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« on: April 20, 2023, 10:29:47 AM »
In college I had about 4 years of no cleanings, drank like a fish, and probably brushed just once a day.  I'm curious what's everyone's age and how many fillings/ how much dental work have you had done?  I'm 38 and have 6 fillings, but based on what the dentist says I'm probably ready for another 6.  They seem to want to fill anything that isn't a perfect tooth.

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2023, 10:35:39 AM »
I had three fillings as a child when regularly brushing my teeth and flossing while going to sketchy dentists.  Then I had a ten year period after university where I didn't go to a dentist once, brushing twice a day flossing once a week.  At my next dentist appointment I needed zero fillings.  But the dentist I've got now is really good and I trust him.

If you don't believe the dentist, it might be worth getting a second opinion.

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2023, 10:59:34 AM »
I’ve got lots of fillings - I’m old and I obviously got the crummy teeth genes from my mom, while my sister got the good teeth genes from dad’s side.

However my kids, who are all in their 30s, hardly have any because they had their teeth sealed and regular flouride treatments.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2023, 11:13:42 AM »
In college I had about 4 years of no cleanings, drank like a fish, and probably brushed just once a day.  I'm curious what's everyone's age and how many fillings/ how much dental work have you had done?  I'm 38 and have 6 fillings, but based on what the dentist says I'm probably ready for another 6.  They seem to want to fill anything that isn't a perfect tooth.

No, they want to fill cavities while they're small because cavities are like rust, they will eat away at your tooth until you need very expensive work or the whole thing replaced.

Also, some people are more prone to gum disease while others are more prone to cavities. They are very different bacteria, so when someone brags that they never floss and have never had a cavity, chances are their structural bone that holds their teeth in their skull is dissolving steadily and their teeth will literally fall out of their head starting in their late midlife depending on how negligent they are.

Either due to cavities or gum disease, very few seniors have their original teeth despite in most cases this being entirely preventable.

It's not unusual for seniors to spend several tens of thousands on dental care as the years of neglect build up and cumulate in more and more expensive care, because contrary to popular opinion, simple dentures aren't actually a reasonable option. So $60-100K treatment plans are very common.

It's possible your dentist is over treating and a quick second opinion could clarify that, but if you've already had 6 cavities by 38, I would say that another 6 at this point is reasonable, and I would expect to get many more moving forward.

Because guess what? Getting a filling makes you MORE likely to get another cavity, not less. They have a lifespan and are FAR more susceptible to reinfection than virgin tooth is.

So if the conditions of your mouth were such that a pristine tooth could get eroded enough to need a filling and nothing changes, you are absolutely guaranteed to keep getting cavities and the rate at which you get them will snowball, and the damage to your tooth with get worse and worse each time.

Most teeth with fillings are destined to eventually need crowns if nothing in the oral environment changes to lower the rate of infection.

So the question isn't "how many cavities are normal for my age" the question is "how do I stop getting these cavities?" And if your dentist doesn't have a clear answer for that, get a better dentist.

Source: I've been a consultant for medical a dental clinics for years, it's my job to know the economics of individual patient disease patterns. For an average person who doesn't engage in enough preventive care, I can expect to get around $100K worth of preventable dental work out of them if they can afford it over time.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2023, 11:42:48 AM »
Also late 30s and I've got 10 or so. Mostly from my teenage years after having braces and not doing a very good job of brushing and flossing around them. A few are silver fillings in the back and my current dentist is saying they will need to be replaced at some point soon (20-25 years old). He also said I will probably need a couple of crowns in the near future. I'm hesitant to go down that road as I've seen with my mom who has had numerous crowns and in some cases, a second crown. I'd like to make it to old age with my teeth intact.

I left my previous dentist because after seeing him for multiple years (plus the rest of my family) he still treated me like we'd never met and after 30 seconds looking at me would just start listing off a bunch of work (3-4 crowns, etc.). Didn't really inspire confidence.

So the question isn't "how many cavities are normal for my age" the question is "how do I stop getting these cavities?" And if your dentist doesn't have a clear answer for that, get a better dentist.

Aside from brushing twice a day, flossing, and mouthwash what else can really be done? Clearly if you're drinking sugar water all day and bathing your teeth in sugar/acid that's going to be a problem. But if that's not an issue - what else is there? More frequent cleanings? Prescription products? Changing your diet?

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2023, 11:52:07 AM »
Also late 30s and I've got 10 or so. Mostly from my teenage years after having braces and not doing a very good job of brushing and flossing around them. A few are silver fillings in the back and my current dentist is saying they will need to be replaced at some point soon (20-25 years old). He also said I will probably need a couple of crowns in the near future. I'm hesitant to go down that road as I've seen with my mom who has had numerous crowns and in some cases, a second crown. I'd like to make it to old age with my teeth intact.

I left my previous dentist because after seeing him for multiple years (plus the rest of my family) he still treated me like we'd never met and after 30 seconds looking at me would just start listing off a bunch of work (3-4 crowns, etc.). Didn't really inspire confidence.

So the question isn't "how many cavities are normal for my age" the question is "how do I stop getting these cavities?" And if your dentist doesn't have a clear answer for that, get a better dentist.

Aside from brushing twice a day, flossing, and mouthwash what else can really be done? Clearly if you're drinking sugar water all day and bathing your teeth in sugar/acid that's going to be a problem. But if that's not an issue - what else is there? More frequent cleanings? Prescription products? Changing your diet?

Well, first, avoiding crowns is a bad idea, the point of a crown is to prevent you needing an implant, it's the cheap and easy option. Crowns are to prevent catastrophic fracturing.

As for preventing cavities, well it depends on why the cavities are happening. But in general you can look up the CAMBRA protocol for more info.

It's basically a matter of managing foods that promote the selective overgrowth of cavity bacteria (sugar), and making sure to recalcify the deminerlized tooth before it progresses to full on cavitation, which is done through fluoride.

