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Eggs...why so cheap?
« on: November 12, 2016, 10:47:43 AM »
Anyone knowledgeable in the industry to know what's going on?

They've been 49 cents/dozen at Aldi for months now, and now they are down to $0.39/dozen.  This means cooking 3 eggs for breakfast is now a dime???!!! 

Milk is really cheap too here in Michigan currently.  I'm paying $1.50 for a gallon, and it's been between there and $1.80 for a while now. 

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Re: Eggs...why so cheap?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2016, 10:57:55 AM »
At our Aldis this week eggs are 89 cents a dozen they were down to 25 cents this summer for 2 weeks. Milk hasnt changed at all like 1.89 a gallon. I am thinking just a supply n demmand thing in your area or bait n switch item. I know there was a limit of 4 on eggs when they were 25 cents here are you seeing a limit?

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 11:32:53 AM »
I eat 6 eggs for breakfast every morning.  My wife is loving the low prices recently.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2016, 12:59:52 PM »
There's been a 6 dozen limit on eggs and on gallons of milk.  The prices have been around this low for months though, so I doubt it's a promotion thing. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2016, 01:46:39 PM »
Those are loss leaders used to draw you into the store knowing you will likely also buy other items when there. Aldi choosing eggs or milk for this is smart, since they are staples most people regularly buy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 01:58:43 PM »
As someone who raises chickens for eggs, I'll say its frightening that farmers are able to sell eggs that cheap.  Must be some pretty crappy living conditions and super low quality feed.  My chickens lay about 0.625 eggs each per day and consume about 0.300lbs of feed each per day.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2016, 02:40:41 PM »
As someone who raises chickens for eggs, I'll say its frightening that farmers are able to sell eggs that cheap.  Must be some pretty crappy living conditions and super low quality feed.  My chickens lay about 0.625 eggs each per day and consume about 0.300lbs of feed each per day.

Seconded, free range eggs in Aus cost $4 a dozen.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2016, 02:42:57 PM »
As someone who raises chickens for eggs, I'll say its frightening that farmers are able to sell eggs that cheap.  Must be some pretty crappy living conditions and super low quality feed.  My chickens lay about 0.625 eggs each per day and consume about 0.300lbs of feed each per day.

Seconded, free range eggs in Aus cost $4 a dozen.

In Perth free range eggs are $6/dozen! And cage eggs aren't much cheaper.

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2016, 03:48:00 PM »
This means cooking 3 eggs for breakfast is now a dime???!!!

You are now likely paying more for electricity or propane to cook these eggs than for your eggs.

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2016, 04:42:00 PM »
Because there was a big egg shortage last year, due to an avian disease which meant that a lot of big poultry farmers lost all their birds. Egg prices were crazy high.

Therefore, farmers invested in more chickens, and now there is an overabundance of eggs. Plus, baking supplies generally go on sale at this time of the year.

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2016, 04:52:11 PM »
Wow, huge coincidence, but I just ran into a guy today who knows a farmer who supplies eggs for Aldi.  The comments by Cranky and Post are both correct.  The price of eggs is low right now due to the rebound from the avian flu, coupled with Aldi choosing to use them as a loss leader. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2016, 04:53:32 PM »
Sounds like Aldi is using them as a loss leader. Milk here is more like 1.89 for a half gallon or 99 cents a half gallon at Fred Meyer when it's on sale. Nowhere else ever puts it on sale that cheap. Eggs are still over $1 a dozen although prices on eggs fluctuate more than prices on milk I don't think I've seen them below about $1.20 recently.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2016, 05:43:44 PM »
wow eggs are more like $1.99 here for the cheap ones at the store. I pay a neighbor $3 for backyard eggs. Milk is also way more $3.79/galloon.  Northeast.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2016, 06:06:55 PM »
Who would've thunk that Aldi needed a loss leader?  I'm pretty sure that people who shop at Aldi already know they are going to shop at Aldi - for some a choice, others necessity.  I think it probably costs them more to send their ads in the mail than the cumulative amount of savings you actually get from the discounts that are advertised!

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2016, 08:48:45 PM »
I had a moral dilemma at Sam's club yesterday.  I always buy cage free eggs.  Sam's had a cartons of 18 regular eggs for 88 cents.  Since I am cooking for 18 people on Thanksgiving, I caved and bought the cheap eggs. 

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2016, 11:13:01 PM »
About a month and a half ago  my local grocer ran a coupon special for a dozen medium eggs for $0.10 with a 1 dozen limit.  Often these sales require a $10 minimum purchase, but this one did not.  I would go in with my wife, and we would both walk out with our bill being $0.10 (not even .01 cent of tax) and 2 dozen eggs to put in our fridge.

We bought 10 dozen that week, for a total of $1.00 and nothing else.  Medium eggs are very small, but still taste like eggs.

