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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3900 on: July 15, 2021, 03:10:20 PM »
I've noticed that at least half of the software dev jobs out there now are offering 100% remote work. I really don't know what these companies are thinking that they can force workers back to the office.

My roommate is being forced back in the office, where he spends the day on Zoom calls with other people who aren't at his location anyway.  It's ridiculous.

This is so accurate. I've been going back to the office a few days per week, but my customers are spread out all over the globe. We have no in-person meetings unless it's a rare big visit. It makes no sense; I can take a call from my apartment just as easily as I could from an office. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that our CEO doubled down and bought a new office building in 2019...

This reminds me of my previous job. We used to work shifts, where we had to be in the office at 8am (ok). Then we outsourced that work, and stopped doing shift things, but we were still expected to show up at 8am (🙄). The thing is, most - if not all - of my job involved working with people on the East coast or in Europe (I was based on the West coast) so I had non-stop calls in the early morning. Most of the time starting at 6am or 7am, sometimes (rarely) earlier, and back-to-back until 8 or 9am. So most days, I would show up in the office somewhere between 8:30 and 9:30am. Before that, I was online in the chat app.

My boss kept bitching about it and told me that if I couldn't be there at 8am, then I should come in before my calls and take them from the office. Main reason was that it looked bad for the rest of the team. Never mind that none of us actually needed to be there at 8am, and never mind that when I was showing up after everybody, I had already been working for 3 hours to their (or his) 30 minutes.

I always refused and there was nothing he could do about it except dinging me during my annual review.

Oh and since we were hourly, and our useless "shifts" ended at 5pm, he also got to pay me overtime lol.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3901 on: July 16, 2021, 11:21:53 AM »
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FU money has also given the willingness to look for a permanent job working from home. The pandemic forced everyone at my job to work from home starting March 2020 and most are still doing this. Despite the great success the company has had in this work model, they suddenly decided that we "do our best work together" and that all employees will be in the physical office at least three days a week. I loooooove working from home and there isn't anything about my job that requires being at the office. The forced WFH experiment has proven that it works. The only reason they want developers back is micromanagement. I applied for permanent home work. The CIO himself has to approve it. My reasoning was honest - preference. I have already told my boss that if it's not approved I'll just find a job at any one of the abundant remote development jobs that are out there now. We'll see what happens.

This is funny.  We have been working *mostly* from home since March 2020 also, except for the 15% of people who need to be in person to run equipment.  In the last few months, more people have been going in because they are vaccinated.  Lots of people love working at home - saves on commute, fewer distractions.

The company has been saying since May that we'll be returning to the office in September.  At least weekly, we are told to think about this and plan for this.  Also: they realize that WFH is attractive to many, so it will be allowed, for a maximum of 2 days a week.  In summary:
- plan for returning to the office
- discuss with your manager
- we aren't going to be specifying the details company-wide, you have to work it out for your manager
- it can be 3 days at the office/ 2 days at home, or 4/1, but you MUST be in the office at least 3 days
- but work it out with your manager :P
- (obvious lack of discussion about the 2 employees who live in other states - they were kept on FT after they moved away)
- obvious lack of discussion about how we have employees in Asia that we work with daily
- tiny bit of discussion (brought up by me) that new equipment is going into the building and we are losing office space.
- tiny bit of discussion about our growing COVID cases locally

But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?  I mean, I have late afternoon meeting with Asia 3-4 days a week, and I really don't want to be at the office until 6:30 or 7 pm 3-4 days a week.  If I take them from home, I can eat dinner while working...

Anyway, fun times.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3902 on: July 16, 2021, 12:02:00 PM »
This is funny.  We have been working *mostly* from home since March 2020 also, except for the 15% of people who need to be in person to run equipment.  In the last few months, more people have been going in because they are vaccinated.  Lots of people love working at home - saves on commute, fewer distractions.

The company has been saying since May that we'll be returning to the office in September.  At least weekly, we are told to think about this and plan for this.  Also: they realize that WFH is attractive to many, so it will be allowed, for a maximum of 2 days a week.  In summary:

Hah, I'm hearing the exact same wishy-washy stuff from my employer.

Fun fact: I was on-boarded to this company during the Covid WFH, and have never met another co-worker in person, nor seen the inside of an office.  Even still, I've been performing great, and have received sparkling perf-evaluations from the people I work with and report to.


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« Reply #3903 on: July 16, 2021, 12:25:02 PM »
After a lot of futzing around by HR, and with conflicting messages coming from various levels of management, it looks like I'll be full time remote once the dust settles.

