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« on: February 18, 2024, 11:49:02 AM »
I thought this would be a good place to ask for advice.

A longtime friend is getting married at the end of the year. It's complicated, because it's her first marriage, and his third. (!!!) She's 48, he's 55.

She's a very successful engineer, and he's also successful in his career as a hospital administrator. They've been together for ~ 5 years, and weathered Covid together, which says something, I think.

She had owned her own house in the Bay Area; she sold it a couple of years ago, and they purchased two houses together - one in AZ, and another in the Bay Area. He inherited a third house, from a parent, in CO. He'd like to keep the last one for his adult kid.

She is working for a public agency, and has accrued 25 years of service thus far. However, she is not yet 50, so she cannot retire yet. So she came over on Friday night for dinner and spreadsheets. We perused her pension plan docs, and talked through possible strategies.

I was also able to successfully broach the subject of a prenup, and she said that they had already briefly touched on it, since he had a kid to whom he wanted to pass along the family house.

I also asked how she'd determine her state of residency, since she owns property in three states - I assume that she doesn't want it in CA, but I don't think she can avoid CA taxes, since her agency is a state agency.

The fiance is currently working abroad, and she'd like to join him after the wedding. It's unlikely that she'll be able to work remotely, so that probably means quitting. Given her years of service, she's in a good spot. The question is - when to claim the pension.

I looked at the multipliers for her tier, and it goes from 1% of highest annual salary x years of service (at age 50) to 2.1% of her highest annual salary x years of service (at age 60). So clearly, quitting to find another (remote) job, and delaying a claim on the pension until age 60 is the smart choice.

She will have a pension, the fiance has a pension, they have rental income from two houses (one not yet cash-flowing positively), plus two Social Security incomes. So clearly they'll be fine. The execution and setting up of assets seems prudent, given this is his third marriage.

She says she doesn't want to sell the CA house, as she thinks she'd never be able to buy in again if she lets it go. She also expressed interest in taking the cash from her sold home, investing it in the negative cash flow property, and recasting the mortgage (currently at ~ 6%). I cautioned her from doing that, as it would co-mingle a pre-marital asset into a marital asset.

My thoughts:

1) Rather than co-owning two houses (and holding his inherited house separately), they should choose the house they prefer (he likes AZ and she likes CA). They should quitclaim to one another prior to the wedding, so that he has his inherited home for his son, plus the AZ house as a single man. She keeps the CA house as a single woman. Once that's clean, she can pay against the CA house's mortgage, and recast at that time, keeping her pre-marital cash separate. This is helpful (primarily) to her.

2) They should get a prenup, declaring their intent on the separate RE, which protects his inherited home for his son, which has got to be helpful. There's no way she wouldn't assist in roof replacement or other capital project, so having the title clean would be helpful (primarily) to him.

3) Since she has accrued ALL of her pension service credit as a single woman, the prenup should include the statement that her pension is her pre-marital benefit, and if they split after she claims the pension, she retains all pension benefits.

4) Since he accrued ALL of his pension service as a single man, they'd make clear that his pension is his, should they split.

What else should she include?

I would append copies of statements on the shares she has in her retirement and savings accounts, and details on his savings and retirement accounts, too.

I assume they should both start new retirement and savings accounts, with the marriage, so any prior accounts are easily accounted for should they split.

Any other advice?

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2024, 12:38:15 PM »
I would be very cautious giving any advice at all unless she is clearly requesting it and you are confident in your advice. Are you a professional? Because if not and things go sideways you could end up taking the blame, deserved or not.

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2024, 01:26:27 PM »
I would be very cautious giving any advice at all unless she is clearly requesting it and you are confident in your advice. Are you a professional? Because if not and things go sideways you could end up taking the blame, deserved or not.

She is requesting it, and as noted, she's concerned about thinking through the complexities.

She was unaware of the implications of a community property state and her pension, for example, which is why she wanted to talk to me.

