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Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« on: April 30, 2014, 12:10:58 PM »
Last week I listened to an interview of the founder and former owner of "Get Rich Slowly". He sold his blog for over $1MM. How much exactly he will not divuldge, all I know is it was at least 7 figures.

I was a big fan of GRS when JD was at the helm. Lots of good stuff.

Now knowing that JD got at least $1MM, makes me wonder how much MMM is worth. Not to knock JD's blog, but I would think MMM's website/blog is much more valuable. So valuable that if it was my blog, I'd be at the minimum giving thought to its value.

Let's say at a minimum of $5-10MM. That'd be hard to turn down.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2014, 12:14:23 PM »
The problem is that the MMM website is primarily valuable only because MMM himself is the one writing it. It's not really a business that somebody else could take over.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2014, 12:14:47 PM »
I'd probably sell it. You can always create another blog, as JD did. I know money isn't really a concern for MMM, but 5 mil is 5 mil.. I wonder what his "number" is..

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2014, 12:18:40 PM »
Not worried about it.

While both finance blogs, they have different focus's and they (the owners) are in different situations.  JD took it as an opportunity to investigate other interests of his life, while still allowing him to write for the blog.

The benefit of being FI is MMM doesn't need (or probably want) to sell.  There might be a point when he feels his time is over with the blog.  At that point I would see him passing it on to someone he felt would continue it on the best, while still keeping some control, not necessarily selling it.

While the value of this blog is probably high, I'd be more interested in the amount of income it actually brings him.  What we do know is it brings him more money then he spends in a year.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2014, 12:25:42 PM »
I'd probably sell it. You can always create another blog, as JD did. I know money isn't really a concern for MMM, but 5 mil is 5 mil...

But if it's worth $5 million to someone, it'd probably bring in about as much, if not more, per year than the $5 million would if invested.  So it would seem that the only reasons to sell are either that you just don't want to do it any more, or you need $5 million right now.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2014, 12:30:35 PM »
Getrichslowly was pretty fucking huge by the time JD sold it. It was also broader with a great deal of writers. I don't wonder about MMM selling. I guess he could if he wanted to but I'm not sure how it'd jive with the overall message. What's more powerful; a message that can consistently be demonstrated or a couple of million dollars? When you're trying to change the world through badassity the former is way more powerful.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2014, 12:36:16 PM »
The problem is that the MMM website is primarily valuable only because MMM himself is the one writing it. It's not really a business that somebody else could take over.

True. I stopped reading GRS after the real guy left. Once it was taken over by a company, it was not really the same. I know that JDR wrote for the blog via the company for a while. The zip was gone and the topics were old. Maybe I was beyond the basics...

One thing that MMM does that is brilliant is that he has us here. =-) He's not posting content every single day. He does not need to in order to pay his bills so he can take his time and wait for when he has the good stuff. That is smart, because there is only so much to say. Since he posts only when he really has good content and then has this forum with people raising all kinds of questions, it keeps the site alive and active.

If MMM sold, it might not be the same. Look how much hoopla was caused just by changing some pictures. If he sold it, there were would be pandemonium. =-D

« Last Edit: April 30, 2014, 12:38:07 PM by oldtoyota »

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2014, 12:44:12 PM »
The problem is that the MMM website is primarily valuable only because MMM himself is the one writing it. It's not really a business that somebody else could take over.

True. I stopped reading GRS after the real guy left.

You may think you did, but the announcement that it was sold happened years after it was actually sold, due to NDAs.

If MMM sold, it might not be the same. Look how much hoopla was caused just by changing some pictures. If he sold it, there were would be pandemonium. =-D

How would we know?

One difference is JD started phasing in other writers, so that when it was sold they could do more and more of that.  MMM writes all the articles as of now.  I wonder how hard it would be to duplicate his "voice."
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2014, 01:09:04 PM »
If MMM sold the blog I would be really pissed and move on and find another financial blog to follow.