The good thing about this company is that once they put a label on you, it tends to be non-removable, so once I get classified as a remote worker, that should be the end of it.

I save a lot of money by staying home. I've put 1,237 miles on my car so far this year. If I were driving to work, it would be 72 miles round trip every day, plus a $5 bridge toll.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3904 on: July 16, 2021, 04:04:03 PM »
But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?

At our company, no. Pre-covid I had the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Nobody kept track, so many people just worked fully remote.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3905 on: July 16, 2021, 04:32:11 PM »
But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?

At our company, no. Pre-covid I had the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Nobody kept track, so many people just worked fully remote.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3906 on: July 17, 2021, 08:07:53 AM »
But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?

At our company, no. Pre-covid I had the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Nobody kept track, so many people just worked fully remote.


Similar situation here. We're supposedly going to be back fully in person in fall, just in time for the big Delta surge, no masks and under 30% vaccinated. I do need to be there for one class (I'm one of the few vaccinated, and I'll mask). Trying to decide if I'll go in to work from my office with door shut and window open one other day, or not. No one will know, and I'd get the mission critical project I need to finish up done better and quicker from home.

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« Reply #3907 on: July 17, 2021, 10:08:43 AM »
But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?

At our company, no. Pre-covid I had the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Nobody kept track, so many people just worked fully remote.


Similar situation here. We're supposedly going to be back fully in person in fall, just in time for the big Delta surge, no masks and under 30% vaccinated. I do need to be there for one class (I'm one of the few vaccinated, and I'll mask). Trying to decide if I'll go in to work from my office with door shut and window open one other day, or not. No one will know, and I'd get the mission critical project I need to finish up done better and quicker from home.

Oh that is rough. If it were me I probably wouldn't go in either.

My employer has announced that all employees must be vaccinated by a specific date, and if they don't comply (or provide HR with a medical or religious reason otherwise) they will no longer be employed.  I'm surprised they took that step, but frankly I'm glad to see it and I hope more companies do the same.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3908 on: July 17, 2021, 12:14:28 PM »
But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?

At our company, no. Pre-covid I had the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Nobody kept track, so many people just worked fully remote.


Similar situation here. We're supposedly going to be back fully in person in fall, just in time for the big Delta surge, no masks and under 30% vaccinated. I do need to be there for one class (I'm one of the few vaccinated, and I'll mask). Trying to decide if I'll go in to work from my office with door shut and window open one other day, or not. No one will know, and I'd get the mission critical project I need to finish up done better and quicker from home.

Oh that is rough. If it were me I probably wouldn't go in either.

My employer has announced that all employees must be vaccinated by a specific date, and if they don't comply (or provide HR with a medical or religious reason otherwise) they will no longer be employed.  I'm surprised they took that step, but frankly I'm glad to see it and I hope more companies do the same.

What kind of religious reason can you have?

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3909 on: July 17, 2021, 12:58:16 PM »
But...is anyone REALLY going to be checking?

At our company, no. Pre-covid I had the ability to work from home 2 days a week. Nobody kept track, so many people just worked fully remote.


Similar situation here. We're supposedly going to be back fully in person in fall, just in time for the big Delta surge, no masks and under 30% vaccinated. I do need to be there for one class (I'm one of the few vaccinated, and I'll mask). Trying to decide if I'll go in to work from my office with door shut and window open one other day, or not. No one will know, and I'd get the mission critical project I need to finish up done better and quicker from home.

Oh that is rough. If it were me I probably wouldn't go in either.

My employer has announced that all employees must be vaccinated by a specific date, and if they don't comply (or provide HR with a medical or religious reason otherwise) they will no longer be employed.  I'm surprised they took that step, but frankly I'm glad to see it and I hope more companies do the same.

What kind of religious reason can you have?

Many orthodox Christians in my country oppose vaccination as a matter of principle (not just Covid, all vaccination). It's God's divine Providence that makes us sick or healthy. If God decides we're going to be sick, we can use all available methods to get healthy again, but if we get a vaccination we're basically playing God ourselves. They oppose insurance and seatbelts for the same reason.

In these orthodox communities outbreaks of diseases like measles and polio happen every decade. When someone ends up in hospital, the church community pays the medical bills.

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« Reply #3910 on: July 17, 2021, 04:40:48 PM »

Oh that is rough. If it were me I probably wouldn't go in either.

My employer has announced that all employees must be vaccinated by a specific date, and if they don't comply (or provide HR with a medical or religious reason otherwise) they will no longer be employed.  I'm surprised they took that step, but frankly I'm glad to see it and I hope more companies do the same.

