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Has anyone thought about what happens if you pass away and your spouse remarries? All of your hard-earned money might go towards funding a new partner's lifestyle. And it might be a much better one that you had ever enjoyed. This advice column submission made me wonder.

Source: https://slate.com/business/2021/10/children-inheritance-grandma-bigger-jealous-money-advice.html

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I am a widower after a 22-year marriage with two kids, currently in college. For the bulk of our marriage, I was the sole provider. This was a joint decision: My late wife stayed home to take care of the home and kids and allowed me to focus on a really demanding but lucrative career that would not have been possible had she been working too. We also made many sacrifices together when we were starting out. She supported me while I got my engineering degree, and we never bought new cars or nice furniture or took vacations. We lived a responsible life, maxed retirement from the start, and now I am reaping the rewards. I have a fully funded retirement, and I can now take vacations and enjoy life. My late wife, however, is not here to enjoy it with me.

I am lucky enough to have met a wonderful woman. We’re not married yet but headed in that direction, but she is not in the same financial position as me. She does not have any debt, she makes a good living, but she doesn’t have any real retirement savings. Through her earlier life, she has always worked hard but also took vacations, had material things, etc. She didn’t live irresponsibly—she just didn’t prioritize retirement over those things like I did, so now there is a significant difference in our net worths.

My dilemma is how we move forward as a couple into retirement. For me, I want to enjoy things my partner has already done. If I expect her to pay 50 percent, we cannot do all the things I can afford. If I pay 100 percent, then my kids will miss out on part of their inheritance, and I do feel their mother’s share should be theirs. I can’t say what that is, but I do know that I didn’t get where I am or save what I have by myself. She had to forgo the material things and vacations so we could have a nice retirement, and now she can’t enjoy it. I also believe my kids gave up a lot for me to have what I have. I was always working and missed many of their activities. I have huge regrets about that and make all I can of our time now. I don’t mind if my partner comes on these vacations, but I stop short of paying for her adult children to come. This makes me wonder if I am selfish about this. It sometimes makes me feel cheap, since I have more. Thanks for any advice and a perspective on how I get around my emotions surrounding all of this.

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 01:19:28 PM »
For this person’s case, I think keeping split finances is logical. I don’t view inheritance as “deserved” though. I think a person’s money is theirs and theirs alone and inheritance is just what happens to anything that happens to be left over when their life draws to a close.


For me, whatever my partner (single or coupled) does after I’ve shuffled off the mortal coil, that’s up to them. I certainly don’t want them to ever think of my dead ass as a barrier to living their remaining years to whatever happiness they can reasonably achieve.

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 01:28:14 PM »
My father was executor of the will for a close family friend who was a widower who remarried.  There was a financial imbalance in that his assets greatly outweighed hers, basically she brought no assets into the marriage.  They were retirement age when they married, so she didn’t contribute at all to the creation of his wealth. 

The way things were set up was that she would be taken care of after he predeceased her, until either the end of her life, or she remarried,  She could stay in their shared home for as long as she wanted unless she remarried.  She outlived him and had a good life for the remaining of her years, but once she passed, the house and all remaining assets were passed onto his kids.  Her adult children didn’t seem to know that so they were a bit shocked.

ETA, he wasn’t stingy with her when he was alive, he paid her way for all the trips etc, unlike the OP of the column question.  The entire point of remarrying is to enjoy your twilight years, it isn’t like the children inherited less than they would have if their mother had lived.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 02:10:10 PM »
Why the hell would I care?  I'm dead, and you can't take it with you.

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 02:23:29 PM »
Interesting question that I see play out in my professional life a lot.

In Australia many government benefits and programs (age pension, aged care services) look at a couple’s combined assets, regardless of whether they choose to combine finances. So maintaining totally seperate finances as you age isn’t realistic or fair unless you are both FI (or both have nothing!)

My husband is much older, so it’s probable that I will be the surviving spouse. I’m not a fan of large inheritances or ‘inheritance expectation’ in adult children, but I can understand wanting to make some preferential contribution to my own child vs. adult children of a new partner who I may not know that well. I guess that will be the time for a heart to heart with my child and a consultation with an estate planning lawyer, but I’m not going to borrow trouble by worrying about it now. Every situation is different.

(Oh and if I happened to die first, I trust my partner to do the right thing by our child and otherwise happy for him to spend our money however he wants.)
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 02:33:25 PM »
There are a few family things the kids and grandkids will get.  Jewelry, guns, heirlooms,  after that I could see taking care of the new wife, the kids could split what’s left. 

And that would mean after the new wife and I lived as I would have with the current wife.  I’m not sure how I would take care of her kids.  It would probably depend on how we got along and how long wife #2 and I were together.

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 02:52:35 PM »
This is exactly why I put into my pre-nup a clause that if I should die first, my wife must be buried along with me in my coffin.

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2021, 02:56:08 PM »
My dad found a new partner several years after my mother died.  They had a cohabitation agreement that spelled out who contributed what to expenses, and what happened when either one of them died.  Since both had children from previous marriages, they were sharing expenses while they were together, but the estates went to their respective children.  This was above and beyond their wills.   My Dad died first, this was very helpful since expectations were clear and there were no issues with settling his estate.

A similar situation can arise with divorce.  I don't know what other jurisdictions do, but in my province an agreement as to heirs in the financial agreement over-rides a will.  For example, we agreed that both my Ex and I have to leave a minimum of 1/2 our estate to our DD.  The other half is ours to do with as we like.   Neither of us can leave more than 1/2 to other beneficiaries or the will is contestable/invalid.

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2021, 03:04:52 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2021, 03:05:55 PM »
Wow, I feel for this guy that wrote in for the advice.  It sounds like he's still in some real pain and I appreciate his thoughtfulness about it at least.  While I (as the dead wife) wouldn't be around to care, I'm more putting myself in his shoes.  He's the one that has to do what he can live with and what he thinks honors his late wife and her hard work appropriately.  Not for her since she's gone, but for himself and as a role model for the kids.  So they can feel good about it and about themselves.

