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dougstash

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DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« on: July 14, 2024, 12:46:45 PM »
I’m faced with a problem. I’m currently stuck paying over 500 per month to park just to go to work. Obviously this is outrageous and commuting by bike would be the better option. I’ve done it before (30 min to get to work, about 50 min to get home) 

I would be okay with that if it was a desk job but my job but is not. I perform manual labor and by the end of the day I’m sweaty, covered in fiberglass insulation, drywall dust, metal dust and concrete dust. In the summer heat it’s not fun to ride a bike in those conditions especially when there is just about no pedestrian or bicycle infrastructure integrated into my commute across town.

The easiest solution I can think of?  E-bike!

I’m torn between buying a pre made or going DIY.

If I were to go DIY I’d be getting a 1000W Bafang mid drive motor. I’d need a donor bike, a battery, probably need to do some janky looking modifications and imagine all in I’d be somewhere around 1400. I’m also considering something professionally made off the shelf like the freesky X-6E for just under $1600 shipped to my door.  This would be professionally made with a high quality 25ah battery made with Samsung cells. Shimano shifter, hydrologic brakes, battery integrated into the frame. But unfortunately would be a rear hub drive motor but for the slight increase in cost of a pre made bike it’s hard to justify going DIY at least for now as all I want is something to cut my commute down and get up some of Pittsburghs steep streets with more ease after a day of hard work. 

Can someone just tell me what to get? Any recommendations?

I just don’t know what to do

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2024, 02:39:41 PM »
If you want a decent, gets-the-job-done ebike, I would go with Lectric or Rad. They're going to be rear hub motors, with cadence vs torque sensor varying by brand. (I think Rad is all cadence, Lectric has some with torque sensors now. Torque is generally pricier but better.) Ideally, check that whatever you're getting has hydraulic disk brakes rather than mechanical. Maybe look at utility or cargo bikes if you want to carry tools, etc. with you?

Overall, there's so many <$1500 ebikes nowadays with decent quality that I wouldn't recommend anyone DIY. A lot of the Chinese-manufactured stuff has gotten much better, and even if a rear-hub isn't going to give you that ultra smooth ride, it'll get you from point A to point B pretty quickly and easily.

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2024, 04:47:14 PM »
I built the Bafang mid-drive BBSHD with a 48V/14A battery. It has ~4000 miles on it now more or less. Battery is doing well. I don't ride full throttle much. It isn't built for speed, It is built for hills of which we have many so its top speed is maybe 25 mph.

The bike has had it's issues. Worn out wheels, tires, brakes, seats, derailleurs. I learned how to buy better than bottom of the barrel components but never the best components.

The Bafang kit needed a steel gear replaced inside and I did that myself. The nylon gear that is inside was the natural failure point I thought but it hasn't failed. I am careful not to lay on the throttle when there is slack in the drivetrain (chain, sprocket). Pedal away from a stop on pedal assist, then add throttle as necessary

Base bike: 2008 Trek 4300 that I already owned b/c our budget was thin back then
Tire upgrade: from stock Bontrager tires which wore quickly on pavement to Schwalbe Marathon. Still have these tires with thousands of miles on them.
Brake upgrade from Trek rim brakes to Tektro budget cable disc brakes (~$20 per wheel). Rim brakes wore through the rims at one point.
Seat / handlebars: Origin 8 parts
Wheels: Wheelmaster wheels. Did go with Bontrager for the second set but the spokes stretched and needed adjustment often. Wheelmaster wheels are more utility like, larger diameter spokes I think, affordable.

Charger: Luna Cycle 80/90/100% charger. Early on the chargers would fail regularly. The last one is a few years old now. I always charge to 80% or less. I park it with ~30-60% charge if I can. If I'm not riding it, I store it with ~50% or so in the battery. Sometimes I charge in the evening. Sometimes I wake up early and charge in the early morning. Always outside or with the open garage door or on the porch so I can toss a flaming battery into the yard. Smoke alarm. Never a battery problem.

