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Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« on: January 28, 2015, 06:29:58 AM »
Some people brag about NOT having any credit cards.  Some people even "celebrate" the cutting, freezing or otherwise incapacitating of their credit cards to keep themselves from using them.  I think those folks are looking at credit cards the wrong way.

Even though I do not carry any balances on them, I have over 2 dozen active credit cards.  And I view and use them as very useful money management tools that help me live better and cheaper.

How many credit cards do you have?  Are they your friends?

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2015, 06:48:05 AM »
I have 15. Not only have I not paid interest in almost 10 years, but I've racked up almost $4000 in signup bonuses and cash back in the last 2 years. Definitely friends.

I'm working on the latest one right now, AMEX Premier Gold. $500 in points after $2000 MS. I knew I was going to buy a lot of material to insulate/air seal the house. So, between materials, my first new bike (I'm 31, it's a 29er), and some groceries, I'm almost done and the card will have bought the bike!

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 07:17:37 AM »
We have 1 card that we use, a VISA issued by our credit union.  We use it for online purchases and to buy gasoline.    We pay it off well before the due date.   

I'm not really tempted to get cards with reward systems.   

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 07:22:55 AM »
I don't understand the folks who brag about not having any credit cards.  It's almost like bragging that you don't use forks.  Sure, you can get by without them, and yes, they can be dangerous in the wrong hands, but if you have any self-control at all, credit cards are pure utility.  You're getting free cash flow with almost no downside.

hahaha I agree! and I feel the same way about people who brag about not having a microwave. congrats, I don't fucking care!

that said, I only have two credit cards. I think I would get way confused/stressed having as many as you guys, plus I don't spend enough for really more than one rewards program to be worth it. I have an AMEX Blue Cash Preferred as my main card, and then a Wells Fargo Visa for places that don't take AMEX and because it's the oldest thing on my credit file.

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 07:23:46 AM »
I have one credit card from my bank (not counting my work corporate card).  I use it regularly and don't really carry a significant balance on it at all.  I'm not even sure why I use it or carry a balance though other than trying to earn a few points on the rewards program.  I've just never wanted to deal with having multiple cards.  My one card has a decent rate, no yearly fee and a more than adequate credit limit.  I've seen lots of posts about people travel-hacking and earning all kinds of miles and credits but I just don't think that I want to mess with all of that.  I don't generally spend enough to make it worthwhile in my opinion.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 07:42:58 AM »
I have three- one for gas&groceries, one for everything else, and my old Discover card that I don't really use since we got the other two.

24 seems like a lot to keep up with.  But if it works for you, more power to you.

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2015, 07:51:09 AM »
I have 15 cards personally and my wife has a bunch but I don't know how many.  Most of mine never leave the sock drawer - I used them to get a reward and they just sit dormant.  This quarter I'm using three cards when I can - Discover for 5% off on gasoline, Chase Freedom for 5% off on groceries and Citi Double Cash for 2% off on all else.  And Target store card for 5% off at Target all the time.  What I find the simplest is to pay off every card every weekend.  Whatever cards are in my wallet are the ones I'm using so I know who I need to pay.  Not using credit cards is leaving money on the proverbial table - easy money.

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2015, 08:15:30 AM »
I have 5 cards...two of which I signed up for specifically for points that are now dormant. I have 3 that are in regular rotation, one for joint household expenses, one for me and one for work.   There are so many promotions etc that I can see the temptation to sign up for more to get the rewards, but for me...it is too much like work and I don't have the time right now.  Maybe in the future! 

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2015, 08:26:33 AM »
I have one credit card, and it's the same card I've had since I was in my 20s. Mine has sufficient rewards, travel insurance, etc. But then, I am one of those apparently rare people who prefers using cash. I could do without a CC if it weren't for making reservations and shopping online. DH also has only one card.

I've never carried a balance on it -- it's paid off every month. I like having minimal cards in my wallet, and a minimal amount of bills to keep track of! It's not worth the rewards for me to juggle more than one card.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2015, 08:35:58 AM »
Amex for me, Visa for hubby. And a cubby full of plastic with no balances which were used, paid off and put away. What's in your pocket? ... no much. ;-)

Like couponing, I don't have the patience to chase down multiple short term offers from credit card companies. Keep it simple.

