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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #700 on: October 11, 2015, 10:41:24 PM »
My story is having FU money provided a lever that I was able to use to get a 20% raise and overall stronger position at work a few years back.

At that point, I had 13 years of experience and many successful projects under my belt at my company. Although my work was well respected and I'd always received good reviews and slightly above average raises, because I had been there so long and what was happening with the outside market my salary was significantly lower than what the company would have had to pay someone to replace me.

I had pretty frank conversation with my boss about salary. He basically agreed that I should be paid the number I put forth, but he needed to get approval from up the chain. Initially I was optimistic that I would be receiving a raise within a few weeks.

But then nothing happened. My boss, who works in a different city, was kind of avoiding me and when I did see him always had excuses for the delays. He was actually employing the playbook our purchasing department uses when a supplier tries push through a price increase.

After about 2 months of this I had a brief and polite conversation with my boss just before Thanksgiving. I told him I was just looking for a yay or a nay on the raise. He was very deferential and apologized for the delays. I think at that point he first understood I really was going to leave if I didn't get the raise. And while I had been patiently waiting for the decision, there was a limit to my patience.

But in any case nothing changed. A few more weeks passed and I still did not receive an answer. I only got more excuses about decision makers being busy with other things, travel, etc. So around 6pm a few days before Christmas, I gave notice to my boss and explained that in the new year I was not willing to work for less than the number we had first discussed.

My boss was noticeably unsettled and asked me if I had another job lined up. I didn't. I informed him I'd just planned to spend 3 months skiing in Colorado and after that I'd come back home and decide what to do. I was serious. This was my plan. At that point I had a certain amount of freedom because I had about 20x my annual spend saved in a variety of assets.

My boss started giving me some BS about the company missing on some financial targets due to soft sales, etc.. I had suspected this might be coming and had prepped for it in advance -- I volleyed back at him key figures and statements from the annual report that was released a few months earlier (it's a publicly traded company) that painted a rosy picture. Overall earnings and free cash flow were strong and of course were absolutely huge numbers compared to what I was asking for.

At that point my boss and the company sprang into action, finally! By 8am the next morning the raise was authorized effective immediately and I even got a promoted title which I didn't ask for or really care about because I still had the same job responsibilities.

The only reason I was able to pull off this gambit is because of my FU stash. I doubt any of my peers would have been able to do this without having another job lined up. As a group, they generally have affinities for F250's, vacation cottages and oversized surburban houses on large lots.

Depending on what the stock market does and my happiness with my job at the time -  I should be giving my final, non-negotiable(!) notice in 2-6 years.

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« Reply #701 on: October 12, 2015, 11:08:53 AM »
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Nice story. Thanks for sharing!

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« Reply #702 on: October 13, 2015, 05:02:02 PM »
My story is having FU money provided a lever that I was able to use to get a 20% raise...

The only reason I was able to pull off this gambit is because of my FU stash. I doubt any of my peers would have been able to do this without having another job lined up. As a group, they generally have affinities for F250's, vacation cottages and oversized surburban houses on large lots.

Depending on what the stock market does and my happiness with my job at the time -  I should be giving my final, non-negotiable(!) notice in 2-6 years.

This story makes me wonder if bosses take note of which of the underlings are stretched and have little leverage when they are thinking about who will get the real sh*t assignments. Is management that forward thinking?

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« Reply #703 on: October 13, 2015, 05:35:38 PM »
This story makes me wonder if bosses take note of which of the underlings are stretched and have little leverage when they are thinking about who will get the real sh*t assignments. Is management that forward thinking?

Many do.  A very kind and awesome boss I had once noted that I seemed to get anxious easily when clients got upset.  When I responded that it made me worry about my job, he asked if I had stashed much away?  His concern was genuine and I never saw him try to take advantage of someone, but if he makes the connection between job anxiety and financial security, you can bet his more machiavellian counterparts do as well.

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« Reply #704 on: October 14, 2015, 05:34:25 AM »
Yes I think this does happen.  In the past, I know I've seen management make decisions based on the fact that the employee has limited options, with an attitude of  "If they don't like it bad luck".
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« Reply #705 on: October 14, 2015, 08:33:48 AM »
My story is having FU money provided a lever that I was able to use to get a 20% raise...
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This story makes me wonder if bosses take note of which of the underlings are stretched and have little leverage when they are thinking about who will get the real sh*t assignments. Is management that forward thinking?

IMHO, it happens more purposefully in private or family-owned businesses but I believe it happens everywhere. I worked for one family-owned business where a family member kept track of that kind of information so it could be used when needed.