My mom is super prone to cavities now thanks to a combo of medical issues and medications, so I got her dentist to give her fluoride trays that she wears for 4 minutes every evening on top of electric toothbrush, waterpik, and superfloss.

I'm personally not prone to cavities, I'm extremely prone to gum disease, so I need to floss religiously, use an electric toothbrush, and get cleanings every 3-4 months or else my teeth will literally fall out of my head.

Another factor is bruxism. A lot of people end up needing fillings replaced more often because the mechanical pressure they're putting on them at night is excessive. The structure fails and bacteria crawl in.

But I don't really eat sugar, I don't eat frequently, and I'll likely never have a cavity.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2023, 11:52:18 AM »
It rarely hurts to get a second opinion. If you feel your dentist isn't working for you find another one. If you've doing all the usual things already and had a few fillings and are looking to get more, though, you could very well just not be blessed with strong teeth. My step dad was fanatical about the brushing and flossing business but still had tons of work done as he got older.

I had one filling in my late-20s with an easy to spot amalgam filling and I *think* I had 2-3 as a grade schooler that were tooth colored or something so I can't readily ID them. My current dentist mentioned the unseen ones a few years ago but I didn't bother to remember the details. I'm now in my early 40s and it's just been regular maintenance since the last filling - brush, floss, cleaning every 6 months, and Xrays whenever the dentist wants a set.

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2023, 12:00:17 PM »
I want to also add that fillings are HUGE.

Most people picture fillings as little potholes, but they aren't. Here is what the average tooth looks like when the cavity infection is removed before the filling material is placed.

You can see why it could fracture under the pressure of your jaw, which is strong enough to break bones. And that's a smallish cavity and the hole gets bigger each time you replace the filling.

You want to prevent this shit. Once you do that to a tooth, you just can't expect it to withstand abuse for the rest of your life.

The first time I saw a photo of a tooth after it was drilled for a cavity I was like "WTF???" and I implemented that the clinics I consulted for should be showing patients these images at their filling appointments, because they just don't realize.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Traditional-class-II-tooth-preparation_fig3_237092925

Here are more moderate sized holes

https://dentalcaseoftheday.com/dennis-brown/class-ii-composites-sub-gingival-margin-large-embrasure-and-cusp-overlay/

I'm looking for a photo of a large one.

This one is pretty big, but there are much bigger
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/This-maxillary-fi-primary-molar-54-has-a-large-distal-cavity-with-clinical-exposure-of_fig6_284189516

And here we go

https://www.google.com/search?q=onlay%20prep&tbm=isch&hl=en&tbs=rimg:CTK8ebwzQhboYQDRvxt9nUrCsgIMCgIIABAAOgQIARAAwAIA&client=ms-android-uscellular-us-revc&prmd=ivsn&sa=X&ved=0CBIQuIIBahcKEwjwl9D4hbn-AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQFw&biw=412&bih=780#imgrc=-WfuPrPO8MdVUM&lnspr=W10=
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2023, 12:04:21 PM »
I had a few cavities as a kid, they were all due to gaps in the enamel when the tooth developed. No way to prevent.

As an adult, I was getting a series of small cavities on the top of the tooth. They started because the sealants I had gotten as a kid started falling out. I got tired of having a tiny cavity every time I went to the dentist so I got new sealants. That took care of that problem.

I have had a few small cavities in between 2 teeth. I get those filled, however my current dentist I don't particularly like or trust, so I don't do it when he wants to. He's not a bad dentist, but he's pushy. (No, I'm not going to get some expensive prescription toothpaste because I have mild tooth sensitivity, the store bought stuff works perfectly well.) As a result, we're watching one spot that will eventually need to be filled, but it hasn't changed per x-rays in several years. It's not a cavity yet, it's not progressing, and it's not bothering me.

My dad has a had a TON of dental work done. It stems from him not taking care of things when they were small, or not going to the dentist regularly. That has consequences. He's got a partial denture now. Mom is better, she's had some but must have better teeth to start with.

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2023, 12:09:09 PM »
I had a few cavities as a kid, they were all due to gaps in the enamel when the tooth developed. No way to prevent.

As an adult, I was getting a series of small cavities on the top of the tooth. They started because the sealants I had gotten as a kid started falling out. I got tired of having a tiny cavity every time I went to the dentist so I got new sealants. That took care of that problem.

I have had a few small cavities in between 2 teeth. I get those filled, however my current dentist I don't particularly like or trust, so I don't do it when he wants to. He's not a bad dentist, but he's pushy. (No, I'm not going to get some expensive prescription toothpaste because I have mild tooth sensitivity, the store bought stuff works perfectly well.) As a result, we're watching one spot that will eventually need to be filled, but it hasn't changed per x-rays in several years. It's not a cavity yet, it's not progressing, and it's not bothering me.

My dad has a had a TON of dental work done. It stems from him not taking care of things when they were small, or not going to the dentist regularly. That has consequences. He's got a partial denture now. Mom is better, she's had some but must have better teeth to start with.

FTR, a lot of dentists don't actually know how to prevent cavities, but the vast, overwhelming majority are preventable.

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2023, 12:35:02 PM »
I should say that I have been to 5 dentists over the last 20 years and everyone had very different opinions.  First cleaning after college the new dentist said I "needed" 13 fillings and they were prepared to start my first 5 right there, got out the novacane shot and everything, I told them "I don't have the time today" and never went back.  Went to 3 other dentists over the following 10 years and all said I "needed" anywhere from 3-7 filled.  My current dentist filled 3 last year, and as mentioned, said I "should" have 3 more filled.  I looked at my Xrays with him from 8 years ago and I didn't see any advancement in my shallow enamel cavities in 8 years.  He just said it's up to me, we can continue to watch, which I why I trust him more then the others. 
I hardly eat any sweets and haven't had a soda in 20 years, but I do still drink about 12 beers a week.  I religiously brush twice a day, floss, and use Listerine and have kept that routine for 5 years, but we do have well water.  Curious what else I could do? 