We actually used a debit card for years until our card info and pin was stolen at a gas station. NEVER use a debit card in public.

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2015, 08:39:01 AM »
I used to have a bunch, but it was too much of a headache for me. Now I have my everyday one and my travel one, and that's perfect for me.

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2015, 09:01:15 AM »
Two.  One for Air Miles, one (recent) for cash back.  Plus a debit card.  Even two sometimes feels like one too many, which one do I use when I am shopping - decisions, decisions.  I don't spend enough to churn cards, and I don't see as many sweet deals here in Canada.

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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2015, 09:08:42 AM »
My opinion is you only have too much when it becomes too burdensome for you to keep track of them all. Sounds like you're managing them just fine.

I don't understand the folks who brag about not having any credit cards.  It's almost like bragging that you don't use forks.  Sure, you can get by without them, and yes, they can be dangerous in the wrong hands, but if you have any self-control at all, credit cards are pure utility.  You're getting free cash flow with almost no downside.

hahaha I agree! and I feel the same way about people who brag about not having a microwave. congrats, I don't fucking care!
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In November I signed up for 2 Amex's with 10k and 50k signup bonuses. On Monday I transferred 58k points to Delta, combined it with my 12k Delta mileage balance, and booked a flight that is priced at $3763.69 (though there were taxes and fees of $81.60, and it cost $34.80 to transfer the points from Amex to Delta) [Also, there was a booking mishap that skewed the value of the flight upwards]. How's that for a return on a combined $2000 minimum spend over 3 months, which I decided to meet in the first month by buying Visa gift cards (which incurred $33.68 in fees, but I also got $50 in Amex Offer statement credits because I bought a couple at Best Buy, so really I made $16.32 doing that). I then returned the Visa gift card balances to my bank account through Evolve Money (though you can do this with an Amex Serve also, and that is the path I recommend).
If you're interested in the details, you can read my blog post about it: https://fiby40.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/my-april-vacation-to-korea-and-japan-booked-with-miles/


I now have eight credit cards. I still want more.

My cards:
  • Bank of America 3-2-1 Cash Rewards - product changed from my first credit card, a secured credit card. I had a literally blank credit report when I got that card back in Sept. 2013. Don't use this anymore because I get better rewards on my other cards
  • Capital One Journey Rewards - 1.25% cash back, no foreign transaction fee (my only FTF fee card)
  • Sallie Mae Mastercard - 5% back on first $250/$250/$750 on gas, groceries, and Amazon per month, 1% thereafter
  • Bank of America Better Balance Rewards - when used properly, you can get $120 in rewards for just like $2 of spending a month
  • Amex Everyday - 10k signup bonus. I use this as my flat rate card these days, as I can potentially get 1.2 points per dollar spent on non bonused categories, and Amex points can be worth a lot
  • Amex Premier Rewards Gold - 50k signup bonus. Only used for signup bonus and 3x points on airfare. Will cancel by month 10 because of $175 annual fee (waived first year)
  • Chase Freedom - 20k points signup bonus. I am hanging onto these points so that when I get a Chase Sapphire Preferred, I can transfer the points to it, and then transfer to airlines. Also, some of the rotating categories are pretty good
  • US Airways Mastercard - 50k miles signup bonus for just paying the $89 fee and making one purchase. Easiest signup bonus ever! I'll probably use these miles on AA, post merge, for a trip to Peru in the off season, and still have 20k miles left over

Cards I want:
  • Barclaycard Arrival+ to offset some of the hotel and land travel costs that I will incur on the trip I booked for April (signup bonus of 40,000 points worth $444.44 towards travel expenses, $3000 minimum spend over 3 months). Also makes a good everyday spending card for the first year (2.2222% cash back, but $89 annual fee after first year)
  • Citi Double Cash - 2% flat rate on everything, no annual fee. Only makes sense to get it after I cancel the Arrival+
  • Chase Sapphire Preferred - 40k points signup bonus for $4000 in spend over 3 months. I'm waiting until I've used my AA miles to get this one, and have an idea what kind of trip I want to take. I will transfer my Chase Freedom points (currently have 27k) to the CSP so I can transfer them all to partner airlines.