I grew up in a very rural, backwoods area where rules are often bent or broken depending on personal and business relationships. I have no doubt there are banks who would divulge financial information about employees to an employer if they were asked and if the employer did a lot of business with the bank. 
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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #706 on: October 14, 2015, 11:16:22 AM »
Some management knows who they can push and who they can't, others don't. My shop's general manager had to make the company owners stop dealing directly with employees a few years ago. They come out one time and wanted me to cut a corner to save money and make a deadline that also made it dangerous to do, I refused. They got real pissed and called the GM in from home to make me do it or fire me, he calmed them down (after much arguing) and got them to do it the right (safe) way, and told him ALL handling of employees has to go through him from now on (they where getting in a habit of coming out and pissing employees off, I was just the first one to tell them no). My boss actually thanked me for making a stand so that he could make that change. Took a year or two to stop getting dirty looks from them though lol

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« Reply #707 on: October 14, 2015, 11:24:05 AM »
On the other hand it's rather amusing to see someone who thinks the place can't run without them try to make silly demands or think they can get away with bad conduct end up in the office begging to keep their job. It's not always management that's the bad guy.

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« Reply #708 on: October 14, 2015, 11:25:47 AM »
This story makes me wonder if bosses take note of which of the underlings are stretched and have little leverage when they are thinking about who will get the real sh*t assignments. Is management that forward thinking?

Many do.  A very kind and awesome boss I had once noted that I seemed to get anxious easily when clients got upset.  When I responded that it made me worry about my job, he asked if I had stashed much away?  His concern was genuine and I never saw him try to take advantage of someone, but if he makes the connection between job anxiety and financial security, you can bet his more machiavellian counterparts do as well.

I've seen this happen several times: managers would give single parents heavier workload/crummier assignments/more attitude because they knew the employees couldn't simply up and walk away. An organization I worked for years ago was notorious for pushing people into "acting" management positions without extra pay until the position could be filled for real. Apparently it was legal for this to be done for up to a year. I asked a colleague why anyone would put up with this treatment, and she said that people with families to support and few opportunities to move into a better position elsewhere often had no choice. This solidified my determination to keep enough of an emergency fund to be able to walk away at any time.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #709 on: October 14, 2015, 02:10:28 PM »
My story is having FU money provided a lever that I was able to use to get a 20% raise...

The only reason I was able to pull off this gambit is because of my FU stash. I doubt any of my peers would have been able to do this without having another job lined up. As a group, they generally have affinities for F250's, vacation cottages and oversized surburban houses on large lots.

Depending on what the stock market does and my happiness with my job at the time -  I should be giving my final, non-negotiable(!) notice in 2-6 years.

This story makes me wonder if bosses take note of which of the underlings are stretched and have little leverage when they are thinking about who will get the real sh*t assignments. Is management that forward thinking?
I've seen this too, and it worked both ways; I had a job once where my less-experienced coworker kept getting assigned to overtime shifts even after I had repeatedly requested more overtime.  When I confronted the manager they told me that the coworker had children, and so needed the money more than I did...wtf?

Next round of layoffs, this coworker was spared in spite of less seniority and less productivity.  I believe they let some of us go because we were more likely to find good jobs.

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« Reply #710 on: October 14, 2015, 06:38:14 PM »
I've seen this too, and it worked both ways; I had a job once where my less-experienced coworker kept getting assigned to overtime shifts even after I had repeatedly requested more overtime.  When I confronted the manager they told me that the coworker had children, and so needed the money more than I did...wtf?

I've also seen that and it really sucked because some were under employed while the "guy with the family" was using it for stupid shit like terrazzo tile in his kitchen and a big SUV for this wife.

Just because someone "needs the money" doesn't mean it's for legitimate shit.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #711 on: October 15, 2015, 05:52:56 AM »
I taught one year of school when I was fresh out of college. It was one of the worst periods of my life as I was young, inexperienced, our state school systems sucks and I had 4 different principals in 6 months. I lived at home that year and saved all my money. At the end of the year I quit to travel the world for 3 months. My teacher friends were incredulous--I only needed one more year for "tenure"!

I love teaching and I substitute quite a bit. I've been a sub for for 5 years now. Every year I get asked to teach full-time and because of my FU money, I don't even hesitate saying NO. I love being in the classroom, teaching the kids, and walking away every day from the drama of working for the Department of Education in the People's Republic of Hawaii. I also only sub for teachers I like and respect and who leave me great sub plans.

FU money allows me to continue to love to teach!

Right on! I love being a college adjunct for the same reason.  I get to go and teach and have a great time but I don't have to worry about budgets and political drama!  My department head has asked me to apply for a full-time role but I already have a job I like reasonably well that pays way more...soo...no.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #712 on: October 15, 2015, 10:20:58 AM »
I have read this thread over the course of two days and a fire has been lit. I am more determined than ever to stash away my own FU money because you never know what could happen.

