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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #200 on: May 27, 2025, 02:39:05 PM »
Anti-bacterial soap does two things better than regular soap:  Jack and shit.   Regular soap works by physically removing dirt.  The dirt is where the bacteria is.   Remember, if it looks dirty, it is dirty.   There is a mountain of evidence that shows anti-bacterial soap is no better at removing bacteria than regular soap.   Even in bio labs we didn't use anti-bacterial soap.   It is a marketing scam.

I'd argue anti-bacterial soap is worse than a marketing scam.  It is a straight up inferior product to regular soap.

Earlier I mentioned that I do BJJ - effectively hot, sweaty wrestling with lots of skin to skin contact.  Skin problems (ringworm, impetigo, staph, etc.) are common in wrestling, so hygiene before/after practice is important.  Most of it is just basic crap - you don't step from an area where outdoor shoes are used and onto the mats.  You always shower immediately after practice.  You always wash anything that was used in practice immediately after practice and never use stuff twice.  But at some point in the past I had decided that since skin infections were a problem I should start using anti-bacterial soap every time I showered off - little germs being the issue, right?

During the six month period that I was using anti-bacterial soap I had regular and repeated skin infections.  Your skin wants/needs bacteria growing on it all the time.  It's a whole eco-system going on there that actually protects you.  Anti-bacterial soap seems to strip this ecosystem away and damage your skin somehow, leaving you at higher risk of colonization/infection by the bad stuff.  I went back to using regular soap and occasionally moisturizing my skin and the skin infections largely went away.

Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience!  I suffer from occasional dry skin, especially on my legs, but besides that my skin is pretty great.  I've been bathing with antibacterial soap since birth basically, so I'm not sure what effect stopping would have on me and I'm not keen to find out, but this is good info for those who might be considering picking up that habit.  To each his own, but for me it's peace of mind.



There's no evidence that antibacterial soap works better than regular soap for protecting from disease and infection (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/skip-antibacterial-soap-use-plain-soap-and-water, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27585555/).  There is some evidence that the additives in antibacterial soaps make you less healthy though - they include endocrine disruptors and are more likely to cause irritation to the skin (https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-problem-with-antibacterial-soap-4125914).  Antibacterial soaps also appear to contribute to antibiotic resistance in germs (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK73515/).

Honestly, in your position I'd drop the antibacterial soap for a couple months and see how things go.  Worst case you can always go back to it, best case you'll find out that your skin is (much) healthier without.

Putting my tinfoil hat back on here... are those studies by the same people who recommended experimental mRNA injections to treat a virus with a 99% survival rate?  The same injections that are now causing young, otherwise healthy people to randomly stop being alive?  I think I'll stick with what I know, but thanks for sharing!

Remember, a patient cured is a customer lost.  It's much more profitable for big pharma and the medical industrial complex to keep us all just sick enough to require constant treatment, but not sick enough to stop us from being able to work in the rat race so we can afford their treatments and medicines. 

Killing germs seems like the most obvious way to stop their spread, no?  I don't need a study to tell me that. Also, there are endocrine disruptors everywhere, even in food.  Soy comes to mind.  So I'm not gonna let anyone fear monger me into not being as sanitary as I can.

Are you familiar at all with antibiotic resistance, and how it happens?  Yeah, just killing as many "germs" as possible is actually bad and even kind dangerous for everyone.  But that take also requires you to value the health and safety of your neighbors, community, etc., not just your own.

If you could get the prescription, would just just take a broad-spectrum antibiotic every day for the rest of your life?  After all, that would be quite effective--far more so than handwashing--at killing germs.  If germ death is the "obvious way" to prevent spread, this should sound like a solid course of action, right?  And of course, wearing a mask--do you do that all the time if you want to be "as sanitary as you can"? 

When someone washes their hands have touching what is likely a very clean surface but disparages a vaccine that has scientifically been shown to be high reward and very, very low risk for serious issues, there's some cognitive dissonance there. 

At first ,I thought this trash can thing was just a quirk like those all of us have in some form.  But it is becoming more and more clear that it goes beyond that.  But it's also pretty clear you aren't open to thoughts on this or other opinions on the matters at hand[wash].  So happy handwashing!


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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #201 on: May 27, 2025, 03:54:16 PM »


I compost, so there's rarely anything gross in my garbage.



That’s just sidestepping the question.  Do you wash your hands after you touch your compost bin?

Why would you?  Are you elbows deep in there, aerating the compost by hand?