What helps me manage them all is to change the statement close dates to all be about the same time each month. Sometimes you can do this on the website, and sometimes you have to call in. Either way, without being able to do this, I would drive myself crazy having 8 bills scattered all over the month.[/list]

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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 09:23:32 AM »
I have 5 cards which I am in the process of snowballing. My hope, expectation, plan - is to get down to zero balance on them all. IDK if I am up for travel hacking and all that - a lot of work and I tend to not keep track of that stuff. Regardless, that will be several years off. My preference, and historically what I do - is have only 1 or 2 cards with zero balance.

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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 10:11:08 AM »
I usually have up to half a dozen cards at any one point, but I find that having more than that becomes a bit stressful to manage. Once I meet the spending threshhold to get the rewards and welcome/signup bonuses, I mothball them then cancel before the annual fee kicks in. I am taking a mental break now and I am down to one card, but I just received another in the mail so I will cancel the other in a few weeks before the annual fee is charged. I just discovered a few more interesting cards so I am ready to start the game again. By churning travel cards, I figure I save about $3000 a year in travel costs. In Canada, we don't have the variety of cards you guys have in the USA, and I am running out of options. I am wondering how long we should wait to re-apply for a card that has been canceled.

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2015, 04:02:44 PM »
I have three- one for gas&groceries, one for everything else, and my old Discover card that I don't really use since we got the other two.

24 seems like a lot to keep up with.  But if it works for you, more power to you.

I may have 26 credit cards, but that does not mean I use them all at once!  Generally, I have 3 in my wallet.  Which 3 those are depends on what card is offering what cashback bonus at the time.  Other than that, I pull one other card out of the old card binder once a  month and run ONE charge through it just to keep it active.  Rinse and repeat the next month.  (Why?  To keep the cards active and preempt being charged an annual fee due to nonactivity.)

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2015, 04:31:22 PM »
I mainly use one travel rewards card. We also have an Amazon VISA that we use when we buy groceries and stuff on Amazon. I have a few more that I got specifically for the signup bonuses. I plan to do some travel hacking. But I don't pay attention to what's 5% cashback this month--too much trouble.

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2015, 05:07:14 PM »
I just grabbed the Barclay's Arrival a few weeks ago, still have to hit the spend.  But I have around 15 cards open right now.

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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2015, 07:51:47 PM »
...But I don't pay attention to what's 5% cashback this month--too much trouble.

What I think is a convenient way to take advantage of the 5% cashback categories (i.e. 5% on groceries this quarter with Chase Freedom) is to go out and spend the $1,500 in full immediately.  Of course this is provided the category is something where you typically would spend money - 5% off at SBUX or movies (the other two Chase categories this quarter) has no appeal for me at all. 

For this quarter you could buy store gift cards from whatever grocer(s) you frequent.  Or you could go out and buy three $500 Visa gift cards (paying a $5.95 vigorish for each) and then either unload them or use for general spending.  Then put the card back in your sock drawer and pay it in full as soon as the purchase(s) post to your account. 

If you buy grocery gift cards you are spending $1,425 for $1,500 in groceries.  Or to put it another way, you are making 5.26% on your $1,425 investment.  Not a bad return.  But like I said, this is what is convenient for me - it may not work for everyone.

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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2015, 08:17:48 PM »
If you buy grocery gift cards you are spending $1,425 for $1,500 in groceries.  Or to put it another way, you are making 5.26% on your $1,425 investment.  Not a bad return.  But like I said, this is what is convenient for me - it may not work for everyone.
Not quite true. You have to subtract the earnings of your next best card for groceries, whatever that happens to be, because that is your true gain. Or the rate of your best flat rate card. So you have to subtract at least 1%, since virtually every rewards earning card gets at least 1%.