No worries about blame. We've been friends for 30 years, since she was an UG in college.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2024, 03:11:46 PM »
I'm kind of in your friends shoes but BF/SO/partner and I have decided not to marry so that keeps things much simpler. We each own a separate home in our own names and split time between them, and keep our CalPERS Gov pensions and all other assets seperate with plans to leave our individual assets/houses to our individual heirs. Neither of have kids from our previous marriage but still want our own family members (siblings) to inherit what assets we accumulated separately. Is that an option for your friend or is  being legally married important to them?

As for our pensions, which we each started collecting at 50 (he quit work when he turned 50 during pandemic but I quit more than a decade before I was eligible to collect so mines small) I believe CalPERS requires you to have a signed affidavit with them saying your spouse waives their pension rights and not just a pre-nup. Prenups and wills can also be challenged in court and your friend might find one or more of his ex-spouse's has some claim to his assets.

One other thing I didn't see addressed is what will happen to shared/combined assets if one passes away? If BF passes away is there a wiil or trust in place to leave shared assets to her or must they be divided immediately to pass to other heirs? If she's living in his house and hers is rented will.she be forced to move out so it can pass to someone like his child? Will he put her in his will or trust to inherit his house even if he is listed as a single sole owner? Will his family boot her out asap if not? And vice-versa with her house. Lots of potential issues that should be looked at.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2024, 04:24:42 PM »
@spartana - thanks, she feels like these things are getting handled/discussed. I pointed out that without an updated will or trust, since he's 7 years older, she'll likely outlive him.

Our conversation noted that without a prenup and updated wills, she'll be in conflict with the step-son upon her fiance's passing, as the house should pass to him. Having it all written out and discussed allows folks to know what to expect, so that's a plus.

It is important to her to be married.

I noted today that since her pension would include medical benefits for life, she may be better off taking a lump sum at age 50, even at 1% high salary, but inclusive of the actuarial value of the medical coverage.

Lots to think about, for sure.

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2024, 09:54:10 PM »
Please send your friend my congratulations. I didn't make it to the altar until I was 54.

And tell her she's damn lucky to have a friend like you.

One more thought: When I was single, I intended to split my assets equally among my five siblings. After the crap my brother and I went through as co-executors, I now have no intention of leaving anything significant to any of my siblings. After a decade of marriage, I'm just as inclined (or more) to help DH's kids out. My point is that her feelings may change along the way, as mine have. (For the record, I give a lot to charities, and will probably leave legacy gifts to my favorites.)

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2024, 12:49:52 AM »
Thanks, @Dicey - we've been friends a long time, and we both feel lucky to have the other in our lives. She's just a gem, but a bit sheltered, and naive; first gen American, and a big family rebel for moving out of the family home at 24, after her master's.

As an engineer, she's pretty logical, and very much prone to thinking things through. She texted me today -

"I'm thinking more about the idea of a prenup, as it seems like it's just a prearranged agreement" and

"So many things to think about! Thanks for being someone who's willing to point out areas I need to explore."

I believe the idea of fighting with the stepson is a big incentive to have it all laid out in advance. And she's not afraid of being analytical in terms of the marriage - she herself noted that this will be his third, so she's not blind to the idea that it might not last. We can all hope it does, while preparing for a world in which it doesn't, and at the same time - one in which he pre-deceases her, which even if they don't divorce, is a good thing to prepare for.

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2024, 09:07:16 AM »
Honestly, she needs a lawyer.  CA is a community property state, which means some of the rules and expectations can be very different.  For ex:  in my state, any property or assets owned prior to a marriage remain independent assets, unless they are commingled after marriage.  Is that true in CA?  I don't know, but I suspect not.  A lawyer can advise on both a prenup and a will, just to make sure that everything goes where they want things to.  And since they do this all the time, they are really good at asking questions that you or she may not have thought of (like changing beneficiaries in pension plans -- there are hoops to go through if you want to leave things to anyone other than a spouse). 

I'm a lawyer, and I wouldn't advise a friend about how to ensure their assets go where they're supposed to.  Hell, I won't even do my own will.  And in CA?  And 2 other states?  And living abroad?  No thank you.