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 12:45:28 PM »
I should say that I have been to 5 dentists over the last 20 years and everyone had very different opinions.  First cleaning after college the new dentist said I "needed" 13 fillings and they were prepared to start my first 5 right there, got out the novacane shot and everything, I told them "I don't have the time today" and never went back.  Went to 3 other dentists over the following 10 years and all said I "needed" anywhere from 3-7 filled.  My current dentist filled 3 last year, and as mentioned, said I "should" have 3 more filled.  I looked at my Xrays with him from 8 years ago and I didn't see any advancement in my shallow enamel cavities in 8 years.  He just said it's up to me, we can continue to watch, which I why I trust him more then the others. 
I hardly eat any sweets and haven't had a soda in 20 years, but I do still drink about 12 beers a week.  I religiously brush twice a day, floss, and use Listerine and have kept that routine for 5 years, but we do have well water.  Curious what else I could do?

Some dentists are more conservative, some are more aggressive. You can show the same small cavity to a dozen dentists and get inconsistent answers as to when to step in.

The more aggressive ones will drill countless teeth that could have been watched, the more conservative ones will occasionally fail to step in and a tooth will be lost because it progresses too fast under watchful waiting.

It's an infection, it's unpredictable.

What more can you do? Ask your dentist about preventive measures.

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2023, 12:57:51 PM »
Find a hygienist or dentist that will teach you HOW to brush and floss. I'm 38, never had a cavity but am starting to get receding gums. I just learned a few months ago the proper way to brush and floss and its made a huge difference.  It's takes me a few minutes to brush and floss instead of a minutes. But I dont have sensitive gums, inflammation, bleed,or as much plaque buildup. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2023, 12:59:51 PM »
Find a hygienist or dentist that will teach you HOW to brush and floss. I'm 38, never had a cavity but am starting to get receding gums. I just learned a few months ago the proper way to brush and floss and its made a huge difference.  It's takes me a few minutes to brush and floss instead of a minutes. But I dont have sensitive gums, inflammation, bleed,or as much plaque buildup.

Facts.

ETA: I made my money off of telling these people how to explain things to patients. Honestly, I don't know what they are being taught, but dentist and hygienists have to be about the WORST health educators in the world.

This is not hard stuff to explain, but they have the absolute WORST fucking skills at making people understand what the fuck is actualluy happening to them and how to take care of it.

I have a whole PowerPoint presentation called "No. Your patients don't actually know what a cavity is"
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2023, 01:04:02 PM »
OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?

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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2023, 01:16:23 PM »
Find a hygienist or dentist that will teach you HOW to brush and floss. I'm 38, never had a cavity but am starting to get receding gums. I just learned a few months ago the proper way to brush and floss and its made a huge difference.  It's takes me a few minutes to brush and floss instead of a minutes. But I dont have sensitive gums, inflammation, bleed,or as much plaque buildup.

Facts.

ETA: I made my money off of telling these people how to explain things to patients. Honestly, I don't know what they are being taught, but dentist and hygienists have to be about the WORST health educators in the world.

This is not hard stuff to explain, but they have the absolute WORST fucking skills at making people understand what the fuck is actualluy happening to them and how to take care of it.

I have a whole PowerPoint presentation called "No. Your patients don't actually know what a cavity is"

And then there are serious trust issues because there is such a huge information asymmetry.

"See this slightly lighter/darker spot on your X-ray, that's a cavity."

I had a dentist several years ago that had a small camera on a probe so she could actually show me exactly what she was seeing. She was also pretty conservative when it came to recommending filings. Consequently, her practice was never as large or profitable as the dentist who said everyone needed filings and crowns and cancer screenings, etc.

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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2023, 01:21:16 PM »
Crowns, IMHO, are not something to be avoided.

I had a dentist, who I respected as someone who didn't push unnecessary treatments.  One back tooth with a filling was "under watch" for years.  Then he retired at the start of the pandemic.  By the time I got back to a dentist, that watched tooth had cracked down into the root.  It took a year and about $5k to get an implant. 

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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2023, 03:30:23 PM »
OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?

By buying a really good electric toothbrush and watching a video on Oral B or Sonicare's websites on how to use it properly.

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2023, 05:03:23 PM »
Lots. Somewhere in my teen years, my mom turned nutty about dental X-rays, so the dentists were working in the dark. Even once I was in college they wouldn't do them, since I was still on my mom's insurance. By the time I graduated and found a new dentist1 on my own insurance, my mouth was full of cavities.

1 That first new dentist was a whole other horror story, but I'll save that one for another time

Crowns, IMHO, are not something to be avoided.

I had a dentist, who I respected as someone who didn't push unnecessary treatments.  One back tooth with a filling was "under watch" for years.  Then he retired at the start of the pandemic.  By the time I got back to a dentist, that watched tooth had cracked down into the root.  It took a year and about $5k to get an implant. 

I'm in the process of this now. After I moved again, I dragged my feet on finding a new dentist (see note 1 ). Didn't go back until a crown came loose (darn sticky Halloween candy!), by which time the tooth behind it had been bothering me on & off for a couple of years. Had the crown redone, only for the tooth behind to crack wide open soon after.

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2023, 06:30:33 PM »
The data:

63 years old
1 filling
1 crown (tooth had a filling, but cracked eventually)
1 tooth extracted (had a filling, and the tooth cracked eventually, but could not be saved).

Parents took me to the dentist one as a child. Then I got two fillings at 18 years old in the back 2 lower molars (these are the teeth that eventually cracked / broke)
Wisdom teeth erupted, all four extracted in one visit when I was in my 20s.  I didn’t count those in my data tally as t is so common to remove wisdom teeth.
I don’t get much tartar or plaque build up, unlike Spouse.