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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2015, 08:36:45 PM »
I have 6 - have had as many as 12 at one time. Anyone I have ever discussed this with is horrified, even after I explain that I never carry a balance and use them only for interest free periods, collecting reward points (including bonuses) and a lovely little earner in Australia called 'cheque to self' from Citibank (not sure if you can get this in the US).

I pay everything on my credit card (bills, direct debits, groceries - you name it I pay it on credit). I put aside the money that i would have spent in a high interest account and pay the credit card on the due date.

I utilise bonus sign up frequent flyer points on cards and have amassed enough in the last 10 months for a business class around the world ticket for a total outlay of $575 (I will have to pay taxes on the flight but it's still a ripper saving)

Cheque to self is a great concept - Citibank offer a 0% balance transfer deal for credit card balances, but if you don't have any credit card debt then you can opt for a cheque for 80% of your credit limit for 0% interest for the interest free period (in my case 6 months). I have put the very large cheque in my high interest savings account and will make about $570 'free money' over the interest free period.

Credit cards are just another one of the tools financially responsible people can use to work for them.

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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2015, 08:52:21 PM »
If you buy grocery gift cards you are spending $1,425 for $1,500 in groceries.  Or to put it another way, you are making 5.26% on your $1,425 investment.  Not a bad return.  But like I said, this is what is convenient for me - it may not work for everyone.
Not quite true. You have to subtract the earnings of your next best card for groceries, whatever that happens to be, because that is your true gain. Or the rate of your best flat rate card. So you have to subtract at least 1%, since virtually every rewards earning card gets at least 1%.

I would disagree that you need to subtract anything.  Your return is on a $1,425 investment is 5.26% --- 75 / 1,425 = 5.26%  Admittedly you could have used a Citi Double Cash card and your return would be 30 / 1,470 or 2.04%.  But we can't say that the return for using a 5% cash back card is 3.22% (5.26% - 2.04%) because that isn't true.  Your return is 5.26%.

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2015, 10:05:10 PM »
If you buy grocery gift cards you are spending $1,425 for $1,500 in groceries.  Or to put it another way, you are making 5.26% on your $1,425 investment.  Not a bad return.  But like I said, this is what is convenient for me - it may not work for everyone.
Not quite true. You have to subtract the earnings of your next best card for groceries, whatever that happens to be, because that is your true gain. Or the rate of your best flat rate card. So you have to subtract at least 1%, since virtually every rewards earning card gets at least 1%.

I would disagree that you need to subtract anything.  Your return is on a $1,425 investment is 5.26% --- 75 / 1,425 = 5.26%  Admittedly you could have used a Citi Double Cash card and your return would be 30 / 1,470 or 2.04%.  But we can't say that the return for using a 5% cash back card is 3.22% (5.26% - 2.04%) because that isn't true.  Your return is 5.26%.
It is, because now you're trading $1425 of cold hard cash, which can be used for anything, into a less liquid pseudo currency, a grocery gift card. While the gift card balance is still positive, you could have invested this money elsewhere.
Instead, you could just continue buying groceries with a 2% flat rate card without having to make this "investment," and park your cash anywhere you like.  So your gain is only 3.22%

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2015, 10:12:47 PM »
If you buy grocery gift cards you are spending $1,425 for $1,500 in groceries.  Or to put it another way, you are making 5.26% on your $1,425 investment.  Not a bad return.  But like I said, this is what is convenient for me - it may not work for everyone.
Not quite true. You have to subtract the earnings of your next best card for groceries, whatever that happens to be, because that is your true gain. Or the rate of your best flat rate card. So you have to subtract at least 1%, since virtually every rewards earning card gets at least 1%.

I would disagree that you need to subtract anything.  Your return is on a $1,425 investment is 5.26% --- 75 / 1,425 = 5.26%  Admittedly you could have used a Citi Double Cash card and your return would be 30 / 1,470 or 2.04%.  But we can't say that the return for using a 5% cash back card is 3.22% (5.26% - 2.04%) because that isn't true.  Your return is 5.26%.
It is, because now you're trading $1425 of cold hard cash, which can be used for anything, into a less liquid pseudo currency, a grocery gift card. While the gift card balance is still positive, you could have invested this money elsewhere.
Instead, you could just continue buying groceries with a 2% flat rate card without having to make this "investment," and park your cash anywhere you like.  So your gain is only 3.22%

I can see that we could say that the marginal gain is 3.22% by using a 5% cash back card vs. a 2% cash back card but I think it is pretty much indisputable that 75 / 1,425 = 5.26%.  That is what you are making.

