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JumpInTheFIRE

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Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« on: March 11, 2024, 10:33:49 AM »
After working toward early retirement for years I am finally ready to pull the plug on this job.  I am handing in my notice today or tomorrow with a target retirement date of 4/2/2024.  It's been a long time coming and it's pretty daunting but I'm super happy to be finally doing it!

I joined the MMM forums in August of 2015. At that time I had been saving diligently and have always been frugal but it was awesome to find out that I wasn't alone and that there were a lot of people working toward the same goals as me.  I hung out around here for a few years but by that point my savings and lifestyle were on autopilot and there wasn't that much left to optimize so haven't been around these forums for many years.  It's a little surprising to see how these forums and the FIRE movement in general have changed since I last checked in.  Forum posts like "Which ultra-expensive car should I buy?" and "which of my 9 streaming services should I cut back on?" seem shocking to someone whose last forum visits probably had threads about reusing Ziplock bags and what a frivolous waste paper towels are.  I have watched a few videos about the "death of the FIRE movement" and it's pretty obvious what's going on (FIRE gurus trying to  appeal to a wider audience so more people who are in the "But what if I don't want to change my lifestyle at all, I can FIRE too, right?" mindset are diluting the message) but knowing that and seeing in action are two different things.  It doesn't really change anything about my future but it's weird to see the movement mutate to appeal to the mass market.

I am 51 years old and single.  I have been working for my current company for the last 13 years and have amassed a nice stash that should last me the rest of my life.  Taking the plunge is causing some anxiety, mostly around healthcare.  I have been relatively healthy all my life and don't currently have any chronic conditions but the healthcare system in the US is messed up and having to buy my own insurance along with possible increased future medical costs in retirement is my big unknown.  For the past 10 years I have spent $25-35k per year but I'm not sure how that's going to look with medical costs included.  Hopefully, starting in 2025 I will be able to manage my income to get maximum ACA subsidies.  It seems like a lot of the people on this forum who have already taken the plunge are doing just fine with this aspect so I'm trying to be optimistic about it but having this big unknown is pretty frightening. 

The other scary aspect is the "what are you retiring to?" question.  I am a very introverted person without a ton of social contact so I will likely be doing a lot of things solo.  I do a lot of outdoorsy stuff (ski, hike, camp, fish, etc.) but I'm a little concerned that I might get sick of my favorite activities if I am doing them every day.  I have a pretty high tolerance for boredom so I'm pretty sure I'll be OK and I'll find new activities to do with the extra time on my hands but it's still a concern.

I'm mostly just posting this because only the people on this forum will really understand what I am doing and why I am doing it.  For instance, even though I have been talking about doing this for years my brother still is incredulous that I would leave my high-paying job to do nothing (in his view).  The COVID pandemic and other deaths in my family have only reinforced the idea that nobody knows how much time they have and why should I waste it working for an employer if I don't need to financially?  Others think I'm crazy (I'm not) and/or lazy (I am).  I just want ALL of my time to be MY time, grinding away at a 9 to 5 until you die seems like such a waste of life.  Despite the trepidation I am eagerly looking forward to my new lifestyle and I expect I will enjoy it thoroughly.  Thanks for listening!

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2024, 10:42:03 AM »
This is great news. Congratulations!

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2024, 10:50:44 AM »
Congrats!!! I'm an old school mustachian myself and am often shocked by many of the current spendy luxury oriented posts here but the original message is still valid. People will think you're crazy, lazy, must be bored/boring, cheap, poor,  etc etc but overtime they come to accept your "weirdness" and many will be excited and happy for you. If it's too much pressure or hassle to deal with people often negative response you can always say you're just taking a long sabbatical.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2024, 11:11:02 AM »
"But what if I don't want to change my lifestyle at all, I can FIRE too, right?" That sums it up brilliantly. Influencers in search of a wider audience will seek these people out. A view is a view, after all.

I also see people commenting along the lines of "I'm a single parent earning minimum wage with $20,000 in credit card debt, FIRE is only for the rich!" Which is true, to an extent. But just because FIRE advice can't be applied to every single person in every single situation doesn't mean it isn't right for some.