One of the principal foundations of mustachianism to establishing the concept of "enough" and that happiness is separate from how money you have.  MMM already said he has enough money and does not need the additional income.  Selling the blog would ruin the credibility of what he preaches because then his real world actions would not be consistent with what he says you should do.

Oh the other hand, if he converted the blog into a non-profit foundation I would be ok with that, and also increasing the guest authors is fine as long as the authors have creditability and respect in the mustachian community.  Also, if he invited mustachians who have just reached FIRE in last few years by following his advice, those people would probably make good guest authors as well.
 
   
 

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2014, 01:32:25 PM »
I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum. 


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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2014, 01:49:02 PM »
The problem is that the MMM website is primarily valuable only because MMM himself is the one writing it. It's not really a business that somebody else could take over.

True. I stopped reading GRS after the real guy left.

You may think you did, but the announcement that it was sold happened years after it was actually sold, due to NDAs.

If MMM sold, it might not be the same. Look how much hoopla was caused just by changing some pictures. If he sold it, there were would be pandemonium. =-D

How would we know?

One difference is JD started phasing in other writers, so that when it was sold they could do more and more of that.  MMM writes all the articles as of now.  I wonder how hard it would be to duplicate his "voice."

I stopped reading it back when the guy left--not when he announced he left. I did not know he had left. Just was not liking the content as much around then. Now, I have a reason as to why that may have been.

We might not know, and who cares if we do? As you say about various topics: "/shrug." I was joking about the pandemonium.






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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2014, 02:10:04 PM »
Wait, I thought MMM was fake and that it was actually a team of writers.  I could of sworn I read that somewhere on the internets. 

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2014, 04:13:31 PM »
Last week I listened to an interview of the founder and former owner of "Get Rich Slowly". He sold his blog for over $1MM. How much exactly he will not divuldge, all I know is it was at least 7 figures.

I caught that too and enjoyed it.  It's a Mad Fientist podcast if any of you want to check it out.

http://www.madfientist.com/jd-roth-interview/

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2014, 05:59:09 PM »
I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum.

Often during takeovers like that moderation teams change, and sites that were formerly lax are no longer so.  That would be disappointing, but likely if MMM ever sold the site.
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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2014, 08:45:07 PM »
I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum.

Often during takeovers like that moderation teams change, and sites that were formerly lax are no longer so.  That would be disappointing, but likely if MMM ever sold the site.

I couldn't say why, but when I saw a response from ARebelSpy, I was half expecting you to say it has been sold.  In your straight to the point, nonchalant kind of way.

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2014, 11:59:57 PM »
I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum.

Often during takeovers like that moderation teams change, and sites that were formerly lax are no longer so.  That would be disappointing, but likely if MMM ever sold the site.

I couldn't say why, but when I saw a response from ARebelSpy, I was half expecting you to say it has been sold.  In your straight to the point, nonchalant kind of way.

It was clearly sold on August 12, 2013, a day which will live in infamy.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2014, 06:14:56 AM »
I doubt MMM would be worth as much as GRS.  GRS is more consumerist geared than MMM.  What are advertisers going to advertiser to people who go to this site?  Many of us are big savers and not big spenders.  I would think GRS attracts a different type of people, definitely less "hardcore" than the common reader here.  Just my thoughts.

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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2014, 06:27:30 AM »
I doubt MMM would be worth as much as GRS.  GRS is more consumerist geared than MMM.  What are advertisers going to advertiser to people who go to this site?  Many of us are big savers and not big spenders.  I would think GRS attracts a different type of people, definitely less "hardcore" than the common reader here.  Just my thoughts.
Maybe Vanguard could find a few $MM in their promotional budget.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2014, 08:08:23 AM »
I agree or feel the same as Dragoncar. I come here for the forum not the blog anymore. The question to me would be more if MMM quit writing the blog would the forum still be as good. Time will only tell. Gotta respect what hes accomplished and if he wants or has sold it more power to him.

