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« Reply #350 on: January 12, 2025, 08:15:38 PM »
My mom got a call in the middle of the night last night.  Stepdad was found on the ground next to his bed, unable to get up and saying his head hurt.  They took him to ER, he had lots of scans and nothing is broken, but they say he "likely has penumonia."

Mom mom declined very quickly this year. Thanksgiving she was able bodied although unsure who any of us were, and by Christmas she had passed through a short stay in MC to nursing care.

I'm told that dementia is different for every patient - some progress slow and some fast. 

I'm hoping for her, and for my sibling and Father that Mom will be gone within a few months. Father and sibling are struggling with this situation. I have had a moment here and there too but I try to be pragmatic about it all. Mom would be horrified to know how she was living now.

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« Reply #351 on: January 12, 2025, 08:18:55 PM »
Thanks to everyone that helped with my question earlier. I am focussing on making sure the next few years are chock full of life, just in case.

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« Reply #352 on: January 12, 2025, 08:24:53 PM »
People do change their minds about this. It’s somewhat ableist to assert that if we lose a particular capacity, we’d be better off dead. People lose the ability to see, hear, or move all the time, and while many of them would say beforehand that they’d be better off dead, somehow they often become happy people. This is one reason DNRs need to be current.
I cannot imagine a time when I would have recommended euthanizing my mother. Geesh.
She was not in pain, so why?

I might not recommend it for someone else but I've come to believe I'd welcome if my future is anything like my mother's.

Here is what I observed about my mother as she slowly faded with Alzheimer’s’ disease:

While she was living on her own and alone in her own house, she was more or less content, always happy to see people. She did odd things, yes. She had weird, illogical little anxieties, yes. And after she stopped driving her life shrunk down to visits from family, and not many of them. But she enjoyed her life even with its diminishment. She expressed no wish to die.

Due to a physical problem of some mystery, she went to a nursing home from the hospital and we, her children, decided to keep her there due to increasing fraility and weight loss. With someone else cooking for her she gained a few needed pounds. She was grumpy about staying in the nursing home for some months, but never belligerent or crazy-mad.

She faded gently over several years. Her world got smaller as she stopped reading or couldn’t follow tv, but she watched the people around her with interest. Somewhere in there she had a flirtatious relationship with one of the men, a boyfriend of sorts. She enjoyed all of the pets brought in for visits.

But this disease took its toll and her world shrunk to her room, then her bed, and she lost language function. She didn’t live much longer beyond that. I can’t see that she was ever in pain.

So this was not a case of euthanasia being appropriate, never did I get a sense she would have made that choice,

This doesn’t mean I think this experience is universal. I doubt that if I get Alzheimer's I wish any different for myself tho.
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« Reply #353 on: January 12, 2025, 11:16:40 PM »
@iris lily that sounds as good as can be hoped.

I guess we know what our personal experiences are and extrapolate from that.  But there is a range. 

I'm hoping for her, and for my sibling and Father that Mom will be gone within a few months. Father and sibling are struggling with this situation. I have had a moment here and there too but I try to be pragmatic about it all. Mom would be horrified to know how she was living now.

I entirely understand these feelings and the pragmatism.  Wishing your whole family well, Just Joe.

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« Reply #354 on: January 13, 2025, 03:25:20 PM »
Thank you @okits .

May everyone's MC LO have a gentle and slow decline full of happiness and contentment. 

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« Reply #355 on: January 13, 2025, 05:40:16 PM »
My poor old mum caught a norovirus at her home. She is now in hospital recovering from dehydration and potassium deficiency. It was difficult to determine if she was just having a poor recovery from a seizure or norovirus was complicating. Given I came down with norovirus 26 hours after setting foot into her room. She was definitely suffering from a constellation of symptoms.

It was horrible and I am so so angry. I am symptomatic so I can't visit her in hospital yet. She is confused and suffering from norovirus and profoundly deaf and in a later stage of dementia.

10 days ago she was very happy with life. We had some delicious Cara Cara orange slices and looked at an art book of impressionist paintings from quebec.

Changes are quick. She is tenaciously hanging on....all 93 pounds of her.

I am conflicted because for at least a decade she was a MAID advocate. Including arguing for even broader definition of who could chose medical assistance in death after the first Canadian law came into effect.

Her old self would have probably wanted to avoid suffering through these last few days but her current self 4 days ago was living a good life.

I hate that she is going through this. It is so hard to see her in these low points. But somewhere in her body is the will to pull through.

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« Reply #356 on: January 14, 2025, 05:59:51 AM »
internet (((hugs))) to you, @Frugal Lizard. I'm so sorry you (and your mom) are going through this.