The thing about law school is that they're really good at telling all the horror stories of how badly things go wrong because of one wrong word or phrase or sentence -- they seriously put the fear of God into you.  And seemingly small errors like that can be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to fix down the road. 

I'm glad she has you, and I'm glad you're there to guide her.  And IMO you should feel completely free to advise her on financial stuff and make sure she understands all the options and consequences.  Throwing all her assets into the CA house basket and recasting the mortgage?  Uhhhh, no, really bad idea -- rent it out if it makes sense financially, sell it if it doesn't, but if you need to scramble to pay for the house once you're retired, you can't afford it.  Glad you're there to talk her out of stuff like that.  But when things start veering into who inherits what, or how to ensure she retains her home/pension in the event of a divorce, please send her to a lawyer to execute whatever it is she decides she wants.

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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2024, 09:59:01 AM »
As a CPA and financial advisor, I completely agree with Laura.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2024, 10:26:31 AM »
@Laura33 - I agree with you 10,000%.

But I can't just lean hard on GET A LAWYER  without first having a conversation about all the reasons why she NEEDS one.

She's 48, and didn't even understand that her pension could be considered community property, or why.

So I used that to ask "Which state are you planning to claim as your residency? You have real estate in three states (two community property, one equitable distribution), AND you're living abroad. This is complicated, and these are the things you need to think about."

She hadn't thought about his kid inheriting 50% of houses that she and the fiance purchased together.

She's totally clueless. So the fact that she's gone from not knowing about possible complications to being grateful that we're talking about these complexities is a Good Thing.

I asked if she had legal insurance through work, as the next step on this path. So yes - we're getting there.

Honestly, she needs a lawyer.  CA is a community property state, which means some of the rules and expectations can be very different.  For ex:  in my state, any property or assets owned prior to a marriage remain independent assets, unless they are commingled after marriage.  Is that true in CA?  I don't know, but I suspect not.  A lawyer can advise on both a prenup and a will, just to make sure that everything goes where they want things to.  And since they do this all the time, they are really good at asking questions that you or she may not have thought of (like changing beneficiaries in pension plans -- there are hoops to go through if you want to leave things to anyone other than a spouse). 

I'm a lawyer, and I wouldn't advise a friend about how to ensure their assets go where they're supposed to.  Hell, I won't even do my own will.  And in CA?  And 2 other states?  And living abroad?  No thank you.

The thing about law school is that they're really good at telling all the horror stories of how badly things go wrong because of one wrong word or phrase or sentence -- they seriously put the fear of God into you.  And seemingly small errors like that can be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to fix down the road. 

I'm glad she has you, and I'm glad you're there to guide her.  And IMO you should feel completely free to advise her on financial stuff and make sure she understands all the options and consequences.  Throwing all her assets into the CA house basket and recasting the mortgage?  Uhhhh, no, really bad idea -- rent it out if it makes sense financially, sell it if it doesn't, but if you need to scramble to pay for the house once you're retired, you can't afford it.  Glad you're there to talk her out of stuff like that.  But when things start veering into who inherits what, or how to ensure she retains her home/pension in the event of a divorce, please send her to a lawyer to execute whatever it is she decides she wants.

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2024, 10:58:54 AM »
I think it's great that you're having all these conversations with her.
Yes, eventually she needs a lawyer but it's so much better to cogitate about the options when you're not worried about running up a lawyer's hours.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2024, 11:08:09 AM »
I’m late to the altar too and just asked my lawyer about this as we are considering it. He said “getting married in your position without kids and not planning to have any is the dumbest thing you could do. Have a ceremony with your friends and family but don’t get married.” He said all the laws and prenups in CA are subject to judgement, which is far from assured in worst case scenarios.

This same thing came up for my father when he was in his 60s. They bought a house together that she inherited and we kids got the savings/investments (which wasn’t much). Happily my broke mother also got a bump from his public employees pension which has been a godsend for us. His new SO wasn’t happy about that, but she had three previous marriages so had some practice in the arena presumably! Something else for your friend to consider given her fiancé’s track record IMO.