What kind of religious reason can you have?

IIRC, Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed in principle to all vaccinations. Christian Scientists are opposed to medical interventions in general, and I *think* Jehovah's Witnesses refuse injections (along with transfusions, IVs, tattoos, and piercings) because they constitute mutilation of the body as created by God.

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« Reply #3911 on: July 17, 2021, 06:38:25 PM »
Proof that education is the most powerful tool on Earth, but still not powerful enough to neutralise the most powerful force on Earth, which is stupidity.

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« Reply #3912 on: July 17, 2021, 08:17:44 PM »

Oh that is rough. If it were me I probably wouldn't go in either.

My employer has announced that all employees must be vaccinated by a specific date, and if they don't comply (or provide HR with a medical or religious reason otherwise) they will no longer be employed.  I'm surprised they took that step, but frankly I'm glad to see it and I hope more companies do the same.

What kind of religious reason can you have?

IIRC, Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed in principle to all vaccinations. Christian Scientists are opposed to medical interventions in general, and I *think* Jehovah's Witnesses refuse injections (along with transfusions, IVs, tattoos, and piercings) because they constitute mutilation of the body as created by God.

I find it highly ironic that the name of the church is Christian Scientists. They certainly don't seem to embrace science.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3913 on: July 17, 2021, 11:19:55 PM »
If God decides we're going to be sick, we can use all available methods to get healthy again, but if we get a vaccination we're basically playing God ourselves. They oppose insurance and seatbelts for the same reason.

I don't understand why, if getting vaccinated or taking other reasonable precautions is playing God, going to the hospital is fine...Surely, if it's God's will that you get sick, you should also leave your recovery completely up to him, and not be interfering with the outcome he's decided on for you.

I feel it's because these people don't really have the courage of their convictions, when push comes to shove.  It's easy to refuse preventative care; you can choose to believe nothing bad is going to happen.  Not so easy to refuse treatment after you're sick and maybe staring death in the face.

(I know there are those who do refuse to go to the hospital.  I respect that a whole lot more, except when it comes to them refusing to take their kids...that's infuriating.)

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3914 on: July 18, 2021, 04:54:41 AM »


IIRC, Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed in principle to all vaccinations. Christian Scientists are opposed to medical interventions in general, and I *think* Jehovah's Witnesses refuse injections (along with transfusions, IVs, tattoos, and piercings) because they constitute mutilation of the body as created by God.

@AMandM , you are misinformed. I am not a JW but have a relative who is. They will accept IV's except for blood transfusions. No problem with injections (this person is fully Covid--as well as other--vaccinated), I don't know about tattoos and piercings but doubt that they are prohibited. Also the 'reasoning' you state is incorrect. The transfusion thing has to do with the "drinking of blood" that is a Hebrew prohibition (related to idol worship). I don't consider it the same thing but my relative and the JW religion does.

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3915 on: July 18, 2021, 05:19:42 AM »
If God decides we're going to be sick, we can use all available methods to get healthy again, but if we get a vaccination we're basically playing God ourselves. They oppose insurance and seatbelts for the same reason.

I don't understand why, if getting vaccinated or taking other reasonable precautions is playing God, going to the hospital is fine...Surely, if it's God's will that you get sick, you should also leave your recovery completely up to him, and not be interfering with the outcome he's decided on for you.

I feel it's because these people don't really have the courage of their convictions, when push comes to shove.  It's easy to refuse preventative care; you can choose to believe nothing bad is going to happen.  Not so easy to refuse treatment after you're sick and maybe staring death in the face.

(I know there are those who do refuse to go to the hospital.  I respect that a whole lot more, except when it comes to them refusing to take their kids...that's infuriating.)

This reminds me of that old joke about a person stranded on a desert island, convinced God is going to save them. A boat stops by and offers to help, and they tell the boat no, they're sure that God is going to save them, so they'll wait for God. Then a helicopter, a few other things... insert creative modes of transportation here. All of them are told no thanks, God is going to come save me. The person ends up dying and going to heaven, where they ask God what happened. And God says, "Well, I tried! I sent a boat, a helicopter, etc.! What more did you want?!"

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« Reply #3916 on: July 18, 2021, 08:30:04 AM »
That's like the joke where one prays to win in the lottery until finally one day God screams "At least play the lottery!"

If God decides we're going to be sick, we can use all available methods to get healthy again, but if we get a vaccination we're basically playing God ourselves. They oppose insurance and seatbelts for the same reason.