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2014, 10:18:11 AM »
I agree or feel the same as Dragoncar. I come here for the forum not the blog anymore. The question to me would be more if MMM quit writing the blog would the forum still be as good. Time will only tell. Gotta respect what hes accomplished and if he wants or has sold it more power to him.

I tend to think so... We've had influxes (I've heard) from various mainstream articles and those who get it seem to stay and those who don't seem to leave. 

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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 11:26:32 AM »
Glad to see I wasn't the only one getting sick of Honey's repetitive student loan posts.  By the time I left, I was only enjoying maybe 1 writer's posts...not worth checking anymore.  I actually found MMM from the GRS comments on an article.  Good switch IMO.

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 08:52:14 PM »
It's hard to know when to sell a blog, but there are certain indicators:
-  When the market becomes hugely overvalued.  That happened several times in the last five years but maybe blog valuation tools are more established today.  Valuations between 12x-36x monthly income are typical.  Still, what if someone offers 40x-50x the blog's monthly income?  With that sort of lump-sum payout, MMM could set up a foundation or a college scholarship fund or a think tank. 
- When you're burned out and run out of things to say.
- When you want to hand off the infrastructure management to someone else... especially after a major upgrade.  Hmm.
- When blogging is dying.  What if we look at blogging five years from now the way we look at MySpace today?

I sold The-Military-Guide.com for the first & third reasons.  I felt that I had a good offer but that the market value was as rich as it was going to get.  I was also spending several hours a week on blogging chores that I didn't care for, and I wanted someone else to do them.  Instead of paying someone a salary (which means they invest as little time as possible on the blog) or splitting the revenues (which means they contribute as little effort as possible) I decided to sell the revenue stream.  The new owner (a U.S. military servicemember) is powerfully motivated to generate as much money from the blog as he can without annoying his military audience.  We set up the sale as a large donation to Wounded Warrior Project, which means that I don't have to pay taxes on it and he might be able to take a deduction.

While the new owner keeps the blog running, I get to market my books on the site (and through its attached social media).  Best of all, we set up an earnout that motivates me to stick around and write for a few years.  I'm still inspired to write to get my book in front of more eyeballs, but I'm also motivated to write to send another lump sum to a military charity.  In August 2017 we can renegotiate my writing as a freelance fee or I'll just move on to other projects.

I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum.
Often during takeovers like that moderation teams change, and sites that were formerly lax are no longer so.  That would be disappointing, but likely if MMM ever sold the site.
When Dory36 sold Early-Retirement.org to the new owner, it was a huge disappointment-- both because of Dory's abrupt change of heart, and because the new owner made a lot of dumb moves with the moderators and the members.  You moderators should max out your MMM 401(k) contributions for the full match while you still can, and make sure you get paid for your overtime!

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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2014, 07:18:11 AM »
I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum.
Often during takeovers like that moderation teams change, and sites that were formerly lax are no longer so.  That would be disappointing, but likely if MMM ever sold the site.
When Dory36 sold Early-Retirement.org to the new owner, it was a huge disappointment-- both because of Dory's abrupt change of heart, and because the new owner made a lot of dumb moves with the moderators and the members.  You moderators should max out your MMM 401(k) contributions for the full match while you still can, and make sure you get paid for your overtime!

Is that when you became moderator emeritus?
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Re: Do you ever wonder? Selling MMM
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2014, 11:11:41 AM »
I don't come for the blog anymore, so it doesn't really matter to me as long as they keep the forum.
Often during takeovers like that moderation teams change, and sites that were formerly lax are no longer so.  That would be disappointing, but likely if MMM ever sold the site.
When Dory36 sold Early-Retirement.org to the new owner, it was a huge disappointment-- both because of Dory's abrupt change of heart, and because the new owner made a lot of dumb moves with the moderators and the members.  You moderators should max out your MMM 401(k) contributions for the full match while you still can, and make sure you get paid for your overtime!

Is that when you became moderator emeritus?
Dory sold in Feb 2007 and I stuck around for a few more months but the glide slope just got steeper...

Seemed like a really big deal at the time.