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Extended Warranties - never ever
« on: July 07, 2015, 07:57:22 AM »

I made a vow about 20 years ago to NEVER do extended warranties. Ever, on anything. Not on cars, not on appliances, not on HVAC systems, not on electronics, not on anything! Never ever agreed to paying for an extended warranty for the last 20 years.

My philosophy is that when you make this decision, you have to be all-in or all-out to make it work in your favor.  Meaning, never ever do any extended warranties. Ever, on anything and the money you save overall will more than pay for the few times you actually would use an extended warranty.

I figure extended warranty prices are set by a dude with a pivot table spreadsheet, wearing a pinstripe suit, sitting in a high-rise office in NYC. He knows the failure rate of his products and knows exactly where to set the extended warranty pricing to maximize profits. Yet, rarely have to pay a claim. Or, at least only pay claims on some acceptable standard deviation.  That's my theory. The fact is extended warranties are extremely profitable for businesses.

Examples where I skip the extended warranty are electronics, TV's, coffee machines, cars, tires (its called Road Hazard Warranty), home warranties, etc.

Another reason I skip them is they often have deductibles. And, many Home Warranty services are merely experts in telling you how your particular issue is NOT covered. Same with some car warranties.

So, after 20 years of making this vow, how did I do? I had a TV fail 14 months after I purchased it. It came with a standard 12 month warranty. I did not buy the extended warranty. I got burned on this purchase. So, I took the TV back to BestBuy. They refused to negotiate, replace the TV in good faith, or even offer a discount on a new one. So, I stopped shopping at Best Buy. Haven't been there in nearly 2 decades.  That was a $120 TV. No big loss and it was a tube type TV this is old school now anyway.

But, nothing else I've purchased in this timeframe has required a repair that an extended warranty would of covered.  So, I figure I'm way ahead financially.

Full disclosure, I work a desk job, but, I'm pretty handy with a tool box. Still, I've had to deal with very few "covered" product failures. Products do fail, but its typically after any extended warranty coverage would of expired.  I haven't had my paint clear coat fail on my car... Haven't had my cordless drill fail within 12 months of purchase... Haven't had the need to replace the glass coffee pot (yes, I was offered a replacement warranty on the glass pot)...Haven't had my 30 year Timberlane shingles fail in the first 24 months... Road Hazard warranty??? I have 3 cars, two boats, and a camper. I've had about 6 flats in the last 20 years. I plugged them all, filled the tired and moved on. I've never had a sidewall puncture that a Road Hazard warranty would benefit. Those warranties are about $10 to $20 per tire. I skip those warranties. Instead I use a plug kit to repair the 6 or so flats I've had over the last 20 years at a cost of about $10, in total. There's easily $300 to $400 in savings.

Bottom line: I think extended warranties are a complete waste of money. But, there will be failure on a product at some time. If you don't buy any extended warranties, I think the money saved overall, will more than pay for that failed product. Its an odds play. I've had success playing those odds.

I recognize everyone is not the same. I recognize someone, somewhere used an extended warranty to save on a $3000 repair. That's good. I've had $3000 estimates for warranty covered items. The dealers jack up the prices on warranty work. It likely could of been repair for lesser amounts. i.e. I have a Cadillac that needed a new rack and pinion. Dealer quoted $2400 using new parts. Independent garage quoted $1400 using remanufactured parts, I purchased a remanufactured part via mail order and with the use of Youtube, did the repair myself for $250.   Point is, even when you use your extended warranty, you likely could of had it repaired a lot cheaper if you didn't have the warranty and just shopped around or got creative.

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2015, 10:00:16 AM »
Yep, they are some of the worst deals offered.

The only exception I can think of, is that there is a dealer around here that offers an unlimited mile/year coverage plan for free on all new cars. Assuming the price of the car is the same between two dealers, that wouldn't be that bad of a deal. (assuming you were buying a new car)

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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2015, 10:30:46 AM »
Many credit cards offer built-in extended warranties on any purchases made with the card. Yet another reason to skip the manufacturer's (or retailer's) extended warranty. I have actually used my card's coverage, and it was fine. I called them up, they emailed me some forms to fill out, and a few weeks later I got a check in the mail to cover my out-of-pocket repair costs.

