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Feeling rich
« on: July 09, 2015, 11:35:12 AM »
I'm surrounded by people who are always short on money, who live equal to or ever so slightly above their means, and who are (kinda) keeping their heads above water via 'windfalls'. It seems like every time they get "extra" money, it's a cause of celebration, and then it's looped into the cycle of barely keeping up with bills. This seems to lead to a cycle of always feeling like there's never quite enough money, stress, etc.

It seems so obvious, but: when you NEED extra money, no extra money is ever enough to feel rich. When you're doing great, though? The extra money is just icing on the rather fantastic cake.

Today's realisation: feeling rich is totally a mindset of having more than enough to meet your needs, and it's glorious. Every single windfall feels like riches dropping into our laps (or our investments). There's ALWAYS enough to go around. No stress. Glorious.

Why don't more people chose to live like this??!

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 11:48:26 AM »
Because they all feel safe that they are in the same situation as most other people they know.  To them it is normal, and normal is safe.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 01:09:19 PM »
It seems so obvious, but: when you NEED extra money, no extra money is ever enough to feel rich. When you're doing great, though? The extra money is just icing on the rather fantastic cake.

I'm doing pretty OK and I still feel like no extra money is enough to feel rich. I have 6 months (probably more like 9 now) living expenses saved up, maxing out all my retirement accounts, a nice healthy sum going into taxable accounts, and a pretty secure job.   It seems the better I do, the more insecure I feel about my finances. I suppose it's because I still have a ways to go before FIRE and I'm sure dropping in here, and other FIRE forums, doesn't help.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 01:14:16 PM »
Excellent question --- One answer is that many people just don't earn enough money.    It isn't that they just spend stupidly.     My daughter for instance was recently earning around $1,000 per month for many months.   Her bills included $350 for rent,  $80 utilities,  $180 car,  $180 food.  That left her with $100 a month for clothes,  laundry and misc.   Tight

She has since advanced to around $2,200 a month take home and I hope the frugal muscles she developed over time will put her on a 50% savings trajectory.   

So yeah,  it isn't all about eating out,  vacations,  car payments etc...   Some people have genuine tight budgets.   

Now for those of you in environments where people are earning 75K + in their 20s and 30s.   Well,   they are just dumbasses if their money is tight.   

Good for you for being one of the smart ones!

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 01:15:00 PM »
I feel pretty good financially, mostly on autopilot, but rarely get windfalls. There's talk of a bonus at the end of summer, so Im pretty excited about that. Windfall here I come!

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 01:47:30 PM »
"5 stupidest habits you develop growing up poor"

I think this article has some relevance to this topic. #4 pretty much drives your point home.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-habits-you-develop-growing-up-poor/

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 01:50:19 PM »
I think a lot of people don't choose to live like this because they don't realize that it's not about the money itself, but about the choices it gives you.  I learned early on that feeling like you have a choice--whether to go to work or quit, whether you walk to work or drive (or call a cab), can make all the difference between utter misery and happiness (or at the least cheerful resignation).  I know personally, I wasn't nearly as happy when I *had* to ride my bike to work every day, rain or shine, no matter how foul the weather, because I had no other choice.  But now, I choose to ride--and if I want to, I can choose to drive, or call a cab--and somehow that makes all the difference in the world, even when the weather is crappy.

I think most people think money is for things.  And so when they have it, they have to spend it on stuff that makes them feel good, even if it's only temporary.  I fall victim to that too, sometimes.  But I'm trying to remember that saving money so that I have choices in what I do and how I do it makes me feel much better than any new thingamabob.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 07:39:34 PM »
... Today's realisation: feeling rich is totally a mindset of having more than enough to meet your needs, and it's glorious. Every single windfall feels like riches dropping into our laps (or our investments). There's ALWAYS enough to go around. No stress. Glorious.

Why don't more people chose to live like this??!