Lights: https://www.brighteyesproducts.com/ and Ascher USB Rechargeable LED Bike Tail Light 2 Pack I'm on the second battery pack of the light. Taillights are 3-4 years old.
Locks: InBike Folding Bike Lock Orange Anti-hydraulic (Amazon, off-brand) and 12mm Bicycle Wheel Portable Locks (locking cable loop), bright color locks so the thief might be deterred

Advice: depending on where you work and live don't leave it outside with any lock unless you can absorb the cost of replacing the bike. A cordless grinder will cut through any lock quickly. Lock advertisements will show how hard they are to cut with a manual lock cutter. The manual lock cutter isn't the real threat in my opinion.

At home, mine is in the garage. At work I park it inside the bldg near the room where I work. I don't charge overnight, usually just in the evening before bed or I wake up at 5AM to switch on the charger for 3 hours. I have plenty of hours to do that. I store the battery in a surplus 40mm steel grenade ammo can (I think that is the size, I can check if you like).

We also have another ebike commonly seen delivering food in big cities. It has been a good bike. ~1500 miles. Was ~$1200 several years ago. Uses very common ebike parts so even if the manufacturer can't supply parts, I can find replacements all over the web.

Hope this was helpful. 

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2024, 08:07:00 PM »
If you have the time, a donor bike (steel frame is ideal), like to tinker and want to build then diy.

Otherwise, just buy a good decent ebike with cadence sensor and throttle.  Aventon, Rad or REI. Cadence vs mid drive b/c you don't want to have to put in a lot of effort pedaling after doing a lot of physical labor all day.

Just know, cadence hub w/throttle uses more battery juice than mid drive w/torque.

I have a diy mid drive w/torque sensor- this is my "car" for hauling/big grocery runs.  I love riding bikes for transportation but sometimes wish I went w/cadence sensor for this build b/c it's my hauling cargo "car" replacement vs one for fun zippy rides w/torque assist.

How many miles is your commute?  Flats or hills?  Will you be able to charge at work if needed?  Do you have secure parking at work?

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2024, 09:44:31 PM »
1000W would technically be outside any of the generally legal class I/II/III ebikes.

You can ignore that of course, at your own tolerance for (legal) risk.

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2024, 09:20:12 AM »
do you want a project or do you want an ebike?

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2024, 03:10:18 PM »
My BBSHD is 1500W. I ride it everywhere but I also ride like it is a bicycle, not a scooter. No reason to make myself unwelcome by my actions.  eBikes are not heavily regulated here yet thankfully.

If I took it up north to ride the canal paths I'm sure I'd be facing lots of rules. But then again, I don't think I'd want an ebike on flat ground.

The Bafang BBS series has cadence PAS and a throttle. Would like to have a torque sensor but maybe on the next bike.

Idea: when locking an ebike somewhere, take the battery with you. I do that when I stop at the store. Just pop the battery into the grocery cart. Now the bike is worth 50% of what it was when I parked it. 

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2024, 04:06:27 PM »
I’m faced with a problem. I’m currently stuck paying over 500 per month to park just to go to work. Obviously this is outrageous and commuting by bike would be the better option. I’ve done it before (30 min to get to work, about 50 min to get home) 

I would be okay with that if it was a desk job but my job but is not. I perform manual labor and by the end of the day I’m sweaty, covered in fiberglass insulation, drywall dust, metal dust and concrete dust. In the summer heat it’s not fun to ride a bike in those conditions especially when there is just about no pedestrian or bicycle infrastructure integrated into my commute across town.

The easiest solution I can think of?  E-bike!

As someone who has bike commuted more or less my entire life and currently has an e-Bike, I don't think it's the easiest solution.  It's a good solution, but not necessarily the easiest or cheapest.

The cheapest and easiest option, one I've often used in bad weather, is what I call the Park-and-Walk.  There aren't very many places you can't find free street parking within a 20 minute walk of your destination, and it's usually much closer if you really look.  Scout out all the side streets and residential areas you could reasonably walk from, and give it a try.  Even if you go with the e-Bike eventually, this is something you can do tomorrow.  It's also a backup for when the weather exceeds your personal bike commuting threshold for nastiness.