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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2015, 10:29:06 PM »
If you buy grocery gift cards you are spending $1,425 for $1,500 in groceries.  Or to put it another way, you are making 5.26% on your $1,425 investment.  Not a bad return.  But like I said, this is what is convenient for me - it may not work for everyone.
Not quite true. You have to subtract the earnings of your next best card for groceries, whatever that happens to be, because that is your true gain. Or the rate of your best flat rate card. So you have to subtract at least 1%, since virtually every rewards earning card gets at least 1%.

I would disagree that you need to subtract anything.  Your return is on a $1,425 investment is 5.26% --- 75 / 1,425 = 5.26%  Admittedly you could have used a Citi Double Cash card and your return would be 30 / 1,470 or 2.04%.  But we can't say that the return for using a 5% cash back card is 3.22% (5.26% - 2.04%) because that isn't true.  Your return is 5.26%.
It is, because now you're trading $1425 of cold hard cash, which can be used for anything, into a less liquid pseudo currency, a grocery gift card. While the gift card balance is still positive, you could have invested this money elsewhere.
Instead, you could just continue buying groceries with a 2% flat rate card without having to make this "investment," and park your cash anywhere you like.  So your gain is only 3.22%

I can see that we could say that the marginal gain is 3.22% by using a 5% cash back card vs. a 2% cash back card but I think it is pretty much indisputable that 75 / 1,425 = 5.26%.  That is what you are making.
Oh no I'm not disputing that 75/1425 = 5.26% by any stretch of the imagination.

What I'm talking about is economic profit, whereas you're talking about accounting profit. Your true economic gain incorporates the opportunity cost of giving up a 2% reward which you can always get anywhere is 3.22%.

But I bring this up because economic profit is what you really should be using in making decisions. For example, suppose you have a BS and you're contemplating getting a MS. With a BS, your starting salary is $60k. Your MS will cost you $50k, but your starting salary will be 80k higher.
Suppose the MS takes one year.
By the end of your first year at your job post MS, accounting profit would say that you spent $50k, and then made $80k, so you're up $30k.
But economic profit says you actually lost $90k. By starting with a BS, you would've made $120k in two years.

Can you really say by the end of two years that you're $30k better off by getting a MS? No, you cannot.
(Obviously a MS will pay off in the long run with these numbers...but that's beside the point of this example).

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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2015, 10:51:04 PM »
To frame this in the context of the grocery gift card situation:
Suppose $1500 is your yearly grocery budget. Also suppose you have a different credit card that earns 2% on grocery stores (and you're not gonna reach any cap on these rewards).
Now by buying these gift cards, that's money that's sitting as a gift card balance, not in a bank account. So you're giving up interest on $1500.

So when making the decision to buy the gift cards, should you be looking out for bank accounts yielding at least 5.26% interest? No. You should be looking for bank accounts that yield at least 3.22% interest, because you're also still getting 2.04% from your Citi Double Cash. If you find a bank account yielding at least 3.22%, you should put your $1500 there, and then use it to pay the bills of your Citi Double Cash that you use to buy groceries.

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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2015, 06:17:00 AM »
I have 12, but really only use 1 or 2 at a time.  And since they are all loaded onto Mint, they are very easy to manage.

... if you have any self-control at all, credit cards are pure utility.  You're getting free cash flow with almost no downside.

No cash means no loose change
No cash means I don't have to count out change
If you run into an awful business, you can dispute the transaction rather than begging for your money back
Cash rewards and Free Airline miles
Easier to track where your money goes

By using credit cards instead of cash, I'm actually being paid to do something that's more convenient for me.