I think he should put money in a trust for his kids now.  I also don't think kids are entitled to anything when their parents die, but if he believes they are, because of what he wasn't there for and what they deserve due to their mother, then he should make sure they get that!  And there's no better way than making those legal arrangements now so that there's no question about "their" money being used to pay for the new SO's adult children to go on vacation and such.

I think the question of him paying for some parts of, e.g., fancy vacations for new SO that she wouldn't be able to afford but that he would like her to join him on for his own benefit....he might have to come to some compromise.  And I bet he will feel differently about this over time.  I don't know, but from the sounds of his message, this still feels a little new and raw.  Maybe in 15 years (whether with same SO or not) he will have his own system/breakdown that he feels really comfortable with.  I know I would want my husband to enjoy life and pay for the people he loves to be with him, if I was gone.  But when you are actually in that position and the loss is still recent, I can imagine that feeling much more like a betrayal than it will once he gets some distance.

I do appreciate this post, though.  I have only thought about this in the sense of me being the longer-lived spouse (which is statistically more likely) and how I will probably not do *exactly* what my DH would do with his money if he had it to spend and to the extent he leaves any to me (we need to work on those wills!  But I wouldn't be surprised, or disgruntled, if he decides to leave it all to charity).  I was feeling guilty about my future betrayal of him (you'd think I was Catholic or something!), but now that you've asked how I would feel if things were done with my money that I wouldn't have done....well, it's not upsetting at all!  And so I bet my DH would not be upset to contemplate the same either.  So that's actually sort of freeing and helpful.  Thank you!

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2021, 03:19:29 PM »
If our kids were still at home or in college, I'd expect them to be provided for in the same manner they would have been if I were alive. Beyond that, who cares? Yes, it would be unfortunate if I made a lot of sacrifices and died before I could enjoy the payoff, but that wouldn't be my husband's fault or his new wife's fault (assuming they didn't murder me, of course!) and nothing would be gained by him being stingy with her.

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2021, 04:55:18 PM »
Our lawyer asked us exactly these questions when we visited her to draft our wills. Our primary concern is that DD is taken care of until she reaches an age that she can take care of herself. Once she’s launched and capable of making her own living, we didn’t see the need to fund her lifestyle beyond what she is able to fund herself.

We decided that, if one of us were to die first, the inheritance would be split 50/50. 50% to the surviving spouse. 50% in trust for DD until she reaches the age of majority. If DD was still a child, I can’t recall what we decided but I think the trust money could be used to pay for her expenses.

If there’s a house involved, since DH and I would be on the deed (and not DD), the house would go to the surviving spouse.

If surviving spouse remarries, they would obviously have to redo their will and can leave as much or as little of their 50% or whatever remains to whomever they want. Or they can spend their 50% on whatever they want.

We also won’t leave anything to any offspring that do not belong to both of us, unless it was through adoption. So, if one spouse goes and has an affair and has a kid with another person, that kid and their other parent get nothing while the non-cheating spouse is still alive. It’s fair because if the non-cheating spouse dies, the cheater can still  leave a portion of their 50% to whomever they want.

What that means is that, if both of us lived, we’d have a pretty comfortable luxurious retirement, but if only one of us lived, we’d have a decent retirement but would not be terribly attractive to gold diggers and their offspring.

If we’re both alive when DD has grown and established, we will update our wills.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2021, 05:00:16 PM »
If you don't trust your spouse to manage the money you leave them responsibly, then either don't marry them, or don't leave all of your money to them. Easy.

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2021, 05:01:38 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2021, 05:12:53 PM »
This poor guy is making himself miserable with unnecessary moralizing about money. He is trying to pay everyone what they "deserve" based on past life choices: his kids deserve money because their mom made sacrifices and now is dead, his kids deserve money because he wasn't there, his new partner kinda doesn't deserve the benefit of his money because although she worked hard and has no debt she wasn't as frugal as he was--but he doesn't "mind if she comes on these vacations," and her kids should not benefit from his money at all.

I think he should spend within his means while alive to build a happy family where nobody feels excluded or resentful, and set up a trust providing an income to his partner during her lifetime sufficient to maintain her standard of living, with the remainder to his kids. Although frankly it sounds like he might not be ready for that kind of commitment.


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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2021, 05:25:13 PM »
Maybe he knew my cousin?

Aunt died, Uncle remarried someone in desperate straits financially with 8 kids. uncle dies just a year or two after my aunt - and everything - which my aunt as well as uncle worked their whole lives for went to the second wife and my cousin not even allowed in the house - not even given the family pictures - of himself as a toddler. Just evil I think. Second wife died not too long after and all went to her kids. They at least gave up some of the pictures, but that was it.

My cousin was very upset - more about all the sentimental stuff than the money, furniture and dishes from our grandparents, etc. but there was a lot of land involved.

Anyway - yes - I will come back from beyond and wreck vengance should anyone do something like that and squeeze my kids out of my money. I'm dead. Not disinterested.

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2021, 05:28:15 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

Yep, shit can happen. You do your best, plan as best you can, and then what happens, happens. But there's absolutely no point fussing and stressing about it.

Set up a well constructed will and accept that you can't control everything that happens, and then never think of it again unless you have reason to change your will.

This is a ridiculous thing to worry about beyond just doing the responsible thing of estate planning.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2021, 05:58:15 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

While I wouldn't much recommend law school to anyone, estates & trusts was a great class for exactly this and had some of the most fun and fascinating case law to study. Stuff like whether a few words a guy scratched onto a tractor that fell on him and eventually killed him would supercede his (previous) will.... And there were plenty more wild than that. Though, yes, very dependent on jurisdiction so can't guarantee the class would be as fun in states other than CA, I guess!