*edit: dad didn’t tie the knot, just had a party.

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2024, 01:10:55 PM »
+1 to Laura33 and 4tify. She absolutely needs a lawyer. There are many issues here that a lawyer who works in the area should be able to answer clearly. I see many red flags. One example is the implication that she gets to choose her state of residency.  I split my time between two states but in order to keep the state of residency that I want I have to spend at least half the year there.  Another red flag that has been identified is that laws govern pension rights. It’s great that you helped your friend identify key issues, but the best advice here is to hire an attorney.

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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2024, 01:53:04 PM »
Could you offer to go with her to a lawyer?


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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2024, 04:51:09 PM »
+1 to Laura33 and 4tify. She absolutely needs a lawyer. There are many issues here that a lawyer who works in the area should be able to answer clearly. I see many red flags. One example is the implication that she gets to choose her state of residency.  I split my time between two states but in order to keep the state of residency that I want I have to spend at least half the year there.  Another red flag that has been identified is that laws govern pension rights. It’s great that you helped your friend identify key issues, but the best advice here is to hire an attorney.

I understand the complexities. She does not. And she has a choice about where she lives; they've been swapping back and forth between CO and CA, with AZ being a rental house. Knowing that one state is community property and one is equitable distribution could very well have an impact as to where she chooses to live.

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2024, 04:54:16 PM »
Could you offer to go with her to a lawyer?

Unlikely. I think it's better at this point for me to surface issues, have her research them (as she is currently doing on the pension question - file at 50 for 1% and medical care? Or file at 60 for 2.1% and no retiree medical care?), and then have a conversation, so we can identify questions.

The good news is that she is starting to see why this is important; today she texted with "I am really glad that we can talk about these things. The last thing I would want is discord with stepson and SIL over the deceased dad's house." Welp - it hadn't even occurred to me that the house had been left to the fiance's sister, too.

Plenty to map out!

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2024, 05:30:21 PM »
They’ve already bought homes together. Presumably there is already some commingling of pre-marital assets. I’m less concerned with the pre-nup, especially as they’ve already discussed one and he has an interest in preserving his separately inherited real-estate.

Sounds to me like they need a Trust. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2024, 09:38:44 PM »
He has an adult son from a previous marriage, and a sister, who may have interest in his inherited house. She has a municipal pension (25+ years of service), *with* retiree health care, worth possible 7 figures.

She was considering sinking 6 figures into one of the joint houses and recasting the mortgage to make the rental cash flow better. Ahe had no idea about how that would commingle hundreds of thousands of dollars from her individually-owned house.

Yeah - I'm sticking with prenup.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2024, 09:50:08 AM »
He has an adult son from a previous marriage, and a sister, who may have interest in his inherited house. She has a municipal pension (25+ years of service), *with* retiree health care, worth possible 7 figures.

She was considering sinking 6 figures into one of the joint houses and recasting the mortgage to make the rental cash flow better. Ahe had no idea about how that would commingle hundreds of thousands of dollars from her individually-owned house.

Yeah - I'm sticking with prenup.

It’s not that they don’t need a pre-nup. It’s that they need an estate plan that considers the tax ramifications of even the very best outcomes. A pre-nup (or post-nup) could be part of that. But it’s a ridiculously narrow focus to look at only “what happens if this all blows to shit?”
What someone with their (implied) means, ie.. Bay Area house, AZ rental, inherited home, retirement plans plus plans to protect adult child from former marriage is far more comprehensive. It just isn’t a DIY or thing you crib together from free advice your friend found in an anonymous forum.

She needs professional advice & estate planning. Even the most loving, wonderful soulmates who’d never in a million years get divorced probably would benefit from the same given a similar set of circumstances.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2024, 11:00:25 AM »
You are a good friend to bring up things she hadnt even considered. If she is analytical most likely she will come to the same conclusion and retain an attorney. Even in the optimal situation(they marry stay together until one dies) There is enough complexity to think out the ramifications of different scenarios.when to retire. Where to reside (state and house). What happens if she dies first. What happens if he does etc. so a big picture estate person sounds best. Along w a list of specific questions and requests.