These are great additional credit card advantages regarding no loose change, transaction disputes, and cost tracking.  I will be adding them on to the other "more financial' advantages that I had already gone into in my own blog post.

Thanks!

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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2015, 08:27:05 AM »
Wow! That's inspirational, I'm impressed you can keep track! Do you struggle with getting enough points/rewards to achieve the threshold for redemptions? If I spread out my purchases across multiple cards the rewards would sit a long time, I have that problem with hotel rewards for the smaller chains (I travel for work).

Some people brag about NOT having any credit cards.  Some people even "celebrate" the cutting, freezing or otherwise incapacitating of their credit cards to keep themselves from using them.  I think those folks are looking at credit cards the wrong way.

Even though I do not carry any balances on them, I have over 2 dozen active credit cards.  And I view and use them as very useful money management tools that help me live better and cheaper.

How many credit cards do you have?  Are they your friends?

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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2015, 08:32:43 AM »
We have four, or five.  ; ) 

We added Target several years ago due to the 5% discount.

I used to really work the introductory offers, but I don't lately.  All have decent rewards programs.  Thinking about adding one more that has better rewards.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2015, 08:40:51 AM »
I have an old Bank of America MasterCard that I never use but since it's old and in good standing I've kept it.  I also have a Costco Amex and a Fidelity Investment Rewards Amex.  I've been thinking about starting to avoid debit cards so I might put the MasterCard back into rotation for those places that don't take Amex.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2015, 09:24:50 AM »
I've got 2 Credit Cards and then my Debit Card.  One is a USAA card and the other is the Sallie Mae card.  Only the Sallie Mae get use.   I picked Sallie Mae because it gave the highest amount of rewards based on my spending habits.

To me churning for rewards isn't worth the effort.  I guess I could make $2000 or so a year, but it just isn't for me.  I'm a set it and forget it type guy which doesn't exactly mesh with the whole churning thing.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2015, 02:07:44 PM »
If you find a bank account yielding at least 3.22%...

Please let me know!!


Anyway, I have 4 now, two that I've had for quite a while with USAA and Navy Fed, and I now have a Southwest Plus and Premiere card.  Gonna get the Companion pass this year! 

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2015, 02:28:06 PM »
For those that have 10+ cards that they opened for the signing bonuses, what is the reason for not canceling them after the rewards are earned?  I want to try my hand at travel hacking but I don't want to have that many accounts open because it seems like it would be hassle to track just in case some weird activity showed up.  Does it ding your credit score to close accounts?

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2015, 02:35:59 PM »
If you find a bank account yielding at least 3.22%...

Please let me know!!


Anyway, I have 4 now, two that I've had for quite a while with USAA and Navy Fed, and I now have a Southwest Plus and Premiere card.  Gonna get the Companion pass this year!
I do have a rewards checking account from Consumers Credit Union that earns 3.09% on the first $10k, which works well for me because my bank account balance never exceeds $10k.
To reach 3.09% you need to do the following:
  • Log into online banking at least once a month
  • Make at least 12 debit card point of sale transactions a month (ie, not ATM withdrawals)
  • Some ACH activity (push or pull)
  • Receive online statements
#1 and 4 are easy. For #2, I schedule daily loads to Amex Serve from my CCU debit card every month, with an end date on the 12th of the month. Then, I withdraw the debit loads from Serve to my CCU bank account, satisfying #3.

If you get a CC from CCU, and make 12 transactions a month on that, you get 4.09% on first $20k. And then, purchase at least $1000 on the CC in a month, get 5.09% on first $20k. I don't think these hoops are worth it for the extra interest, but to each their own.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2015, 02:44:37 PM »
For those that have 10+ cards that they opened for the signing bonuses, what is the reason for not canceling them after the rewards are earned?  I want to try my hand at travel hacking but I don't want to have that many accounts open because it seems like it would be hassle to track just in case some weird activity showed up.  Does it ding your credit score to close accounts?