I think it's partly because of how those people define what they "need."  IMHO, a lot of that is in their heads and all revolves around what they think other people have.  It's that "keeping up with the Joneses" crap.  Except now, it's not just the Joneses in the neighborhood.  It's also, most definitely, the Joneses they see -- and identify with -- in fictional TV shows.

And how clueless is that?!

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 08:29:40 PM »
A common issue is the size of reoccurring bills.  When a bill is every month it "feels" different than going to the store and spending the same amount.

If you get a more expensive apartment and car than you need, go with the $80 dollar iPhone plan rather than shopping around, have a cable with HBO and 8 ESPNs, it's pretty easy for a paycheck to disappear without feeling like you're blowing money.

Luckily, I have nor want any of those items.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 09:02:24 PM »
Excellent question --- One answer is that many people just don't earn enough money.   

Couldn't agree more.  Our country is a wonderful place to go out and make it on your own.  Thomas Stanley discusses how immigrants are disproportionately the entrepreneurs and risk-takers that become wealthy.  People that grow up in our country are conditioned to think that they're owed something and don't have enough drive to make it on their own.  Meanwhile hard-working immigrants come in and kick their tail and hustle their way to prosperity. 

Guess what?  Earning your way to prosperity is hard work that requires commitment and dedication.  Get out and make a "side hustle" that you can transform into a full-blown business someday and focus on adding value for society.  I think most of the folks on the forum would be FAR better-served by learning to grow their income and investing skills rather than focusing on cutting expenses.  Being wasteful is one thing.  Hyper-focusing effort on cutting expenses at the expense of creating value and earning more is a poor value-adjusted use of time to me. 

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2015, 02:58:59 AM »
it's a magic

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2015, 07:32:12 AM »
Excellent question --- One answer is that many people just don't earn enough money.    It isn't that they just spend stupidly.     My daughter for instance was recently earning around $1,000 per month for many months.   Her bills included $350 for rent,  $80 utilities,  $180 car,  $180 food.  That left her with $100 a month for clothes,  laundry and misc.   Tight

She has since advanced to around $2,200 a month take home and I hope the frugal muscles she developed over time will put her on a 50% savings trajectory.   

So yeah,  it isn't all about eating out,  vacations,  car payments etc...   Some people have genuine tight budgets.   

Now for those of you in environments where people are earning 75K + in their 20s and 30s.   Well,   they are just dumbasses if their money is tight.   

Good for you for being one of the smart ones!

Yeah, what Bob said.  It's easy for me to do because I make a shitload of money (by my standards, anyway).  But yeah, there are lots of people who make what I do (and more) and still don't have two dimes to rub together.  Have had a big spending year this year because of one-off expenses (50th b-day trip to Japan, $2500 certification course, new hot water heater) and vacations.  But we got it covered easily, and that's a great feeling, as the OP mentioned.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2015, 07:48:13 AM »
Feeling rich is probably fairly important to ever actually be rich. Even with high incomes you can spend it all & I know folks at several income levels that do, but I know plenty of folks who make very little, some by choice, others by circumstance currently that still outspend themselves. I know others that don't make much and save more than most; after having the necessities covered, it's about the person & how they choose to spend/save.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2015, 01:20:19 PM »
Some people are brainwashed into thinking they must spend. Often heard from friends and relatives: " I just got paid, we HAVE to go to the mall."
I used to try to tell people they should keep some of what they earn. I have given up.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2015, 06:01:58 AM »
I've had a change in mindset recently and I feel rich. I think it's knowing we have enough cash to live for a year if we weren't working. It's a relief to know that we have something to fall back on if we needed to.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2015, 10:08:02 AM »
The people we've associated with over the last decade consisted primarily of college students and recent graduates. There's quite a range, but for the most part they have student debt and don't make a lot of money. In comparison we're swimming in money.

It still seems like we have a long way to go, but we're now at the point where I can't think of any one expense (short of paying cash for a house) that could wipe out our savings. So I guess I'm starting feeling a bit rich.
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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2015, 10:15:43 AM »
I feel more like a David than I do Rich.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2015, 12:29:28 PM »
the black hole of desire
What a great line!