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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 12:50:38 AM »
As someone who raises chickens for eggs, I'll say its frightening that farmers are able to sell eggs that cheap.  Must be some pretty crappy living conditions and super low quality feed.  My chickens lay about 0.625 eggs each per day and consume about 0.300lbs of feed each per day.

Seconded, free range eggs in Aus cost $4 a dozen.

In Perth free range eggs are $6/dozen! And cage eggs aren't much cheaper.

Farmer Jacks have had them on special for $4/dozen recently. The fruit and veg place in Subiaco (I think it is called golden fresh) has cheap free range eggs too but I'm a little more skeptical of their origins.

My issue is we use most of our eggs to make pasta so stick to 700g packs from the brands we find more consistent with size to make the proportions easier, which means we can't always take advantage of specials.

The milk prices in this thread blow my mind too. I thought $1/L was cheap but I buy the $2+/L extra creamy milk for coffee at work (which work pays for) because it tastes so good.

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Re: Eggs...why so cheap?
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2016, 02:23:53 AM »
Great to hear why it's so cheap! Haven't monitored the price recently.
I would love to have a conversation with those Aldi farmers to see if they are any "real" differences between them and Coles, Harris Farm.

My guess is not, it's just volume margin vs "brand"
I use to rebadge if my days in retail in Europe: Same product, different packaging... so different price

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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2016, 10:39:36 AM »
I don't shop at aldis but we pay more for eggs.  They seem to be around $1.50-$1.80/doz or something like that.  Still very reasonable imo.  I am in michigan btw.

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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2016, 10:46:43 AM »
There always seems to be a battle by us between kwik Trip ( a gas convenience store but very nice) and Aldis. Today eggs were 69cents Aldis 89 cents. Bananas at Kwik Trip too and red onions and potatos are not only better but always cheaper. Glad there next door to each other.

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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2016, 01:28:04 PM »
Seems like Aldi is doing a loss leader but they're cheap everywhere.  Trader Joe's had free-range organic for like $1.19 recently.

Sadly, most eggs are terrible!  Flat yolks, runny whites, etc.  The $4-plus ones are usually better, but not always.  Walmart's cheaper eggs are awful.  The last ones I bought from Costco were better than average, but still not fresh.

With these prices, why are we not seeing egg dishes everywhere?

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2016, 02:19:03 PM »
:(

Now I feel like I'm getting gouged. Milk is around $4 /gallon here and eggs are over $1 /dozen.  (FWIW, cage free at the farmer's market are $5.50)  Philly.

We have an Aldi, but I don't feel comfortable going after dark so I seldom shop there.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2016, 09:05:21 PM »
Same here in Northern Virginia near D.C.

wow eggs are more like $1.99 here for the cheap ones at the store. I pay a neighbor $3 for backyard eggs. Milk is also way more $3.79/galloon.  Northeast.

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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2016, 07:54:05 AM »
Wow, $1.80/g for milk is unbelievable.

I'm paying $1.49 for 1.5 dozens eggs, and $4.79 for gallon of milk. 

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2016, 10:07:02 AM »
Mine certainly aren't that cheap- but I have noticed I've been buying a lot for a lot less.... NJ is always more expensive- but still the 2.5 flat was like 2 and change- normally it's 4 and a half.

Good thing I like eggs.

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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2016, 10:18:09 AM »
I also confirm, Iowa, Aldi, Eggs .48 whole milk was just 1.09 a gallon.

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2016, 10:33:49 AM »
Huge glut in the milk and chicken market/industries recently. Enjoy while it lasts, it'll swing back!

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2016, 11:50:29 AM »
Same here in Northern Virginia near D.C.

wow eggs are more like $1.99 here for the cheap ones at the store. I pay a neighbor $3 for backyard eggs. Milk is also way more $3.79/galloon.  Northeast.

If you're in NoVA, you can get two dozen Cage Free, certified humane (whatever that means), "Kirkland Brand" eggs at Costco for $3.79/two dozen.  Of course, I'd go with back yard eggs if I were you too.  Milk at the NoVA Costco is also something around $2 something depending on the fat content.

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2016, 12:59:20 PM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important. 

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2016, 01:35:03 PM »
My rant-y opinion on this matter is that buying cage free eggs is pretty much nonsense if it's for ethical reasons. It may buy you a feeling of "rightness" but it doesn't do the caged chickens any nontrivial amount of good. If you or many others boycott battery caged eggs, the producers will just lower the prices, making the difference between them and cage free eggs even larger, so that less scrupulous people will be incentivized to buy even more traditional eggs.

If you have the money, you will do the animals more good by donating the money you would have wasted on pricey cage free eggs, to animal charities that push for regulating farm animals better (something like Mercy for Animals or Humane Society). Your extra dollar there will go much further than the dollar you spent on cage free.