Anyway, enough ranting, congrats on your early retirement!

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2024, 11:55:13 AM »
Congrats!

I have a pretty high tolerance for boredom so I'm pretty sure I'll be OK

From one Gen X to another, I appreciate this quote.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2024, 12:04:39 PM »
Congrats!

I have a pretty high tolerance for boredom so I'm pretty sure I'll be OK

From one Gen X to another, I appreciate this quote.
Congratulations!  Best wishes on the new adventure.  Join clubs and find like minded adventurers.  Have more people to brag to.

My mind immediately went to meetings.  Yes, I can stay awake in most meetings too.  LOL

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2024, 12:08:23 PM »
Congratulations!  There's a "Class of 2024" thread that you may want to join.  I'm sure they'll cheer you on as well.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2024, 10:07:54 PM »
Congrats!!!!

Except for the age part (I'm a bit older) and fishing, it felt like I was reading a post I might of written, mainly the frugal and introvert part!

I'm in the 2025 FIRE class and totally anxious about ACA too.  I've had employer provided coverage all this time, almost never needed to use it but historically, stuff starts to happen illness wise later on in life...  Make sure to get a full workup before retiring!

Congrats again!

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2024, 10:32:31 PM »
ACA depends a lot on your state but our experience in FIRE with it has been great, and we have tested our ACA coverage (unintentionally of course) due to catastrophe. And it was great and we had no financial worry about that. We pay nothing in monthly premium.

Read the book Die with Zero’s take on medical expense. The author says it’s a bogeyman because there is no amount that you could save in a few additional years of work that would likely cover a catastrophic medical expense. So your alternatives in an extreme circumstance are government healthcare (ACA) or negotiating bills down (which should be done anyway).

Being fit is the best insurance money can buy (we also saw that when dealing with our catastrophe). Make it a priority to be as fit as you can be.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2024, 10:36:33 PM »
I just wanted to say congratulations.

I've got mixed feelings about the "lifestyle inflation" obviously we all need to spend intentionally. It's fine to find value wherever you find it, but I would love to hear more about people finding value in their own effort and flexing their stoic muscles to channel MMM of yore

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2024, 07:21:15 AM »
Congrats!  I've been OMYing for a couple years now.  I just haven't been able to bring myself to pull the trigger...  I've got plenty lined up to do, but the change from stashing to spending is a big one.  And the whole ACA thing scares me.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2024, 07:58:59 AM »
Congrats!

I have been OMY'ing for several years now, increasing my expenses per year 5 times in the process while maintaining a 4% withdrawal rate while working.

Honestly I sort of prefer my life now with a 60k / year budget than years ago only spending 12k / year.

Being able to spend money on nice things and services, reclaiming my time for pleasure activities instead of diy'ing everything, having money available for fancy mattresses, therapy, new shoes, etc is nice.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2024, 08:02:04 AM »
I FIREd in 2019 and was completely freaked out about the ACA. It's been great. We could have retired years earlier if I hadn't been so hung up on the healthcare aspect of retiring early.

We have so much more time to exercise and eat right, and we are so much less stressed than when we were working. I'm stronger, more energetic (and 20 pounds lighter) than when we FIREd. Our stash is up 25% from 2019.

We probably worked 5 years longer than necessary because of my worries about the ACA...when in fact it's the puzzle piece that has allowed a lot of people to FIRE confidently.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2024, 08:49:03 AM »
Congrats and welcome to the other side. I retired at age 55 in 2015. Health care was a major concern for my wife and me when we retired. Here is what worked for us. We are both mostly healthy with no chronic conditions. We manage our MAGI to be around $43K per year.  We chose a High Deductible bronze plan with an  HSA.  Over the last nine years, our highest monthly premium was around $200 and for the last few years it has been zero. We contribute $8K per year to our HSA which in turn reduces our MAGI by $8k per year. In our worst year, we paid a little over $3K out-of-pocket for medical care. We have never come close to our $7K deductible. We have accumulated over $60K in our HSA which we intend to use on Medicare premiums when we turn 65.