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2021, 06:03:53 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

While I wouldn't much recommend law school to anyone, estates & trusts was a great class for exactly this and had some of the most fun and fascinating case law to study. Stuff like whether a few words a guy scratched onto a tractor that fell on him and eventually killed him would supercede his (previous) will.... And there were plenty more wild than that. Though, yes, very dependent on jurisdiction so can't guarantee the class would be as fun in states other than CA, I guess!

so what happened with tractor scratch will?

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2021, 06:09:55 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

Yep, shit can happen. You do your best, plan as best you can, and then what happens, happens. But there's absolutely no point fussing and stressing about it.

Set up a well constructed will and accept that you can't control everything that happens, and then never think of it again unless you have reason to change your will.

This is a ridiculous thing to worry about beyond just doing the responsible thing of estate planning.

Sure, but part of good estate planning IMHO is to keep you probate estate as small as possible. Not only is it cheaper and faster but it bypasses this bullshit.

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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2021, 06:57:26 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

Yep, shit can happen. You do your best, plan as best you can, and then what happens, happens. But there's absolutely no point fussing and stressing about it.

Set up a well constructed will and accept that you can't control everything that happens, and then never think of it again unless you have reason to change your will.

This is a ridiculous thing to worry about beyond just doing the responsible thing of estate planning.

Sure, but part of good estate planning IMHO is to keep you probate estate as small as possible. Not only is it cheaper and faster but it bypasses this bullshit.

Okay...sure, whatever makes sense for estate planning in your jurisdiction is a good idea. My point still stands. It's useless to stress about this beyond responsible estate planning.

Agonizing over the worthiness of who might end up benefitting from your money if a court overrides your will after you die seems like a serious waste of energy to me.

All anyone can do is account for the risk, plan as best as they can, and then stop worrying.

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2021, 07:07:36 PM »
My father was executor of the will for a close family friend who was a widower who remarried.  There was a financial imbalance in that his assets greatly outweighed hers, basically she brought no assets into the marriage.  They were retirement age when they married, so she didn’t contribute at all to the creation of his wealth. 

The way things were set up was that she would be taken care of after he predeceased her, until either the end of her life, or she remarried,  She could stay in their shared home for as long as she wanted unless she remarried.  She outlived him and had a good life for the remaining of her years, but once she passed, the house and all remaining assets were passed onto his kids.  Her adult children didn’t seem to know that so they were a bit shocked.

ETA, he wasn’t stingy with her when he was alive, he paid her way for all the trips etc, unlike the OP of the column question.  The entire point of remarrying is to enjoy your twilight years, it isn’t like the children inherited less than they would have if their mother had lived.
Yup.

My grandma died and my grandpa married less than a year later. 
My grandparents were pretty poor when their kids were growing up, but grandpa built a successful business, and when he retired he was worth about $1M.
(Which is/was a TON of money when he died.)
He and grandma got to traveling - African safari, Bahamas, even a trip to Europe.

He had a trust and will written out that had two different sections - the trust that would go to the girls, and the trust that would go to the boys (much larger, of course, because: sexism).

When he remarried, he kept traveling, and some of his kids were PISSED that he would dare to go to the Bahamas with his new wife.  Um, I said "it's HIS money??"  I mean, at that point, even my 12 yo self knew that.  Grandpa was in his 60s and his kids were all 30's and 40's.

Grandpa and new wife were married for 16 years.  Eventually, the Bahamas trips turned into bus trips because they got too old to really fly and it was easier for them.  Grandpa lived to be 85 or 86.  He had changed his will and trust to say that when he died, his wife could live off the interest of the trusts, and even hit the principal if needed.

Man, a couple of uncles were PISSED.  WHEN DO I GET MY MONEY.  For shit's sake, you guys are in your 60s.  Get over it.  I secretly wished my step-grandma a long and healthy life.

She lived to be 97.  She lived another 18 years after my grandpa.  Outlived my mom and an aunt.  Ha, so there!
(After my grandfather died, she moved out of the house and back into her own one, that she had kept.  That lady raised 12 kids on her own.  She also had a pension from being a librarian.)

TLDR, it's his money.  Nobody is owed an inheritance, but if you want to leave your kids something, by all means put some money in a trust.

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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2021, 07:09:15 PM »
Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

While I wouldn't much recommend law school to anyone, estates & trusts was a great class for exactly this and had some of the most fun and fascinating case law to study. Stuff like whether a few words a guy scratched onto a tractor that fell on him and eventually killed him would supercede his (previous) will.... And there were plenty more wild than that. Though, yes, very dependent on jurisdiction so can't guarantee the class would be as fun in states other than CA, I guess!

so what happened with tractor scratch will?

Oh man, I was afraid someone might ask that after I posted it. I *think* they considered it valid? Can't remember for sure, so long ago. But definitely the take home is to try to avoid your last thoughts being how to scratch an updated testament into metal while you are dying. Keep those estate planning documents up to date via official means! Especially if you're about to do something risky or just have a generally dangerous job!

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« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2021, 07:14:48 PM »
Maybe he knew my cousin?

Aunt died, Uncle remarried someone in desperate straits financially with 8 kids. uncle dies just a year or two after my aunt - and everything - which my aunt as well as uncle worked their whole lives for went to the second wife and my cousin not even allowed in the house - not even given the family pictures - of himself as a toddler. Just evil I think. Second wife died not too long after and all went to her kids. They at least gave up some of the pictures, but that was it.

My cousin was very upset - more about all the sentimental stuff than the money, furniture and dishes from our grandparents, etc. but there was a lot of land involved.

Anyway - yes - I will come back from beyond and wreck vengance should anyone do something like that and squeeze my kids out of my money. I'm dead. Not disinterested.