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2024, 10:28:32 PM »
He has an adult son from a previous marriage, and a sister, who may have interest in his inherited house. She has a municipal pension (25+ years of service), *with* retiree health care, worth possible 7 figures.

She was considering sinking 6 figures into one of the joint houses and recasting the mortgage to make the rental cash flow better. Ahe had no idea about how that would commingle hundreds of thousands of dollars from her individually-owned house.

Yeah - I'm sticking with prenup.

It’s not that they don’t need a pre-nup. It’s that they need an estate plan that considers the tax ramifications of even the very best outcomes. A pre-nup (or post-nup) could be part of that. But it’s a ridiculously narrow focus to look at only “what happens if this all blows to shit?”
What someone with their (implied) means, ie.. Bay Area house, AZ rental, inherited home, retirement plans plus plans to protect adult child from former marriage is far more comprehensive. It just isn’t a DIY or thing you crib together from free advice your friend found in an anonymous forum.

She needs professional advice & estate planning. Even the most loving, wonderful soulmates who’d never in a million years get divorced probably would benefit from the same given a similar set of circumstances.

We are not disagreeing.

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2024, 10:36:01 PM »
One side point: your friend may want to run the numbers on taking her pension earlier. GCC has some recent posts about taking social security early and investing it (assuming this is possible here) versus waiting for a higher payout (https://www.gocurrycracker.com/why-i-plan-to-collect-social-security-as-early-as-possible/). The pension rate of increase looks somewhat similar to SS, but the X factors are age, medical pre-Medicare, and life expectancy.

The actual situation with multiple/comingled properties, multiple marriages and children (for the monsieur, at least), multiple states, and multiple countries looks like a shitshow waiting to happen. Poor man's solution is to live in sin but that ship has sailed, from your description.   

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2024, 04:30:48 PM »
It seems like the biggest question to answer is: have they considered whether they have good reasons for why to get married in the first place? Being in love and planning to spend your lives together by itself isn't a good enough reason. When the couple is planning to have kids together, that is a good enough reason. This scenario seems to create a lot of challenges with unclear advantages. I know, cultural expectations and all, but it's at least worth considering the realities of the situation.

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2024, 06:40:25 PM »
It seems like the biggest question to answer is: have they considered whether they have good reasons for why to get married in the first place? Being in love and planning to spend your lives together by itself isn't a good enough reason. When the couple is planning to have kids together, that is a good enough reason. This scenario seems to create a lot of challenges with unclear advantages. I know, cultural expectations and all, but it's at least worth considering the realities of the situation.

Taxes, health insurance & a visa. 
Seriously, do people not know about the SCOTUS Windsor decision? If they’re married, there’s no tax; if it wasn’t really a marriage, Windsor was going to have to fork over $300,000.  Affects federal income tax rates & RMD calculations.  Apparently, there’s some free healthcare and a desire for them to live together overseas where only one has a job (and presumably has the work-visa thing sorted. They just don’t let you bring a Plus 1 unless there’s a marriage. 

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« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2024, 07:49:06 PM »

Taxes, health insurance & a visa. 
Seriously, do people not know about the SCOTUS Windsor decision? If they’re married, there’s no tax; if it wasn’t really a marriage, Windsor was going to have to fork over $300,000.  Affects federal income tax rates & RMD calculations.  Apparently, there’s some free healthcare and a desire for them to live together overseas where only one has a job (and presumably has the work-visa thing sorted. They just don’t let you bring a Plus 1 unless there’s a marriage.

WTF? She has insurance, and they don't need to be married for her to join him. But she's religious, and it's important to her. You're stretching for things that were not said, implied, or true.