I don't understand why, if getting vaccinated or taking other reasonable precautions is playing God, going to the hospital is fine...Surely, if it's God's will that you get sick, you should also leave your recovery completely up to him, and not be interfering with the outcome he's decided on for you.
Not to mention that if God wants you to get sick, he can f*** well do it even if you are vaccinated! It's blashemy to think that a vaccination can oppose God's will!!!
(Also how do you know if the sickness cames from God or Satan?)

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3917 on: July 18, 2021, 09:11:06 AM »
Can we get back to epic stories?

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« Reply #3918 on: July 18, 2021, 10:08:31 AM »
Can we get back to epic stories?
Sure. Got one?

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« Reply #3919 on: July 18, 2021, 10:54:44 AM »
Can we get back to epic stories?
Sure. Got one?

Hah, should have expected that.  Ok fiiiiine.  Not super epic, but I was recently reminded of how having a stash gives you so many more options that you otherwise may never even see.

I went to 32-hour (4-day) weeks about 18 months ago at work.  My workload had been diminishing for a while, and I had been making good progress on savings, so I decided to take advantage of it.  So I took a 20% paycut, which was all well and good.  Then 3 months later the pandemic hit, putting a temporary (we'll see) stop to bonuses, which was another 20% cut, which was still ok.  Then mid-pandemic we bought a house and expenses went way up, which was still..... ok-ish.  But we also bought knowing there were renovations and changes we wanted to make, which are expensive, so I'm feeling a shortage of money for the first time in over a decade.

So I debated going back to 40 hours, which they would let me if I asked.  But I've also wanted to try out contract work, which is hard to get going when you have a full time job (and many hobbies).  But now I essentially have an extra day I can devote to it, so I started working on figuring out how the contracting world works.   I got my first potential gig via a recommendation from a friend, had a phone call w/ the owner, and what he's needing is exactly what I do.  Halfway through the conversation he asks me how much it would cost him to just bring me on full time, which caught me off guard and made me stop to think.  I turned him down (we're still going forward with contract work), because a) I'm not looking to commit to 40-hr full time employment, probably ever again, and b) I actually like my job and company (and the industry we're in), and am not looking to leave it quite yet.

It was a good moment for a couple reasons.  1)  I knew I didn't dislike my job, but didn't realize how much I enjoyed it until I was presented with an offer to leave, and didn't want to, and 2) I suddenly had several paths in front of me that I got to choose from, which just doesn't happen when you are (or feel) stuck in a job that takes all your time an energy.  Having a stash, if nothing else, just gives you breathing room to step back and take a look around.


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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3920 on: July 18, 2021, 01:33:47 PM »


IIRC, Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are opposed in principle to all vaccinations. Christian Scientists are opposed to medical interventions in general, and I *think* Jehovah's Witnesses refuse injections (along with transfusions, IVs, tattoos, and piercings) because they constitute mutilation of the body as created by God.

@AMandM , you are misinformed. I am not a JW but have a relative who is. They will accept IV's except for blood transfusions. No problem with injections (this person is fully Covid--as well as other--vaccinated), I don't know about tattoos and piercings but doubt that they are prohibited. Also the 'reasoning' you state is incorrect. The transfusion thing has to do with the "drinking of blood" that is a Hebrew prohibition (related to idol worship). I don't consider it the same thing but my relative and the JW religion does.

I stand corrected. Thank you, @kina!

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Re: Epic FU money stories
« Reply #3921 on: July 18, 2021, 05:02:42 PM »
@AMandM, I think my inner schoolmarm got the best of me, there. Apologies for the tone!

(I think I'll go write "I will speak in a kind manner" 100 times for penance...)

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« Reply #3922 on: July 18, 2021, 08:32:56 PM »
@kina, the tone sounded fine to me! No apologies (or lines) needed!

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« Reply #3923 on: July 18, 2021, 09:20:50 PM »
Just fyi, Christian Scientists often choose not to vaccinate but their is no requirement about it. The only requirement is actually that you follow the law in your jurisdiction about public health.

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« Reply #3924 on: July 19, 2021, 06:21:36 AM »
The fact that I have enough money now for leanFIRE is...increasingly turning me into a loose cannon at work, it seems.  (Might lead to an epic story eventually.  For now, I give you an anecdote.)

A few weeks ago I had a brilliant realization that I don't think would ever have come to me back in the days when I was more concerned about holding onto my job.  Context: The nameplates on our office doors consist of a plastic holder with a slip of paper, your name and title printed on it.  Normally Facilities staff come swap out the paper when an office is reassigned or a title changes.