I just need to pay these stupid CCs off first, but with the help of my tax refund coming up I will hopefully be CC-debt free by April or May of 2016! Then I can really start building that stash and paying down some student loans.
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« Reply #713 on: October 30, 2015, 03:00:19 PM »
Have another (small) epic FU story, along the lines of FU money not having to be about quitting, but just standing strong.  I was pulled into the CEOs office by my boss, which peaked my interest, as that never happens.  Apparently, our company is going to be moving the office across the country, and as I'm the head IT person, I was one of the first told since I'll need to help plan and coordinate things.  Relocation assistance will be offered to everyone.  So in front of the CEO my boss asks if I'd be interested in moving to X location.  I just say 'No.'  We look at each other for a while as he's not sure what to say.  'Why not?  Nice city, nice area, etc etc'.  'No thanks'.  Then he finally says 'well, telecommuting might also be an option for you'.  'Yea, thought that might be the case' (in my head, not out loud).  The CEO and CFO both have families in school here, I know they're sure as hell not moving across the country.  The place we're moving to is actually a really good location, I wouldn't mind moving there at all, but I was willing to call their bluff in order to not box myself.  And I have been thinking about finding another job that would let me telecommute so I can live anywhere, or be nomadic, so this might work out even better.

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« Reply #714 on: October 30, 2015, 04:19:29 PM »
Have another (small) epic FU story, along the lines of FU money not having to be about quitting, but just standing strong.  I was pulled into the CEOs office by my boss, which peaked my interest, as that never happens.  Apparently, our company is going to be moving the office across the country, and as I'm the head IT person, I was one of the first told since I'll need to help plan and coordinate things.  Relocation assistance will be offered to everyone.  So in front of the CEO my boss asks if I'd be interested in moving to X location.  I just say 'No.'  We look at each other for a while as he's not sure what to say.  'Why not?  Nice city, nice area, etc etc'.  'No thanks'.  Then he finally says 'well, telecommuting might also be an option for you'.  'Yea, thought that might be the case' (in my head, not out loud).  The CEO and CFO both have families in school here, I know they're sure as hell not moving across the country.  The place we're moving to is actually a really good location, I wouldn't mind moving there at all, but I was willing to call their bluff in order to not box myself.  And I have been thinking about finding another job that would let me telecommute so I can live anywhere, or be nomadic, so this might work out even better.

Nice! By the way, it's 'piqued', not 'peaked'.

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« Reply #715 on: October 30, 2015, 04:21:00 PM »
... which peaked my interest...

Nice! By the way, it's 'piqued', not 'peaked'.

Doh, thanks.  I knew that didn't look right.

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« Reply #716 on: October 30, 2015, 05:06:05 PM »
Have another (small) epic FU story, along the lines of FU money not having to be about quitting, but just standing strong.  I was pulled into the CEOs office by my boss, which peaked my interest, as that never happens.  Apparently, our company is going to be moving the office across the country, and as I'm the head IT person, I was one of the first told since I'll need to help plan and coordinate things.  Relocation assistance will be offered to everyone.  So in front of the CEO my boss asks if I'd be interested in moving to X location.  I just say 'No.'  We look at each other for a while as he's not sure what to say.  'Why not?  Nice city, nice area, etc etc'.  'No thanks'.  Then he finally says 'well, telecommuting might also be an option for you'.  'Yea, thought that might be the case' (in my head, not out loud).  The CEO and CFO both have families in school here, I know they're sure as hell not moving across the country.  The place we're moving to is actually a really good location, I wouldn't mind moving there at all, but I was willing to call their bluff in order to not box myself.  And I have been thinking about finding another job that would let me telecommute so I can live anywhere, or be nomadic, so this might work out even better.

Well played, Sir.  Well played.

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« Reply #717 on: October 31, 2015, 03:29:43 PM »
I have read this thread over the course of two days and a fire has been lit. I am more determined than ever to stash away my own FU money because you never know what could happen.

I just need to pay these stupid CCs off first, but with the help of my tax refund coming up I will hopefully be CC-debt free by April or May of 2016! Then I can really start building that stash and paying down some student loans.
What about changing you tax w/h now and not wait until tax time for the money

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« Reply #718 on: November 01, 2015, 05:28:46 AM »
I have read this thread over the course of two days and a fire has been lit. I am more determined than ever to stash away my own FU money because you never know what could happen.

I just need to pay these stupid CCs off first, but with the help of my tax refund coming up I will hopefully be CC-debt free by April or May of 2016! Then I can really start building that stash and paying down some student loans.
Agreed you should pull ahead paying the CC.  If due a refund, you can change your exemptions amount upward and each is worth roughly $50 a month.   So,  change from 1 to 9 and you'll get an extra $400 a month in your paycheck that you can use to pay the credit cards down now.  In January, adjust exemptions to cover $600 in taxes per exemption.  For example, if you are at 1, and will get $1900 back,  change to 4 for the year.   You'll get your money in each paycheck, about $150 extra a month,  and won't give the government an interest free loan.

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« Reply #719 on: November 01, 2015, 09:41:35 AM »
Agreed you should pull ahead paying the CC.  If due a refund, you can change your exemptions amount upward and each is worth roughly $50 a month.

Wouldn't it only be $50/month if you're in the 15% tax bracket? If you're in a higher tax bracket each allowance you claim will reduce your withheld tax more.