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2015, 02:07:05 AM »
It really is all relative, after a very low minimum is achieved.
As a student for ten years I lived from one tiny paycheque to the next. Once, a cheque was stolen in the mail and I barely ate for a week. Back then it was hard to imagine having anything "extra" ever. Say, $1000 in the bank. That would have made me feel rich, even though I still lived in a tiny rented room and ate mostly rice and bean sprouts.
Because those memories are so vivid, I always feel rich.
Got a bike? I'm rich! Got 4 pairs of pants? Rich!
And now . .  Got enough to live 6 months, got a house, etc. Rich!

For sure lifestyle inflation has happened. But less than it would have.

Learning young that wealth is relative and exists mainly in your head was a priceless lesson.

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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2015, 02:43:10 AM »
Interesting topic.

I quite often describe my reasoning for not buying things as "feeling poor at the moment" to friends and colleagues and it is something I should very much stop doing because it is a) almost certainly offensive to people who are actually poor and b) reenforces the idea that struggling financially is a normal state of being. When I say it, what I almost always mean is that I've not budgeted for that specific expense and have prioritised adding to my savings over buying whatever the item was. My spending priorities are 1) living expenses 2) a very small number of carefully curated luxuries that I believe add greatly to my quality of life 3) savings/investments 4) other luxuries.

I work with a lot of people who live pay check to pay check and I don't know how they manage. We get paid monthly and always just before payday they are researching their next large purchases while at the same time complaining about only having $12 left for the week.
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Re: Feeling rich
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2015, 08:26:58 AM »
Interesting topic.

I quite often describe my reasoning for not buying things as "feeling poor at the moment" to friends and colleagues and it is something I should very much stop doing because it is a) almost certainly offensive to people who are actually poor and b) reenforces the idea that struggling financially is a normal state of being. When I say it, what I almost always mean is that I've not budgeted for that specific expense and have prioritised adding to my savings over buying whatever the item was. My spending priorities are 1) living expenses 2) a very small number of carefully curated luxuries that I believe add greatly to my quality of life 3) savings/investments 4) other luxuries.

I work with a lot of people who live pay check to pay check and I don't know how they manage. We get paid monthly and always just before payday they are researching their next large purchases while at the same time complaining about only having $12 left for the week.

I think the 'feeling poor in the moment' is a really interesting statement, considering you're talking about not spending money on things that aren't worth the return (right? Unless I've misunderstood your post...). To me, not being poor is being able to buy the things I need/things that significantly improve my life. Spending money on non-priority things that don't improve my life would MAKE me poor, sure, but doing that wouldn't make me happier.

To me, feeling rich isn't about the money - it's the security and options. I live with my partner and our kid, we have a house, etc - financial obligations, basically. We have a lifestyle that can easily be supported on one salary. If we needed to, we could cut further. If we needed to, we could make mortgage payments on significantly less than what we're currently bringing in. We dress nicely, eat luxuriously, live in a gorgeous location we're happy to be in, and are near the people who matter to us, and none of that is precarious. Like, sure, we could lose the house via a complete collapse of the economy that left both of us completely and utterly unemployed for multiple years, but that's basically what it would take. So... if one of us decided we wanted a different job that required a pay cut? Or if we need some form of medical care? Or if my husband actually decided that his job was crap and he hated it and wanted a few months to find something he wanted to do? All of those are options, and there's no financial noose around our necks holding us to a situation we dislike. Enough money comeing in AND control of lifestyle inflation = freedom to make different choices if needed, basically. That freedom? Totally worth more than yearly vacations south that keep me chained to my cubicle the rest of the year.

And then, if we're in a situation where we're already saving 40-50% of our take-home pay, and then a bonus or return or whatever comes in, that's just icing on the very comfortable cake, rather than something desperately needed to keep us afloat. Complete abundance, basically. I like the mindset. (Of couse, the trick is to control lifestyle inflation while in that mindset...)