Tap water was fluoridated when I was a kid, which my mom swore helped avoid cavities. But also I think I got my dad’s good teeth genes.

Brush once a day (I try to carefully brush each tooth), no mouthwash.  Floss with those disposable floss / pick combos. 

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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2023, 06:38:48 PM »
OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?

Here's what they told me that I found helpful. You don't need to apply a lot of pressure but you do need to be consistent and thorough.  They showed me different brush angles to get the hard to reach back of bottom teeth. Told me to open my mouth only slightly in order to reach the outside of the back molars and to shift my bottom jaw left and right in order to get room for the brush to get to the back. Don't worry about irritating sensitive gums, they are irritated from the bacteria not from brushing. If you brush along the gum line thoroughly then the irritation will subside because you are eliminating the bacteria.

For flossing, I was just sticking the floss between each two teeth. Now I learned that you should make a "c" with the floss curving around the side of each tooth and run the floss up and down each side.

I was like why the hell have I never been taught how to do this before?

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2023, 07:29:34 PM »
 
I hardly eat any sweets and haven't had a soda in 20 years, but I do still drink about 12 beers a week.  I religiously brush twice a day, floss, and use Listerine and have kept that routine for 5 years, but we do have well water.  Curious what else I could do?

Use a mouthwash with fluoride instead of Listerine, such as ACT. Use it for 1 minute before bed and don't rinse with water after spitting out the mouthwash. A dental hygienist told me this years ago and I've followed it ever since, and haven't had a cavity since (I also brush twice a day and floss once).

OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?


By buying a really good electric toothbrush and watching a video on Oral B or Sonicare's websites on how to use it properly.

This. Well, I'm not sure it even needs to be a really good (read: expensive) electric toothbrush. I buy the cheapest ones that Oral B makes (the model name changes every so often, but it's the same damn toothbrush) and cheapo brush heads from Amazon.

And then there are serious trust issues because there is such a huge information asymmetry.

"See this slightly lighter/darker spot on your X-ray, that's a cavity."

I had a dentist several years ago that had a small camera on a probe so she could actually show me exactly what she was seeing. She was also pretty conservative when it came to recommending filings. Consequently, her practice was never as large or profitable as the dentist who said everyone needed filings and crowns and cancer screenings, etc.

I read somewhere that there are two kinds of dentists: doctor-dentists and business-dentists. The former like helping people, are honest and ethical, and tend to be more conservative. The latter are in it to grow their practices and make money. They will claim you need all sorts of work, sometimes completely fraudulently, sometimes taking advantage of the wide latitude they have to interpret X rays because dental diagnosis is not an exact science. I can tell you from painful personal experience that you should *always* get a second opinion when a dentist tells you you need expensive work done. The only exception is if you've had the same dentist for years and they've been conservative all that time and you trust them.

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2023, 07:46:13 PM »
OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?

By buying a really good electric toothbrush and watching a video on Oral B or Sonicare's websites on how to use it properly.

Interesting...so an electric toothbrush is significantly better than a regular toothbrush?

For background, I have always brushed, am working regularly on flossing daily (as opposed to more sporadically), and I am multiple decades into life without having a cavity. I don't drink sodas but do eat candy. I've never had cavities and regularly get great reviews from my dentist.

I've always assumed it was at least in some part if not a large part due to genetics due to anecdotal evidence. My father never went to the dentist until he was like 18 or 20 and despite getting a really painful cleaning, he had no cavities then, nor ever of which I'm aware. Interesting topic.

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2023, 08:00:08 PM »
 
I hardly eat any sweets and haven't had a soda in 20 years, but I do still drink about 12 beers a week.  I religiously brush twice a day, floss, and use Listerine and have kept that routine for 5 years, but we do have well water.  Curious what else I could do?

Use a mouthwash with fluoride instead of Listerine, such as ACT. Use it for 1 minute before bed and don't rinse with water after spitting out the mouthwash. A dental hygienist told me this years ago and I've followed it ever since, and haven't had a cavity since (I also brush twice a day and floss once).

OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?


By buying a really good electric toothbrush and watching a video on Oral B or Sonicare's websites on how to use it properly.

This. Well, I'm not sure it even needs to be a really good (read: expensive) electric toothbrush. I buy the cheapest ones that Oral B makes (the model name changes every so often, but it's the same damn toothbrush) and cheapo brush heads from Amazon.


And then there are serious trust issues because there is such a huge information asymmetry.

"See this slightly lighter/darker spot on your X-ray, that's a cavity."

I had a dentist several years ago that had a small camera on a probe so she could actually show me exactly what she was seeing. She was also pretty conservative when it came to recommending filings. Consequently, her practice was never as large or profitable as the dentist who said everyone needed filings and crowns and cancer screenings, etc.

I read somewhere that there are two kinds of dentists: doctor-dentists and business-dentists. The former like helping people, are honest and ethical, and tend to be more conservative. The latter are in it to grow their practices and make money. They will claim you need all sorts of work, sometimes completely fraudulently, sometimes taking advantage of the wide latitude they have to interpret X rays because dental diagnosis is not an exact science. I can tell you from painful personal experience that you should *always* get a second opinion when a dentist tells you you need expensive work done. The only exception is if you've had the same dentist for years and they've been conservative all that time and you trust them.

Oral B and Sonicare only put their actually well researched technology into their top of the line brushes. Everything else is just a vibrating brush.

That said, they release many versions of their top of the line brushes, so it's hard to tell exactly which ones.

Sonicare used to be easier because there was only one Sonicare, you couldn't go wrong. But now they have a cheap, shitty Sonicare.

Typically with Oral B you want the one that says lile 'professional clean 5000" not the "pro" model. For Sonicare you want the one that isn't super cheap.

