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Like many of the old timers around here I came to MMM via Jacob at ERE.  So it was to enthusiastic surprise that I noticed this Halloween morning that his ERE book hit #25 at Amazon (and #1 in 3 subcats lists RE Planning, Budgeting, and Business/Finance).   

I drifted over to ERE to see what was going on but didn't notice anything major which led me to Google and this article: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/a-26-year-old-set-to-retire-at-age-37-shares-the-book-that-shaped-his-mindset-about-money.html  Not much of an article but still interesting to see it drive sales at Amazon if that is indeed the factor.

ERE ended up being a bit too extreme for me in the long run (and his book has some dense parts for sure) but I'll remain ever thankful that it got me on track as soon as it did.  Which doesn't mean I don't still wish I found it earlier :) but just that I'm grateful and that I hope MMM is still working on his book!

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Whatever you do, don't read the comments.

(Same advice holds true for any article on the internet... )

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Ha! I was following Jacob's adventures before MMM set up shop. Perhaps that's why Mustachianism doesn't seem extreme to me, lol.

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The main complaint I see in the comments (I cannot help it, I like to see how the majority of the world thinks) is major health condition. Do these people not carry health insurance or does it not cover most expenses? Mine seems to.

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The main complaint I see in the comments (I cannot help it, I like to see how the majority of the world thinks) is major health condition. Do these people not carry health insurance or does it not cover most expenses? Mine seems to.
COBRA for full coverage was for me $600/person/month so 55% of my other required expenses moving me from $26,000 to $44,000 which does increase my investment kitty requirements by a ton.  My current insurance has an OOM of $5000, again moving me to $31000 which does not even count the cost of the insurance itself (most of which my employer covers thankfully).  I think those arguments are the most reasonable.   

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Nice!  I just checked - it is #23 now.

I haven't gone to the extremes JLF has, but reading ERE left me feeling empowered.  I hope all those Amazon sales spread the idea that opting out of consumption means you can opt out of your job sooner than you imagined.

Whatever you do, don't read the comments.

LOL - agree.

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2016, 02:27:41 PM »
ERE website is my bible

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2016, 02:47:36 PM »
It's a bit ironic that the ERE book is climbing the Amazon chart given that most of the content is accessible for free.


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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2016, 03:08:29 PM »
ERE website is my bible

+1

When I first started my journey, I read a bit of ERE and just thought of it as a more extreme version of mustachianism.  As time went on, I found myself moving up Jacob's personal finance Wheaton scale (which I dont think existed yet, except in his head).  I wasn't sure why, but for some reason his old stuff started to really resonate with me.  Over the past year, I've burned through his book and a ton of old and new discussions over there.  I loved every minute of it.  I guess I should register and start commenting, but I almost hate to ruin it by trying to contribute... or maybe I just heart all of you too much to post around on ya.

Awesome to see his book up there!

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2016, 03:35:02 PM »
I met someone on the subway because I was reading my library copy! She was a librarian and forum member here and wanted to take a photo.

I appreciate the systematic thinking and factoring in second-order effects. Plus, my optional spending and housing requirements are closer to ERE than MMM. I enjoy the MMM forums more, though.

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2016, 06:28:36 PM »
I enjoy the MMM forums more, though.

Plus the singles pages here have personal ad's from romance writers!

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2016, 07:16:33 PM »
I enjoy the MMM forums more, though.

Plus the singles pages here have personal ad's from romance writers!

LOL. Not anymore...

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2016, 11:06:31 PM »
The main complaint I see in the comments (I cannot help it, I like to see how the majority of the world thinks) is major health condition. Do these people not carry health insurance or does it not cover most expenses? Mine seems to.

Unfortunately, I have recent first-hand experience of how medical issues can sink your ship, however carefully you've steered it over the years. For me, it's a chicken-egg thing. I always had gold-plated health insurance through the Fortune 500 co. I worked for. Nice income, low insurance rates, most things covered, max out of pocket 10k, no problem, because I have a stash and still had hefty income coming in.

But lose the job due to medical disability, go onto half pay disability (if you're lucky, and that can run out or be denied by the long term disability insurance at any time), and get bumped to the Fortune 500 co's "retiree" rate plans... Wow, now instead of $400/mo for a family of 3, I'm up to $700/mo for the same plan. OOPMs are higher, and now I'm trying to keep my head above water with copayments and OOP expenses on my half pay disability... It starts to feel a little tenuous... especially if you're in an open-ended health situation where you don't know how long you'll be unemployable due to health (Yes, you can start applying for SSDI, but that can take years...meantime you need a roof, health care, and food).