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2015, 10:38:42 AM »
Agreed. I'm the same way since I figure that my risk vs savings will average out in my favor over time. Plus I like to fix stuff myself. People in favor of warranties always like to bring up anecdotal evidence of one saving their skin but if they add up all the money they spent on warranties over the years that didn't pay back it would paint a different story. I also minimize insurance coverage for the same reasons.

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2015, 10:40:54 AM »
I'm wondering if anyone will step up to suggest why this would be a good financial choice.  I think the subject line says it all.

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2015, 10:43:17 AM »
I generally agree. However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini, I decided to pay $50 for the 2 year warranty when we purchased our $400 iPad.

It was advertised as "Drop, Crack, Spill" Warranty. Of course, about six months after we purchased my daughter dropped and cracked the screen. This is a $200 repair at our local PC shop.

I contacted the warranty people, they sent a pre-paid shipping label, replaced the screen, and shipped it back at no cost within one week. Pleasantly surprised they made it very uncomplicated. This example was definitely worth the upfront $50.

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2015, 10:51:10 AM »
However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

I highly recommend looking at non-apple brand products.  Most Android phones have non-glass screens that don't crack when dropped. :)  And I've dropped mine a lot to 'test'.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2015, 11:02:26 AM »
I believe you are correct sir, these have always struck me as a giant ripoff designed to pressure consumers just before they recieve a sought-after item they paid for. Just planting the thought that your object could fail earlier than you anticipate can cause anxiety about the purchase that was just made.

Thats why I research the most durable brands, and if I can I purchase through a supplier that has a great return policy like Kholes. Often times buying something from Kholes that Ive researched on Amazon provides the same sort of protection policy that you can buy at other retail stores as an extra.

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2015, 11:03:20 AM »
A nice side effect of this policy: It discourages you from buying expensive yet fragile products.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2015, 11:11:37 AM »
One time, 30 years back, we bought a fridge from Circuit City. Back then, they had some pretty slimy commissioned sales people. We told the guy multiple times that we didn't want the extended warranty, yet somehow it got slipped in on us. I don't remember when we finally figured it out, but when the fridge conked out after the warranty did (bad compressor), CC brought us a fridge to use while waiting for the part (I think it was weeks).

That same fridge went with the house 20+ years later, after 18 years as a rental. The only time an extended warranty worked out, and we had no intention of buying it!

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2015, 11:32:31 AM »
Well, yea. They are only offering you the warranty because on average they are making money on the deal. Meaning statistically you are losing money on the deal.

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2015, 11:41:35 AM »
Just to reiterate one of my points... I get a little wordy some times....

I know there are examples of when an extended warranty works out in the consumer's favor.  Iphone screens, appliances, etc.

My point is that if you never buy ANY extended warranties, you will come out ahead. Ahead of the occasional loss. (Like my crappy Bestbuy TV that broke 2 months after the free warranty expired.)  Yeah, I lost a $120 TV after only 14 months of use, but I've likely saved thousands in not buying any extended warranties over the years. Plus, Bestbuy lost a customer because they failed to stand behind their product. Which is another point. I try to only buy products with good track records.  i.e. Craftsman made tools. Forever warranty. Forever...

The cars, motorcycles, and pwc extended warranties are expensive. (in the thousands) I take car of my assets and know how to fix most issues that crop up.  i.e. Replacement ipad glass with a toolkit, via mail order, is less than $20. I would fix it myself. Its only a $200 repair, if you use the extended warranty. No one is really spending $200 on the repair. The consumer merely feels they saved that much.  Again, no disrespect to anyone that likes buying extended warranties. Its a choice you get to make at the checkout.

The refridge example is different. I can't replace a compressor because I don't have the license to buy the needed freon. So, that would of been a loss. But, not a total loss. I would of put the unit in my trailer and hauled to a repair shop for the work to be done.  I'm out a couple hundred bucks and an afternoon of time.

I think its an all-in or all-out type of mentality to see the best returns.  If you choose to NOT do extended warranties, you compromise your savings everytime you make an exception and buy an EW. 


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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2015, 11:46:42 AM »
I'm wondering if anyone will step up to suggest why this would be a good financial choice.  I think the subject line says it all.

Uggh, why would I defend this?  I never buy extended warranties, and I assume they are a bad deal.

