Author Topic: Going against the grain - psychological impact of being financially 'not normal'  (Read 16266 times)

Jessica J. Babbitt

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You are living a life that is much better than billions of other people in the world. Even for a USA citizen you are in a standard class of social status. You have already mentioned that your step mom has no education. You are much better than her and your father needs to recognize the man in you instead of justifying social value with money.

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It sounds to me like your dad is just "busting your balls."  This would fit the profile of an alpha bigshot lawyer in NYC with expensive tastes.  His comments to you are most likely insensitive; however, attributing malicious intent here is going too far based on what you've written.  Your dad probably thinks so highly of you that he wonders if your wasting your talents--again, it's kind of a rude assumption, but it's not based in hatred.  So the nuclear option (cut off all ties) that some people are hinting at would very extreme and I think short-sighted in the absence of any bad intentions.

And contrary to what some people have stated about American society's expectations about relationships with one's parents, it's ultimately biology that keeps us interested in interacting with our parents.  Adopted children who never met their parents often go through quite a lot of trouble to find their birth parents once they become adults.  Why would they care about the people who literally said "I want nothing to do with this person, someone else can have her?"  It's not American culture, that's for sure. 

Here's what you should do.  Next time he starts getting on you about being cheap, calmly but forcefully state that, while you respect your father's lifestyle choices and are glad for all the advantages it bestowed upon you, you're extremely happy with your life right now, and financially well-off to boot.  End with "if you don't like it, too bad."  High testosterone men respond better to direct confrontation than passive-aggressiveness or silence.  I honestly think he'd be proud of you for growing a set.

Gu, I understand where you're coming from, however if someone is "busting your balls" and it's causing distress, then they either need to cut it out or it DOES come from a place of at least callousness. Yes, everyone does or says something stupid and hurts another person, but what happens next really tells you the intent. If they apologize and don't do it again, then its a very different situation than if they continue that behavior or action, knowing that they're causing distress. There are consequences to behavior and actions, and even bigshot lawyers need to feel those consequences when they're out of line.

Yeah, I agree, one can cross the line with such things.  I just wasn't getting the feeling that the line had been crossed, especially not the "I'm cutting off all contact with my father forever" line.  At a parent's funeral, I think the more common lament is "I wish I spend more time with him," not "thank goodness he's out of my life for good."  Bottom line, we don't know how mean-spirited and persistent OP's Dad's comments really are just based on the post.

As an aside, given OP's description, I wouldn't be surprised if the real instigator here is the stepmom (aka 3rd wife).  Many stepmothers have a downright evil desire to drive a wedge between their husbands and the husband's children.  I speak from experience (my high school friends labelled my stepmom "the succubus") and have seen it happen in other families as well.  Because divorce is such a drastic measure, stepmom can get away with a whole lot of b.s. under dear ol' Dad's watch.  I personally lost some respect for my Dad because of stuff like this.  However, he's still my Dad, he still raised me, worked annoying jobs so we could grow up comfortable, and he hasn't done anything *that* bad.  I still love him, and have learned to laugh off stepmom's foolishness (but I definitely let her have it as fierier, younger man). 


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Is your issue what your family think or how they go about telling you what they think?

It's fair for your step-mother to value holidays more than you, but it's unnecessary and unacceptable for her to call you cheap because you have different values. At most, they get to tell you that once, and then they get to STFU about it for the rest of time.

There are ways to make these discussions very dull for the arguer, basically, don't engage with the actual argument, just reiterate that it isn't up for discussion and that you aren't looking for advice. Captain Awkward blogs about different ways to disengage. Saying over and over "I do what makes me happy, I'm fine if that is different to what makes you happy" could be a start. Don't tell them about your plan, don't defend your plan, you are not obligated to answer every question they ask or respond to every slight.

You say you are struggling with it daily. Are you speaking to your family every day? Cut that right down. If you aren't speaking every day but it is bothering you every day it might be time to speak to a professional.

Sorry that you're dealing with this. If your dad and step-mother know that what they are doing, they no longer deserve to spend time with you. If they don't know, then it might be worth your effort to spend a modicum amount of time trying to train it out of them. 

I cut out some family members who made me feel bad (and unsafe, which is a whole other issue). It was painful for a time, but I'm now far calmer and happier than I was. On the few occasions that we do interact, they are polite and brief. I put up with shit for a lot longer than I should have.

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First of all know this as the old saying goes "Your not alone"! Happiness, success and even the word wealth itself is described by so many in different ways. These people that are judging you you owe nothing and while its instinct to want to be liked be everyone especially your father he for sure has a big ego to fill and has obvious some issues of his own. Sounds to me deep down inside he might be jealous of your life and wishes he could of been more like you. From where I stand based on your opening statement it sounds like you have found your soulmate, your doing the things you want to be doing and your planning a future for yourself. While these people are in your face (we all have family like that I am dreading going to my inlaws for xmas) on the outside dont let them see it bothers you and go about your way. Chances are your not going to change and or are they so its just going to always create these feelings for you unless you can put it in its right full place.  My father who I never lived with always said my brother and I would never be good enough because we grew up with our mom. He got remarried ( I am sure he cheated on my mom) and I was bascially a drive by baby during the divorce, one more time.   Fortunately I had a great Step Dad but he passed 20 years ago and my real dad is still alive. He had two kids that grew up on a silver spoon and my real brother and I grew up in the inner city. We would see him once in awhile but always felt like shit. To this day when I see him we still arent good enough but when I run into is friends (all in late 70's now) and for the last 30 years they would say things about how proud your dad is of you. So dont assume what he is saying about you when your not around or he is back in NYC and or care. Like I said you owe nobody anything. Be who you are and a contributing person to society which it sounds like you are. Very few familys  have all the bliss you see on TV and most have to deal with something. I just limit being around mine and my DW's as much as I can and dont complain to her about her folks , siblings even though it be ok. And when I do need to be around them I just take the high road knowing this to will pass!
It will get easier as you get older that to I can promise you.

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Next time your Dad starts giving you shit, tell him you're working to build up a massive net worth, and currently you're up to 200k.  Then ask him what his net worth was at your age.

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This will sound harsh, because it is.  Sorry in advance.

Some family members are not worth your time and effort.  I cut off caring about my father about 5 years ago and don’t regret it.  My time, sanity, and other family members are worth more to me than anything I can get from him.  In adult years time is precious.  I no longer bother with old friends and family who don’t put in basic efforts to stay in touch and act decently to me and my immediate family.