A similar situation happened to one of my in-laws! @mistymoney , I think those of us who have watched these messes unfold first-hand are much more jaded about the entire estate planning process.

In my in-law's case, the man had been a partner in a law firm. His wife predeceased him by two decades, leaving behind two adult children. He went onto marry a woman whom he admitted to not loving, but did so because he didn't want to be alone anymore. The woman convinced him to move to a warmer location, far from all of his children and grandchildren, whom all lived in the same geographic area. She filled their McMansion with expensive artwork and sculptures. I visited them at their house once, and it looked like a small art museum.

His will was changed so that everything was left to his second wife (and eventually, her adult children), including all of the sentimental items and priceless documents from his career. After his death, there were hurt feelings and bitterness abound. The icing on the cake was that she had convinced him to choose a new burial location for the two of them, so he wouldn't even be buried with his first wife anymore.

The only positive thing in all of this was that the first wife had an illustrious career of her own, which was especially impressive for her time. Her company stock ended up being passed onto her grandchildren, enough to fund down payments for each of them to buy a home.
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2021, 08:32:43 PM »
I think that happens pretty often that widow(er)s don't make provisions for their kids and inheritances pass to stepkids, mostly I suspect either unintended through trusting the spouse/stepparent or not caring.  I know of someone whose dad passed quickly from pancreatic cancer.  He reportedly intended for her to inherit, but trusted the (very new) stepmom to pass it on to her.  She spent it on/passed it to her kids instead.  As with other cases, she cared mostly about sentimental items that were lost.

Isn't this why wills exist?

If you don't like the default, change the default.

Yea, but depending on where you live and what it says the court might change it for you after you are dead.

While I wouldn't much recommend law school to anyone, estates & trusts was a great class for exactly this and had some of the most fun and fascinating case law to study. Stuff like whether a few words a guy scratched onto a tractor that fell on him and eventually killed him would supercede his (previous) will.... And there were plenty more wild than that. Though, yes, very dependent on jurisdiction so can't guarantee the class would be as fun in states other than CA, I guess!

so what happened with tractor scratch will?

Oh man, I was afraid someone might ask that after I posted it. I *think* they considered it valid? Can't remember for sure, so long ago. But definitely the take home is to try to avoid your last thoughts being how to scratch an updated testament into metal while you are dying. Keep those estate planning documents up to date via official means! Especially if you're about to do something risky or just have a generally dangerous job!

My vague recollection was that it was valid too. I think I remember my prof saying that sometimes bad decisions are made in the law because the facts are so compelling people feel badly - not sure if it was about that case specifically but I think maybe?

My T&E prof used to read out Dear Abby/Ann Landers stories and tie them into the lessons.  In the "you think this is a one off, but no..." vein as it would tie into a case.  Years later, I just remember one, about a woman pissed her sibling's 4 kids got generous gifts for birthdays/holidays while she only had 1 kid to get the gifts.  She felt her inheritance was being unfairly spent by virtue of having fewer kids.  Needless to say, crazy petty even putting aside the "no one is owed an inheritance" part.

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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2021, 03:12:05 AM »
My MIL remarried a man, A, who was 15 years older than her and bought a lot more assets to the party.  His three kids were not very happy about this and they were generally pissed that their inheritance would probably be delayed.  All their behaviour made it clear they were much more interested in their inheritance than in their father.

To reflect the original imbalance, the wills left a life interest in A's assets to MIL then on her death two thirds of the estate would go to his three kids and one third to her two.  His kids grumbled about this, argued that it should be 75:25, hardly ever visited, etc. 

A passed this year aged 92 after a 20+ year marriage to MIL.  At some point they had changed their wills to leave everything absolutely to the other, but still keeping that same distribution on the second death.  That seemed reasonable to me after so many years together, but his kids suddenly realised that there was now nothing stopping MIL from now changing her will and cutting them out entirely!  They have been much more assiduous about visiting and keeping in contact since A's passing than when he was alive LOL.

MIL has indeed suggested changing her will, but only so far as to make it an even 5 way split.  I have tried to talk her out of it as it would just piss A's kids off no end, whilst making no material difference to us as the difference would be <£10k.  Part of me wouldn't be too unhappy if it all ended up going on MIL's eventual care needs and everyone ended up with tuppence ha'penny - it would be worth it to see their faces.

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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2021, 07:01:40 AM »
This is exactly why I put into my pre-nup a clause that if I should die first, my wife must be buried along with me in my coffin.

Might as well go the extra step for full Egyptian and bury your servants with you too.  Otherwise who is going to feed you peeled grapes in the afterlife?  Just your wife????  Like a plebe???

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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2021, 08:33:58 AM »
Maybe he knew my cousin?

Aunt died, Uncle remarried someone in desperate straits financially with 8 kids. uncle dies just a year or two after my aunt - and everything - which my aunt as well as uncle worked their whole lives for went to the second wife and my cousin not even allowed in the house - not even given the family pictures - of himself as a toddler. Just evil I think. Second wife died not too long after and all went to her kids. They at least gave up some of the pictures, but that was it.

My cousin was very upset - more about all the sentimental stuff than the money, furniture and dishes from our grandparents, etc. but there was a lot of land involved.

Anyway - yes - I will come back from beyond and wreck vengance should anyone do something like that and squeeze my kids out of my money. I'm dead. Not disinterested.

A similar situation happened to one of my in-laws! @mistymoney , I think those of us who have watched these messes unfold first-hand are much more jaded about the entire estate planning process.

In my in-law's case, the man had been a partner in a law firm. His wife predeceased him by two decades, leaving behind two adult children. He went onto marry a woman whom he admitted to not loving, but did so because he didn't want to be alone anymore. The woman convinced him to move to a warmer location, far from all of his children and grandchildren, whom all lived in the same geographic area. She filled their McMansion with expensive artwork and sculptures. I visited them at their house once, and it looked like a small art museum.