But there is a way in which an extended warranty could make sense.  It's like medical insurance.  If you look at a recent doctor visit statement of benefits from your insurance company, you'll see the doctor's purported fee for the visit, which may be like $200.  You'll then see the fee that the doctor has agreed to accept from the insurance company, which is $50.  So, the cost is much less than what the doctor would charge you if you didn't have insurance.

The same goes for auto repair shops.  You take a car in, and they charge you $100 per hour for labor.  But they may only pay their guys $20 per hour.  some of that overage is the cost of the garage, tools, etc., but a lot of it is the profit margin.  The shop or dealership may be willing to take a significant reduction in their profit margin if repairs are needed in exchange for the guaranteed money they get from the extended warranty.

To be clear, I don't think extended warranties are priced in this way, and they are likely sold (successfully) almost entirely based on irrational analysis of the likelihood of expensive breakdowns.  But one thing Blue Cross does for you is turn a $200 doctor visit into a $50 one, and Honda or whomever has that same ability to do that through an extended warranty.

Still, don't buy them, because I seriously doubt that they're in fact worth it.


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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2015, 02:01:25 PM »
I have a $50k truck used to pull my trailer I live in full time. I paid 1700 to extend my bumper to bumper warranty from 36k miles to 100k miles. I already had a radiator replaced at 50k miles that wouldn't have been covered otherwise. That was $1300.

In general, especially cheap vehicles, no way I'd ever get a warranty. In my case, spending 1700 on a $50k+ truck, I believe it was worth it, even for the peace of mind.

Diesel trucks are very expensive to repair. If I had a fuel pump go out, it's like 1500. Fuel system is 10k-12k and it definitely happens. These engines are very expensive and the emissions garbage reduces reliability (and fuel mileage).

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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2015, 02:57:43 PM »
I generally agree. However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini, I decided to pay $50 for the 2 year warranty when we purchased our $400 iPad.

It was advertised as "Drop, Crack, Spill" Warranty. Of course, about six months after we purchased my daughter dropped and cracked the screen. This is a $200 repair at our local PC shop.

I contacted the warranty people, they sent a pre-paid shipping label, replaced the screen, and shipped it back at no cost within one week. Pleasantly surprised they made it very uncomplicated. This example was definitely worth the upfront $50.

I don't have any products of this nature, but can't you get a Lifeproof case or an otterbox or something? This is a lot of breakage!

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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2015, 03:10:13 PM »
I have a $50k truck used to pull my trailer I live in full time. I paid 1700 to extend my bumper to bumper warranty from 36k miles to 100k miles. I already had a radiator replaced at 50k miles that wouldn't have been covered otherwise. That was $1300.

In general, especially cheap vehicles, no way I'd ever get a warranty. In my case, spending 1700 on a $50k+ truck, I believe it was worth it, even for the peace of mind.

Diesel trucks are very expensive to repair. If I had a fuel pump go out, it's like 1500. Fuel system is 10k-12k and it definitely happens. These engines are very expensive and the emissions garbage reduces reliability (and fuel mileage).

More to my point. Your warranty coverage replaced a radiator for $1300. I have a Ford Explorer V8 and towing package and got a radiator from Amazon for $88 bucks. Took two hours of my time to put it in.  That Explorer has 260,000 miles on it now and runs strong.

More, more to my point. There are going to be product failures. If you had a radiator go out in less than 50k miles, you had a product failure. The cost of your extended warranty was not $1700. It was the cost of ALL extended warranties you purchased from the beginning of time.  And, my rationale is that if you add up the costs of all extended warranties and compare it to the cost to make reasonable repairs, you would come out ahead by not ever buying any extended warranties.

Having said that, if you are not handy with tools or would rather just pay for the assurance, that's cool too.


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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2015, 04:15:43 PM »
I got one on a car once. Waste of $1500. Warranty ran out and I never even had to make a claim. I was 22 and didn't know any better.

There was one time where I had like a $240 repair, and the deductible was $250 lol.