Depends how hungry and anaerobic I’m feeling

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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #202 on: May 27, 2025, 04:04:24 PM »
I don’t necessarily wash *after* touching all sorts of things.
But I do wash my hands before eating.

A friend who is the Lead Abatement Nurse for our county tells me that most lead poisoning is from not washing your hands before putting food in your mouth. She says “you have to assume it’s in all the dirt because it never breaks down into anything else and it never goes away.”

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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #203 on: May 27, 2025, 04:19:58 PM »
Killing germs seems like the most obvious way to stop their spread, no?  I don't need a study to tell me that.  Also, there are endocrine disruptors everywhere, even in food.  Soy comes to mind.  So I'm not gonna let anyone fear monger me into not being as sanitary as I can.

There is an astonishing amount of evidence going back to the 1800s that high levels of sanitation actually contribute to disease, especially allergies and autoimmune disorders like MS.   It is theorized your immune system, just like other bodily systems, functions best when it is occasionally stressed, but not stressed too much.   No one understands where exactly the lines between too little, just right, and too much are drawn, but it is clear that too little exposure to pathogens, just like too much, is bad for your health.     

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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #204 on: May 27, 2025, 06:10:04 PM »
Killing germs seems like the most obvious way to stop their spread, no?  I don't need a study to tell me that.  Also, there are endocrine disruptors everywhere, even in food.  Soy comes to mind.  So I'm not gonna let anyone fear monger me into not being as sanitary as I can.

There is an astonishing amount of evidence going back to the 1800s that high levels of sanitation actually contribute to disease, especially allergies and autoimmune disorders like MS.   It is theorized your immune system, just like other bodily systems, functions best when it is occasionally stressed, but not stressed too much.   No one understands where exactly the lines between too little, just right, and too much are drawn, but it is clear that too little exposure to pathogens, just like too much, is bad for your health.   

It reminds me a bit of raising kids.  Someone might say, "the best way to keep them safe is to shelter them from pretty much everything".  And yes, that is the best way to make sure nothing horrible happens to them tomorrow or next week.  But Keeping them looked up and in a bubble and not exposed to any other humans is not actually what is best or healthiest for them long-term.  Because being exposed to life's various parts and challenges is inherently good for them and their long-term prospects. 

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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #205 on: May 27, 2025, 06:52:51 PM »
I didn't come here to debate, just to express my solidarity with the OP and see how many people were left like us.  I think I've got my answer.  Thank you all for your replies, and best of luck to you!

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« Reply #206 on: May 27, 2025, 07:04:24 PM »
I didn't come here to debate, just to express my solidarity with the OP and see how many people were left like us.  I think I've got my answer.  Thank you all for your replies, and best of luck to you!

OP posted this thread in 2019 and hasn't been active on the forums since 2024

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« Reply #207 on: May 28, 2025, 08:26:08 AM »
I didn't come here to debate, just to express my solidarity with the OP and see how many people were left like us.  I think I've got my answer.  Thank you all for your replies, and best of luck to you!

OP posted this thread in 2019 and hasn't been active on the forums since 2024

If only anti-vaxxers gave us as much warning about what we were getting into as vaccines do. :p

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« Reply #208 on: May 28, 2025, 11:55:59 AM »
I didn't come here to debate, just to express my solidarity with the OP and see how many people were left like us.  I think I've got my answer.  Thank you all for your replies, and best of luck to you!

OP posted this thread in 2019 and hasn't been active on the forums since 2024

If only anti-vaxxers gave us as much warning about what we were getting into as vaccines do. :p

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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #209 on: May 28, 2025, 01:01:46 PM »
I didn't come here to debate, just to express my solidarity with the OP and see how many people were left like us.  I think I've got my answer.  Thank you all for your replies, and best of luck to you!

You posted 14 times in an off-topic thread on a financial message board, which you joined for the sole purpose of chiming in on a 6-year-old thread.  But you didn't come here for debate and want to support the OP, who hasn't been around for a year.  Even the phrase "how many people are left like us" is pretty loaded.

M'kay. Best of luck to you, too. 

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« Reply #210 on: May 28, 2025, 01:05:13 PM »
What I thought was ironic about the Covid vaccine debate is that the blood clot risks were reason to pull several of them.  And yet millions of women are at higher risk of blood clots from the birth control pill, and they take that for years, not a shot every so often.  And begin pregnant is even higher risk.  And delivering the baby is even higher risk again.

One thing Covid taught me is how often I was touching my face.