His will was changed so that everything was left to his second wife (and eventually, her adult children), including all of the sentimental items and priceless documents from his career. After his death, there were hurt feelings and bitterness abound. The icing on the cake was that she had convinced him to choose a new burial location for the two of them, so he wouldn't even be buried with his first wife anymore.

The only positive thing in all of this was that the first wife had an illustrious career of her own, which was especially impressive for her time. Her company stock ended up being passed onto her grandchildren, enough to fund down payments for each of them to buy a home.
I've heard of these situations before and I'm always astounded that people want to keep other people's family heirlooms.  Like, what do you want with them?!  I understand wanting the money or the house, but give people their baby pictures ffs! 

Like in our family, my grandmother passed away about ten years ago, and my grandfather, who's about 80 has been seeing a lovely woman for several years now.  I don't know if they'll get married, but if they do, I don't care if his money, which he has a substantial amount of, gets spent while they enjoy themselves or on taking care of her if he passes first.  I actually hope he wouldn't try to make her pay her own way.  I wouldn't like it if his money went entirely to her children, but I'd get over it.  But if she tried to keep my grandma's paintings or her photo albums, I'd do whatever I could to try to get them back in our family.   

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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2021, 09:12:26 AM »

MIL has indeed suggested changing her will, but only so far as to make it an even 5 way split.  I have tried to talk her out of it as it would just piss A's kids off no end, whilst making no material difference to us as the difference would be <£10k. 

Even with all the selfish, unrealistic expectations given in various examples here, it seems to me that the most important factor is that people are surprised by the outcome.  Like it or not, the best thing anyone can do is break the taboo about talking with their parents, and know ahead of time what the arrangements can be.  At least, let your parents *know* what is important to you, and the make sure it is included, rather than an assumption.

My in-laws are very good at this.  My wife hates the segment of our family visits that involves which pieces of fine China/ family artist paintings / heirloom furniture we want.  And there is a macabre aspect to those conversations.  In fact, we don't want a lot of the stuff.  But that is perhaps just as important; they put a lot of value on those things, and while my DW worries about offending them, they have proven that they wan her honest feedback, and have worked to find someone in the family that does want them, rather than stick with the obvious heirs and leave the dirty detail work to them.

My father (who remarried twce) isn't quite that thorough, but definitely has communicated well the financial aspects of his estate planning, at least.  My Mom will only leave sentimental things and her equity in the small family business, which will pass entirely to my half brothers, who work in that business.  She explained this--even presented it as an intention, rather than a done deal--and we were able to tell her that: 1) it was her decision, anyway  2) it sounded totally fair to us and 3) we were happy it will work out for them.  She was obviously sweating our response, and was greatly relieved.  It ended up being a happy family moment to affirm our thoughts and feelings out in the open.

While there are no guarantees that everyone will be reasonable and loving, the best thing to do is to talk about it in the open, together.  That certainly gives you the best chance of doing something about any problems that arise.  I also can't imagine the desire to keep a shallow peace with people whom I think will blow up / go off the deep end in such a conversation.  I would rather know that for sure, and not waste time with such people.

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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2021, 09:40:10 AM »

MIL has indeed suggested changing her will, but only so far as to make it an even 5 way split.  I have tried to talk her out of it as it would just piss A's kids off no end, whilst making no material difference to us as the difference would be <£10k. 

Even with all the selfish, unrealistic expectations given in various examples here, it seems to me that the most important factor is that people are surprised by the outcome.  Like it or not, the best thing anyone can do is break the taboo about talking with their parents, and know ahead of time what the arrangements can be.  At least, let your parents *know* what is important to you, and the make sure it is included, rather than an assumption.

My in-laws are very good at this.  My wife hates the segment of our family visits that involves which pieces of fine China/ family artist paintings / heirloom furniture we want.  And there is a macabre aspect to those conversations.  In fact, we don't want a lot of the stuff.  But that is perhaps just as important; they put a lot of value on those things, and while my DW worries about offending them, they have proven that they wan her honest feedback, and have worked to find someone in the family that does want them, rather than stick with the obvious heirs and leave the dirty detail work to them.

My father (who remarried twce) isn't quite that thorough, but definitely has communicated well the financial aspects of his estate planning, at least.  My Mom will only leave sentimental things and her equity in the small family business, which will pass entirely to my half brothers, who work in that business.  She explained this--even presented it as an intention, rather than a done deal--and we were able to tell her that: 1) it was her decision, anyway  2) it sounded totally fair to us and 3) we were happy it will work out for them.  She was obviously sweating our response, and was greatly relieved.  It ended up being a happy family moment to affirm our thoughts and feelings out in the open.

While there are no guarantees that everyone will be reasonable and loving, the best thing to do is to talk about it in the open, together.  That certainly gives you the best chance of doing something about any problems that arise.  I also can't imagine the desire to keep a shallow peace with people whom I think will blow up / go off the deep end in such a conversation.  I would rather know that for sure, and not waste time with such people.

I totally agree that everyone should know the situation in advance.  There should be no surprise will-readings in real life, only in movies and books.  But I do put the onus on the parents (or will-makers) to broach the subject and tell their heirs what to expect.  It's a taboo to ask someone whether you're going to inherit from them for a good reason - it really can't help but feel like your interest is more selfish than practical/logistical.  The will-maker may have some tough conversations ahead of them if they know they are informing an heir of disappointing news, but there really is no more cowardly way out than to wait till you are dead and let another family member deal with the fallout.

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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2021, 10:08:20 AM »

I totally agree that everyone should know the situation in advance.  There should be no surprise will-readings in real life, only in movies and books.  But I do put the onus on the parents (or will-makers) to broach the subject and tell their heirs what to expect.  It's a taboo to ask someone whether you're going to inherit from them for a good reason - it really can't help but feel like your interest is more selfish than practical/logistical.  The will-maker may have some tough conversations ahead of them if they know they are informing an heir of disappointing news, but there really is no more cowardly way out than to wait till you are dead and let another family member deal with the fallout.