My father has never met his 5 year old grandson.  Our cards have gone unanswered for about 7 years, and we eventually determined that emails, address, and phone numbers had all changed without a note.  Frankly speaking my kid is better off without that influence anyway.

A week ago he sent my kid a christmas card lamenting lack of contact, the first note from him in almost 10 years.  The tone was such that was reminded why I stopped trying in the first place.

Spend your time with friends and family who make your life more positive and don’t look back.
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Your father is the one who is financially "not normal".

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Is there any way to combine these two identical threads?

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My outlook has changed somewhat after reading The Old Money Book, Byron Tully.
I believe you and your father have different values. I thought the book was about $$$ .
It is about what you value in life. It is a quick read 142 pgs , no pics!
The is a reason your dad cannot/will not accept your life/style and it is his problem. 
There is a picture in his head that he needs to attend to . Good Luck.
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I love my CPA!

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People who are that status conscious have severe insecurity.  And a parent who makes their son feel disrespected is my definition of an unsuccessful person.

You seem to think that being insecure makes you unsuccessful. Are you implying the OP is unsuccessful because they're insecure about being "not normal" to their family?

Not at all.   "And a parent who makes their son feel disrespected is my definition of an unsuccessful person."  I believe ifyou are a parent and do things to make your kid feel disrespected, you are a crappy parent.  And I don't believe you can be an actively crappy parent and a successful person.

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He leaves a wake of destruction...there are so many ruined friendships and he always says it’s the other people’s fault.

First off, I am so sorry you are going through all of this.  Family is incredibly important to me and I too have lost certain family members in one way or another.  It's very painful and the worst feeling in the world is being made to feel like not only are you not good enough, but they already have written you off as never going to be good enough.  If I were in your position, I would just break off communication with him.  It sounds like you still have a family support system through your wife and her family, so you're already better off than a lot of people I've met who have nothing or close to it.

If your biological father is a cancer in your life then you need to treat it as such and cut it out.  Any time it comes back, you operate again and cut it out again for as long as it's a cancer.  It's not you who failed at being a son, it's he who failed at being a husband and father.

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If your family doesn't visit you because of where you live, there is sincerely something wrong with them. Even if your place is uncomfortable for them, are there no hotels around?

They have nice hotels here and it's a cool city IMO (plus I met my wife here, her family is here, and I got married here and have lots of great memories....it would be actually very painful for me to leave because this city is 'in my blood' so to speak).  But it's not manhattan...and anywhere they go that is not manhattan they complain it is too 'culture shock' for them.  They don't get the service that meets their standard. Plus they tell me that there's nothing to do here (not true - I have tried to show them all the museums, walking trails, etc...)

We went on a co-vacation with them last summer to a beach resort. I picked the hotel...they never let me hear the end of it because at the hotel restaurant, they had to wait for a table like everyone else and the maitre'd wouldn't accept a cash bribe to put them first in line.  They told me I picked too unsophisticated of a vacation place. I was so mortified because they made a pretty visible scene and there were lots of other people waiting for tables. When I try and tell them that normal people don't act like this, they think I'm nuts...that where they live everyone pays to bump the line. And it stings when it's coming from the trophy wife, who would have nothing...nothing if my dad hadn't walked out on his last wife. I'm normally very charitable to people in tough situations...I try to empathize. But when she tells me that I'm not living life right it's particularly grating.

This is what I am dealing with but it's my dad - what can I do. I think most sons want to make their dad proud even if they can see the flaws.


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I just have to say this sounds like a total nightmare. Don't go on vacation with these people. What a scene.

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You and your wife sound like my kind of people.  Your dad and his third(!) wife do not.

I think you have found yourself.  Continue to surround yourself with the people you find who like the person you are.

If you care enough, next time you talk to your dad tell him he is welcome to visit you in KC and go hiking and paddling with you but that it's OK if he doesn't want to.

Do you have family other than your dad and stepmother you can connect with?  If not, then your family is you, your wife and your wife's family, and the friends you make, and that will be fine.

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It sounds to me like your dad is just "busting your balls."  This would fit the profile of an alpha bigshot lawyer in NYC with expensive tastes.  His comments to you are most likely insensitive; however, attributing malicious intent here is going too far based on what you've written.  Your dad probably thinks so highly of you that he wonders if your wasting your talents--again, it's kind of a rude assumption, but it's not based in hatred. 

So what? Who cares about intentions? The road to hell is paved with them. Impact on what others is what matters, and if someone is well-intended, and hurts a person anyway, they still need to apologize and amend their behavior. If they're unwilling to do that, then their intentions weren't all that benign.

OP, I highly recommend checking out Captain Awkward. She's received a lot of letters from people dealing with difficult family, and has good scripts for what you can say and do to establish healthy boundaries in whatever way is best for you.

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Here's another link for you:

https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck

In my life, I have given a fuck about many people and many things. I have also not given a fuck about many people and many things. And those fucks I have not given have made all the difference.

People often say the key to confidence and success in life is to simply “not give a fuck.” Indeed, we often refer to the strongest, most admirable people we know in terms of their lack of fucks given. Like “Oh, look at Susie working weekends again, she doesn’t give a fuck.” Or “Did you hear that Tom called the company president an asshole and still got a raise anyway? Holy shit, that dude does not give a fuck.” Or “Jason got up and ended his date with Cindy after 20 minutes. He said he wasn’t going to listen to her bullshit anymore. Man, that guy does not give a fuck.”

Chances are you know somebody in your life who, at one time or another, did not give a fuck and went on to accomplish amazing feats. Perhaps there was a time in your life where you simply did not give a fuck and excelled to some extraordinary heights. I know for myself, quitting my day job in finance after only six weeks and telling my boss that I was going to start selling dating advice online ranks pretty high up there in my own “didn’t give a fuck” hall of fame. Same with deciding to sell most of my possessions and move to South America. Fucks given? None. Just went and did it.

Everybody just wants to be liked and accepted. Except for Tim. Tim doesn't give a fuck.

Now, while not giving a fuck may seem simple on the surface, it’s a whole new bag of burritos under the hood. I don’t even know what that sentence means, but I don’t give a fuck. A bag of burritos sounds awesome, so let’s just go with it.

The point is, most of us struggle throughout our lives by giving too many fucks in situations where fucks do not deserve to be given. We give a fuck about the rude gas station attendant who gave us too many nickels. We give a fuck when a show we liked was canceled on TV. We give a fuck when our coworkers don’t bother asking us about our awesome weekend. We give a fuck when it’s raining and we were supposed to go jogging in the morning.