Most cheap electric brushes are sonic, not ultra sonic. Basically, if it's a Sonicare and it's close to $100, you're good. If it's Oral B, says "professional clean" and it's over $100, it's good.

If it's $50 and under, you're wasting money. There's no valuable R&D in it.


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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2023, 08:01:41 PM »
OK, I'll bite.  How are you supposed to brush?

By buying a really good electric toothbrush and watching a video on Oral B or Sonicare's websites on how to use it properly.

Interesting...so an electric toothbrush is significantly better than a regular toothbrush?

For background, I have always brushed, am working regularly on flossing daily (as opposed to more sporadically), and I am multiple decades into life without having a cavity. I don't drink sodas but do eat candy. I've never had cavities and regularly get great reviews from my dentist.

I've always assumed it was at least in some part if not a large part due to genetics due to anecdotal evidence. My father never went to the dentist until he was like 18 or 20 and despite getting a really painful cleaning, he had no cavities then, nor ever of which I'm aware. Interesting topic.

If you have no problems with your teeth, don't change anything.

A basic toothbrush and flossing is all that many people need to have good teeth.

Dentists make money because the vast majority of people don't do that and never will.

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2023, 08:07:26 PM »
I've had 2 filings at age 55.

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2023, 08:07:59 PM »
I'm sure my blood pressure is going to go way up responding to this question. but I will anyway.

I had zero fillings until about age 14, when I went to my first dentist in the new city we moved to.  Suddenly, almost every tooth in my mouth needed filling, and big ones.  Not all at once, but over a few years.  Being that age, and having trusting parents, the dentist was never questioned.  Doctor knows best, right?  In addition, after every filling, I had bad tooth pain, likely because he didn't know how to freeze properly, or maybe just due to the sheer size of the hole.  So by age 20 or so, every molar was filled as well as some of the other teeth, except for the 4 most frontward ones, top and bottom.

Over the ensuing 40 years, every one of the fillings has been replaced, some more than once.  Because some are now composite (white) and not amalgam (silver), I don't even know how many I have.  In all that time, I've needed exactly one new filling, and a small one at that.
BUT, my filled teeth are slowly falling apart, because there is so little structure left in many of them.  I have one crown and a second is recommended, one needed to be pulled because it shattered so badly, and I've had one implant from another that also shattered.

And the real tragedy here, is that the dentist I saw as a teen is totally responsible for all this misery.  He turned out to be an alcoholic, and there were newspaper articles about his incompetence after several people came forward with complaints of him doing work on people who did not need it and not doing work on those who did.  The governing body sent him for "retraining" several times but never pulled his license.  I blame the dentist, the licensors and also the dental hygienists, who must have known something was going on.

My blood boils every time I'm told I need more work, and I hope there is a special place in hell for this man.

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2023, 08:38:04 PM »
I'm sure my blood pressure is going to go way up responding to this question. but I will anyway.

I had zero fillings until about age 14, when I went to my first dentist in the new city we moved to.  Suddenly, almost every tooth in my mouth needed filling, and big ones.  Not all at once, but over a few years.  Being that age, and having trusting parents, the dentist was never questioned.  Doctor knows best, right?  In addition, after every filling, I had bad tooth pain, likely because he didn't know how to freeze properly, or maybe just due to the sheer size of the hole.  So by age 20 or so, every molar was filled as well as some of the other teeth, except for the 4 most frontward ones, top and bottom.

Over the ensuing 40 years, every one of the fillings has been replaced, some more than once.  Because some are now composite (white) and not amalgam (silver), I don't even know how many I have.  In all that time, I've needed exactly one new filling, and a small one at that.
BUT, my filled teeth are slowly falling apart, because there is so little structure left in many of them.  I have one crown and a second is recommended, one needed to be pulled because it shattered so badly, and I've had one implant from another that also shattered.

And the real tragedy here, is that the dentist I saw as a teen is totally responsible for all this misery.  He turned out to be an alcoholic, and there were newspaper articles about his incompetence after several people came forward with complaints of him doing work on people who did not need it and not doing work on those who did.  The governing body sent him for "retraining" several times but never pulled his license.  I blame the dentist, the licensors and also the dental hygienists, who must have known something was going on.

My blood boils every time I'm told I need more work, and I hope there is a special place in hell for this man.

Hey! Sounds like you grew up in my hometown.

My dentist lost his license and became an emu farmer, then he died in a car crash and was so hated by the local community that everyone for free shots at the bar to celebrate.

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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2023, 09:22:23 PM »
I have genetically weak teeth. They're naturally straight, but extremely prone to decay and somewhat brittle. I haven't helped that with my 50+ year fondness for Dr. Pepper and Mountain Dew. I would say that at present I have one implant, seven crowns, and somewhere around 30 fillings. My best guess is that I need an additional two implants, about 8 more crowns, and 15-ish fillings.

I have spent seemingly my entire life in a dentist's chair, and I don't even want to add up all the money.

I'm going to have to go to Los Algodones and blow a mighty wad of dough getting my teeth fixed up sometime this year. I did finally give up soda, but I have a reckoning due.

I do use the best Sonicare I could get, and some Rx toothpaste called NeutraMaxx, which is absolutely phenomenal at subduing tooth pain and sensitivity. It'll make you want to throw rocks at Sensodyne. $16 a tube is doable for the relief, from my perspective.

MetalCat is on the right track - avoid the decay in the first place, if possible.

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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2023, 09:29:38 PM »
I have genetically weak teeth. They're naturally straight, but extremely prone to decay and somewhat brittle. I haven't helped that with my 50+ year fondness for Dr. Pepper and Mountain Dew. I would say that at present I have one implant, seven crowns, and somewhere around 30 fillings. My best guess is that I need an additional two implants, about 8 more crowns, and 15-ish fillings.

I have spent seemingly my entire life in a dentist's chair, and I don't even want to add up all the money.