I do agree that it should be the parent's initiative, and in my case it has been.  But there are also more tactful ways for a child to bring this up than ask "What am I getting?"  "What are your wishes?" opens up the conversation not just to wills, but also to end-of-life care, for example.

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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2021, 10:27:37 AM »

I totally agree that everyone should know the situation in advance.  There should be no surprise will-readings in real life, only in movies and books.  But I do put the onus on the parents (or will-makers) to broach the subject and tell their heirs what to expect.  It's a taboo to ask someone whether you're going to inherit from them for a good reason - it really can't help but feel like your interest is more selfish than practical/logistical.  The will-maker may have some tough conversations ahead of them if they know they are informing an heir of disappointing news, but there really is no more cowardly way out than to wait till you are dead and let another family member deal with the fallout.

I do agree that it should be the parent's initiative, and in my case it has been.  But there are also more tactful ways for a child to bring this up than ask "What am I getting?"  "What are your wishes?" opens up the conversation not just to wills, but also to end-of-life care, for example.

As another example, I found that "What charities would you like supported in your name?" was a good conversation starter.

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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2021, 10:33:42 AM »
What I've learned is that even a trust doesn't matter if the trustee (original trustee, not successor) doesn't follow it.  Parents created a new trust once all of the children were of majority age.  Trust was more than what they needed for their meager assets (mostly just the house), but because of an age difference and the children being from a prior marriage and then stepparent adopted, there was a desire to make sure the estate was divided in half upon the passing of spouse A (the older spouse) to make sure spouse A's children inherited.  When spouse A died spouse B didn't follow the rules of the A-B trust -- it didn't happen.  Spouse B knew the trust was supposed to become irrevocable and  divided.  I'm not sure how it could have been done with only the house as the asset, exactly, but even informal records weren't kept.  Maybe title could have been divided by percentages at that time.

Spouse B later did a cash out refinance, greatly increasing the mortgage.  When spouse B sold the house, they decided the value of the adult children's inheritance would be half of the proceeds after tithing a full 10%.  This would already be far less than half the value of the house based on how much was owed at the time of spouse A's death.  As an example, say the mortgage at the time of spouse A's death had been $50K, and spouse B refinanced to a $200k mortgage to deal with consumer debt.  Eventually house sells for $500K.  Even if you allot $25K of the original mortgage to the heirs, it would be a gross profit of $225K for the heirs and $225K for spouse B (out of which realtor fees etc. could be deducted evenly between the two).  Instead, spouse A's math was sell for $500K, deduct $200K mortgage, deduct $50K for tithing (yes, on the full amount of sale), and the portion for the heirs would be $125K.  Except then spouse A decided all vehicle and credit card debts should be paid out of the proceeds before dividing, even thought spouse A had been dead more than a decade and didn't incur the debt.  So now the heirs are down to $105K.

But it gets worse.  The trust had always stated spouse B could live in the house as long as they desired.  The stipulation was if they sold the house they had to use the proceeds to buy another house or pay out to the heirs.  Didn't happen.  Spouse B got engaged to future Spouse D (there was a spouse C who spouse B married between spouses A and D, but during that marriage spouse B didn't sell the house).  Lawyer told spouse B that they could buy a new house with spouse D and do paperwork to reflect that spouse D could live in the house until death and then the heirs would finally get the inheritance (but not without a lot of hassle).  Also suggested a prenup.  Potential spouse D would not do a prenup as they saw it as a lack of trust.  Soon after marriage spouse B decided that renovating and remodeling spouse D's house would be the same as having bought another house.  Of course, it's not.  Spouse B isn't on the title and has no ownership.  Spouse D is leaving house to their own children.

At this point I don't think any of the adult children will see a penny of inheritance.  I'm the only one who even knows what happened.  There are going to be some ticked off people, I can tell you.  I already told spouse B I will not be successor trustee, which is what spouse A had wanted -- I refuse to be the bearer of bad news.


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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2021, 10:42:29 AM »
Maybe he knew my cousin?

Aunt died, Uncle remarried someone in desperate straits financially with 8 kids. uncle dies just a year or two after my aunt - and everything - which my aunt as well as uncle worked their whole lives for went to the second wife and my cousin not even allowed in the house - not even given the family pictures - of himself as a toddler. Just evil I think. Second wife died not too long after and all went to her kids. They at least gave up some of the pictures, but that was it.

My cousin was very upset - more about all the sentimental stuff than the money, furniture and dishes from our grandparents, etc. but there was a lot of land involved.

Anyway - yes - I will come back from beyond and wreck vengance should anyone do something like that and squeeze my kids out of my money. I'm dead. Not disinterested.

This happened to my FIL recently too! It really upset him.

FIL'd dad died a few years ago at the ripe old age of 95 and of course wife number 5 got the house and property. Wife 5 was actually really nice and had created a relationship w/ FIL and StarHus's family and had indicated several times that upon her passing the sentimental things would be sent to FIL. She even sent us the family photo album for our son. But when she died, her adult kids got the house and millions of dollars worth of Idaho acreage.

Her kids threw out everything and sold the land for development. My FIL was upset about the money, but also really upset that they had tossed out quilts made by his grandmother and other family things.


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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2021, 10:47:38 AM »
Talking wishes/plans in advance is super helpful.  My parents told me they were thinking of making me the executor of their estate because of my profession.  I pointed out my sibling was older and ask if they had checked to make sure she didn't want to do it - I didn't want to have waves later.  She also is of a profession that would be helpful as an executor and lives closer.  She did want it, so they made her primary, me secondary and divided up POA and Health Care proxy amongst us in a round robin.  Probably wouldn't have caused a problem, but, potential issue averted by discussing in advance.