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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2024, 08:10:07 PM »
It seems like the biggest question to answer is: have they considered whether they have good reasons for why to get married in the first place? Being in love and planning to spend your lives together by itself isn't a good enough reason. When the couple is planning to have kids together, that is a good enough reason. This scenario seems to create a lot of challenges with unclear advantages. I know, cultural expectations and all, but it's at least worth considering the realities of the situation.

Taxes, health insurance & a visa. 
I only skimmed the Wikipedia article of the Windsor case, but it seems like the taxes you're referring to are estate taxes, which now only apply to estates over $12mm. There can be tax savings from filing a joint tax return, which can be a consideration for getting married.
Health insurance- this is a valid concern that could be significant depending on your situation. Each couple has to decide whether that warrants a lifelong contract.
Visa- obviously this would be of utmost importance to those to whom it applies, but there was not any indication it applies to the couple at hand.

If I had a 7 figure net worth, which it sounds like both people of the couple here do, it would take more than low 5 figure tax savings for me to get married.

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2024, 05:04:26 AM »

Taxes, health insurance & a visa. 
Seriously, do people not know about the SCOTUS Windsor decision? If they’re married, there’s no tax; if it wasn’t really a marriage, Windsor was going to have to fork over $300,000.  Affects federal income tax rates & RMD calculations.  Apparently, there’s some free healthcare and a desire for them to live together overseas where only one has a job (and presumably has the work-visa thing sorted. They just don’t let you bring a Plus 1 unless there’s a marriage.

WTF? She has insurance, and they don't need to be married for her to join him. But she's religious, and it's important to her. You're stretching for things that were not said, implied, or true.

She has insurance in the US, but what about the country she will actually live in?

I don’t want to cast doubt on your (or her) assessment that she could join him abroad even without being married. But I’m a little cynical about someone being so out of her debt with her financial/legal/retirement matters in her home country but apparently being completely clued in about her status in a foreign country she’s planning to move to.

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2024, 09:31:39 PM »
I didn't say she could join him long term without being married. I know that she can join him short term - and she has. He is there only on a two year contract, and he's already 6 months into it.

For longer term, clearly marriage is the path, and it's the one she wants. Which is why outlining the complexities has been helpful for her.

Your commentary seems to imply she's out for his insurance; she's not.

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Re: Financial Advice for Friend's First Marriage
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2024, 11:00:28 PM »
Oh, that wasn’t my intention at all. What I meant is that moving abroad can be very, very complicated, and that having insurance in the US won’t help you much when you are in another country.

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Re: Financial Advice for Friend's First Marriage
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2024, 06:08:00 AM »
I don't think I'd want to be living abroad with my partner, without being married. Someone ends up in the hospital, has legal trouble, I couldn't even visit them or know their status. If
something happens and they are unable to make decisions you could not do that for them. Not to be morbid if the worst happened you would not even be able to claim the body. That wouldn't give me a lot of peace of mind.  There wouldn't be a whole bunch of same sex couples getting married after waiting for years  and years, many never intending to have kids, if there were not some benefit. Some of those benefits are intangible (married people live longer).
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Re: Financial Advice for Friend's First Marriage
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2024, 07:21:52 PM »

Taxes, health insurance & a visa. 
Seriously, do people not know about the SCOTUS Windsor decision? If they’re married, there’s no tax; if it wasn’t really a marriage, Windsor was going to have to fork over $300,000.  Affects federal income tax rates & RMD calculations.  Apparently, there’s some free healthcare and a desire for them to live together overseas where only one has a job (and presumably has the work-visa thing sorted. They just don’t let you bring a Plus 1 unless there’s a marriage.

WTF? She has insurance, and they don't need to be married for her to join him. But she's religious, and it's important to her. You're stretching for things that were not said, implied, or true.

Good lord, it was a response to the
“Being in love and planning to spend the rest of your lives together isn’t a good enough reason” comment above.
That’s a very good reason to get married. It’s one of the best. In terms of property ownership, inheritance, income tax status & RMD rates, there is a financial benefit to being married. When income tax rates reset in 2026, it’s going to be even more significant for 6-figure earners.