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« Reply #720 on: November 01, 2015, 09:48:18 AM »
Agreed you should pull ahead paying the CC.  If due a refund, you can change your exemptions amount upward and each is worth roughly $50 a month.

Wouldn't it only be $50/month if you're in the 15% tax bracket? If you're in a higher tax bracket each allowance you claim will reduce your withheld tax more.
You are correct.  Was a few years ago when I did it.

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« Reply #721 on: November 02, 2015, 06:54:19 AM »
I know its stupid to do it, but I don't want to change it. For one, I'm always afraid that I won't have enough withheld and I'll owe the government money. Second, I'm afraid to being tempted to blow that extra money instead of saving it or using it to pay off debt. I just don't trust myself. If I have a big chunk of money to put on a bill all at once it's more satisfying to me than just chipping away at it. I know I should facepunch myself for that but that's how I am.
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« Reply #722 on: November 02, 2015, 07:43:14 AM »
I know its stupid to do it, but I don't want to change it. For one, I'm always afraid that I won't have enough withheld and I'll owe the government money. Second, I'm afraid to being tempted to blow that extra money instead of saving it or using it to pay off debt. I just don't trust myself. If I have a big chunk of money to put on a bill all at once it's more satisfying to me than just chipping away at it. I know I should facepunch myself for that but that's how I am.
I respect that decision.   Better to avoid any temptation and guarantee the CCs  get paid down.

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« Reply #723 on: November 02, 2015, 08:00:14 AM »
I know its stupid to do it, but I don't want to change it. For one, I'm always afraid that I won't have enough withheld and I'll owe the government money. Second, I'm afraid to being tempted to blow that extra money instead of saving it or using it to pay off debt. I just don't trust myself. If I have a big chunk of money to put on a bill all at once it's more satisfying to me than just chipping away at it. I know I should facepunch myself for that but that's how I am.
I respect that decision.   Better to avoid any temptation and guarantee the CCs  get paid down.

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Thank you Bikeguy. Anyways I have the CCs paid off now. I got a debt consolidation loan from LendingClub a few weeks ago and am only paying 10.98% interest instead of 20% and 25%. I just have the one CC with a balance of $820-something that is interest-free until July so I'm paying about $20 above the minimum to help pay it off in time. After I pay off the loan from LC, a PLUS loan and the remainder on my phone at tax time I'll have about $250/month extra to pay off that last CC and to really pay down my SLs. I'm hoping to refinance most if not all of my loans with Earnest as most of them are 6% or higher. A few are below 5% so depending on what rate I'm offered I might just refinance some of them.
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« Reply #724 on: November 02, 2015, 11:41:44 AM »
Have another (small) epic FU story, along the lines of FU money not having to be about quitting, but just standing strong.  I was pulled into the CEOs office by my boss, which peaked my interest, as that never happens.  Apparently, our company is going to be moving the office across the country, and as I'm the head IT person, I was one of the first told since I'll need to help plan and coordinate things.  Relocation assistance will be offered to everyone.  So in front of the CEO my boss asks if I'd be interested in moving to X location.  I just say 'No.'  We look at each other for a while as he's not sure what to say.  'Why not?  Nice city, nice area, etc etc'.  'No thanks'.  Then he finally says 'well, telecommuting might also be an option for you'.  'Yea, thought that might be the case' (in my head, not out loud).  The CEO and CFO both have families in school here, I know they're sure as hell not moving across the country.  The place we're moving to is actually a really good location, I wouldn't mind moving there at all, but I was willing to call their bluff in order to not box myself.  And I have been thinking about finding another job that would let me telecommute so I can live anywhere, or be nomadic, so this might work out even better.
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« Reply #725 on: November 03, 2015, 10:19:56 PM »
This story is not super awesome but this thread needs to keep going, so might as well tell it.

So Bob is a pretty new guy, but he has the knowledge to do the job.  Now there are two parts to his job, the most important 80% of it (part A) is what he needs to do and what management cares about.  First couple years go ok.  End of year three or four, Bob begins to slip up on part A while he works on pet projects and the 20% (Part B).  You see Bob likes working on B while it is only an enabler for A.  Anyway, this comes to a head when Bob gets reprimanded for screwing up A again while spending a ton of time on B.
Next Friday comes and after everyone is long gone, Bob cleans out his desk and sends an email to his boss which happens to be off that day anyway. He writes a pretty long manifesto about all the things that are wrong and how he was working to fix it. He ends it by saying that he resigns.

Bob works in a professional industry and two weeks notice is customarily the minimum and some give a month or more to help transition projects or train new people. We typically have a party or drinks or something to wish them well, etc. Now here is the weird part, we never see Bob again, EVER.  He sent the email and never came back. His boss called him and asked him to come in and help for a week with a transition.  Bob, politely declines, says that he left all company property and that there was no reason to come back.
I have seen countless employees leave in a few different companies, but Bob is the first to disappear into thin air.  I'd like to think he had a stash but no one will ever know!       

