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Re: Economic Impact of Obesity = 2.1 Trillion
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2014, 10:42:04 AM »
Body size is generally not within someone's control.

Bullshit. Watch anybody who lifts weights, think their muscles would be that size without the training? Why are my arms thin and I'm at 146 pounds while my brother is a muscly dude at an also-perfectly-healthy 185? Exercise. If he was that 185 without the weight lifting, he'd be fat. He chose that size and chose it quite deliberately.

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« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2014, 12:21:04 PM »
I can see these costs in my own family.

It has become apparent that my mother and her husband (in their 50s) are addicted to food. It is destroying their lives. Just in the past 12-18 months, they have packed on about 75-100lbs each. My mother going from overweight to morbidly obese and him going from already morbidly obese to class 900 or whatever morbidly obese.

Her husband has already had two heart attacks. He has a serious form of cancer. My sister said she visited with them recently and he couldn't walk more than short distances without becoming winded. Not only did he look like he gained weight since last visit, but also his hands looked extremely swollen, probably a sign of congestive heart failure. My mother does not like to talk about his health until he is literally in the hospital and she can't keep it from us anymore, so who knows what else is wrong with him, but I doubt it isn't costing a fortune. My sister noted that my mother was also continuing to balloon up and it was extremely concerning.

During this visit, they all went to a restaurant. My sister and BIL were absolutely appalled by the masses of food they were eating. They ordered appetizers for the table, but then ate the vast majority of those appetizers themselves. They then ordered probably the greasiest, calorie bomb items on the menu for entrees and then scoffed at my sister when she ordered from the reduced calorie menu saying she needed to live a little. They vacuumed that down and then insisted on dessert, despite this only being lunch and having ate all the food prior to this. On the way out, the two of them discussed what was going to be for dinner that night. Then my mother had the gall to complain about being fat. It was absolutely a complete WTF scenario.

They get very defensive if you bring up weight loss and insist they have no interest in change because it is their lives, if they want to eat themselves to death, so what? Her husband justifies it by saying even if he does lose the weight, he would probably die anyway from bad heart or cancer, so why take away this little bit of sunshine in his life?  But being so obese is already compromising his already poor health severely. My mother is too old to continue packing on this kind of weight with no very serious consequences. She has already had obesity related gallbladder problems. My sister said of this past visit that she honestly does not see him living 10 years, maybe 5 if he is lucky at this rate. He just looks terrible. And she just keeps getting fatter and more and more insecure with it, taking it out in bizarre, passive aggressive ways on us.

Losing weight is not impossible. I myself was morbidly obese. However, I woke up to how I was wasting away my life being fat and lost an embarrassing amount of weight. My BMI is now normal and I work hard every day to keep it that way. A lot of my bloodwork improved markedly since I lost the weight and my physical stamina is way better than what it used to be. It sucks often to not be able to eat all the foods, but I just can't see going back to being the grossly overweight person I was before. No food is worth that. The key to losing weight is simply to eat less. Exercise isn't even necessary as long as you are eating below your sedentary TDEE. Anyone can do it, but not everyone is committed to doing it.

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Re: Economic Impact of Obesity = 2.1 Trillion
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2014, 08:17:40 PM »
How do we make exercise more appealing to others too? No idea!

I'm thankful that I grew up with a father that was into fitness and would take us to play tennis almost every weekend. We'd also ride our bikes to the library to get books every weekend when we were children. So I grew up with sports.

I find the gym extremely boring. If I had to rely on cardio machines to get a workout, I'd probably also hate exercise. I have a female friend that didn't grow up playing sports, so exercise to her is going to the gym. She went through a period where she was in awesome shape, but then fell back to her old habits because it was hard to maintain. In my mind, it just wasn't fun and it was hard to keep up.

I much prefer outdoor exercise and sports. I'm glad I like all types of sports such as cycling, tennis, volleyball, skating, kayaking, skiing, etc. More than five minutes on a stationary bike or treadmill makes my head want to explode.

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Re: Economic Impact of Obesity = 2.1 Trillion
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2014, 06:55:29 AM »
It all comes down to personal choices. Do I think it's harder for a single mom working two jobs to eat well and exercise, yes. However, it's still up to the individual to make the necessary changes. It's actually the same as FIRE. You make lifelong changes that make you a more fulfilled person.