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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2015, 05:52:44 PM »
We must be the lucky ones then who ever bought an extended warranty and had it more than pay for itself. In 20 yrs, I've bought 3 car ones through our credit union, saving thousands, and have replaced an AC, 2 transmissions, and some weird part that was $534. No deductible.  I used to keep track, and we were plus a few hundred dollars over the 3 vehicles. We did have pretty great pricing though, a special credit union deal for members.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2015, 07:08:52 PM »
I have a $50k truck used to pull my trailer I live in full time. I paid 1700 to extend my bumper to bumper warranty from 36k miles to 100k miles. I already had a radiator replaced at 50k miles that wouldn't have been covered otherwise. That was $1300.

In general, especially cheap vehicles, no way I'd ever get a warranty. In my case, spending 1700 on a $50k+ truck, I believe it was worth it, even for the peace of mind.

Diesel trucks are very expensive to repair. If I had a fuel pump go out, it's like 1500. Fuel system is 10k-12k and it definitely happens. These engines are very expensive and the emissions garbage reduces reliability (and fuel mileage).

More to my point. Your warranty coverage replaced a radiator for $1300. I have a Ford Explorer V8 and towing package and got a radiator from Amazon for $88 bucks. Took two hours of my time to put it in.  That Explorer has 260,000 miles on it now and runs strong.

More, more to my point. There are going to be product failures. If you had a radiator go out in less than 50k miles, you had a product failure. The cost of your extended warranty was not $1700. It was the cost of ALL extended warranties you purchased from the beginning of time.  And, my rationale is that if you add up the costs of all extended warranties and compare it to the cost to make reasonable repairs, you would come out ahead by not ever buying any extended warranties.

Having said that, if you are not handy with tools or would rather just pay for the assurance, that's cool too.

Wow, so your Ford Explorer can tow 15,000 lbs? Give me a fucking break. I have a truck because I use it AS A TRUCK. I live full time in my 5th wheel I tow all over the country for work. I've made three 1,000+ mile trips with it in the last 15 months.

I bet in my 99 Camry my radiator isn't $1300 to replace. But that's because it's not a 2013 f250 and I am not stupid enough to compare apples and oranges in regards to vehicle maintenance.

Plus, this is the only vehicle I've ever purchased an extended warranty (or anything I can recall) so that is my total costs of warranty over time.

I can do much maintenance myself, I replaced suspension, changed a clutch on a motorcycle, shifter on a mustang, numerous things. That being said I also make more than most mechanics charge, so I'd rather pick up a few hrs at work to surf the net, than lay on my gravel driveway in the southern heat changing my radiator, during my free time.

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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2015, 07:24:18 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Mishimoto-MMRAD-F2D-11-Aluminum-Radiator-Powerstroke/dp/B00PXZAX2M

$875 for a new radiator, and I can promise you, it would be far more complicated than your old Explorer with how tight these new diesel engines are.

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2015, 09:07:13 PM »
http://www.amazon.com/Mishimoto-MMRAD-F2D-11-Aluminum-Radiator-Powerstroke/dp/B00PXZAX2M

$875 for a new radiator, and I can promise you, it would be far more complicated than your old Explorer with how tight these new diesel engines are.

As a (ex)diesel technician I can assure you that your truck is not special in regards to changing a radiator. It may have lines other than coolant like transmission or power steering but so does every other larger car made in the last 20 years. I personally helped a guy change his radiator on a 2011 f250 power stroke and it was a piece of cake.

Addendum: It is worth pointing out the you linked a "performance" radiator and most likely a local radiator shop could have repaired your original radiator.
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2015, 05:28:56 AM »
http://www.amazon.com/Mishimoto-MMRAD-F2D-11-Aluminum-Radiator-Powerstroke/dp/B00PXZAX2M

$875 for a new radiator, and I can promise you, it would be far more complicated than your old Explorer with how tight these new diesel engines are.

Dude, your radiator is covered under your base warranty. There's a TSB on it. Ford extended the coverage up to 100,000 miles. You might feel good about that $1700 extended warranty purchase for a $875 radiator, but you didn't need it for this repair. And even if you had no warranty, you would still come out ahead financially by paying to have the core repaired and replaced.  Which is more to the point of why extended warranties are a waste of money. But, like insurance, they sure make the consumer feel good about it when they have to use is. A win-win for the companies that sell them, as they are rarely used and consumers get a warm feeling knowing they have it.

Your prerogative on how you spend your money. As you said, you make more money that a mechanic does. So, spend it how you want.