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« Reply #726 on: November 03, 2015, 10:30:30 PM »
I have seen countless employees leave in a few different companies, but Bob is the first to disappear into thin air.  I'd like to think he had a stash but no one will ever know!     

Great story!  I like to call that move "The Shawshank"... "the man up and vanished like a fart in the wind".

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« Reply #727 on: November 03, 2015, 11:27:57 PM »
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« Reply #728 on: November 04, 2015, 06:33:18 AM »
It's not FU money related, but similar:

When my friends and I were all 16-20 we all got a job at a new fast food store. There were 12 of us that included all positions from server up to assistant manager, it was great times and we rode into work together and had a blast.

They screwed over one of our friends on pay and refused to even look at it, so we all walked out. They had to close that location down for almost a week over $30 and a 15 minute review to find the error.
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« Reply #729 on: November 04, 2015, 09:04:27 AM »
It's not FU money related, but similar:

When my friends and I were all 16-20 we all got a job at a new fast food store. There were 12 of us that included all positions from server up to assistant manager, it was great times and we rode into work together and had a blast.

They screwed over one of our friends on pay and refused to even look at it, so we all walked out. They had to close that location down for almost a week over $30 and a 15 minute review to find the error.

This is AWESOME!!!

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« Reply #730 on: November 11, 2015, 04:43:30 PM »
They screwed over one of our friends on pay and refused to even look at it, so we all walked out. They had to close that location down for almost a week over $30 and a 15 minute review to find the error.

Ahh the power of collective bargaining

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« Reply #731 on: November 19, 2015, 12:15:52 PM »
Not quite epic, but the new boss wants to move everyone's offices around.  Everyone else has been "yes men" trying to curry favor.  I told him no thanks!  If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

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« Reply #732 on: November 19, 2015, 12:17:40 PM »

If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

Nice. made me chuckle.
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« Reply #733 on: November 20, 2015, 10:52:45 AM »
Not quite epic, but the new boss wants to move everyone's offices around.  Everyone else has been "yes men" trying to curry favor.  I told him no thanks!  If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

That will be delicious.
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« Reply #734 on: November 20, 2015, 11:51:12 AM »
This is probably my favorite thread on the forum.

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« Reply #735 on: November 20, 2015, 12:05:16 PM »
Not quite epic, but the new boss wants to move everyone's offices around.  Everyone else has been "yes men" trying to curry favor.  I told him no thanks!  If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

That will be delicious.

I am still surprised when bosses come up with these ideas, they are usually trivial kind of PITA events, but they are disruptive, take time, and add no value (usually). But they are astonished (!!!) if you speak up. It is the kind of thing that gets you labelled...

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« Reply #736 on: November 20, 2015, 12:11:59 PM »
Not quite epic, but the new boss wants to move everyone's offices around.  Everyone else has been "yes men" trying to curry favor.  I told him no thanks!  If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

That will be delicious.

I am still surprised when bosses come up with these ideas, they are usually trivial kind of PITA events, but they are disruptive, take time, and add no value (usually). But they are astonished (!!!) if you speak up. It is the kind of thing that gets you labelled...

Sweet.  I like labels!  I am always telling my wife to label the bags of meat before the go in the freezer!

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« Reply #737 on: November 20, 2015, 12:40:27 PM »
Not quite epic, but the new boss wants to move everyone's offices around.  Everyone else has been "yes men" trying to curry favor.  I told him no thanks!  If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

That will be delicious.

I am still surprised when bosses come up with these ideas, they are usually trivial kind of PITA events, but they are disruptive, take time, and add no value (usually). But they are astonished (!!!) if you speak up. It is the kind of thing that gets you labelled...

Sweet.  I like labels!  I am always telling my wife to label the bags of meat before the go in the freezer!

Hahahahahaha! You are so organized!

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« Reply #738 on: November 20, 2015, 12:58:31 PM »
Not quite epic, but the new boss wants to move everyone's offices around.  Everyone else has been "yes men" trying to curry favor.  I told him no thanks!  If he moves me anyway, when I resign next spring, I will tell him that it was because he moved my office just to mess with him...

That will be delicious.

I am still surprised when bosses come up with these ideas, they are usually trivial kind of PITA events, but they are disruptive, take time, and add no value (usually). But they are astonished (!!!) if you speak up. It is the kind of thing that gets you labelled...

So Close, it sounds like you have less than six months left.  A fun game would be to see how many labels you can pick up (difficult, disruptive, subversive, eccentric, wildly attired) before you quit.  You'll probably be able to pick up a ton just by saying what you really think and doing what you really want. 

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« Reply #739 on: November 20, 2015, 01:01:05 PM »
Fun as it sounds, no need to unnecessarily burn bridges.
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« Reply #740 on: November 20, 2015, 01:07:43 PM »
Today Mr. Mandalay reminded me of how I left my job prior to this one.

I was in upper echelon customer service for an entertainment company.  I loved the job, I loved my supervisor, and my coworkers were awesome.  However, my supervisor was involved in a very serious car accident and wouldn't be back for months while he was recuperating.  The powers that be did a little shuffling, and so Felicia came to preside over the group.