Fucks given everywhere. Strewn about like seeds in mother-fucking spring time. And for what purpose? For what reason? Convenience? Easy comforts? A pat on the fucking back maybe?

This is the problem, my friend.

Because when we give too many fucks, when we choose to give a fuck about everything, then we feel as though we are perpetually entitled to feel comfortable and happy at all times, that’s when life fucks us.

Indeed, the ability to reserve our fucks for only the most fuckworthy of situations would surely make life a hell of a lot easier. Failure would be less terrifying. Rejection less painful. Unpleasant necessities more pleasant and the unsavory shit sandwiches a little bit more savory. I mean, if we could only give a few less fucks, or a few more consciously-directed fucks, then life would feel pretty fucking easy.

What we don’t realize is that there is a fine art of non-fuck-giving. People aren’t just born not giving a fuck. In fact, we’re born giving way too many fucks. Ever watch a kid cry his eyes out because his hat is the wrong shade of blue? Exactly. Fuck that kid.

Developing the ability to control and manage the fucks you give is the essence of strength and integrity. We must craft and hone our lack of fuckery over the course of years and decades. Like a fine wine, our fucks must age into a fine vintage, only uncorked and given on the most special fucking occasions.

This may sound easy. But it is not. Most of us, most of the time, get sucked in by life’s mean trivialities, steamrolled by its unimportant dramas; we live and die by the sidenotes and distractions and vicissitudes that suck the fucks out of us like Sasha Grey in the middle of a gangbang.

This is no way to live, man. So stop fucking around. Get your fucks together. And here, allow me to fucking show you.

SUBTLETY #1: NOT GIVING A FUCK DOES NOT MEAN BEING INDIFFERENT; IT MEANS BEING COMFORTABLE WITH BEING DIFFERENT
When most people envision giving no fucks whatsoever, they envision a kind of perfect and serene indifference to everything, a calm that weathers all storms.

This is misguided. There’s absolutely nothing admirable or confident about indifference. People who are indifferent are lame and scared. They’re couch potatoes and internet trolls. In fact, indifferent people often attempt to be indifferent because in reality they actually give too many fucks. They are afraid of the world and the repercussions of their own choices. Therefore, they make none. They hide in a grey emotionless pit of their own making, self-absorbed and self-pitied, perpetually distracting themselves from this unfortunate thing demanding their time and energy called life.

My mother was recently screwed out of a large chunk of money by a close friend of hers. Had I been indifferent, I would have shrugged my shoulders, sipped some mocha and downloaded another season of The Wire. Sorry mom.

But instead, I was indignant. I was pissed off. I said, “No, screw that, mom. We’re going to lawyer the fuck up and go after this asshole. Why? Because I don’t give a fuck. I will ruin this guy’s life if I have to.”

This illustrates the first subtlety about not giving a fuck. When we say, “Damn, watch out, Mark Manson just don’t give a fuck,” we don’t mean that Mark Manson doesn’t care about anything; on the contrary, what we mean is that Mark Manson doesn’t care about adversity in the face of his goals, he doesn’t care about pissing some people off to do what he feels is right or important or noble. What we mean is that Mark Manson is the type of guy who would write about himself in third person and use the word ‘fuck’ in an article 127 different times just because he thought it was the right thing to do. He just doesn’t give a fuck.

This is what is so admirable — no, not me, dumbass — the overcoming adversity stuff. The staring failure in the face and shoving your middle finger back at it. The people who don’t give a fuck about adversity or failure or embarrassing themselves or shitting the bed a few times. The people who just laugh and then do it anyway. Because they know it’s right. They know it’s more important than them and their own feelings and their own pride and their own needs. They say “Fuck it,” not to everything in life, but rather they say “Fuck it” to everything unimportant in life. They reserve their fucks for what truly fucking matters. Friends. Family. Purpose. Burritos. And an occasional lawsuit or two. And because of that, because they reserve their fucks for only the big things, the important things, people give a fuck about them in return.

Frank Zappa Quote: I don't give a fuck if they remember me at all.

SUBTLETY #2: TO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ADVERSITY, YOU MUST FIRST GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN ADVERSITY
Eric Hoffer once wrote: “A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people’s business.”

The problem with people who hand out fucks like ice cream at a goddamn summer camp is that they don’t have anything more fuckworthy to dedicate their fucks to.

Think for a second. You’re at a grocery store. And there’s an elderly lady screaming at the cashier, berating him for not accepting her 30-cent coupon. Why does this lady give a fuck? It’s just 30 cents.

Well, I’ll tell you why. That old lady probably doesn’t have anything better to do with her days than to sit at home cutting out coupons all morning. She’s old and lonely. Her kids are dickheads and never visit. She hasn’t had sex in over 30 years. Her pension is on its last legs and she’s probably going to die in a diaper thinking she’s in Candyland. She can’t fart without extreme lower back pain. She can’t even watch TV for more than 15 minutes without falling asleep or forgetting the main plotline.

So she snips coupons. That’s all she’s got. It’s her and her damn coupons. All day, every day. It’s all she can give a fuck about because there is nothing else to give a fuck about. And so when that pimply-faced 17-year-old cashier refuses to accept one of them, when he defends his cash register’s purity the way knights used to defend maidens’ virginities, you can damn well bet granny is going to erupt and verbally hulk smash his fucking face in. Eighty years of fucks will rain down all at once, like a fiery hailstorm of “Back in my day” and “People used to show more respect” stories, boring the world around her to tears in her creaking and wobbly voice.

If you find yourself consistently giving too many fucks about trivial shit that bothers you — your ex-girlfriend’s new Facebook picture, how quickly the batteries die in the TV remote, missing out on yet another 2-for-1 sale on hand sanitizer — chances are you don’t have much going on in your life to give a legitimate fuck about. And that’s your real problem. Not the hand sanitizer.

Way too many fucks given.
Way too many fucks given.
In life, our fucks must be spent on something. There really is no such thing as not giving a fuck. The question is simply how we each choose to allot our fucks. You only get a limited number of fucks to give over your lifetime, so you must spend them with care. As my father used to say, “Fucks don’t grow on trees, Mark.” OK, he never actually said that. But fuck it, pretend like he did. The point is that fucks have to be earned and then invested wisely. Fucks are cultivated like a beautiful fucking garden, where if you fuck shit up and the fucks get fucked, then you’ve fucking fucked your fucks all the fuck up.