But, we are getting off topic. As you said, you use that truck to support your work. Business related assets understandably use different reasons for warranty purchases. Having an asset out of service could mean loss of revenue. Completely different set of rules.

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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2015, 06:53:31 AM »
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My philosophy is that when you make this decision, you have to be all-in or all-out to make it work in your favor.  Meaning, never ever do any extended warranties. Ever, on anything and the money you save overall will more than pay for the few times you actually would use an extended warranty.

Agreed.  You have to go all in for the math to work, but unless you are insanely unlucky, the math does work out.  You also have to have enough money to deal with repairs as they come.  I know a lot of people love those warranties because they live paycheck to paycheck so they can't weather those flexible costs.  If they buckled down and had an emergency fund then it wouldn't be an issue. 

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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2015, 07:05:14 AM »
http://www.amazon.com/Mishimoto-MMRAD-F2D-11-Aluminum-Radiator-Powerstroke/dp/B00PXZAX2M

$875 for a new radiator, and I can promise you, it would be far more complicated than your old Explorer with how tight these new diesel engines are.

Dude, your radiator is covered under your base warranty. There's a TSB on it. Ford extended the coverage up to 100,000 miles. You might feel good about that $1700 extended warranty purchase for a $875 radiator, but you didn't need it for this repair. And even if you had no warranty, you would still come out ahead financially by paying to have the core repaired and replaced.  Which is more to the point of why extended warranties are a waste of money. But, like insurance, they sure make the consumer feel good about it when they have to use is. A win-win for the companies that sell them, as they are rarely used and consumers get a warm feeling knowing they have it.

Your prerogative on how you spend your money. As you said, you make more money that a mechanic does. So, spend it how you want.

But, we are getting off topic. As you said, you use that truck to support your work. Business related assets understandably use different reasons for warranty purchases. Having an asset out of service could mean loss of revenue. Completely different set of rules.

Keep smiling.

You have a link to that tsb? Only thing I have found regarding a radiator tsb was regarding the 6.4L diesel. I haven't found one for the 6.7.

Also, I'm barely half way to 100k miles, so it's definitely too early to see whether I lost or came out ahead




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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2015, 08:22:19 AM »
My philosophy is that when you make this decision, you have to be all-in or all-out to make it work in your favor.

I find this a very curious "or" statement. I can see why NEVER buying the extended warranty can pay off, but how does the opposite strategy of ALWAYS buying the extended warranty also pay off?

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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2015, 08:32:58 AM »
However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

I highly recommend looking at non-apple brand products.  Most Android phones have non-glass screens that don't crack when dropped. :)  And I've dropped mine a lot to 'test'.
+1. Do you ever see android phones with cracked screens? I don't believe I've ever seen a damaged screen. I've personally dropped my phone many times, including on concrete, and I've never had any issues with it. How many cracked iPhone screens have I seen? Quite a few. If your product breaks that easily, you should probably look into another product.

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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2015, 08:33:08 AM »
I agree with the initial poster, with one caveat: my car's extended warranty, which I didn't buy for the warranty.

This particular dealer offers an extended warrenty that, for my car, worked out to 100$/year for 5 years, and (key factor!) included roadside assistance (which I would have otherwise gotten CAA for, for a similar price...), so I got the warranty because I figured it was the price for roadside assistance that included the warranty, and not the other way around.

The car is now 4 years old, runs fine, and I've never made a claim. HOWEVER. My husband locked the keys in the car (twice), I locked the keys in the car (once), and we've gotten flat tires twice (on the side of a busy highway, with a baby in the car, in -20 degree weather, and they were there in less than 20 minutes). I will maintain that that was worth it for the roadside assistance (which is what I paid for), rather than as a warranty.

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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2015, 08:41:41 AM »
However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

I highly recommend looking at non-apple brand products.  Most Android phones have non-glass screens that don't crack when dropped. :)  And I've dropped mine a lot to 'test'.
+1. Do you ever see android phones with cracked screens? I don't believe I've ever seen a damaged screen. I've personally dropped my phone many times, including on concrete, and I've never had any issues with it. How many cracked iPhone screens have I seen? Quite a few. If your product breaks that easily, you should probably look into another product.

I dropped my Moto Atrix 2 in a parking lot from waist level and cracked up the screen. I've had three other Android phones that are still intact. Your mileage my vary. . . .