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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2021, 10:49:04 AM »
I don't really see much connection between the question and the article in the OP.  One is about how a person feels about what happens to their wealth after they die, and another is about a couple figuring out what works for them financially. 

I don't care what happens to my money after I'm dead, short of it being used to fund immoral or awful things.  (And even then, I'll be too dead to know.)  And my spouse is a pretty incredible guy, and one whose judgement I very much trust, so to any extent that I did care, I assume that if he marries someone else (or has a serious enough relationship with that they start benefitting significantly from his money), that this is good and right and just and fair.  If he wants to use his stache--formerly our stashe--to usher his new bride into retirement when she otherwise would have had to keep working because it makes their lives together better, that's lovely and I'm happy for them.  (Except I'm not happy, because in this scenario I am dead and therefore incapable of happiness.  Or any other emotion.) 

I trust that he will make the decisions that are right for him.  I certainly don't begrudge him finding happiness, even if it bought with what was formerly 'our' money, after I'm gone.  What is the alternative?  Demanding that all of the money--or maybe just my half--be spent on a shrine to me? 

It seems like a very odd thing to be concerned about. 

(To be clear, I thin it is odd specifically to worry about a future partner 'benefitting'.  Clearly if there are children involved then it isn't off to hope they are taken care of, which is why a will and/or effective trust are important.  It's one thing to worry about whether specific people will be taken care of or get what you think is their fair share, and another, IMO, to worry about who might get to spend money that once belonged to you, before you died.)
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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2021, 11:01:02 AM »
As far as the conversations that should be had in most of these cases, I don't think even asking "what charities would you like supported" is the best way to go, though this surely varies by family and the personalities involved.  I've encouraged DH to ask his mother if she has a will and an estate plan.  He hasn't, yet.  My hope is that this opens the door to the conversation on specifics, especially because there are some complicated relationships (addition, codependency, 'dependent' adult child--with 'dependent' in quotes because they are not disabled or legally a dependent in any way, a remarriage late in life to a man with his own children, etc. ) If not, then I guess we will be surprised.  We aren't counting on anything, I doubt there will be much left anyway, and we are prepared (at least in theory) to walk away if others cause issues. So while I think it would be good for her to share at least the basics, I don't think she is obligated to do so.

My parents are the opposite.  They've explained to both siblings that my sister is the executor (I breathed a sigh of relief!), they've told us where the various documents are, and offered to let us read the will.  (I declined.)  Everything is in a trust.  Mom has driven me by the bank branch where they have a safety deposit box to make sure I know where it is, despite this being unnecessary.  There are a few items that I've expressed interest in when she has asked.  Once I saw that it actually *pleased* her that I had interest in a couple items, I mentioned a few more in passing when it seemed to come up naturally because I like the joy it gives her to know these things will be appreciated.  They are generally sentimental but not especially valuable items, like the cedar chest that was a 16th birthday gift for her, that I recall being mesmerized by as a child when she would pull out each item and explain the provenance.  "These are your sister's baby shoes, and this was your grandmother's nurse uniform pin, and...".  It's meaningful to her that I want them, so I like making sure she knows that.

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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2021, 01:33:05 PM »
DH and I are planning to die together as per The Notebook, so we need not consider such contingencies.

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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2021, 01:58:56 PM »
Is the title of this thread the real issue here? I don’t think so.  Not so much anyway as the real issue being how to include children from first marriage in asset distribution.

I don’t have children so my decisions are easy and if I answer the title question it is this: no I don’t care what happens to DH’s subsequent wives and how they take advantage of his money. It is his money and he can do with it as he likes.

If I die and we have 2 million in assets, and he dies later with 1 million in assets, and he’s married at the time and his spouse gets that 1 million —so what? I don’t care.

I would be a whole lot more invested in this issue if I had children.

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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2021, 02:06:19 PM »
I’m sure we all know scenarios playing out like this, but here’s one I have details about:

Friends near my age, in other words old, are concerned about their “inheritance. “  The manchild Has a mother who is living off her third husband’s money although she does have property and income and investments of her own.

The third husband’s will calls for her to be supported with his assets until she dies,  and then the assets supporting her go  to his children, her step children  (who also happen to be our friends, but they are not manchildren.)

One of the last conversations I heard the manchild have was one where he expressed anger that she was spending “her own money “ on some things and that deleted the assets that he was expecting to get when she died.

this woman is appropriately conscious of “her” money vs. the money from her third husband which will go to his children.

Oh this inheritance expectation is a killer for family relationships and living life. The man child has been unable to hold a job for quite a long time.  I will admit that he’s now in full-blown mental illness So he couldn’t work even if he went out and tried to at this point.





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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2021, 02:09:34 PM »
DH and I are planning to die together as per The Notebook, so we need not consider such contingencies.

Ditto. In our sleep, holding hands. :)

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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2021, 02:13:29 PM »
My dad found a new partner several years after my mother died.  They had a cohabitation agreement that spelled out who contributed what to expenses, and what happened when either one of them died.  Since both had children from previous marriages, they were sharing expenses while they were together, but the estates went to their respective children.  This was above and beyond their wills.   My Dad died first, this was very helpful since expectations were clear and there were no issues with settling his estate.

A similar situation can arise with divorce.  I don't know what other jurisdictions do, but in my province an agreement as to heirs in the financial agreement over-rides a will.  For example, we agreed that both my Ex and I have to leave a minimum of 1/2 our estate to our DD.  The other half is ours to do with as we like.   Neither of us can leave more than 1/2 to other beneficiaries or the will is contestable/invalid.

I think that is brutal, the state deciding where one’s assets go. Screw that.

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« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2021, 02:17:30 PM »
Is the title of this thread the real issue here? I don’t think so.  Not so much anyway as the real issue being how to include children from first marriage in asset distribution.