And back to garbage cans, I wash after touching all sorts of things.  In the kitchen, washing after handling meat (especially chicken) is much more important.  And being careful about cross-contamination.  I also avoid touching things in public if I can avoid them - I will open doors by pushing the automatic opener button with my arm, for example.  I love public restrooms where the soap and water are delivered by motion sensors instead of me having to touch a tap.  And the toilet flushes automatically!  Wonders of modern sanitation technology.


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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #211 on: May 28, 2025, 02:53:15 PM »
What I thought was ironic about the Covid vaccine debate is that the blood clot risks were reason to pull several of them.  And yet millions of women are at higher risk of blood clots from the birth control pill, and they take that for years, not a shot every so often.  And begin pregnant is even higher risk.  And delivering the baby is even higher risk again.

For what it's worth, I'm un(Covid)vaccinated and also not a big fan of long-term hormonal birth control from a health standpoint. I used it from 17-21 before I was able to find a doctor willing to do my tubal, and would have used it less if I could have - and I had MUCH less side effects than a lot of women.

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« Reply #212 on: May 28, 2025, 04:31:18 PM »
Killing germs seems like the most obvious way to stop their spread, no?  I don't need a study to tell me that.  Also, there are endocrine disruptors everywhere, even in food.  Soy comes to mind.  So I'm not gonna let anyone fear monger me into not being as sanitary as I can.

There is an astonishing amount of evidence going back to the 1800s that high levels of sanitation actually contribute to disease, especially allergies and autoimmune disorders like MS.   It is theorized your immune system, just like other bodily systems, functions best when it is occasionally stressed, but not stressed too much.   No one understands where exactly the lines between too little, just right, and too much are drawn, but it is clear that too little exposure to pathogens, just like too much, is bad for your health.   

There is an astonishing amount of evidence that high levels of sanitation actually make things not sticky when you touch

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« Reply #213 on: May 28, 2025, 05:31:58 PM »
Killing germs seems like the most obvious way to stop their spread, no?  I don't need a study to tell me that.  Also, there are endocrine disruptors everywhere, even in food.  Soy comes to mind.  So I'm not gonna let anyone fear monger me into not being as sanitary as I can.

There is an astonishing amount of evidence going back to the 1800s that high levels of sanitation actually contribute to disease, especially allergies and autoimmune disorders like MS.   It is theorized your immune system, just like other bodily systems, functions best when it is occasionally stressed, but not stressed too much.   No one understands where exactly the lines between too little, just right, and too much are drawn, but it is clear that too little exposure to pathogens, just like too much, is bad for your health.   

There is an astonishing amount of evidence that high levels of sanitation actually make things not sticky when you touch

IDK, the wipes we used in the clinic often left things feeling pretty sticky.

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« Reply #214 on: May 28, 2025, 10:56:55 PM »
There is an astonishing amount of evidence that high levels of sanitation actually make things not sticky when you touch

Hey, I'm the "get it visibly clean" guy.  Not the "I don't sweep so I don't contaminate the broom" guy.

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« Reply #215 on: May 29, 2025, 06:04:15 AM »
What I thought was ironic about the Covid vaccine debate is that the blood clot risks were reason to pull several of them.  And yet millions of women are at higher risk of blood clots from the birth control pill, and they take that for years, not a shot every so often.  And begin pregnant is even higher risk.  And delivering the baby is even higher risk again.

For what it's worth, I'm un(Covid)vaccinated and also not a big fan of long-term hormonal birth control from a health standpoint. I used it from 17-21 before I was able to find a doctor willing to do my tubal, and would have used it less if I could have - and I had MUCH less side effects than a lot of women.

Tubal ligation is great for those who are planning to never have children.  Or are finished with having children.

For those who want children, but not now, other methods have to be used.  The woman and her doctor need to figure out what is best for her body and situation.   In many cases it is the pill.

The point I was trying to make, and clearly failed to, is that in general women and society are willing to accept more health risks to not get pregnant compared to social acceptance of health risks in other situations.


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Re: Do you wash your hands after touching the garbage can?
« Reply #216 on: May 29, 2025, 08:17:02 AM »
I didn't come here to debate, just to express my solidarity with the OP and see how many people were left like us.  I think I've got my answer.  Thank you all for your replies, and best of luck to you!

OP posted this thread in 2019 and hasn't been active on the forums since 2024

If only anti-vaxxers gave us as much warning about what we were getting into as vaccines do. :p

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@Villanelle made my point more eloquently than I did.  I thought we were just having a conversation similar to the "Will I die if I eat this" ones.

 

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