But it's just a piece of paper.  Eminently self-replaceable...

And - my job title is so boring.  Hardly an incentive to continue OMY'ing, though my employer knows not that this is what I am doing.  But really, for my employer's own good, clearly my boring title is a morale / staff retention issue that needs to be addressed (she says virtuously).

Thought led to action within the hour, and thus...my new job title was born.

So far no one's noticed the change except a few people I pointed it out to, who found it hilarious.  I bet I can go literally years without anyone noticing on their own, especially since I retained the first couple of words from my official title.  You'd have to keep reading to notice, and who does that?  (I guess I will find out!)

My new title? Section Head, Dragon and Pixiedust Wrangling.

I still don't have any truly epic stories, but I did officially resign and pick a last day - Nov 4.  I note that my self-assigned title is still up on my office door, so this will mark about a year that I've been the Section Head of Dragon and Pixiedust Wrangling.

Mostly no one's noticed, but another Section Head - from the IT dept - did wander into my office one day and choked laughing.  I increased my internal estimate of her attention to detail (I don't know her well).  Also her sense of humour.

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« Reply #3925 on: July 19, 2021, 08:31:57 AM »
The fact that I have enough money now for leanFIRE is...increasingly turning me into a loose cannon at work, it seems.  (Might lead to an epic story eventually.  For now, I give you an anecdote.)

A few weeks ago I had a brilliant realization that I don't think would ever have come to me back in the days when I was more concerned about holding onto my job.  Context: The nameplates on our office doors consist of a plastic holder with a slip of paper, your name and title printed on it.  Normally Facilities staff come swap out the paper when an office is reassigned or a title changes.

But it's just a piece of paper.  Eminently self-replaceable...

And - my job title is so boring.  Hardly an incentive to continue OMY'ing, though my employer knows not that this is what I am doing.  But really, for my employer's own good, clearly my boring title is a morale / staff retention issue that needs to be addressed (she says virtuously).

Thought led to action within the hour, and thus...my new job title was born.

So far no one's noticed the change except a few people I pointed it out to, who found it hilarious.  I bet I can go literally years without anyone noticing on their own, especially since I retained the first couple of words from my official title.  You'd have to keep reading to notice, and who does that?  (I guess I will find out!)

My new title? Section Head, Dragon and Pixiedust Wrangling.

I still don't have any truly epic stories, but I did officially resign and pick a last day - Nov 4.  I note that my self-assigned title is still up on my office door, so this will mark about a year that I've been the Section Head of Dragon and Pixiedust Wrangling.

Mostly no one's noticed, but another Section Head - from the IT dept - did wander into my office one day and choked laughing.  I increased my internal estimate of her attention to detail (I don't know her well).  Also her sense of humour.
Damn, and now you have to change it. Translocating Section Head, Dragon, End of World and Pixiedust Wrangling or something like that.

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« Reply #3926 on: July 27, 2021, 12:35:55 PM »
This is not epic, nor is it a full story (yet). But if it becomes those things it will involve FU money, so I am posting it anyway.

My manager and the higher-ups want to introduce <NewFormalProcess> for something we regularly need to do (details don't matter). The process is actually something I agree with. Most of the actual work within the process will have to be done by me and a few others on the same level as me (and we are actually already doing it, except there is no formal process). Open question is how fast we should be able to do this process. Since I am currently already doing this work, I like to believe that I have a very reasonable idea about how long it takes. I am usually a reasonable person, unless someone pisses me off.

I suggested one week.

His reaction:
No, that is much too slow, we need to be faster. Like one or two days.
Me: There is no way we can do that reliably. Maybe in some trivial cases, but most of the time, the process requires coordination and discussion between a few people. And these people have a lot on their plates already. It can easily take a few days to hash this sort of thing out between all relevant persons.
Manager: You can just call a meeting at the same day with all relevant persons and discuss it then.
Me: No, we can't. Many people have very full schedules (you know, just like you). And also other work to do.
Manager: You can always call a same-day meeting. Just do it at 6pm.
Me: [speechless for a moment]. Most people leave long before 6pm. And I certainly don't want to work so late. If it's very rarely, ok. But even then, it needs to be planned, so not same-day. Many people (like me...) have private obligations.
Manager: We can force you to. We can order you to do overtime [note: saying this ("force", "order") is totally out-of-character for the guy].
Me: [now I am pissed] First, no, you can't. [1]
Me: And second, do you remember how we talked about problems with employee retention recently? I can tell you now that this won't help.
Me: And besides, it is definitely not usual that <Process> would even need to be completed within one week. Usually, we know about it at least roughly multiple weeks in advance. In all cases that I know where somethign sprang on us "suddenly", it was always because somebody (I am looking at you, higher-ups...) actually already knew about it but failed to pass it on in a timely manner.