We were also concerned about what to retire to. My best advice is to have some sort of creative outlet. For me, it is designing and building furniture. My wife has her own thing. That along with exercise, travel and other hobbies keeps us content.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2024, 09:13:13 AM »
Thanks for all the kind words everyone!  Today I actually did it, minutes ago I sent my (boss's boss's boss) my resignation and will be leaving in 3 weeks, on 4/2/2024.  It's been a long road and it's weird to finally be reaching this particular fork and choosing freedom.  I feel like I have been beholden to employers all my life and I'm ultra excited to own my own time.  I probably would have been in a similar financial situation without MMM but I never would have had the confidence to retire early without this site. I want to thank Pete and all the posters on this forum for showing me that this was actually an option for me.  The FIRE movement is not dead, it's alive and kicking and I am living proof of that!

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2024, 10:00:01 AM »
CONGRATULATIONS!!! Bravo! FIRE is wonderful and I too am grateful for MMM and others’ guidance in how to win the game!

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2024, 02:02:26 PM »
Congrats!

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2024, 02:29:58 PM »
Congrats!

I've been FIREd a few years now, and health care really is the wildcard for me.

I believe there are competing schools of thought about whether to max out ACA subsidies vs. having an even income level throughout retirement (you can search the Bogleheads forum for some of these), but I landed on the side of maxing out ACA subsidies by using Roth funds to keep my MAGI down. I did a bunch of Roth conversions early on to build up a Roth I could draw from for several years.

I did run some numbers that made it seem like the best outcome is from either taking no subsidies (maxing out Roth conversions) or the highest possible subsidy; aiming for a middle-ground subsidy resulted in higher expenses.

Anyway. Enjoy your new retired life. And remember that many "you're crazy" statements actually hide an "I'm jealous".

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2024, 02:49:10 PM »
Congratulations on your pending freedom! You will love it.

I’m 53 and FIREd in 2022. It has been fantastic. We are using ACA and keep our income low to maximize subsidies. 2023 was our first year on ACA and we’ve not had any issues. I was nervous to see how everything played out at tax time, but it worked out exactly as I’d expected.

Do you plan to use COBRA for the rest of 2024?

Keep us posted as you work your way through the next few weeks.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2024, 02:57:07 PM »
I just want to follow your FIRE stories. I took 2019-2023 off after cancer, but went back this year to pay for expensive college for two kids. I called my time a smoke break, and it was a good long sabbatical. I’m not loving being back at work (1/2 time), but one more year (or 2 to access my 401(k) without penalty should get me through the tuition costs. I had a hard time not being bored because my DH was still working.

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Re: Finally pulling the trigger on the RE part of FIRE
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2024, 07:24:40 PM »
The other scary aspect is the "what are you retiring to?" question.  I am a very introverted person without a ton of social contact so I will likely be doing a lot of things solo.  I do a lot of outdoorsy stuff (ski, hike, camp, fish, etc.) but I'm a little concerned that I might get sick of my favorite activities if I am doing them every day.  I have a pretty high tolerance for boredom so I'm pretty sure I'll be OK and I'll find new activities to do with the extra time on my hands but it's still a concern.

Congrats! Enjoy the next phase of the adventure.

I'll chime in on the sporty bit above. First off if you are nerding out on those activities each one can take up a lot of time to get good at and progress your skills/experience. So if you rotate through your various activities you can avoid any particular one of them from getting stale.

Also as you age your ability to do active interests will decline and your recovery time between active sessions will increase. So each sporty interest ends up taking up more of the available active time you have. But, you'll need more non-physically active interests to fill in the time between. Things like reading, learning, volunteering, puzzles, modelling, etc... depending on what interests you.

I'll close with the idea that there is no perfect FIRE plan. Start with what seems to make sense. Give it a shot. Evaluate and adapt depending on how you feel. There is no wrong answer if you are feeling good about your life.