I'm going to have to go to Los Algodones and blow a mighty wad of dough getting my teeth fixed up sometime this year. I did finally give up soda, but I have a reckoning due.

I do use the best Sonicare I could get, and some Rx toothpaste called NeutraMaxx, which is absolutely phenomenal at subduing tooth pain and sensitivity. It'll make you want to throw rocks at Sensodyne. $16 a tube is doable for the relief, from my perspective.

MetalCat is on the right track - avoid the decay in the first place, if possible.

I would not do this personally.

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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2023, 09:31:49 PM »
At one of my cleanings, the dentist said in an explanatory manner to a student “this is what happens when you don’t grow up with fluoridation” about my mouth. Which is true but also super rude.

I will say that dental work and hygienists have become so much better over the last 10 years. Better at patient care and explaining what you need to do. This year I finally had someone show me how to properly use interdental brushes and the sizes to use because floss wasn’t cutting it, even with the right technique.

Also avoid any sort of carbonated drinks even if there is no sugar. It eats away at your teeth. (I thought I was doing great giving up wine and replacing it with soda water and lime. Reader, I was not)
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« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2023, 10:26:43 PM »
I would not do this personally.

Please don't make me play 20 questions. <hint>

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« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2023, 05:36:52 AM »
I also use a cheap Oral B electric toothbrush now and was amazed at the difference in just how my teeth felt after using it for a few days.  A few years after college I was told I was over brushing or brushing too hard and had worn my teeth down on the sides and to "only use 2 fingers when you hold your toothbrush" so that you don't brush too hard, I think that was pretty good advice. 

@Metalcat I'm going to buy a better electric brush per your recommendation.  I really don't want to have any more tooth work. 

Currently using Colgate Total that has 0.454% fluoride but was wondering if there are better tooth pastes to look into?

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« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2023, 05:57:20 AM »
Re mouthwash, I wanted to toss something else out there (subject to approval by Metalcat, of course): I use mouthwash every day, and my dentist and hygienist told me to make sure and use one that does not contain alcohol. So I use an alcohol-free fluoride-containing mouthwash.

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« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2023, 06:06:03 AM »
I'm sure my blood pressure is going to go way up responding to this question. but I will anyway.

I had zero fillings until about age 14, when I went to my first dentist in the new city we moved to.  Suddenly, almost every tooth in my mouth needed filling, and big ones.  Not all at once, but over a few years.  Being that age, and having trusting parents, the dentist was never questioned.  Doctor knows best, right?  In addition, after every filling, I had bad tooth pain, likely because he didn't know how to freeze properly, or maybe just due to the sheer size of the hole.  So by age 20 or so, every molar was filled as well as some of the other teeth, except for the 4 most frontward ones, top and bottom.

Over the ensuing 40 years, every one of the fillings has been replaced, some more than once.  Because some are now composite (white) and not amalgam (silver), I don't even know how many I have.  In all that time, I've needed exactly one new filling, and a small one at that.
BUT, my filled teeth are slowly falling apart, because there is so little structure left in many of them.  I have one crown and a second is recommended, one needed to be pulled because it shattered so badly, and I've had one implant from another that also shattered.

And the real tragedy here, is that the dentist I saw as a teen is totally responsible for all this misery.  He turned out to be an alcoholic, and there were newspaper articles about his incompetence after several people came forward with complaints of him doing work on people who did not need it and not doing work on those who did.  The governing body sent him for "retraining" several times but never pulled his license.  I blame the dentist, the licensors and also the dental hygienists, who must have known something was going on.

My blood boils every time I'm told I need more work, and I hope there is a special place in hell for this man.
That horror story I mentioned in an earlier comment? It reads a lot like this one, but it sounds like I got off lighter than you did. Sorry for your pain and suffering.

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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2023, 06:32:32 AM »
As someone going through my own dental dramas and having done lots of reading, I think these 2 messages tell you everything that you need to know:

No, they want to fill cavities while they're small because cavities are like rust, they will eat away at your tooth until you need very expensive work or the whole thing replaced.

Also, some people are more prone to gum disease while others are more prone to cavities. They are very different bacteria, so when someone brags that they never floss and have never had a cavity, chances are their structural bone that holds their teeth in their skull is dissolving steadily and their teeth will literally fall out of their head starting in their late midlife depending on how negligent they are.

Either due to cavities or gum disease, very few seniors have their original teeth despite in most cases this being entirely preventable.

It's not unusual for seniors to spend several tens of thousands on dental care as the years of neglect build up and cumulate in more and more expensive care, because contrary to popular opinion, simple dentures aren't actually a reasonable option. So $60-100K treatment plans are very common.

It's possible your dentist is over treating and a quick second opinion could clarify that, but if you've already had 6 cavities by 38, I would say that another 6 at this point is reasonable, and I would expect to get many more moving forward.

Because guess what? Getting a filling makes you MORE likely to get another cavity, not less. They have a lifespan and are FAR more susceptible to reinfection than virgin tooth is.

So if the conditions of your mouth were such that a pristine tooth could get eroded enough to need a filling and nothing changes, you are absolutely guaranteed to keep getting cavities and the rate at which you get them will snowball, and the damage to your tooth with get worse and worse each time.

Most teeth with fillings are destined to eventually need crowns if nothing in the oral environment changes to lower the rate of infection.

So the question isn't "how many cavities are normal for my age" the question is "how do I stop getting these cavities?" And if your dentist doesn't have a clear answer for that, get a better dentist.

Source: I've been a consultant for medical a dental clinics for years, it's my job to know the economics of individual patient disease patterns. For an average person who doesn't engage in enough preventive care, I can expect to get around $100K worth of preventable dental work out of them if they can afford it over time.

Well, first, avoiding crowns is a bad idea, the point of a crown is to prevent you needing an implant, it's the cheap and easy option. Crowns are to prevent catastrophic fracturing.