SUBTLETY #3: WE ALL HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF FUCKS TO GIVE; PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE AND WHO YOU GIVE THEM TO
When we’re young, we have tons of energy. Everything is new and exciting. And everything seems to matter so much. Therefore, we give tons of fucks. We give a fuck about everything and everyone — about what people are saying about us, about whether that cute boy/girl called us back or not, about whether our socks match or not or what color our birthday balloon is.

As we get older, we gain experience and begin to notice that most of these things have little lasting impact on our lives. Those people’s opinions we cared about so much before have long been removed from our lives. We’ve found the love we need and so those embarrassing romantic rejections cease to mean much anymore. We realize how little people pay attention to the superficial details about us and we focus on doing things more for ourselves rather than for others.

Bunk Moreland, not giving a fuck since 2002.
Bunk Moreland, not giving a fuck since 2002.
Essentially, we become more selective about the fucks we’re willing to give. This is something called ‘maturity.’ It’s nice, you should try it sometime. Maturity is what happens when one learns to only give a fuck about what’s truly fuckworthy. As Bunk Moreland said in The Wire (which, fuck you, I still downloaded it) to his partner Detective McNulty: “That’s what you get for giving a fuck when it wasn’t your turn to give a fuck.”

Then, as we grow older and enter middle age, something else begins to change. Our energy levels drop. Our identities solidify. We know who we are and we no longer have a desire to change what now seems inevitable in our lives.

And in a strange way, this is liberating. We no longer need to give a fuck about everything. Life is just what it is. We accept it, warts and all. We realize that we’re never going to cure cancer or go to the moon or feel Jennifer Aniston’s tits. And that’s OK. Life fucking goes on. We now reserve our ever-dwindling fucks only for the most truly fuckworthy parts of our lives: our families, our best friends, our golf swing. And to our astonishment, this is enough. This simplification actually makes us really fucking happy.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a fuck

Then somehow, one day, much later, we wake up and we’re old. And along with our gum lines and our sex drive, our ability to give a fuck has receded to the point of non-existence. In the twilight of our days, we carry out a paradoxical existence where we no longer have the energy to give a fuck about the big things in life, and instead we must dedicate the few fucks we have left to the simple and mundane yet increasingly difficult aspects of our lives: where to eat lunch, doctors appointments for our creaky joints, 30-cent discounts at the supermarket, and driving without drifting to sleep and killing a parking lot full of orphans. You know, practical concerns.

Then one day, on our deathbed, (hopefully) surrounded by the people we gave the majority of our fucks to throughout our life, and those few who still give a fuck about us, with a silent gasp we will gently let our last fuck go. Through the tears and the gently fading beeps of the heart monitor and the dimming fluorescence encapsulating us in its divine hospital halo, we drift into some unknowable and unfuckable void.

Namaste Fuckface.

This article is an excerpt from my book, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck: A Counterintuitive Guide to Living A Good Life



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I'm so sorry you're going through this.  We're fortunate in that both of our parents are supportive but we have lost nearly all of our friends as we changed our lifestyle.  Its really hurtful to think that something as simple as habit/ mindset change can so drastically affect a relationship. You've already gotten a lot of good advice on this thread.  Just wanting to add support.

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The younger than you step mom sounds like an idiot. I wouldn't let her get to you, at all. For her to call you cheap like that, what a bitch. Potential gold digger? Your dad should be careful..... prenup?

Onwards, I am making a lot of assumptions here:

They probably are aware that you are squirrelling money away and could easily afford it, so they are probably thinking you are working too hard and not enjoying life.

Life to many people is going on holidays/vacation somewhere and spending a month or twos wages.

I wouldn't tell them what you got, but if they understand what you are trying to achieve, they may back off a bit!

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When you're out padding or running a mile, are you losing at life? Hell no, you're doing what you like to do and enjoying it.

Various family members think I'm doing it wrong living my simple life. From what I can figure out though, it mostly stems from their own inadequacies. Your dad sounds like he tries very hard to impress people, it probably bothers him to see you not trying as hard and being okay with yourself. If he's embarrassed your a CPA, what does it matter? Your accomplishments aren't his, why does he need to take credit for your accomplishments anyhow? Its pretty telling when a person is basking in reflected glow from others, its generally a sign they don't feel secure in themselves and need the extra boost.

I remember an Uncle who tried to brag about my cousins to make himself appear better. Far from being impressed with the Uncle, most people were impressed with the children's accomplishments and didn't think twice about him (after all he wasn't the one making the achievements). After a time his children actually started being very impressive, more than himself, this actually started something strange with the father feeling he needed to compete with the children. I bet if you became outwardly more successful than your father, it wouldn't help the situation, in fact it would make him resent you. With some people you can't win until they fix themselves.

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Here's another link for you:

https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck

In my life, I have given a fuck about many people and many things. I have also not given a fuck about many people and many things. And those fucks I have not given have made all the difference.

People often say the key to confidence and success in life is to simply “not give a fuck.” Indeed, we often refer to the strongest, most admirable people we know in terms of their lack of fucks given. Like “Oh, look at Susie working weekends again, she doesn’t give a fuck.” Or “Did you hear that Tom called the company president an asshole and still got a raise anyway? Holy shit, that dude does not give a fuck.” Or “Jason got up and ended his date with Cindy after 20 minutes. He said he wasn’t going to listen to her bullshit anymore. Man, that guy does not give a fuck.”

Chances are you know somebody in your life who, at one time or another, did not give a fuck and went on to accomplish amazing feats. Perhaps there was a time in your life where you simply did not give a fuck and excelled to some extraordinary heights. I know for myself, quitting my day job in finance after only six weeks and telling my boss that I was going to start selling dating advice online ranks pretty high up there in my own “didn’t give a fuck” hall of fame. Same with deciding to sell most of my possessions and move to South America. Fucks given? None. Just went and did it.

Everybody just wants to be liked and accepted. Except for Tim. Tim doesn't give a fuck.

Now, while not giving a fuck may seem simple on the surface, it’s a whole new bag of burritos under the hood. I don’t even know what that sentence means, but I don’t give a fuck. A bag of burritos sounds awesome, so let’s just go with it.

The point is, most of us struggle throughout our lives by giving too many fucks in situations where fucks do not deserve to be given. We give a fuck about the rude gas station attendant who gave us too many nickels. We give a fuck when a show we liked was canceled on TV. We give a fuck when our coworkers don’t bother asking us about our awesome weekend. We give a fuck when it’s raining and we were supposed to go jogging in the morning.