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2024, 04:19:28 PM »
PTF

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2024, 12:58:34 PM »
I commuted on a Juiced Bike for years.  Class 3, hub motor.  Plenty powerful enough for commuting and grocery runs with a trailer.  I did move to a much hillier area and bought myself a new mid drive with enough power not to technically count as an e-bike.  A bit better for powering full loads of groceries up a steep hill, certainly, but I never come anywhere near using the full power or speed.  Partly because I strongly prefer to get exercise while riding (always pedal, never throttle), and partly because I just wouldn't feel very safe riding at 35+ mph. 

I would recommend against a scooter-style bench seat bike if you're going to be pedaling most of the time.  My personal preference for riding dynamics is also for sporty over fat bike, though my current bike is fat. 

Juiced was good performance/price, though service and support can be spotty.  Still, if you're looking in the sub-$2000 area, they're worth considering for a faster bike. 

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2024, 01:50:42 PM »
do you want a project or do you want an ebike?

This is the big question! If you want an ebike, just buy one.

I have a RadRunner, happy to answer any specific questions you have. If you want recommendations, I'm sure a lot of us would be happy to weigh in if you share more specifics.

Agree with the person who mentioned THROTTLE, especially if there's any road biking- it is a huge energy saver going through intersections and whatnot. I'm a middle-aged fat lady dressed in work clothes and I run or workout in the mornings before work- I don't always want to huff and puff (especially with my poor asthmatic lungs on our many ozone alert days) and the throttle is really key!

Some of the higher-end Kryptonite locks have a guarantee that they will replace your bike if the lock gets cut but I haven't tested it personally. Wirecutter said it took them multiple saw blades to cut through the one I have (the Fuhgeddaboudit- I don't live in Manhattan but I do sometimes park in sketchy parts of Denver).

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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2024, 11:26:11 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9SEThrJMY

Lots of comments about how it takes two cuts to open a link, now cut a chain without the vice, etc. And they are right. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2024, 05:17:30 AM »
Not sure if you've decided anything yet, but If you go the direct to consumer route I'd take a good look at Ride1up. I've had a Lectric and Rad. I prefer the Ride1up to those. I got the LMT'd which is a really good spec'd bike with a torque sensor. The thing I don't like about the others is they were cadence sensing which is basically like an on/off switch. The torque sensor is more natural and feels more like a regular bike. If you are ok with spending a bit more look at the Prodigy which is a mid drive which is even more natural like.

Saying all this it really depends on what type of rider you are, If you don't care about putting in much effort then I'd say a cheaper cadence sensor bike with a throttle is all you need. I'm a life long cyclist and I prefer to put in the effort. (in fact I'm selling my LMT'd because I have other acoustic bikes and I just prefer them at this point in my life. If you lived closer I'd make an offer to you :) )

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2024, 07:30:57 AM »
If you want to commute and that's your main goal, just get a Rad or something similar and call it good. Your DIY efforts are better spent on something else, IMO.

If you just love to tinker and want to use the bike for recreation (assuming you have somewhere you can legally ride it, that is) then by all means look at either something fancier or else a DIY project.

I'm a retired professional cyclist who spent 20 years custom building bikes (and still do part time)... and I have 2 Radpowers for hauling kids and groceries. Even as a professional it just wasn't worth my time to DIY given the price and use case. Does a mid drive feel nicer? Sure. But not enough that it matters when you're just trying to get home with 3 watermelons and a kid and it looks like it's going to rain.

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Re: DIY V Professionally made E-bike
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2024, 09:00:22 AM »
Hello everybody and thank you all for the ton of responses. I weighed a lot of what was said here and kinda balanced it around and I ended up settling on the philodo H8 dual motor e-bike. At this time I have roughly 300 miles logged on the bike and it has been great. It has plenty of power and works well for my purposes. One day as a fun project I might do a mid drive build but that will wait for another day.