  When I was done, she said, "This is where I heard passion in your voice."  And everything fell into place, crystal clear.  I felt like I "should" want one job, but I wanted the other, and I just couldn't see that until she said it.

2.  Five years ago, I was feeling frustrated, restless, overwhelmed, but didn't know what to do or where to turn, and I thought it was all about needing to change jobs.  I saw a life coach, and didn't feel like we got very far with the career stuff, but it turned out that's not what I needed to focus on anyway.  She's the one who recognized the potential eating disorder in me and referred me to treatment, and that has been (and continues to be) life changing.

3.  Most recently, I hired a career coach when I transitioned jobs, knowing that I would need some support since it was a big chance (large corporate to small non-profit, different field, different role, etc.).  She was awesome--I just called her if I started to feel a little crazy or doubts crept in and we'd meet--probably about once a month for six months.  She's the one who helped me think through what I really needed to make this job work for me and how to ask for it, and thanks to her, I now work 80% and hired someone to do the fundraising.

I have never paid more than $100-125 an hour for my coaches.

I think they can be really helpful, but mostly in helping you figure out what you really want and how to get it, and also helping you create action plans and feel accountable to them.  They're not generally going to have a ton of job leads (though one of my coaches was well-connected and can do that).  You should connect with recruiters if you're looking for job leads, if your field uses recruiters for your kind of job.  I also think "fit" is really important, so I would interview any prospective coaches.