Felicia was the living embodiment of Dolores Umbridge.  She was all smiles and sweet voice, but she remains the nastiest person it's ever been my misfortune to know.  My group had heard horror stories about her for ages, and now we started to live them.  She wrote people up for the stupidest shit.  How stupid?  Try coming back from lunch 75 SECONDS late (yes, she counted).  Laughing while talking with customers ("you really must be more professional, dear"--this was me BTW).  She wrote one woman up for combing her hair at her desk.  And then of course the "dear."  There were regular outbursts of "Are you KIDDING me?!?!?!" coming over her cube wall.  And God, she nitpicked EVERYTHING, but management backed her up without question.  After roughly a month I didn't know whether I was going to go suicidal or homicidal, even though unlike my coworkers I'd only been written up once.  After Mr. Mandalay heard me coming in from work, slamming my purse on the counter and screaming "GAAAAAH FUCKING FELICIA!!!!" for the twentieth time he said over dinner "if you're that fucking miserable, quit.  We've got enough saved, we'll be okay for a while."

I was still nervous, so I vowed to myself that Felicia would have to do something heinous before I'd pull the trigger.  I only had to wait three days.  Felicia wrote me up for "dressing inappropriately."  This was a call center, so we could wear what we wanted as long as it was clean and in good taste.  I am the most conservative dresser on the planet.  The "inappropriate" garment in question was a University of Virginia sweatshirt.

Why did Felicia find it offensive?

She went to Virginia Tech.

I am TOTALLY not kidding. 

I stood up, ripped up the form and said "I quit."

"Dear, I don't think you can afford to quit," Felicia said.

I still remember beaming and saying "Actually, Felicia, I can" and the stunned look on her face as I left her cube.

I heard later on that Felicia ended up getting transferred to the Kansas City branch of the company.  I wonder how many people she wrote up for wearing Jayhawks shirts ...
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« Reply #741 on: November 20, 2015, 01:09:35 PM »
Fun as it sounds, no need to unnecessarily burn bridges.

Agreed.  I have been dropping a few more frugal hints, though.  Like how I am going to mount my own tires this weekend and how I butcher my animals for meat...


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« Reply #742 on: November 20, 2015, 07:00:35 PM »
Today Mr. Mandalay reminded me of how I left my job prior to this one.

I was in upper echelon customer service for an entertainment company.  I loved the job, I loved my supervisor, and my coworkers were awesome.  However, my supervisor was involved in a very serious car accident and wouldn't be back for months while he was recuperating.  The powers that be did a little shuffling, and so Felicia came to preside over the group.

Felicia was the living embodiment of Dolores Umbridge.  She was all smiles and sweet voice, but she remains the nastiest person it's ever been my misfortune to know.  My group had heard horror stories about her for ages, and now we started to live them.  She wrote people up for the stupidest shit.  How stupid?  Try coming back from lunch 75 SECONDS late (yes, she counted).  Laughing while talking with customers ("you really must be more professional, dear"--this was me BTW).  She wrote one woman up for combing her hair at her desk.  And then of course the "dear."  There were regular outbursts of "Are you KIDDING me?!?!?!" coming over her cube wall.  And God, she nitpicked EVERYTHING, but management backed her up without question.  After roughly a month I didn't know whether I was going to go suicidal or homicidal, even though unlike my coworkers I'd only been written up once.  After Mr. Mandalay heard me coming in from work, slamming my purse on the counter and screaming "GAAAAAH FUCKING FELICIA!!!!" for the twentieth time he said over dinner "if you're that fucking miserable, quit.  We've got enough saved, we'll be okay for a while."

I was still nervous, so I vowed to myself that Felicia would have to do something heinous before I'd pull the trigger.  I only had to wait three days.  Felicia wrote me up for "dressing inappropriately."  This was a call center, so we could wear what we wanted as long as it was clean and in good taste.  I am the most conservative dresser on the planet.  The "inappropriate" garment in question was a University of Virginia sweatshirt.

Why did Felicia find it offensive?

She went to Virginia Tech.

I am TOTALLY not kidding. 

I stood up, ripped up the form and said "I quit."

"Dear, I don't think you can afford to quit," Felicia said.

I still remember beaming and saying "Actually, Felicia, I can" and the stunned look on her face as I left her cube.

I heard later on that Felicia ended up getting transferred to the Kansas City branch of the company.  I wonder how many people she wrote up for wearing Jayhawks shirts ...
this was pretty awesome, even for someone who went to VA tech

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« Reply #743 on: November 20, 2015, 10:55:33 PM »
Worked as a mid-level manager at a Federal agency.  Organization did poorly on an inspection and inspectors pointed at a number of poor decisions by our Director-level leadership as the root cause.  Numerous subordinates brought the exact same issues to them prior to the inspection but the Directors always knew better.  They had a habit of taking credit for success and pushing blame for failures to others and were stressful people to work for, so I had already been looking at my options and planning an exit strategy.