The discussion continued a little but it became clear that we would not agree. We postponed it and will discuss it with all involved persons to also get their opinion.

[1]
This answer left him speechless for a moment. It has multiple levels (which I did not discuss with him):
First, legally, he can't force me to do overtime since my contract does not mention it and that means that he cannot demand it.
More importantly, he can't force me, because that is one thing that will surely make me quit on his ass (or maybe just ignore the demand and dare him to fire me -- a labor court would probably not look kindly on an employer who tries to force a father to work overtime, despite no contractual obligation. And while said father would actually have to pick his kid up from daycare).

This is actually the very first time that something at work made my mind jump to the "FU Money" concept, so it maybe sort of fits in here.


Let's see how it plays out. Whatever happens, FU money has already worked. I am definitely not worried about the outcome.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2021, 12:40:42 PM by WerKater »

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« Reply #3927 on: July 27, 2021, 12:53:48 PM »
Way to go! Great answer. Always helpful to read these and add to my store of stock answers to unreasonable demands.

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« Reply #3928 on: July 27, 2021, 04:36:29 PM »
This is an epic FU story! You held your ground in a situation when others would have cowered. Having the FU money in your back pocket freed you to have this conversation. Totally epic!!

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« Reply #3929 on: July 28, 2021, 01:09:57 AM »
Fuck yeah. That managers got some unrealistic expectations.

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« Reply #3930 on: July 28, 2021, 03:27:12 AM »
Well done @WerKater !

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« Reply #3931 on: July 28, 2021, 09:08:46 AM »
 @WerKater- you might enjoy Dr. Doom's blog, livingafi.com
 
On his run up to his first FIRE he documented his career experience that feels like your entry here.  He has many posts that go through his working life and the middle sections dealing with incompetent bosses with unreasonable time demands is extra good stuff, and his blooming sense of the power of FU money is documented.  Dr. Doom writes very well and it is an enjoyable blog, even though it is pretty old stuff by internet standards.

Maybe some other readers here might enjoy it so I figured I would post the link.   

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« Reply #3932 on: July 28, 2021, 12:19:55 PM »
Dr Doom is my favorite blogger, if that isnít sacrilege to say around these parts. 

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« Reply #3933 on: July 28, 2021, 12:57:44 PM »
Let's see how it plays out. Whatever happens, FU money has already worked. I am definitely not worried about the outcome.

Yeah, just knowing that you have options, other than just accepting whatever management tries to force onto you, often changes everything.

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« Reply #3934 on: July 31, 2021, 08:41:02 AM »
This is not epic, nor is it a full story (yet). But if it becomes those things it will involve FU money, so I am posting it anyway.

My manager and the higher-ups want to introduce <NewFormalProcess> for something we regularly need to do (details don't matter). The process is actually something I agree with. Most of the actual work within the process will have to be done by me and a few others on the same level as me (and we are actually already doing it, except there is no formal process). Open question is how fast we should be able to do this process. Since I am currently already doing this work, I like to believe that I have a very reasonable idea about how long it takes. I am usually a reasonable person, unless someone pisses me off.

I suggested one week.

His reaction:
No, that is much too slow, we need to be faster. Like one or two days.
Me: There is no way we can do that reliably. Maybe in some trivial cases, but most of the time, the process requires coordination and discussion between a few people. And these people have a lot on their plates already. It can easily take a few days to hash this sort of thing out between all relevant persons.
Manager: You can just call a meeting at the same day with all relevant persons and discuss it then.
Me: No, we can't. Many people have very full schedules (you know, just like you). And also other work to do.
Manager: You can always call a same-day meeting. Just do it at 6pm.
Me: [speechless for a moment]. Most people leave long before 6pm. And I certainly don't want to work so late. If it's very rarely, ok. But even then, it needs to be planned, so not same-day. Many people (like me...) have private obligations.
Manager: We can force you to. We can order you to do overtime [note: saying this ("force", "order") is totally out-of-character for the guy].
Me: [now I am pissed] First, no, you can't. [1]
Me: And second, do you remember how we talked about problems with employee retention recently? I can tell you now that this won't help.
Me: And besides, it is definitely not usual that <Process> would even need to be completed within one week. Usually, we know about it at least roughly multiple weeks in advance. In all cases that I know where somethign sprang on us "suddenly", it was always because somebody (I am looking at you, higher-ups...) actually already knew about it but failed to pass it on in a timely manner.