Fucks given everywhere. Strewn about like seeds in mother-fucking spring time. And for what purpose? For what reason? Convenience? Easy comforts? A pat on the fucking back maybe?

This is the problem, my friend.

Because when we give too many fucks, when we choose to give a fuck about everything, then we feel as though we are perpetually entitled to feel comfortable and happy at all times, that’s when life fucks us.

Indeed, the ability to reserve our fucks for only the most fuckworthy of situations would surely make life a hell of a lot easier. Failure would be less terrifying. Rejection less painful. Unpleasant necessities more pleasant and the unsavory shit sandwiches a little bit more savory. I mean, if we could only give a few less fucks, or a few more consciously-directed fucks, then life would feel pretty fucking easy.

What we don’t realize is that there is a fine art of non-fuck-giving. People aren’t just born not giving a fuck. In fact, we’re born giving way too many fucks. Ever watch a kid cry his eyes out because his hat is the wrong shade of blue? Exactly. Fuck that kid.

Developing the ability to control and manage the fucks you give is the essence of strength and integrity. We must craft and hone our lack of fuckery over the course of years and decades. Like a fine wine, our fucks must age into a fine vintage, only uncorked and given on the most special fucking occasions.

This may sound easy. But it is not. Most of us, most of the time, get sucked in by life’s mean trivialities, steamrolled by its unimportant dramas; we live and die by the sidenotes and distractions and vicissitudes that suck the fucks out of us like Sasha Grey in the middle of a gangbang.

This is no way to live, man. So stop fucking around. Get your fucks together. And here, allow me to fucking show you.

SUBTLETY #1: NOT GIVING A FUCK DOES NOT MEAN BEING INDIFFERENT; IT MEANS BEING COMFORTABLE WITH BEING DIFFERENT
When most people envision giving no fucks whatsoever, they envision a kind of perfect and serene indifference to everything, a calm that weathers all storms.

This is misguided. There’s absolutely nothing admirable or confident about indifference. People who are indifferent are lame and scared. They’re couch potatoes and internet trolls. In fact, indifferent people often attempt to be indifferent because in reality they actually give too many fucks. They are afraid of the world and the repercussions of their own choices. Therefore, they make none. They hide in a grey emotionless pit of their own making, self-absorbed and self-pitied, perpetually distracting themselves from this unfortunate thing demanding their time and energy called life.

My mother was recently screwed out of a large chunk of money by a close friend of hers. Had I been indifferent, I would have shrugged my shoulders, sipped some mocha and downloaded another season of The Wire. Sorry mom.

But instead, I was indignant. I was pissed off. I said, “No, screw that, mom. We’re going to lawyer the fuck up and go after this asshole. Why? Because I don’t give a fuck. I will ruin this guy’s life if I have to.”

This illustrates the first subtlety about not giving a fuck. When we say, “Damn, watch out, Mark Manson just don’t give a fuck,” we don’t mean that Mark Manson doesn’t care about anything; on the contrary, what we mean is that Mark Manson doesn’t care about adversity in the face of his goals, he doesn’t care about pissing some people off to do what he feels is right or important or noble. What we mean is that Mark Manson is the type of guy who would write about himself in third person and use the word ‘fuck’ in an article 127 different times just because he thought it was the right thing to do. He just doesn’t give a fuck.

This is what is so admirable — no, not me, dumbass — the overcoming adversity stuff. The staring failure in the face and shoving your middle finger back at it. The people who don’t give a fuck about adversity or failure or embarrassing themselves or shitting the bed a few times. The people who just laugh and then do it anyway. Because they know it’s right. They know it’s more important than them and their own feelings and their own pride and their own needs. They say “Fuck it,” not to everything in life, but rather they say “Fuck it” to everything unimportant in life. They reserve their fucks for what truly fucking matters. Friends. Family. Purpose. Burritos. And an occasional lawsuit or two. And because of that, because they reserve their fucks for only the big things, the important things, people give a fuck about them in return.

Frank Zappa Quote: I don't give a fuck if they remember me at all.

SUBTLETY #2: TO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ADVERSITY, YOU MUST FIRST GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN ADVERSITY
Eric Hoffer once wrote: “A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people’s business.”

The problem with people who hand out fucks like ice cream at a goddamn summer camp is that they don’t have anything more fuckworthy to dedicate their fucks to.

Think for a second. You’re at a grocery store. And there’s an elderly lady screaming at the cashier, berating him for not accepting her 30-cent coupon. Why does this lady give a fuck? It’s just 30 cents.

Well, I’ll tell you why. That old lady probably doesn’t have anything better to do with her days than to sit at home cutting out coupons all morning. She’s old and lonely. Her kids are dickheads and never visit. She hasn’t had sex in over 30 years. Her pension is on its last legs and she’s probably going to die in a diaper thinking she’s in Candyland. She can’t fart without extreme lower back pain. She can’t even watch TV for more than 15 minutes without falling asleep or forgetting the main plotline.

So she snips coupons. That’s all she’s got. It’s her and her damn coupons. All day, every day. It’s all she can give a fuck about because there is nothing else to give a fuck about. And so when that pimply-faced 17-year-old cashier refuses to accept one of them, when he defends his cash register’s purity the way knights used to defend maidens’ virginities, you can damn well bet granny is going to erupt and verbally hulk smash his fucking face in. Eighty years of fucks will rain down all at once, like a fiery hailstorm of “Back in my day” and “People used to show more respect” stories, boring the world around her to tears in her creaking and wobbly voice.

If you find yourself consistently giving too many fucks about trivial shit that bothers you — your ex-girlfriend’s new Facebook picture, how quickly the batteries die in the TV remote, missing out on yet another 2-for-1 sale on hand sanitizer — chances are you don’t have much going on in your life to give a legitimate fuck about. And that’s your real problem. Not the hand sanitizer.

Way too many fucks given.
Way too many fucks given.
In life, our fucks must be spent on something. There really is no such thing as not giving a fuck. The question is simply how we each choose to allot our fucks. You only get a limited number of fucks to give over your lifetime, so you must spend them with care. As my father used to say, “Fucks don’t grow on trees, Mark.” OK, he never actually said that. But fuck it, pretend like he did. The point is that fucks have to be earned and then invested wisely. Fucks are cultivated like a beautiful fucking garden, where if you fuck shit up and the fucks get fucked, then you’ve fucking fucked your fucks all the fuck up.