As for preventing cavities, well it depends on why the cavities are happening. But in general you can look up the CAMBRA protocol for more info.

It's basically a matter of managing foods that promote the selective overgrowth of cavity bacteria (sugar), and making sure to recalcify the deminerlized tooth before it progresses to full on cavitation, which is done through fluoride.

My mom is super prone to cavities now thanks to a combo of medical issues and medications, so I got her dentist to give her fluoride trays that she wears for 4 minutes every evening on top of electric toothbrush, waterpik, and superfloss.

I'm personally not prone to cavities, I'm extremely prone to gum disease, so I need to floss religiously, use an electric toothbrush, and get cleanings every 3-4 months or else my teeth will literally fall out of my head.

Another factor is bruxism. A lot of people end up needing fillings replaced more often because the mechanical pressure they're putting on them at night is excessive. The structure fails and bacteria crawl in.

But I don't really eat sugar, I don't eat frequently, and I'll likely never have a cavity.

Thanks @Metalcat

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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2023, 06:37:10 AM »
I am 68 years old. I have one filling, from an accident on my bike when I was 11 years old. Man that filling is old. I have good teeth.

I probably have the mediocre gums that Mcat talks about. I know they’re not great, but my mom died with all of her teeth in her 80s so maybe it will be OK for me.

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« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2023, 06:54:12 AM »
I also use a cheap Oral B electric toothbrush now and was amazed at the difference in just how my teeth felt after using it for a few days.  A few years after college I was told I was over brushing or brushing too hard and had worn my teeth down on the sides and to "only use 2 fingers when you hold your toothbrush" so that you don't brush too hard, I think that was pretty good advice. 

@Metalcat I'm going to buy a better electric brush per your recommendation.  I really don't want to have any more tooth work. 

Currently using Colgate Total that has 0.454% fluoride but was wondering if there are better tooth pastes to look into?

My oral B lights up red if I brush too hard

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« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2023, 07:15:11 AM »
Re mouthwash, I wanted to toss something else out there (subject to approval by Metalcat, of course): I use mouthwash every day, and my dentist and hygienist told me to make sure and use one that does not contain alcohol. So I use an alcohol-free fluoride-containing mouthwash.

I have no opinion on mouthwash, as long as it's alcohol free, it can't hurt, but I think most people would benefit more from spending that extra time brushing longer or flossing more thoroughly.

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« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2023, 07:16:15 AM »
Another electric toothbrush user here - OralB.

IMHO, the best thing it's done for me is the built-in timer. It keeps me honest about how long I'm brushing so I don't short-change it when I'm in a hurry. It'll pulse the brush weirdly if I push too hard so no problem there.

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« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2023, 07:16:46 AM »
Re mouthwash, I wanted to toss something else out there (subject to approval by Metalcat, of course): I use mouthwash every day, and my dentist and hygienist told me to make sure and use one that does not contain alcohol. So I use an alcohol-free fluoride-containing mouthwash.

I have no opinion on mouthwash, as long as it's alcohol free, it can't hurt, but I think most people would benefit more from spending that extra time brushing longer or flossing more thoroughly.

I do brush for 2 minutes, with a high quality Oral B, and I floss daily, so I’m good on that front. The mouthwash is mostly to flush out stuff and also for breath. But since I do that daily, too, the dentist said no alcohol in it.

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« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2023, 07:27:53 AM »
Re mouthwash, I wanted to toss something else out there (subject to approval by Metalcat, of course): I use mouthwash every day, and my dentist and hygienist told me to make sure and use one that does not contain alcohol. So I use an alcohol-free fluoride-containing mouthwash.

I have no opinion on mouthwash, as long as it's alcohol free, it can't hurt, but I think most people would benefit more from spending that extra time brushing longer or flossing more thoroughly.
I was using ACT zero-alcohol for a while, since it has at least a little fluoride in it. But when I had that loose crown a while back, I noticed that it tended to ache more if I used the mouthwash, so I got out of the habit. Not sure if it was just aggravating the nerve directly, or if it was somehow promoting bacterial growth?

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« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2023, 07:30:08 AM »
Re mouthwash, I wanted to toss something else out there (subject to approval by Metalcat, of course): I use mouthwash every day, and my dentist and hygienist told me to make sure and use one that does not contain alcohol. So I use an alcohol-free fluoride-containing mouthwash.

I have no opinion on mouthwash, as long as it's alcohol free, it can't hurt, but I think most people would benefit more from spending that extra time brushing longer or flossing more thoroughly.
I was using ACT zero-alcohol for a while, since it has at least a little fluoride in it. But when I had that loose crown a while back, I noticed that it tended to ache more if I used the mouthwash, so I got out of the habit. Not sure if it was just aggravating the nerve directly, or if it was somehow promoting bacterial growth?

N'ah, loose crowns can just hurt with liquids. My two front teeth are crowns and one was loose last year (after 20 years) and needed to be replaced. All cold liquids hurt like a bitch.

Enamel is waterproof, dentin isn't. When a tooth is cut for a crown or a filling, the dentin is exposed. When I first got these crowns done there were complications and I was wearing temps for 6 months. The one temp would fall off and hurt like a mutherfucker.
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« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2023, 09:38:17 AM »
"A few", is the answer to the initial question. Like, maybe 1.5? (or maybe it's .5 -- I'm old, and they're all white, so it's not like I could tell). The half was one that didn't even go through my (very, very thick) tooth enamel, and the dentist filled it without anesthesia. (I had lunch plans that day, and he was pretty sure it wasn't all the way through.) Sealants for the win, really!

However, that practice was sold to a "business-dentist" who, after failing to convince me that I need more frequent work (look, I've seen my x-rays: I have the thickest tooth enamel seen in the wild) started working on my husband to convince him we needed to do a whole bunch of work on our then 10-year old, which gave me really bad vibes. We asked around, found a different dentist, and the kid's mouth has basically been fine since then -- the second opinion was that basically none of that long (and expensive, and painful) list of things needed to be done. WTF, slimeball dentist!