If you close out really old (still open) accounts then yes your score could be negatively impacted.  Closing brand new cards won't hurt you at all.  I'll probably never close my USAA credit card because I've had it for ~10 years now, but at least one of my SW cards will be on the chopping block pretty soon.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2015, 07:11:23 PM »
I had approximately 46 active at one point back when I was doing serious credit card hacking.  A while ago I decided it wasn't worth the hacking hassle, so I decided to stop and trim down to only the ones I really wanted to keep, which was 6 of them.

Even though I thought I was super talented keeping track of all of them (I am an INTJ after all :-) ), it was mildly disconcerting to discover that the lists in my Excel spreadsheet, Quicken, the three credit bureaus, the various credit card company websites, and my hanging file folder full of cards didn't line up 100% like I thought they should.  So it ended up being a little messy and took a little time, but I did get back down to six cards.

Now I've decided to do some basic travel hacking, and so I have those six plus another 4 or so for about 10 total.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2015, 07:53:21 PM »
My spouse won't let me play the CC game, unfortunately.  Pretty annoying because I have a lot of reimbursable expenses for work that I pay for myself--getting basically any reward is easy for me.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2015, 08:09:27 PM »
I have two, both through my bank.  As soon as I got the first one, they offered me another one with way better rewards. 

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2015, 10:17:45 PM »
I had approximately 46 active at one point back when I was doing serious credit card hacking.  A while ago I decided it wasn't worth the hacking hassle, so I decided to stop and trim down to only the ones I really wanted to keep, which was 6 of them.

Even though I thought I was super talented keeping track of all of them (I am an INTJ after all :-) ), it was mildly disconcerting to discover that the lists in my Excel spreadsheet, Quicken, the three credit bureaus, the various credit card company websites, and my hanging file folder full of cards didn't line up 100% like I thought they should.  So it ended up being a little messy and took a little time, but I did get back down to six cards.

Now I've decided to do some basic travel hacking, and so I have those six plus another 4 or so for about 10 total.

How did your credit score vary during this journey to 46 cards?  And perhaps more important, how did it vary as you dropped back down to six cards?

I honestly didn't keep very close track.  I do know that it was 782 when I had 27 cards back in 2008, and then dropped to 696 when I did my second round of credit hacking that got me up into that 46 card range.  At that point I had $881,800 in credit lines and had borrowed $454,422 on 15 different credit cards, so I wasn't exactly surprised to see it so low.  It did recover over time, though, and as of today CreditKarma says that my score is 836(TU)/834(Equifax).

If the above paragraph sounds crazy and you want to read the story here's a link:

  http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/813161

This was back when the credit card companies were frankly crazy and I was able to take full advantage of it.  They have tightened things up a lot and today's low interest rates make what I did there a lot less profitable.  But there are still angles for those willing to put in the time and effort and are able to be meticulously organized.
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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2015, 10:33:44 AM »
As long as the cards are used wisely, is there every too many? ;)

I use:
Citi Doublecash for most everything at 2%.
Chase Freedom for things within the 5% category
BofA Americard Rewards for the cash back deals when they fit my needs, usually 10% cash back as a statement credit.
Amex Costco Truerewards... use this for costco trips and occasionally for gas in the Saab.

Beyond that... also have
CapitalOne QuickSilver.  Don't use it but if I have a foreign purchase this one is FTF free.
Recently got a Chase Slate to utilize for the 0% balance transfer, but didn't work out the way I wanted it to.

My wife has another amex golf delta, chase freedom, capitalone qs, citibank?, and discover.

Looking into the card hacking thing a little bit more, and I am about to make a couple of card swaps.  I am new.

Never really knew about these till now.
Bank of America Better Balance Rewards card seems like a good fit for me to make $120/yr just putting my huluplus sub on it.
Sallie Mae MC seems like a good fit to get 5% on gas/groceries/amazon almost all the time.

Amex Blue Cash Pref is 6% on groceries, but does have the $95/yr fee... it still would probably work out to our benefit though (fam of 4, not mustachian enough on the grocery bill)

Chase Sapphire Pref for the signup bonus plus 20% off travel?  need to look into that bit.
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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2015, 10:35:24 AM »
I only have 1 and I use it for my everyday expenses. It's cashback reward, I make it work for me. I don't carry a balance on it.