I don’t have children so my decisions are easy and if I answer the title question it is this: no I don’t care what happens to DH’s subsequent wives and how they take advantage of his money. It is his money and he can do with it as he likes.

If I die and we have 2 million in assets, and he dies later with 1 million in assets, and he’s married at the time and his spouse gets that 1 million —so what? I don’t care.

I would be a whole lot more invested in this issue if I had children.

Yeah, I wouldn't care much if I didn't have children.

Even though I do, I hope DH spends as much money as he needs and wants to if I die first, but when he dies I would absolutely want the assets to go to our children and not the children of a second wife.  I'm not against passing on generational wealth, but it has to go to my kids, not someone else's.  I will consider an A-B trust if I think it's necessary.

If he dies first I don't plan to remarry legally.  I've seen too many instances of everything getting crazy because of how it affects inheritance.  More recently I've know a few older couples who've had a commitment type ceremony without a legal marriage or have decided to remain "engaged to be married" for years, so they don't have to redo all of their estate planning.

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« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2021, 02:57:28 PM »
You know that comedian who says "Here's your sign?"

That's what this 'dilemma' reminds me of.  If you want to hold something back, what's the point of getting married?  Part of the love and care I have for my spouse is a desire to provide for them now while we are together and in the future, whether I'm here or not. 
I think it's possible to enjoy the relationship for what it is.  There's a Merle Haggard tune, "It's Not Love, But It's Not Bad" which perhaps applies. 

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« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2021, 07:28:21 PM »
If the guy was married for 22 years, some of which were in college, he's likely to be young - under 50 - and reasonably close to FIRED possibility.

If the woman he might marry is a similar age with little or no retirement savings, they have a potentially long life ahead of them. They have to navigate not just different current net worths but different approaches to spending and savings.  If she was planning to save for retirement by working another 15 years, while he's ready to quit now, can he even fund her lifestyle? It's not just about will he pay for a couple of nice vacations a year, will he allow her to quit working when he does? And if so, will she be able to live the kind of frugal lifestyle he and first wife were used to?  Or does marrying this woman commit him to working an extra 15 years too, to save up for the general lifestyle inflation that she's used to? (no new furniture or cars, didn't he say?)

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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2021, 02:30:01 AM »
I wouldn't live as frugally if I knew in advance that my assets would end up being used to support my husband's future wife and her kids. The only reason I'm frugal now is because I want to pass my assets down to my kid. I've mostly backed out of my plans to retire early, so I have decades of work ahead of me.

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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2021, 06:00:50 AM »
so what happened with tractor scratch will?

Oh man, I was afraid someone might ask that after I posted it. I *think* they considered it valid?

Oh, I know this one!  Yes, they did.  https://globalnews.ca/news/926746/dying-sk-farmers-will-goes-down-in-history/

MIL has indeed suggested changing her will, but only so far as to make it an even 5 way split.  I have tried to talk her out of it as it would just piss A's kids off no end, whilst making no material difference to us as the difference would be <£10k.  Part of me wouldn't be too unhappy if it all ended up going on MIL's eventual care needs and everyone ended up with tuppence ha'penny - it would be worth it to see their faces.

Hah.  She probably wants to leave an inheritance, but...you should encourage her to be spendy and enjoy herself!  Let the grown-ass adult children take care of their own lives.

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Re: Future partners of your spouse potentially benefitting from your stash
« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2021, 06:30:36 AM »
I’d hope she would be happy. No kids and honestly I think my brother would be dead in a year with that kind of money. My parents are already comfortable. I’d be more concerned her sister would get it than future partner

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Re: Future partners of your spouse potentially benefitting from your stash
« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2021, 09:13:20 AM »
Hell no, I wouldn't want some gold-digger hussy to come along and enjoy spending all my hard saved money. I've got 2 young kids that have had less than they could have because I  saved the money for the future instead. I want to continue to care for them, as well as my husband,  but I don't have any extra for a new rando-chick that couldn't bother to save for herself.  I'd also hope that whoever my kids ended up partnered with in life had those values as well--saving for the future.

I have 3 pots, plus my house. My old, pre-marriage pot, my inheritance pot, and the new, current stash. The first 2 should go to my kids, definitely. (I know for a fact my dad wouldn't want his hard-saved cash to go to some future spouse of my spouse instead of his grandsons.) All can be used by my husband.  The last can be shared with future spouse for lifestyle.  My husband has a pot of his own. I hope he doesn't find someone after me who's just going to be a drag.

I guess I feel less generous in this regard because I never made all that much.  What I have managed to save really represents what I did without. And I have little respect for those who didn't save because they refused to do without anything.

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Re: Future partners of your spouse potentially benefitting from your stash
« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2021, 10:46:50 AM »
Hell no, I wouldn't want some gold-digger hussy to come along and enjoy spending all my hard saved money. I've got 2 young kids that have had less than they could have because I  saved the money for the future instead. I want to continue to care for them, as well as my husband,  but I don't have any extra for a new rando-chick that couldn't bother to save for herself.  I'd also hope that whoever my kids ended up partnered with in life had those values as well--saving for the future.

I have 3 pots, plus my house. My old, pre-marriage pot, my inheritance pot, and the new, current stash. The first 2 should go to my kids, definitely. (I know for a fact my dad wouldn't want his hard-saved cash to go to some future spouse of my spouse instead of his grandsons.) All can be used by my husband.  The last can be shared with future spouse for lifestyle.  My husband has a pot of his own. I hope he doesn't find someone after me who's just going to be a drag.

I guess I feel less generous in this regard because I never made all that much.  What I have managed to save really represents what I did without. And I have little respect for those who didn't save because they refused to do without anything.

Would you not expect your husband to care properly for your kids if you died? Are you really married to someone who you think would prioritize a "gold-digger hussy" over your kids?

If so, that sucks.