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« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2023, 12:49:45 PM »
Interesting...so an electric toothbrush is significantly better than a regular toothbrush?

Yes, in at least two ways. First, many people brush too hard, and in the long run that damages the teeth. As several people mentioned, good electric toothbrushes warn you when you're pressing too hard. Second, they have built-in timers, so you are guaranteed to brush for 2 minutes. I suspect that everything else the marketers say about electric toothbrushes is just hype to get you to buy the latest greatest model for $200 more than a basic one.

WTF, slimeball dentist!

There is a surprisingly large number of them. The standards are just lower in dentistry than in medicine. (Not to say there aren't slimeball doctors - but I get the impression it's a much bigger problem with dentists.)

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« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2023, 01:10:15 PM »
Interesting...so an electric toothbrush is significantly better than a regular toothbrush?

Yes, in at least two ways. First, many people brush too hard, and in the long run that damages the teeth. As several people mentioned, good electric toothbrushes warn you when you're pressing too hard. Second, they have built-in timers, so you are guaranteed to brush for 2 minutes. I suspect that everything else the marketers say about electric toothbrushes is just hype to get you to buy the latest greatest model for $200 more than a basic one.

WTF, slimeball dentist!

There is a surprisingly large number of them. The standards are just lower in dentistry than in medicine. (Not to say there aren't slimeball doctors - but I get the impression it's a much bigger problem with dentists.)

Well, the profit motives are different... so that "finding" problems that need significant $ repairs are "desirable", by some definition...

Another advantage of electric toothbrushes: they do a good job on both sides. I'm right-handed, and I'm fairly aware that when I use a manual toothbrush I do a better job on the left side of my mouth.

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« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2023, 02:47:58 PM »

I have quite a few fillings; 45yrs and as a matter of fact just visited my new dentist this past week. My old dentist retired and was pretty conservative regarding treatments.

Well. I need two crowns now - and will get them done next week (this is US, so insurance will cover some, I'll be paying about 800 each).

Dentist suggested invisalign and I'm considering doing that too: my bottom teeth are crowding more and more and making harder for flossing etc. Also they continue to push against each other and the top ones. One in particular is turning a bit sideways and is getting extra stress.

What does the forum think about water flossers?

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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2023, 02:52:09 PM »

I have quite a few fillings; 45yrs and as a matter of fact just visited my new dentist this past week. My old dentist retired and was pretty conservative regarding treatments.

Well. I need two crowns now - and will get them done next week (this is US, so insurance will cover some, I'll be paying about 800 each).

Dentist suggested invisalign and I'm considering doing that too: my bottom teeth are crowding more and more and making harder for flossing etc. Also they continue to push against each other and the top ones. One in particular is turning a bit sideways and is getting extra stress.

What does the forum think about water flossers?

Best thing ever for people like me prone to gum disease.

Seriously, best investment I have ever made. Period.

ETA: BUT!!!!! Watch the video on how to use it properly. The correct angle is perpendicular to the tooth, not aimed down towards the gums, which is what I intuitively did and causes damage. Also, they have to be used at full power or else they're useless. The lower settings are just to get accustomed to it. If it's not on max, it's not doing its job.

I have the waterproof cordless waterpik, which can be used in the shower.
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« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2023, 03:04:55 PM »

I have quite a few fillings; 45yrs and as a matter of fact just visited my new dentist this past week. My old dentist retired and was pretty conservative regarding treatments.

Well. I need two crowns now - and will get them done next week (this is US, so insurance will cover some, I'll be paying about 800 each).

Dentist suggested invisalign and I'm considering doing that too: my bottom teeth are crowding more and more and making harder for flossing etc. Also they continue to push against each other and the top ones. One in particular is turning a bit sideways and is getting extra stress.

What does the forum think about water flossers?

Best thing ever for people like me prone to gum disease.

Seriously, best investment I have ever made. Period.

ETA: BUT!!!!! Watch the video on how to use it properly. The correct angle is perpendicular to the tooth, not aimed down towards the gums, which is what I intuitively did and causes damage. Also, they have to be used at full power or else they're useless. The lower settings are just to get accustomed to it. If it's not on max, it's not doing its job.

I have the waterproof cordless waterpik, which can be used in the shower.

Amazon.com, here I come.

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Re: Dental - How Many Fillings Do You Have?
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2023, 03:10:04 PM »

I have quite a few fillings; 45yrs and as a matter of fact just visited my new dentist this past week. My old dentist retired and was pretty conservative regarding treatments.

Well. I need two crowns now - and will get them done next week (this is US, so insurance will cover some, I'll be paying about 800 each).

Dentist suggested invisalign and I'm considering doing that too: my bottom teeth are crowding more and more and making harder for flossing etc. Also they continue to push against each other and the top ones. One in particular is turning a bit sideways and is getting extra stress.

What does the forum think about water flossers?

Best thing ever for people like me prone to gum disease.

Seriously, best investment I have ever made. Period.

ETA: BUT!!!!! Watch the video on how to use it properly. The correct angle is perpendicular to the tooth, not aimed down towards the gums, which is what I intuitively did and causes damage. Also, they have to be used at full power or else they're useless. The lower settings are just to get accustomed to it. If it's not on max, it's not doing its job.

I have the waterproof cordless waterpik, which can be used in the shower.

Amazon.com, here I come.

This one

https://www.amazon.ca/Waterpik-Cordless-Advanced-Flosser-Pearly/dp/B01GNVF8S8/ref=asc_df_B01GNVF8S8/?tag=googlemobshop-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=293006166167&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14291500029716261805&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9000666&hvtargid=pla-451825281755&psc=1