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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2016, 01:47:56 PM »
My rant-y opinion on this matter is that buying cage free eggs is pretty much nonsense if it's for ethical reasons. It may buy you a feeling of "rightness" but it doesn't do the caged chickens any nontrivial amount of good. If you or many others boycott battery caged eggs, the producers will just lower the prices, making the difference between them and cage free eggs even larger, so that less scrupulous people will be incentivized to buy even more traditional eggs.

If you have the money, you will do the animals more good by donating the money you would have wasted on pricey cage free eggs, to animal charities that push for regulating farm animals better (something like Mercy for Animals or Humane Society). Your extra dollar there will go much further than the dollar you spent on cage free.
This is absolutely true, to the extent that you are buying industrially produced "free range" eggs.  I do not think this is necessarily true if you are buying true free range eggs from a local farmer at a farmers market, who actually woke up and went outside and picked the eggs out of the hen house. 

In fact, industrially produced eggs are, in some ways, worse than 'battery box' eggs.  The only differences is that there are tens of thousands of hens living in one giant chicken house, without division, such that they are 'free' to move around inside.  They still never see the light of day.  One recent report noted that such 'free range' chickens are so stressed they will contentiously peck and attack the chickens around them.  One particular target is the 'vent' of the chicken, where the eggs come from, as this is a soft tissue opening that smells like eggs.  The result is that other chickens will peck at and injure the others, in some cases by pecking the intestines out of the weakest chicken (while still alive).  One article estimates that cannibalism increases by 3000% for free range chickens:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/theyre-being-eaten-alive-what-i-saw-in-a-cage_us_580a5aefe4b0b1bd89fdb1d0

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2016, 09:24:16 PM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important.
I'm gonna go with NO. No, this is not the reason. You may want to consider it...but absolutely NOT the reason.

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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2016, 05:54:41 AM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important.
I'm gonna go with NO. No, this is not the reason. You may want to consider it...but absolutely NOT the reason.

I'm hoping they try to make me see the error of my ways by pricing steaks dirt cheap.

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2016, 06:53:29 AM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important.

I get what you are saying and actually agree with you, but I've made a decision to not make eggs my line in the sand.  I'm going to post my thought process just to show that we all have to make our own value judgements and priorities.  I respect yours, but I'm just at a slightly different spot.  Here's are things I have personally chosen to cut down and be more responsible (not saying this is what others should do, it's just where I'm at right now with my family). 

Currently:
Food for family of 4:
- Rice (50 pound sacks), Pinto beans (25 pound sacks), 10 pound bags of potatoes, and lentils form the bulk of my family's calories.
- Each week I shop, and buy about 60 dollars worth of fruit, veggies, cheeses, eggs, milk, yogurt, etc.
- I buy about 1 pound of meat total for my family for the week.  It's used as a garnish on a few of our meals, hardly ever as a main course. 

Pros for environment/sustainability: very little meat, lots of greens.
Cons: I buy few organic products.  With unlimited resources I would. 

rationale: My wife and I each have access to a 403B, 457, and Roth IRA, for a total of 83k that we can shelter.  I'm able to hit about 65k of that 83k right now.  When our incomes rise to the point that we can totally fill those buckets, then I'll make further improvements on sustainability.  That's simply the higher priority for us right now.  By doing this we can retire sooner, which will let us simply our lives, which will likely result in us living in a more sustainable way in FIRE. 

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2016, 09:40:15 AM »
I'm able to hit about 65k of that 83k right now.
  WOW!  That is great! 

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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2016, 10:07:14 AM »
My rant-y opinion on this matter is that buying cage free eggs is pretty much nonsense if it's for ethical reasons. It may buy you a feeling of "rightness" but it doesn't do the caged chickens any nontrivial amount of good. If you or many others boycott battery caged eggs, the producers will just lower the prices, making the difference between them and cage free eggs even larger, so that less scrupulous people will be incentivized to buy even more traditional eggs.

If you have the money, you will do the animals more good by donating the money you would have wasted on pricey cage free eggs, to animal charities that push for regulating farm animals better (something like Mercy for Animals or Humane Society). Your extra dollar there will go much further than the dollar you spent on cage free.

What about for non-ethical reasons?  Is there less animal to human disease transmission when they're not caged, eating each others' feces and being pumped full of abx to prevent said avian flu?  Less chance of that salmonella in their feces covering their bodies when the gut hooks explode through their intestines on the line?  Less chance of being the one of the 1.2 million people per year that have illnesses secondary to salmonellosis, and having less good gut bacteria die secondary to the meat antibiotic transmission people get from eating non-free range chicken?  There might be an advantage to yourself, forget about the animals, if you must.

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Re: Eggs...why so cheap?
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2016, 01:55:32 PM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important.