The discussion continued a little but it became clear that we would not agree. We postponed it and will discuss it with all involved persons to also get their opinion.

[1]
This answer left him speechless for a moment. It has multiple levels (which I did not discuss with him):
First, legally, he can't force me to do overtime since my contract does not mention it and that means that he cannot demand it.
More importantly, he can't force me, because that is one thing that will surely make me quit on his ass (or maybe just ignore the demand and dare him to fire me -- a labor court would probably not look kindly on an employer who tries to force a father to work overtime, despite no contractual obligation. And while said father would actually have to pick his kid up from daycare).

This is actually the very first time that something at work made my mind jump to the "FU Money" concept, so it maybe sort of fits in here.


Let's see how it plays out. Whatever happens, FU money has already worked. I am definitely not worried about the outcome.

Sometimes I wonder if these guys have ever been told no in a situation like this. Not just pushback (which is probably rare in and of itself) but a firm no. I know you say it's out of character with the manager but people in all of these situations that come up on this thread in general all seem to have similar reactions of total disbelief.

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« Reply #3935 on: July 31, 2021, 09:04:25 AM »

Sometimes I wonder if these guys have ever been told no in a situation like this. Not just pushback (which is probably rare in and of itself) but a firm no. I know you say it's out of character with the manager but people in all of these situations that come up on this thread in general all seem to have similar reactions of total disbelief.

Self-absorbed, selfish people rarely consider the viewpoint of others until said viewpoint hits them upside the head like a 2x4.

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« Reply #3936 on: July 31, 2021, 10:58:01 PM »
Saw this post on Reddit.

Title: My boss's secretary quit this morning after delivering breakfast.

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Man, if that isn't an epic FU story*, I don't know what is. A picture tells 1000 words here. :D


*Sure, we don't know for sure she had FU money, but whatever.


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« Reply #3937 on: August 01, 2021, 12:56:52 AM »
Saw this post on Reddit.

Title: My boss's secretary quit this morning after delivering breakfast.

Post:


Man, if that isn't an epic FU story*, I don't know what is. A picture tells 1000 words here. :D


*Sure, we don't know for sure she had FU money, but whatever.


Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/osndlx/my_bosss_secretary_quit_this_morning_after/

Looks like she made them a big favor if that is supposed to be breakfast.

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« Reply #3938 on: August 01, 2021, 02:17:22 AM »
Those are big bites. I bet she enjoyed them all!

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« Reply #3939 on: August 01, 2021, 08:58:18 AM »
Saw this post on Reddit.

Title: My boss's secretary quit this morning after delivering breakfast.


Looks like she made them a big favor if that is supposed to be breakfast.
Yeah, thought the same. That maybe count as teatime sweets or something, but not as a meal. Especially not the first of the day. I don't even want to imagine how much sugar is in there and what it does to your liver and diabetes if that is your first meal of the day.

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« Reply #3940 on: August 01, 2021, 09:27:59 AM »
Saw this post on Reddit.

Title: My boss's secretary quit this morning after delivering breakfast.


Looks like she made them a big favor if that is supposed to be breakfast.
Yeah, thought the same. That maybe count as teatime sweets or something, but not as a meal. Especially not the first of the day. I don't even want to imagine how much sugar is in there and what it does to your liver and diabetes if that is your first meal of the day.

I say this in gentle humor: I think you're missing the point. Even if she ate them it's a one-time, brilliantly delivered, epic message. She could have taken each bite and spit it out - we don't know and she's probably not telling.

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« Reply #3941 on: August 01, 2021, 11:49:57 AM »
And odds on she brought in a special treat for first thing in the morning/"breakfast"... then opened the box.

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« Reply #3942 on: August 01, 2021, 02:00:52 PM »
Saw this post on Reddit.

Title: My boss's secretary quit this morning after delivering breakfast.


Looks like she made them a big favor if that is supposed to be breakfast.
Yeah, thought the same. That maybe count as teatime sweets or something, but not as a meal. Especially not the first of the day. I don't even want to imagine how much sugar is in there and what it does to your liver and diabetes if that is your first meal of the day.

I say this in gentle humor: I think you're missing the point. Even if she ate them it's a one-time, brilliantly delivered, epic message. She could have taken each bite and spit it out - we don't know and she's probably not telling.