Get called into a private meeting with one of the Directors who asked me to write a letter to HR saying it was my fault we did poorly on the inspection and request a demotion to a lower graded position because I was in over my head.  I declined.  He said that if I didn't then I would be let go.  I reminded him that I passed my probationary period and they had to prove cause to fire me (after the 1 year probationary period, you're supposed to have job protection).  The Director said that he had already talked to HR, that they can play paperwork games and let me go as a non-disciplinary action that would bypass the protections I'm supposed to get (unethical but not surprising from these people).  I told him to go ahead and do that. 

He was like, "No, you don't understand, we want to keep you.  You can keep doing the same stuff you are now but at the lower position.  In a couple years we can promote you back."

I said, yes, I understand that and, no, I will not write that letter to HR.  That I'd rather get let go than keep working for him.  Needless to say, he wasn't happy.

They do the non-disciplinary action and give me 30-day notice of termination.  Then they take away all of my job duties and move me into, essentially, a converted closet to work out of for the last 30 days.  I don't argue the move and use the 30 days to finish a bunch of coursework that had built up in a correspondence course I was taking.  Then HR notifies me that they will not give me the (mediocre) severance payment because I was being let go for poor performance.  I remind them that it was their choice to use the "non-disciplinary" method to let me go and, if they use that method, I get the severance.  I mentioned a few of the methods I could escalate the issue (congressional complaint, etc) and they quietly gave me the severance.

This is where the planning and exit strategy came into play.  Thanks to the non-disciplinary type of termination, I qualified for unemployment.  Thanks to qualifying for unemployment, I could sell the bank-owned foreclosure I had bought and fixed up a year prior for $120k profit and not pay taxes (usually you have to live in the property for 2 years to get the profit tax free).  I had also already lined up a place I could live for an extended period rent-free. 

So, in the end, I got $120k real estate profit tax-free.  I chilled out on unemployment for a bit over a year (this was during the downturn and I think unemployment lasted for 99 weeks or so), relaxed, traveled a bit, hung out with friends and played lots of video games.  I applied for jobs but only stuff that paid well and looked interesting, I was pretty picky.  Between unemployment and passive income, I was actually cash positive by about $3.5k/month.  A bit after a year one of the interesting jobs panned out and I've been doing that ever since.  Unhappy about all the shenanigans that happened but very happy of the line of action I took and being able to say FU.

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« Reply #744 on: November 21, 2015, 06:54:54 AM »
Worked as a mid-level manager at a Federal agency.  Organization did poorly on an inspection and inspectors pointed at a number of poor decisions by our Director-level leadership as the root cause.  Numerous subordinates brought the exact same issues to them prior to the inspection but the Directors always knew better.  They had a habit of taking credit for success and pushing blame for failures to others and were stressful people to work for, so I had already been looking at my options and planning an exit strategy.

Get called into a private meeting with one of the Directors who asked me to write a letter to HR saying it was my fault we did poorly on the inspection and request a demotion to a lower graded position because I was in over my head.  I declined.  He said that if I didn't then I would be let go.  I reminded him that I passed my probationary period and they had to prove cause to fire me (after the 1 year probationary period, you're supposed to have job protection).  The Director said that he had already talked to HR, that they can play paperwork games and let me go as a non-disciplinary action that would bypass the protections I'm supposed to get (unethical but not surprising from these people).  I told him to go ahead and do that. 

He was like, "No, you don't understand, we want to keep you.  You can keep doing the same stuff you are now but at the lower position.  In a couple years we can promote you back."

I said, yes, I understand that and, no, I will not write that letter to HR.  That I'd rather get let go than keep working for him.  Needless to say, he wasn't happy.

They do the non-disciplinary action and give me 30-day notice of termination.  Then they take away all of my job duties and move me into, essentially, a converted closet to work out of for the last 30 days.  I don't argue the move and use the 30 days to finish a bunch of coursework that had built up in a correspondence course I was taking.  Then HR notifies me that they will not give me the (mediocre) severance payment because I was being let go for poor performance.  I remind them that it was their choice to use the "non-disciplinary" method to let me go and, if they use that method, I get the severance.  I mentioned a few of the methods I could escalate the issue (congressional complaint, etc) and they quietly gave me the severance.

This is where the planning and exit strategy came into play.  Thanks to the non-disciplinary type of termination, I qualified for unemployment.  Thanks to qualifying for unemployment, I could sell the bank-owned foreclosure I had bought and fixed up a year prior for $120k profit and not pay taxes (usually you have to live in the property for 2 years to get the profit tax free).  I had also already lined up a place I could live for an extended period rent-free. 

So, in the end, I got $120k real estate profit tax-free.  I chilled out on unemployment for a bit over a year (this was during the downturn and I think unemployment lasted for 99 weeks or so), relaxed, traveled a bit, hung out with friends and played lots of video games.  I applied for jobs but only stuff that paid well and looked interesting, I was pretty picky.  Between unemployment and passive income, I was actually cash positive by about $3.5k/month.  A bit after a year one of the interesting jobs panned out and I've been doing that ever since.  Unhappy about all the shenanigans that happened but very happy of the line of action I took and being able to say FU.