I'm an example of this myself. I was overweight from about 6 - 28ish (36 now). I did the off/on diets and would lose then gain back even more. It took a wake up call and realization that you must make permanent lifestyle changes. At my worst, I was 310lbs and a smoker. Now, as a nonsmoker who weighs 190 it's hard to even imagine my former self. I did all this through diet and exercise because I made that my priority.

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Re: Economic Impact of Obesity = 2.1 Trillion
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2014, 09:17:34 AM »
This video is a short TED talk about why dieting doesn't usually work:

http://www.ted.com/talks/sandra_aamodt_why_dieting_doesn_t_usually_work?language=en#t-750236

And if you think weight loss surgery is the answer, think again; it has a very poor success rate long term, along with much higher health risks than just staying fat.

In fact, it has not been proven that being overweight or obese has a causal relationship with any illness, despite what the medical profession is telling us. For one thing, many thin people get all the same illnesses -- and many fat people do not. Not all fat people eat too much or eat badly. It is much more complicated than calories in calories out. (Watch the video.)

And one reason the official obesity rate has risen dramatically since the 1980s is because in 1998, the cutoff points of the metric that is used to calculate weight (the body mass index) were lowered. The BMI itself is problematic, and this made it worse.

Lol. No one ever got fat eating lean protein and veggies and hitting the gym 2-3x/week. Just stop.

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« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2014, 11:00:49 AM »
Lol. No one ever got fat eating lean protein and veggies and hitting the gym 2-3x/week. Just stop.

Technically they could. All you have to is eat more calories than you burn. People tend to be way overly optimistic about the number of calories burned in exercise while simultaneously underestimating the amount of calories they are eating. You can take any chicken breast and drown it in gravy, cover that broccoli in extra cheese, deep fry that pork loin, etc. Granola, nuts, etc are often diet destroyers because the serving sizes are so small and calories so high.

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Re: Economic Impact of Obesity = 2.1 Trillion
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2014, 01:08:41 PM »
Like all the financial topics we talk about it all comes down to personal responsibility that is lacking in our society today. How many of these obese people are also bad with money? I drink too much, smoke too much and eat crap constantly, but I also make it mandatory for myself to have a six pack and money in the bank. Everyone wants to point fingers and say it's someone else's fault, but it doesn't matter who's fault it is because it is our own responsibility. If anyone needs help losing weight this is the simplest way www.bradpilon.com PM me if you need clarification on the process, I am a personal trainer and we can all help each other as long as we can help ourselves.

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« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2014, 01:44:23 PM »
Like all the financial topics we talk about it all comes down to personal responsibility that is lacking in our society today. How many of these obese people are also bad with money? I drink too much, smoke too much and eat crap constantly, but I also make it mandatory for myself to have a six pack and money in the bank. Everyone wants to point fingers and say it's someone else's fault, but it doesn't matter who's fault it is because it is our own responsibility. If anyone needs help losing weight this is the simplest way www.bradpilon.com PM me if you need clarification on the process, I am a personal trainer and we can all help each other as long as we can help ourselves.

I took a quick look at your webiste and I have some interest regarding IF. Can you lead me to any research around the biological basis for intermittent fasting, specifically the glycolosis process and it's association with IF?

I work in biopharmaceuticals, and while going over some literature surrounding mammalian cell growth I found some interesting ideas regarding glucose uptake and the lactic acic process and how they differ between large inputs of glucose and small inputs. Just trying to connect the human nutrion dots here, although I understand that in humans the process is affected moreso by the liver.

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Re: Economic Impact of Obesity = 2.1 Trillion
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2014, 03:32:30 PM »
The basic premise is that your body will break down fats for energy while you are in a fasted state as long as you are hydrated. www.leangains.com and www.rippedbody.jp will explain the details better than I can, but are more of a bodybuilding approach where you fast for 16 hours and eat for 8. This is the program I use to stay lean all year round and I barely work out anymore. I believe it works better because it's meal timing more than a diet. It takes a bit to get used to, but once your body adapts it's the simplest way to lose weight and maintain lean body mass.

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« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2014, 07:31:50 PM »
I recently drove across the US, ~6000 miles. Stopped at many a freeway turn off for food and gas. Folks, we have absolutely no chance. We've lost. Obesity will not shrink, it will get worse.

Partner that with the knowledge that carbohydrates are bad and fat/animal protein is healthy and you see why it's difficult to actually find an apple or steamed vegetable in a restaurant.

I do meet people who turn to a plant based diet, but the great majority will never give it serious thought, safe and secure going along with the crowd.