I didnít miss the point, I just found it interesting that someone called that breakfast.

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« Reply #3943 on: August 02, 2021, 04:50:57 AM »

I didnít miss the point, I just found it interesting that someone called that breakfast.

Guessing you haven't been to the US lately. If you saw what average Americans look like in 2021, it wouldn't surprise you, at all, that many here consider sugary donuts a completely normal 'breakfast.'

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« Reply #3944 on: August 02, 2021, 04:54:19 AM »

I didnít miss the point, I just found it interesting that someone called that breakfast.

Guessing you haven't been to the US lately. If you saw what average Americans look like in 2021, it wouldn't surprise you, at all, that many here consider sugary donuts a completely normal 'breakfast.'

yep. there's always a crowd at the krispy kreme.

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« Reply #3945 on: August 06, 2021, 11:27:44 AM »
Maybe I don't understand "FU money"... always assumed it was something like "I'm here because I get satisfaction out of [insert task]; I don't need the paycheck and won't blindly comply with superiors' orders if they're not the right thing to do".  How does burning bridges by doing something like eating someone's donuts become an "epic" move?  Even if that employee was mistreated for years, it's impossible for them to not appear petty by doing something like this.  Am I in the minority here?

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« Reply #3946 on: August 06, 2021, 12:09:57 PM »
Maybe I don't understand "FU money"... always assumed it was something like "I'm here because I get satisfaction out of [insert task]; I don't need the paycheck and won't blindly comply with superiors' orders if they're not the right thing to do".  How does burning bridges by doing something like eating someone's donuts become an "epic" move?  Even if that employee was mistreated for years, it's impossible for them to not appear petty by doing something like this.  Am I in the minority here?

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« Reply #3947 on: August 06, 2021, 12:11:26 PM »
Maybe I don't understand "FU money"... always assumed it was something like "I'm here because I get satisfaction out of [insert task]; I don't need the paycheck and won't blindly comply with superiors' orders if they're not the right thing to do".  How does burning bridges by doing something like eating someone's donuts become an "epic" move?  Even if that employee was mistreated for years, it's impossible for them to not appear petty by doing something like this.  Am I in the minority here?

FU money means you have enough resources that you can do just fine for long enough to get another source of income.  Obviously, if one is also FI, "long enough" = "forever".   It means you can afford to say "No." to things that you find unacceptable.

Was taking that bite out of the donuts petty.   Yes, it was.   But there's a truly important difference between a petty action by someone with power and someone who's been on the bottom and finally, FINALLY gets a chance to say FU in a way that gives them a chance to even the score.   Very few people would respond like that unless their management had been mean, cruel, petty, arbitrary, etc., for what seemed like an interminable period of time to the victim. 

Just quitting doesn't convey the message of "I hate your fucking guts you pathetic excuse for a human being".    Delivering their box of donuts with a bite taken out of each one -- probably an unpaid task they had to do on their way to work -- is a way to do that.   

The odds are 100 to 1 that the manager deserved to receive that message. 

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« Reply #3948 on: August 06, 2021, 12:29:05 PM »
I'm with @johndoe. This is the act of a petty bridge burner, not someone refusing an immoral order because they don't need the money.

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« Reply #3949 on: August 06, 2021, 12:34:08 PM »
Maybe I don't understand "FU money"... always assumed it was something like "I'm here because I get satisfaction out of [insert task]; I don't need the paycheck and won't blindly comply with superiors' orders if they're not the right thing to do".  How does burning bridges by doing something like eating someone's donuts become an "epic" move?  Even if that employee was mistreated for years, it's impossible for them to not appear petty by doing something like this.  Am I in the minority here?

In regards to the burning bridges part in general, I view stories on here like watching a movie. I would likely never do it myself, but I envision myself having the guts/wit to do something similar at a particularly rough job I had. I don't think I would ever have it in me to burn a bridge in some of these more extreme ways, but I have been in some tough situations and can see the appeal.

In terms of this particular one, I guess it depends on the situation. If she was specifically tasked with bringing breakfast for her boss I can understand it. In all my work situations, something like that would have been more communal, so I definitely wouldn't have done it if it could have felt directed at more than just my boss specifically. All in all, my response was dang, she got the message across that she was pissed.

I personally prefer ones where the response is directly related to the problem - a boss habitually overloads an employee, the employee finally says enough is enough and refuses, they are told there is no option, and then the employee quits, leaving the aggressive boss to hold the bag for everything. I guess it does seem a little less petty to me when they are directly tied to the problem and are a logical consequence of the action.