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« Reply #745 on: November 21, 2015, 07:45:30 AM »
So Close ...
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« Reply #746 on: November 21, 2015, 07:53:05 AM »
I have been so close to quitting this year.  I am maybe 3yrs away from FIRE and have been interviewing with other companies.  I've had some offers but have decided it's not worth starting over in a new job.  I'll just hunker down and plow through the ever increasing corporate BS.
I have a decent engineering job with good benefits and I like the people I work with ... my peer level.
Unfortunately a few mini managers are experts at hen pecking and make the job in-fun. Also, the big company cultured rewards incompetence so, the managers tend to be corporate zombies ... walking about and muttering corporate-speak.
I feel like I am living in a Dilbert comic strip!

I am awaiting my turn to "retire". I need to come up with a fun, but constructive, FU event.



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« Reply #747 on: November 21, 2015, 07:14:03 PM »
It has taken weeks, but I have enjoyed reading this whole thread immensely.

I've walked off plenty of jobs with no safety net, but the one where I got to leave thanks to FU money is when I left my full-time job to go freelance. The company was dysfunctional and toxic, very dog-eat-dog culture dictated from the top, and stingy even with its most "valued" (as it were) employees. Always more and more responsibilities, loads of projects with unreasonable demands and deadlines, but never more money or recognition (except for the inept execs). You could rarely even take the vacation days you were allotted, yet you were expected to fall over yourself with gratitude for the peanuts you'd earned.

I kept the leaving process polite, friendly, and positive. When they called in need of help after I'd left, I told them it'd cost an amount more than 3x what I made as a salaried employee. They balked and freaked out. I wished them luck. They agreed to my asking price.

Even better: 9 times out of 10 when they call, I turn down the job.

As others have mentioned, one of the best benefits of FU money is the freedom to choose to say Yes or No.

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« Reply #748 on: November 21, 2015, 07:39:35 PM »

When they called in need of help after I'd left, I told them it'd cost an amount more than 3x what I made as a salaried employee. They balked and freaked out. I wished them luck. They agreed to my asking price.


Awesome. This is what I aspire to...

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« Reply #749 on: November 21, 2015, 08:06:21 PM »
Today Mr. Mandalay reminded me of how I left my job prior to this one.

I was in upper echelon customer service for an entertainment company.  I loved the job, I loved my supervisor, and my coworkers were awesome.  However, my supervisor was involved in a very serious car accident and wouldn't be back for months while he was recuperating.  The powers that be did a little shuffling, and so Felicia came to preside over the group.

Felicia was the living embodiment of Dolores Umbridge.  She was all smiles and sweet voice, but she remains the nastiest person it's ever been my misfortune to know.  My group had heard horror stories about her for ages, and now we started to live them.  She wrote people up for the stupidest shit.  How stupid?  Try coming back from lunch 75 SECONDS late (yes, she counted).  Laughing while talking with customers ("you really must be more professional, dear"--this was me BTW).  She wrote one woman up for combing her hair at her desk.  And then of course the "dear."  There were regular outbursts of "Are you KIDDING me?!?!?!" coming over her cube wall.  And God, she nitpicked EVERYTHING, but management backed her up without question.  After roughly a month I didn't know whether I was going to go suicidal or homicidal, even though unlike my coworkers I'd only been written up once.  After Mr. Mandalay heard me coming in from work, slamming my purse on the counter and screaming "GAAAAAH FUCKING FELICIA!!!!" for the twentieth time he said over dinner "if you're that fucking miserable, quit.  We've got enough saved, we'll be okay for a while."

I was still nervous, so I vowed to myself that Felicia would have to do something heinous before I'd pull the trigger.  I only had to wait three days.  Felicia wrote me up for "dressing inappropriately."  This was a call center, so we could wear what we wanted as long as it was clean and in good taste.  I am the most conservative dresser on the planet.  The "inappropriate" garment in question was a University of Virginia sweatshirt.

Why did Felicia find it offensive?

She went to Virginia Tech.

I am TOTALLY not kidding. 

I stood up, ripped up the form and said "I quit."

"Dear, I don't think you can afford to quit," Felicia said.

I still remember beaming and saying "Actually, Felicia, I can" and the stunned look on her face as I left her cube.

I heard later on that Felicia ended up getting transferred to the Kansas City branch of the company.  I wonder how many people she wrote up for wearing Jayhawks shirts ...

At my last job, our on-the-job training included a series of competency exams before we were given access to the computer systems. One exam involved writing some short computer programs, and a grader had to check the security of our programs. I had to get a new grader - the main grader wouldn't pass me because he attended Va Tech and I attended UVA.

I've seen UVA people do this to Hokies, too. Really, people. It's just a school. Let's all get back to making fun of West Virginia already.