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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2015, 09:10:04 AM »
However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

I highly recommend looking at non-apple brand products.  Most Android phones have non-glass screens that don't crack when dropped. :)  And I've dropped mine a lot to 'test'.
+1. Do you ever see android phones with cracked screens? I don't believe I've ever seen a damaged screen. I've personally dropped my phone many times, including on concrete, and I've never had any issues with it. How many cracked iPhone screens have I seen? Quite a few. If your product breaks that easily, you should probably look into another product.

I dropped my Moto Atrix 2 in a parking lot from waist level and cracked up the screen. I've had three other Android phones that are still intact. Your mileage my vary. . . .

A sum of anecdotes doesn't let you make any valid conclusions.

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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2015, 09:12:09 AM »
I might make an exception for applecare+.

Also, on that note, you people seriously think that androids don't crack screens when dropped? That's a joke. There are tons of android phones and I've seen many with cracked screens. All the flagships for sure, since they're the most common - nexuses, galaxies, etc, seen cracked screens on all of em.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2015, 09:22:41 AM »
I've only bought an extended warranty once, on our most recent car.  It cost ~$2k, and extended bumper to bumper coverage + roadside assist from 4/50k to ??/120k miles (we'll hit mileage before time).  I'm not worried about mechanical stuff, I can fix all that crap, but cars today have so many electronic parts and pieces and you generally can't repair them, it's pull the module and replace.  Plus, they're a pain in the ass to troubleshoot.  So I don't feel to badly about it, one electronicy glitch over the next 120k miles can easily cover the cost of the warranty.  And, since my car and my wife's are the same brand, extending the roadside coverage on hers extended the coverage on mine as well, for free (my coverage had lapsed since my car is out of warranty).  Pretty cool. 

We'll see if I regret the decision or not, but since we plan on keeping the car past the end of the warranty period, it is nice peace of mind. 

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2015, 09:42:27 AM »
For the phone/iPad question... we've never bought warranties for our phones. For smartphones, we do buy cases that help protect - but the screens can still crack (my wife's had a cracked screen for almost 2 years, dropped a Galaxy S4 face-first onto gravel - but hey, it still works!). I think buying a case for an expensive phone is generally worth it - though you can of course question whether buying the expensive phone is worth it in the first place :)

We have an iPad  that was given to us, with the protection plan. We have used that plan b/c one of the kids jammed the charger in and mucked up the pins - so we got a whole new iPad. I think Apple products are generally overpriced, but if you do get one their plans are actually pretty comprehensive and reasonable.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2015, 09:47:07 AM »
I generally never buy warranties, but I bought an extended warranty on my car in the past and it was worth it for me. Complicated navigation system-- buttons stopped working, and it had to be replaced. Twice. Would have cost me much more than the warranty did.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2015, 09:55:12 AM »
I never, ever get the extended warranty on anything.  I always am not any type of handyman either.  But I am amazed at how many people see it as "essential" and cannot imagine not getting them when offered.  A friend of mine once had a job where she called people at home after making a big purchase (washers, dryers, refrigerators, etc) to try to sell them the warranties they turned down the first time.  She hated every minute of it, but obviously the company made money from the effort!

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2015, 09:57:44 AM »
I dropped my Moto Atrix 2 in a parking lot from waist level and cracked up the screen. I've had three other Android phones that are still intact. Your mileage my vary. . . .

A sum of anecdotes doesn't let you make any valid conclusions.

I was only aiming at the notion that Android phones somehow have invulnerable screens. It only takes one anecdote to shatter that. :)

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2015, 10:03:37 AM »
I dropped my Moto Atrix 2 in a parking lot from waist level and cracked up the screen. I've had three other Android phones that are still intact. Your mileage my vary. . . .

A sum of anecdotes doesn't let you make any valid conclusions.

I was only aiming at the notion that Android phones somehow have invulnerable screens. It only takes one anecdote to shatter that. :)

Haha oops. I quoted one level too far. That comment was directed towards Frugal Father and iowajes.

Gotta love proof by counterexample. Easy when it works out!

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2015, 11:58:24 AM »
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Do you ever see android phones with cracked screens?
 

Plenty.  Android phones are made by lots of manufacturers and some use glass screens too, like Apple.