SUBTLETY #3: WE ALL HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF FUCKS TO GIVE; PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE AND WHO YOU GIVE THEM TO
When we’re young, we have tons of energy. Everything is new and exciting. And everything seems to matter so much. Therefore, we give tons of fucks. We give a fuck about everything and everyone — about what people are saying about us, about whether that cute boy/girl called us back or not, about whether our socks match or not or what color our birthday balloon is.

As we get older, we gain experience and begin to notice that most of these things have little lasting impact on our lives. Those people’s opinions we cared about so much before have long been removed from our lives. We’ve found the love we need and so those embarrassing romantic rejections cease to mean much anymore. We realize how little people pay attention to the superficial details about us and we focus on doing things more for ourselves rather than for others.

Bunk Moreland, not giving a fuck since 2002.
Bunk Moreland, not giving a fuck since 2002.
Essentially, we become more selective about the fucks we’re willing to give. This is something called ‘maturity.’ It’s nice, you should try it sometime. Maturity is what happens when one learns to only give a fuck about what’s truly fuckworthy. As Bunk Moreland said in The Wire (which, fuck you, I still downloaded it) to his partner Detective McNulty: “That’s what you get for giving a fuck when it wasn’t your turn to give a fuck.”

Then, as we grow older and enter middle age, something else begins to change. Our energy levels drop. Our identities solidify. We know who we are and we no longer have a desire to change what now seems inevitable in our lives.

And in a strange way, this is liberating. We no longer need to give a fuck about everything. Life is just what it is. We accept it, warts and all. We realize that we’re never going to cure cancer or go to the moon or feel Jennifer Aniston’s tits. And that’s OK. Life fucking goes on. We now reserve our ever-dwindling fucks only for the most truly fuckworthy parts of our lives: our families, our best friends, our golf swing. And to our astonishment, this is enough. This simplification actually makes us really fucking happy.

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a fuck

Then somehow, one day, much later, we wake up and we’re old. And along with our gum lines and our sex drive, our ability to give a fuck has receded to the point of non-existence. In the twilight of our days, we carry out a paradoxical existence where we no longer have the energy to give a fuck about the big things in life, and instead we must dedicate the few fucks we have left to the simple and mundane yet increasingly difficult aspects of our lives: where to eat lunch, doctors appointments for our creaky joints, 30-cent discounts at the supermarket, and driving without drifting to sleep and killing a parking lot full of orphans. You know, practical concerns.

Then one day, on our deathbed, (hopefully) surrounded by the people we gave the majority of our fucks to throughout our life, and those few who still give a fuck about us, with a silent gasp we will gently let our last fuck go. Through the tears and the gently fading beeps of the heart monitor and the dimming fluorescence encapsulating us in its divine hospital halo, we drift into some unknowable and unfuckable void.

Namaste Fuckface.

This article is an excerpt from my book, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck: A Counterintuitive Guide to Living A Good Life

I borrowed the audio book from the library recently... I haven't listened to it yet, but it sounds entertaining.

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Its good at the start, then gets a bit boring.

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Some of the comments in here are good reminders of why I always come back here, some of you are pretty amazing.

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And who knows - maybe the old man will come around eventually when he gets tired of his own little universe and realizes his fancy wife isn't as interesting as she once was with her witch's kit of charms.

DW and I took a less path traveled from both our families. Her family adapted (we keep our non-Fox politics and non-GOP approved religion and other dastardly ideas to ourself), mine poked at me more for a long time thinking we were doing it all wrong.

In time they realized that our slower, quiet comfortable life not in a major city was also more profitable and stable than those of our peers who were doing a boom/bust cycle as marriages and careers crumbled and rebooted.

We got alot more credit as time went on.

Try not to dwell on this stuff. It can make you crazy until your "don't care" cycle restarts. When I was younger I could have a really rough day if I was busy doing repetitive tasks that allowed my brain to chew on topics like our family dysfunction. Fortunately DW was there to help at the end of the day to unravel the mental knot.

Maybe age will help you, maybe age will help your father.

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I'd say you have three basic options here as regards your Dad:
- respect his wishes and try to live the way he wants you to;
- argue with him;
- laugh at him.
Option 3 would be my favourite, particularly as he does seem to be presenting a wonderful target.  Make it clear that you find his ridiculous behaviour and attitudes an absolute hoot and would never even consider for a moment being influenced by anyone that dumb.

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Ugg, sorry you are having to deal with this.  I have to admit, I have little patience for people pulling that kind of stuff on me, especially if I have already told them to lay off. If they have been warned and still try to pull something, cut the connection. Email addresses get marked as junk(or if you use outlook you can set up a rule to automatically delete it or return it to sender). PH #'s can be blocked. If they can learn to be respectful and talk to me like an intelligent adult, communication can be restored.

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Here's another link for you:

https://markmanson.net/not-giving-a-fuck
Everybody just wants to be liked and accepted. Except for Tim. Tim doesn't give a fuck.

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My stepmother... has no education or prospects and just a trophy wife who happened to marrry a wealthy guy.

Tell her that when she says you're a loser.

The only advice I can give, and I say this knowing they are your family, fuck them. If you're happy with your life, that's all you need. Don't worry about them.

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He leaves a wake of destruction...there are so many ruined friendships and he always says it’s the other people’s fault.
So, fess up. Are you Don Jr or Eric?

Ha!!!!  I thought it was Eric! LOL!

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He leaves a wake of destruction...there are so many ruined friendships and he always says it’s the other people’s fault.
So, fess up. Are you Don Jr or Eric?

Ha!!!!  I thought it was Eric! LOL!

You know, it's not the first time he's been compared to that man...and not by me...by others.

Also, he does complain about his own life....too....always talks about how much more rich he would have been if he had gotten into NYC real estate decades ago (gee, no shit...). And his wife is obsessed with Melania's fashion choices. They have a strong 'you're either winning or worthless" mentality. They are also talking big about some million dollar real estate that they are gonna buy (which never actually comes to pass....).

I remember when I passed my CPA exams after a year and a half of studying while working full time....his response was "well, you don't want to be just an accountant....that's a dime a dozen."  I was fucking crushed.

Fwiw sorry about the double thread I must have clicked post twice on my phone. Humblest apologies.



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When I was young my parents did not care where we lived and they always came to visit. When they got old and travel was hard we went to see them. I now travel to see my kids and sometimes they come here. 2 of my kids live in Wichita, KS which is not a exciting place to visit but I go to see them. That is what is important. I actually love KC and it has a lot of fun stuff to do. I would try to have a talk with your Dad privately to see if you can work this out and have a better relationship. I never interfere in my kids lives. They are adults and can choose how to live.  I don't give advice unless they ask for it. I am also a step-mom and encourage the relationship between my spouse and his kids.  I enjoy his kids and invite them over. Life is too short for this kind of crap.  I really hope you can have a frank discussion with your Dad and get through to him.  If he doesn't change it will be his loss.