I get what you are saying and actually agree with you, but I've made a decision to not make eggs my line in the sand.  I'm going to post my thought process just to show that we all have to make our own value judgements and priorities.  I respect yours, but I'm just at a slightly different spot.  Here's are things I have personally chosen to cut down and be more responsible (not saying this is what others should do, it's just where I'm at right now with my family). 

Currently:
Food for family of 4:
- Rice (50 pound sacks), Pinto beans (25 pound sacks), 10 pound bags of potatoes, and lentils form the bulk of my family's calories.
- Each week I shop, and buy about 60 dollars worth of fruit, veggies, cheeses, eggs, milk, yogurt, etc.
- I buy about 1 pound of meat total for my family for the week.  It's used as a garnish on a few of our meals, hardly ever as a main course. 

Pros for environment/sustainability: very little meat, lots of greens.
Cons: I buy few organic products.  With unlimited resources I would. 

rationale: My wife and I each have access to a 403B, 457, and Roth IRA, for a total of 83k that we can shelter.  I'm able to hit about 65k of that 83k right now.  When our incomes rise to the point that we can totally fill those buckets, then I'll make further improvements on sustainability.  That's simply the higher priority for us right now.  By doing this we can retire sooner, which will let us simply our lives, which will likely result in us living in a more sustainable way in FIRE.

That's awesome, and I can respect that.  It's the same sort of argument to be made as to why Warren Buffet should not have given money to charity early on in his life, because by retaining that capital he was able to create much more wealth that can be given to charity later.  So if buying the cheapest eggs helps you and your family reach FI sooner, then you can adjust your priorities to reflect your values. 

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Re: Eggs...why so cheap?
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2016, 05:47:36 AM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important.
I'm gonna go with NO. No, this is not the reason. You may want to consider it...but absolutely NOT the reason.

I'm hoping they try to make me see the error of my ways by pricing steaks dirt cheap.

Ha! Not me.  But I can see someone who has to buy beef at store prices having that opinion.

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Re: Eggs...why so cheap?
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2016, 01:43:04 PM »
Maybe they are so cheap in order to force you to consider that buying the cheapest possible food isn't always the best option.  For your health, for the environment, for the humane treatment of consumable animals that you may or may not share -- cheap products often have hidden costs.  Eggs are "cheap" due to subsidized corn to feed the hens and subsidized soybean to gas up the rigs that ship around that feed and the eggs themselves.  Someone's paying for it -- the taxpayer, the farmer with borrowed funds to buy the mega-sized chicken houses, the sick and elderly who used to be able to rely on antibiotics but no longer can -- even if it's not showing up in the price of $.25 per dozen. 

Sometimes spending extra money, which is of course shocking to those of us with similar frugal values around here, is actually a better option.  I'm sure you're already aware that buying fresh vegetables is a better expense than a cheap, dollar menu burger and fries, even though the fresh veg is more expensive.  So spending more money to purchase locally-sourced, true free range and non-antibiotic injected eggs, meat and dairy might be "worth it" to you.  Which may depend on whether you value the maximization of the accumulation of money above all else, or whether you also support larger goals like:
  • the diminution of greenhouse gases that contribute to global-warming,
  • having your hard-earned and reluctantly-spent dollars support a local farmer with a family and a mortgage or going to a multi-national industrial conglomerate like Tyson, and
  • leaving the planet better than you found it for future generations that will be around long after your life has ended.
The 4% rule doesn't just apply to you bank account.  You could also take the same logic and apply it to global resources.  If we use just 4% of global resources annually, the natural supply could last indefinitely (*actual numbers may very, this is a thought experiment not a science project).  Instead, we're using much more than that -- which is kind of like closing your eyes and hoping a 14% withdrawal rate is 'safe'. 

Never forget that MMM himself has said that this whole project is really about sustainability masquerading as personal finance.  If you have the money (and most of us around here are privileged enough to be able to support ourselves AND save a boat load for early retirement), maybe consider that purchasing decisions based on sustainability are just as important as those based on personal finance -- if not more important.
I'm gonna go with NO. No, this is not the reason. You may want to consider it...but absolutely NOT the reason.

I'm hoping they try to make me see the error of my ways by pricing steaks dirt cheap.

Ha! Not me.  But I can see someone who has to buy beef at store prices having that opinion.

A new kroger opened up near me recently and they had whole angus beef tenderloin on sale for $6.99/lb (regularly $18.99/b).  I purchased about 20 lbs worth.  I'll be eating filets for the next year.

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Re: Eggs...why so cheap?
« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2016, 01:59:20 PM »
Ha! Not me.  But I can see someone who has to buy beef at store prices having that opinion.

A new kroger opened up near me recently and they had whole angus beef tenderloin on sale for $6.99/lb (regularly $18.99/b).  I purchased about 20 lbs worth.  I'll be eating filets for the next year.

Nice. Hard to beat that.