Author Topic: What should I do if I want to invest more than my usual monthly contribution?  (Read 3756 times)

somebody8198

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Hello, I have been reading MMM for years, but I am new to the forums, so go easy on me!

My question is about investment contributions to an index fund. I have more cash in an emergency fund now that I need because my spending is lower than expected, and I'd like to do something with this money. Is there any reason to prefer gradually investing (monthly or even less frequently) over buying in with a lump sum? I know that it's not important to care about the fluctuations of the market when investing via an index fund but I wasn't sure in this case if there was a reason to prefer making contributions gradually.

As a side note, how much cash should I keep in my emergency fund? I have a good sense of my annual spending. Do you keep just six months, as seems to be the standard advice? This seems very low to me.

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Lump sum has a higher expected return. There's no reason to wait.

The amount to keep in an emergency fund is up to you, 3-6 months is standard advice but it depends on your personal situation (how stable your job is, kids, etc.). If you feel 6 months is low by all means make it larger.

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Is there any reason to prefer gradually investing (monthly or even less frequently) over buying in with a lump sum?
Statistically, lump sum is best - but no guarantees.  See http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/nn/articles/Does-Market-Timing-Work

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As a side note, how much cash should I keep in my emergency fund? I have a good sense of my annual spending. Do you keep just six months, as seems to be the standard advice? This seems very low to me.
There is no "correct" answer to this one, except in hindsight - it is possible to have either "too much" or "too little".  Trust your instincts, and recheck those instincts every couple of years....

Six months is defensible.  Also,  three months is defensible, and so is 2 years, and so is "a couple of weeks plus access to credit."

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The lump sum train gets touted, but there definitely is value to dividing that sum into smaller extra contributions over x period of time. You expose yourself less to the market having a wild ride that day and you buying on a random high.

With regards the emergency fund, it also depends on your situation, and how volatile your job is. Most people will say between 3 and 6 months.

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I personally keep around three months expenses in cash, and don't think for people like "us" who save a large percentage of our income there's any reason to have more (unless maybe you are feeling you're going to be laid off soon).

Since I save around 50% of my take home pay, if I have an unexpected expense (say a very large one totaling the full three months expenses cash stash), it would only take me three months of foregone investments to replenish it.

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We have a similar issue. We've been sitting on some cash for 6 months. Waiting for... I don't know... but I'm scared of October markets. LOL so we will probably wait until November and do lump sum. Good luck w/ your decision!

somebody8198

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I personally keep around three months expenses in cash, and don't think for people like "us" who save a large percentage of our income there's any reason to have more (unless maybe you are feeling you're going to be laid off soon).

Since I save around 50% of my take home pay, if I have an unexpected expense (say a very large one totaling the full three months expenses cash stash), it would only take me three months of foregone investments to replenish it.

My cash-hoarding behavior began in 2009 when I narrowly survived a round of layoffs at my then-employer, so that WAS a concern at one point, but is no longer really very realistic. I work in a technology field that is rapidly growing (22% projected annual growth according to the BLS numbers, which I highly recommend for Mustachians who are considering career options check out). Realistically, the risk of me being unemployed for a long stretch of time is quite low. For one thing, I now have 5+ years of experience in my field and have a fairly good resume. And working in smaller companies has made me tough as nails and quick to adapt.

I consider it more FU money which gives me the confidence to invest the rest of my money, knowing that I'll survive most economic calamities relatively unscathed. So I don't expect to need this money, but having it makes me feel okay with putting 40%+ of my take-home pay into my investments. If I had significantly less in my emergency buffer fund, I would probably be much more paranoid about market volatility. As it stands, if the market tanks a la 2008 and the job market suddenly dries up, I could hunker down for a few years in some low-rent area without touching the nest egg.

But like I said, it's pretty unlikely. I'm probably keeping 20%-30% more than necessary in the buffer so I've been slowly whittling it down to see how comfortable I feel. Thanks for your comments and perspective.

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We have a similar issue. We've been sitting on some cash for 6 months. Waiting for... I don't know... but I'm scared of October markets. LOL so we will probably wait until November and do lump sum. Good luck w/ your decision!

What are you scared of? Why not invest now?  Investing is for the long term. Yes, it may lose a bit of value in the short term, but who cares! Unless you're 65 and retired???

somebody8198

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I think it's more of a psychological thing. That's what I've had a hard time wrapping my head around. I already have a built-in instinct to save (thanks, dad!) but it "feels" dangerous to put money into the market when it's as volatile as it has been recently. But then again, I don't know that it's going to be less volatile in the near future, and if I wait longer, I'm missing out on dividends and potential gains if the volatility stops and we enter another bull market.

It's hard to accept the unknowns of the market while continuing to put money in. It takes a certain amount of "faith" that the market will endure no matter how dicey things seem.

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Do you think your invested money will be worth more in 10-15 years? Then invest it now.

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Re: What should I do if I want to invest more than my usual monthly contribution?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2015, 08:28:25 PM »
Just do it. Statistically your highest earnings will come from investing what you have, when you have it. If it takes a dive and that makes you sad, drown your sorrows by buying more. Buy the shit out of it.

Love the username BTW. You betcha.