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He leaves a wake of destruction...there are so many ruined friendships and he always says it’s the other people’s fault.
So, fess up. Are you Don Jr or Eric?

Ha!!!!  I thought it was Eric! LOL!

You know, it's not the first time he's been compared to that man...and not by me...by others.

Also, he does complain about his own life....too....always talks about how much more rich he would have been if he had gotten into NYC real estate decades ago (gee, no shit...). And his wife is obsessed with Melania's fashion choices. They have a strong 'you're either winning or worthless" mentality. They are also talking big about some million dollar real estate that they are gonna buy (which never actually comes to pass....).

I remember when I passed my CPA exams after a year and a half of studying while working full time....his response was "well, you don't want to be just an accountant....that's a dime a dozen."  I was fucking crushed.

Fwiw sorry about the double thread I must have clicked post twice on my phone. Humblest apologies.



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My family is a little bit different but they definitely find my life choices annoying. They don't appreciate my frugal lifestyle and often comment on how I "have to live too". The bottom line is that I am living the life I desire. For many years I struggled and wanted to be "normal". In my early thirties I just had a paradigm shift and I simply enjoy being who I am and actually have a lot of fun with the criticism. In my opinion it is either from people who do not understand, are actually jealous, perhaps interested, or just asshats. It really doesn't matter as you can only control your own ideas and choices in your life.

If you are struggling I would recommend reading some of the big three stoic texts. I personally love Meditations by marcus aurelius. Stoicism can really help you to focus on what you can control and what you cannot and you can use this to fuel the life you want to live. It helps you to give a fuck where fucks are needed and stop giving a fuck where it is not.

From my perspective I would stop giving a rats ass what your dad thinks and just have fun with their behavior. Try to see the good if there is anything. If there really isn't anything you like, just move on and get on with making your own life.

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Holidays are hard. Next year, maybe make it a point to do a few extra nice things for yourself during this time, make a few therapy appointments for this time of year, write in a private journal or private blog, or set aside time to talk to your wife or a close friend about how you are feeling.

I don't believe in advice like "don't let it bother you." That's ridiculous. If you could do that, you would, right? Your feelings are not a switch you can turn on and off at will. And even if you try, they will crop back up again in ugly ways.

Your Hallmark movie moment is never coming. There's probably not even going to be a tearful deathbed moment. Acceptance and peace comes gradually, growing a little stronger each year. Try different mantras, like: "This cycle of abuse stops with me" and "Living well/sanely/peacefully is the best revenge" and "I am not my family."

I have been estranged from my family for 13 years now. This is especially tough since I am on my own - no extended family except a half-brother who is ambivalent towards me, no spouse, no kids, etc. but I find myself more at peace with it each year.

I am really glad you found a wife that seems to match your interests so well - I feel sorry of your father, who needs a young and sexy "yes" woman who probably can't understand 90% of his cultural references, probably has to close her eyes to have sex with him, and constantly lives in fear of greeting replaced with an even younger, hotter, stupider model. That's not a marriage - that's paying for a full-time, live-in personal assistant masquerading as a spouse.

You are rich in so many ways that your father is not.

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I remember when I passed my CPA exams after a year and a half of studying while working full time....his response was "well, you don't want to be just an accountant....that's a dime a dozen."  I was fucking crushed.

You don’t have to pass a a test or get a credential to have a kid. Almost anyone can do it. So not everyone is a good parent. Some are much better than others. And yet kids seem to have this endless need for their parents approval. If instead of striving for his approval you worked towards not needing his approval, you could be free of all this emotional baggage. It’s not easy, but based on what you’ve done so far to go your own way despite your father’s opinion, I think you are very capable of your ability to free yourself. Let go and be free!

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Man, I feel for you.

I have a really good Dad. He's a blue collar guy from a family of 13 who managed to hustle his way into the white collar world when he had his 4th, me. He went from liquor store delivery to wine sales to cold calling his way into becoming a financial adviser.

When we were younger he was a slightly more stressed and stern, but for many years now he has been nothing but a humourous and thoughtful man who always shows his care and interest in us - from the VP investment banker to the teacher to the low level corporate analyst (me).

I guess it's easy for me to take for granted how lucky I was to grow up in such an encouraging and accepting environment.

No advice, plenty of good advice here already. Just sympathizing with your situation and trying to be more grateful for the good people in my own life.




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I think it's your father's/family's views that are not normal TBH. I don't get out much (living/seeing other parts of the country), but it seems like most people I've come across, are impressed with and look up to mustachianesque lifestyles, even if they themselves do not practice it. I've personally had nothing but positive feedback about my "methods", so that sucks that you're experiencing such backlash, and from your own family at that.

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I remember when I passed my CPA exams after a year and a half of studying while working full time....his response was "well, you don't want to be just an accountant....that's a dime a dozen."

First of all, not true. Actual CPAs are not that common, and it's one of the most versatile qualifications out there - CPAs are hired everywhere, in tons of industries, so that if there's a recession in one, it's much easier to change over to another. You can move to another area of the country and have an easier time finding a job than other professions. It's an awesome skill set to have, and this engineer admires that a lot.

Second, it is SO not OK that your dad said that to you. That's just completely unacceptable, please know that you did not deserve that at all.

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When I was a kid, whenever my cousins came over, my dad always put me down to make himself look big.

I thought maybe it was just me being overly sensitive until my cousins started apologizing to me for his behavior.  They were embarrassed for me.

I just learned to put up with it and ignore it.   It stopped hurting when I realized the problem was in his head and not in me.

Make a conscious decision that you will not treat your family or friends the same way; that you won't pass on his form of abuse to your children.   

And call them on their bad behavior.  Hard.  Blunt.   It's a mistake to wish people who can't take a hint would take a hint.  If they could, they would.   Be so blunt that being hit upside the head with a 2x4 will seem mild.   Don't be profane.  Just blunt.

To trophy wife:

"I will not allow you to speak to my wife in that manner.  You will be polite and gracious or we will not associate with you any longer."

To dad:

"It is your turn to visit us.  We expect to see you in our home next year, and without snide comments about our house, neighbors, city, or state.  Or any other topic.  You will be brimming with Christmas love and cheer or do not bother to come.  That, or we won't see you next year.   Your choice."