I have had various iPhones and iPads and have never bought Applecare.  I busted one screen in 7 years and had it replaced for $200 - way cheaper than all of the Applecare plans totalled up. 

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2015, 08:43:23 PM »
Isn't health insurance and life insurance basically like an extended warranty for your body? Are you saying you don't have health insurance? :/

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2015, 09:10:30 PM »
I have had so many friends who swear by AppleCare. I try so hard to convince them that it's not worth it, but to no avail. They say "but I treat my laptop roughly, and the warranty is sure to pay off given that fact." Well, for starters you might be more careful with your things if you knew you would have to pay the full cost for any repairs. But even failing that, the math just doesn't work out.

Right now an AppleCare plan for a $1,500 laptop costs $250. That's one-sixth of the purchase price. The computer comes with a one-year warranty for no extra charge. The AppleCare plan then extends that warranty for the second and third year of the computer's life. After a year the computer has depreciated to perhaps $1,000, and after three years is worth maybe $500. So you're paying $250 for a repair plan on an item that has an average value of about $750 during the coverage period. That's insane! Even if something does break, the repair is unlikely to cost much more than $250, since the part will be outdated by the time the repair is needed. Much more often than not, you'll be better off investing that $250 and using the proceeds to pay for repairs or replacements as needed.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2015, 09:21:52 PM »
I was offered an extended protection plan on a $27 plastic kids' wading pool from Toys R Us. I said no without really thinking about it, then I asked about the terms and the employee was kind of vague about it. Who couldn't eat $27 for a non-essential item if it does crap out? I'd return it to the store if it broke the first time I used it or something like that.

I have a Moto X with a cracked screen. My husband cracked his iPad screen so when he got it fixed he bought a fancy case for it.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2015, 11:08:07 PM »
However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

I highly recommend looking at non-apple brand products.  Most Android phones have non-glass screens that don't crack when dropped. :)  And I've dropped mine a lot to 'test'.

My Android Moto X repair estimate: $200.
My brother's iPhone repair estimate: $50.

I was told that Apple products have so much more market share vs any other individual phone that replacent costs are dirt cheap.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2015, 12:31:24 AM »
Well, yea. They are only offering you the warranty because on average they are making money on the deal. Meaning statistically you are losing money on the deal.

That's how I feel about most insurance actually! I only keep car insurance due to that.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2015, 02:44:42 AM »
I'm wondering if anyone will step up to suggest why this would be a good financial choice.  I think the subject line says it all.

Well, it could be a good choice if you can use asymmetric information against the company, as fartface did:

However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

if you know that there's a 90% chance that you are going to need a replacement, and the warranty is priced at 10%, then you should totally get the warranty.

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Re: Extended Warranties - never ever
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2015, 07:35:44 PM »
Well, yea. They are only offering you the warranty because on average they are making money on the deal. Meaning statistically you are losing money on the deal.

That's how I feel about most insurance actually! I only keep car insurance due to that.

By that I assume you mean you have just liability coverage, not full body coverage, because liability coverage is legally mandated?


It's a little bit different with insurance though. Health insurance, as with any insurance, is statistically a losing battle. But, it insures you against a rare but worst or near worst case event. Medical bills can reach ridiculous amounts. Without insurance I, and many people, cannot afford the full sticker price. of some medical procedures

So long as you can afford the (near) worst case event, you shouldn't carry insurance. So full body coverage for car insurance is stupid if you can afford to a new to you car tomorrow (and most Mustachians do buy used cars and have some level of emergency fund, so I suspect most Mustachians can do this).

I didn't mention this for product warranties because most of the time if you can afford to purchase the item, then you shoudl be able to afford to replace it.


There is an exception which I forgot about as pointed out above,
I'm wondering if anyone will step up to suggest why this would be a good financial choice.  I think the subject line says it all.

Well, it could be a good choice if you can use asymmetric information against the company, as fartface did:

However, after my DH & kids dropped/cracked THREE iPods, 2 iPhones,  and an iPad mini

if you know that there's a 90% chance that you are going to need a replacement, and the warranty is priced at 10%, then you should totally get the warranty.

Of course, in these kind of scenarios, you're generally using past events to predict future ones. Sometimes the past will be a reliable predictor. Other times it will not. It all depends.