I didn't see how it could happen before because I always (for decades) had the stability of a good job and (guaranteed, even with a health event) good benefits, and was always healthy before, but now that I'm watching those things slip away to some degree, I can see how people lose the things they worked so hard for over the years when they have the misfortune of an extended health care crisis--and, goodness, especially before the ACA. Get sick, lose job, lose insurance, and try going onto the open market and getting insurance with a pre existing condition. Nope. 

Now I'm nervously watching those ACA exchange plan rates go up, wondering if and when I'll need to shop for one (when I get the heave ho out of my co's "retiree" plan), what that'll cost, what the OOPM will be, whether I can keep my really good doctors on any new plan I can afford (integral: good docs who you trust, who know you, you've built up relationships and history with--when you get really sick you don't want to start back at Square 1 with "luck of the draw" doctor).

Honestly, it sucks, and until you're in the throes of it, it's hard to understand. That used to be me too.

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2016, 04:32:26 AM »
I enjoy the MMM forums more, though.

Plus the singles pages here have personal ad's from romance writers!

LOL. Not anymore...

Oooo... is this the beginning of a new novel? The highly sensual suspense!

But lose the job due to medical disability, go onto half pay disability (if you're lucky, and that can run out or be denied by the long term disability insurance at any time), and get bumped to the Fortune 500 co's "retiree" rate plans... Wow, now instead of $400/mo for a family of 3, I'm up to $700/mo for the same plan. OOPMs are higher, and now I'm trying to keep my head above water with copayments and OOP expenses on my half pay disability... It starts to feel a little tenuous... especially if you're in an open-ended health situation where you don't know how long you'll be unemployable due to health (Yes, you can start applying for SSDI, but that can take years...meantime you need a roof, health care, and food).

Our health is the biggest wildcard for everyone, not just those folks who are retired.  Though I'll admit not having a good employer sponsored plan makes it a bit more risky from a financial standpoint, I just can't live life worrying that I'll end up with a chronic disease, IMO only increases the chances of it happening. 

I'm sorry to read aboutyour situation with it.

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 05:34:27 AM »
I somehow managed to completely ignore the fact that our library had a copy of ERE.  Reserved!  Unfortunately I'll have to wait a couple of weeks to get it.  I'm #11 on 4 copies!  Now that's a popular book!

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 02:35:10 PM »
Our health is the biggest wildcard for everyone, not just those folks who are retired.  Though I'll admit not having a good employer sponsored plan makes it a bit more risky from a financial standpoint, I just can't live life worrying that I'll end up with a chronic disease, IMO only increases the chances of it happening. 

I'm sorry to read aboutyour situation with it.
Precisely.  Getting a significant illness/injury you couldn't have avoided isn't within one's control.  Why worry about things you cannot control?

The alternative is presuming one is doomed and letting fear of what-ifs enslave you...effectively manifesting one's own dreary destiny.

I'll respectfully take the CHANCE at being happier.  I don't for a minute pretend there is such a thing as 'zero risk' for anything.

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 03:36:20 PM »
ERE is so important for spreading the FIRE message.  It's the extreme that makes MMM seem downright pablum. 

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 09:12:44 PM »
It's a bit ironic that the ERE book is climbing the Amazon chart given that most of the content is accessible for free.

:) I asked for the book as a gift, years ago, because Jacob mentioned somewhere that it meant something to him to have people actually buy the book, even though he was FI.  I'd gotten a lot from his blog and felt it an appropriate purchase to make/request.

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2016, 05:07:23 AM »
It's a bit ironic that the ERE book is climbing the Amazon chart given that most of the content is accessible for free.

I'm one of those people who much prefers to read paper, I retain the info better and don't enjoy cuddling up with a device. I reckon I'm not alone in that preference.

I just put it on inter-library loan since my library didn't have a copy. Woot!

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Re: ERE Book Climbing Charts at Amazon thanks to CNBC Article from one of us?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 08:46:18 AM »
It's a bit ironic that the ERE book is climbing the Amazon chart given that most of the content is accessible for free.

:) I asked for the book as a gift, years ago, because Jacob mentioned somewhere that it meant something to him to have people actually buy the book, even though he was FI.  I'd gotten a lot from his blog and felt it an appropriate purchase to make/request.

Not judging, I do sometimes enjoy a paper book. Come to think of it, the only books we bought in the last few years have been children's books. :P

I just feel like there are so many classics and good book written already, I could spend my lifetime reading great books and never buy one new again.