It isn't fun.  But it is necessary.



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Here's a good example of someone who cut ties with a parent for a legitimate reason.  http://judgybitch.com/2015/06/21/repost-for-fathers-day-first-i-feared-him-then-i-loathed-him-then-i-forgave-him-and-now-i-take-care-of-him-the-story-of-my-father-and-me/

"My dad wants me to go on expensive vacations with him" is not a legitimate reason to cut ties with your father.

Again, I'd just put it to the OP like this: how many people have you heard say "my dad just died, I'm so thankful I saw him so infrequently in the years leading up to his death." Most people say the opposite. There must be a reason.

"Get rid of anyone who doesn't unflinchingly support everything you do with awestruck reverence" is terrible advice, but apparently it's par for the petulant course here.

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Well, I decided not to cut ties with my mother, was affable and non-committal, and spent holidays with her every year. When she died, was I glad that I had ruined every holiday season of my life? No, I was not.

I feel now that it might have been kinder to give her an ultimatum, to give her at least the chance of retrieving the relationship. As it is, I do not remember her fondly and she'll never have a chance to understand or repair that.

I frankly doubt she would ever have understood it or repaired it: but was it really right of me to be a supposedly good son and never give her even a chance to? I don't know. I'll wonder about it till I go to my own grave.

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Again, I'd just put it to the OP like this: how many people have you heard say "my dad just died, I'm so thankful I saw him so infrequently in the years leading up to his death." Most people say the opposite. There must be a reason.

Yes, and the reason is that the people who feel that way generally won't speak up about it in public, because it just makes things awkward, and you never know when someone in your audience is of the "but faaaaamily should be forgiven anything" persuasion.

It's like when someone asked me last week how my parents reacted when I told them I was moving to the Middle East.  I deflected and just talked about how my sister reacted, because I never actually did tell my parents - I haven't spoken to them in years - and I did not want to dive into that stuff with this person who was only trying to make small talk.

So yeah, when my father dies, if I were going to be truthful and open about my feelings, I'm pretty sure I'd be telling people "I wish he was someone I could regret not spending time with, but I don't regret it one bit"...but I won't say that to most people, because I don't want to have that conversation.  I'll keep it vague and let them make their own assumptions.

Tl;dr:  just because people don't usually TALK about family estrangement doesn't mean they a) regret making those choices, or b) that they were wrong to do so.

"Get rid of anyone who doesn't unflinchingly support everything you do with awestruck reverence" is terrible advice, but apparently it's par for the petulant course here.

That's a misrepresentation of what people are saying.  It's more like "you're allowed to get rid of people who are toxic presences in your life, even if Society thinks you shouldn't."  And "sharing genes with someone doesn't give them a get-out-of-jail-free card to treat you badly and assume you can't morally ever cut them out of your life.  People don't get to hold you hostage like that."

Only the OP can decide if his father is enough of a toxic presence in his life to merit the nuclear option.  But I think it's worthwhile to note that that decision is an available option, and is a reasonable choice for many people to make.  Not a "petulant" one.  Typically a decision to cut your parents out of your life is taken very seriously, and only comes after a lot of pain and soul-searching.  I don't think anyone has the right to judge someone else for making that choice.

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Again, I'd just put it to the OP like this: how many people have you heard say "my dad just died, I'm so thankful I saw him so infrequently in the years leading up to his death." Most people say the opposite. There must be a reason.
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I have known of funerals for family members where the children and extended family sang "Ding dong, the witch is dead, the wicked witch is dead" under their breath so let's just say you have not been paying attention if you don't know anyone who is quite happy with their estrangement. Is it hard for people to be estranged, do they feel like they are a bad person because they were born with someone so toxic in their life that cutting out or reducing contact was the only way to be happy? Sure. But that doesn't mean it isn't the right choice.

If you had read OP's posts a little more thoroughly you would realize that their father is belittling them and treating them like garbage every time they meet or talk. That's not, just spend a little more on vacation, that's your father is telling you are worthless unless you live like he does.


And OP, even if you did live like your father, he would probably find something else to complain about. He puts you down to lift himself up. He would always need that punching bag so please don't feel like this is your fault because your lifestyle doesn't match his.

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I remember when I passed my CPA exams after a year and a half of studying while working full time....his response was "well, you don't want to be just an accountant....that's a dime a dozen."

First of all, not true. Actual CPAs are not that common, and it's one of the most versatile qualifications out there - CPAs are hired everywhere, in tons of industries, so that if there's a recession in one, it's much easier to change over to another. You can move to another area of the country and have an easier time finding a job than other professions. It's an awesome skill set to have, and this engineer admires that a lot.

Second, it is SO not OK that your dad said that to you. That's just completely unacceptable, please know that you did not deserve that at all.

Seconded. I'm a CPA. There really aren't all that many of us, and it's not an easy license to get. Just having those 3 little letters after my name is a 15-20% pay bump over if I didn't. Your father is remarkably ignorant if he discounts a CPA license.

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"My dad wants me to go on expensive vacations with him" is not a legitimate reason to cut ties with your father.


You don't have a problem with relatives telling you how to spend $20-30K of your money a year on activities you don't enjoy or want to do? 




"Get rid of anyone who doesn't unflinchingly support everything you do with awestruck reverence" is terrible advice, but apparently it's par for the petulant course here.

Except that's not what people are saying. Not letting someone treat you like a doormat and requiring they at least be civil and not actively belittle all your life choices just because it's not something they would choose is being petulant?





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Here's a good example of someone who cut ties with a parent for a legitimate reason.  http://judgybitch.com/2015/06/21/repost-for-fathers-day-first-i-feared-him-then-i-loathed-him-then-i-forgave-him-and-now-i-take-care-of-him-the-story-of-my-father-and-me/

"My dad wants me to go on expensive vacations with him" is not a legitimate reason to cut ties with your father.

Again, I'd just put it to the OP like this: how many people have you heard say "my dad just died, I'm so thankful I saw him so infrequently in the years leading up to his death." Most people say the opposite. There must be a reason.

"Get rid of anyone who doesn't unflinchingly support everything you do with awestruck reverence" is terrible advice, but apparently it's par for the petulant course here.

Well, I don't know that I have met many people that are actively thankful that they had less contact with certain relatives, but I've met many that found contact with certain relatives more stressful and unpleasant than not and tried to avoid said contact when possible.  You cannot choose your family, as the saying goes. 

 

Wow, a phone plan for fifteen bucks!