I closed 2 other accounts a few years ago (store cards), I never used them, but I got them because I could get a discount on the furnitures I wanted to buy. I didn't want to keep empty credit cards because I had heard they would still be calculated into my ''debt ratio'' once I'm ready to purchase a house. I want to have more options when it comes to the range of prices and the type of house I could afford, so I got rid of the useless cards.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2015, 05:52:25 AM »
... I didn't want to keep empty credit cards because I had heard they would still be calculated into my ''debt ratio'' once I'm ready to purchase a house. I want to have more options when it comes to the range of prices and the type of house I could afford, so I got rid of the useless cards.

When your credit score gets calculated, "empty" credit cards work IN your favor, because they lower your owed balance to available credit ratio.  And the lower that is, the higher your credit score.  And it is a fact that a higher credit score helps you get credit and at lower interest rates.  So...

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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2015, 06:01:10 AM »
I have seven credit cards, but they all have different rewards programs that benefit me in different ways so I see no reason to reduce my count.  In addition, when cards get inevitably compromised by hackers, I have plenty of other options, so it never really affects me.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2015, 01:59:59 AM »
Looking into the card hacking thing a little bit more, and I am about to make a couple of card swaps.  I am new.

Never really knew about these till now.
Bank of America Better Balance Rewards card seems like a good fit for me to make $120/yr just putting my huluplus sub on it.
Sallie Mae MC seems like a good fit to get 5% on gas/groceries/amazon almost all the time.

Amex Blue Cash Pref is 6% on groceries, but does have the $95/yr fee... it still would probably work out to our benefit though (fam of 4, not mustachian enough on the grocery bill)

Chase Sapphire Pref for the signup bonus plus 20% off travel?  need to look into that bit.

Well the Sallie Mae MC is on its way.  Applied online Friday and got an email saturday that I was approved.

One down, a couple more to go. ;)

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2015, 05:05:59 AM »
Make sure you track bank fees on unused cards....I was just charged a 9$ fee on a card I had not used for a year.  The bank reversed it when I complained.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2015, 08:39:08 PM »
Just started credit card hacking earlier this year, picked up 4 new cards in addition to my trusty old one. I've always taken after my parents' very conservative attitude about using credit cards, so just baby steps to test the waters. For the time being, I stuck with the low-hanging fruit on cards with no annual fees and low enough minimum-spends to correspond roughly with my normal spending patterns. I was surprised to learn the extent to which I was leaving money on the table and how lucrative gaming the system can be when done efficiently.

I have seven credit cards, but they all have different rewards programs that benefit me in different ways so I see no reason to reduce my count.  In addition, when cards get inevitably compromised by hackers, I have plenty of other options, so it never really affects me.

Hadn't really thought about it being an insurance policy against having my CC hacked, but also a good point.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2015, 12:00:21 PM »
added another card today.

BofA wouldnt just plain convert my existing card to a better balance card... so i applied for one instead.
not that i really need $16k in new available credit :D

but being able to pull down essentially $10/mo for spending $8/mo isn't a bad return for the very small amount of time to administer.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2015, 03:40:16 PM »
I have 20+ open at the moment.  Hundreds on my credit report.  I have greatly benefited from all the sign up and spending offers in the past.

Did only 450k of ms on a 5% card.  You can do the math.

I am on my 11th citi executive card in the past 13 month. 

Just checkout flyertalk.com
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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2015, 03:54:13 PM »
I have one and carry no balance. Credit score has been over 810 for years now so the lack of cards doesn't seem to be hurting me.

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Re: Do I Have Too Many Credit Cards? Do You?
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2015, 10:32:26 AM »
Everyone probably has a different sweet spot where cashback/cashflow, credit-rating effects, and your tolerance for the PITA of managing accounts all converge. For me, one primary and one secondary cashback card, paid off monthly, are for everyday expenses. Then I have a bunch of store cards -- maybe half a dozen? -- for their specific occasional benefits, like an extra 10% off at the seasonal clothing-store clearances, though these probably aren't used more than once a year or so. Minimal time and effort, and a nice little return, so it works for me.