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« Reply #357 on: January 14, 2025, 09:32:43 AM »
I’ve read this thread with interest, having had one family member with dementia.

Apologies in advance for this question, but I had a recent experience that left me kind of shook. I spent a few hours on different occasions recently doing outreach at a memory place.

The place is the highest of high-end care. There’s a very high ratio of attendants to patients and the whole place has been done up to look like a hotel. There are no visible signs other than the locking doors and alarms that it is a hospital.

Patients/residents with whom I was interacting are presumably the ones in best shape. The first time I was there, I came away feeling good about these “gentle souls” — as delusional as some of them were. The second time, however, the anger, aggression, potential for violence, delusions, and regression to childlike concerns, made me suddenly realize that this was an insane asylum. Behavior that you’ve seen in any of the classic movies. In fact, I googled dementia or Alzheimer’s and psychiatric disorders/psychosis.

The only thing these people had in common was they were all visibly elderly (and extremely wealthy). I’m not sure what I’m trying to say, but I understand from my own experience and those described in this thread that we’re dealing with wholesale personality changes, delusions, and other behaviors that we would consider schizophrenic, BPD or psychotic in younger people. And I guess my point is a lot of old people in memory care places are psychotic. Lol.

I understand too, that there are comorbidities. Also, my googling revealed that mental illness in earlier life is a risk for Alzheimer’s/dementia.

I guess my question is what are the differences between psychosis and Alzheimer’s/dementia. I’ve read about it, but I would love some more insights.

Hugs for all who are dealing with this. But if you are able to get someone into one of these places, I don’t think you should feel too bad about it.
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« Reply #358 on: January 14, 2025, 12:02:17 PM »
I’ve read this thread with interest, having had one family member with dementia.

Apologies in advance for this question, but I had a recent experience that left me kind of shook. I spent a few hours on different occasions recently doing outreach at a memory place.

The place is the highest of high-end care. There’s a very high ratio of attendants to patients and the whole place has been done up to look like a hotel. There are no visible signs other than the locking doors and alarms that it is a hospital.

Patients/residents with whom I was interacting are presumably the ones in best shape. The first time I was there, I came away feeling good about these “gentle souls” — as delusional as some of them were. The second time, however, the anger, aggression, potential for violence, delusions, and regression to childlike concerns, made me suddenly realize that this was an insane asylum. Behavior that you’ve seen in any of the classic movies. In fact, I googled dementia or Alzheimer’s and psychiatric disorders/psychosis.

The only thing these people had in common was they were all visibly elderly (and extremely wealthy). I’m not sure what I’m trying to say, but I understand from my own experience and those described in this thread that we’re dealing with wholesale personality changes, delusions, and other behaviors that we would consider schizophrenic, BPD or psychotic in younger people. And I guess my point is a lot of old people in memory care places are psychotic. Lol.

I understand too, that there are comorbidities. Also, my googling revealed that mental illness in earlier life is a risk for Alzheimer’s/dementia.

I guess my question is what are the differences between psychosis and Alzheimer’s/dementia. I’ve read about it, but I would love some more insights.

Hugs for all who are dealing with this. But if you are able to get someone into one of these places, I don’t think you should feel too bad about it.

I'm no expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.  Some ideas:

Dementia also can vary widely from day to day based on sunlight and what's going on in their daily life.  Stuff like COVID or the flu or norovirus could easily cause a number of residents to show more issues.

One can have, as you note, comorbidities, although I don't think this is the most accurate description.  Personality changes in dementia - including pretty much everything you listed - are common in later stages.  In fact it seems from my reading that those personality changes are indicative of stage 6.  People in or near that stage can appear and be physically relatively well-seeming, so it can be jarring in combination with the daily variability.  You can probably phrase it as people in stage 6 dementia exhibit traits that overlap with symptoms of mental illness.

My Dad is in the stage 5 / stage 6 area somewhere.  Most of the time around me he is his usual sweet, kind, patient self.  But it is starting to dawn on me that I am now on the outside of the bubble and the care staff is on the inside of the bubble - my Dad's anger / frustration / bad episodes are more with the care staff, and the care staff tends to keep those things to themselves, probably as a way of allowing family to preserve the perception of their loved one the way they were when they were healthier.  I am OK with this arrangement, although it makes me sad knowing that my Dad has hard times that I can't help fix.

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« Reply #359 on: January 14, 2025, 12:12:06 PM »
My mom got a call in the middle of the night last night.  Stepdad was found on the ground next to his bed, unable to get up and saying his head hurt.  They took him to ER, he had lots of scans and nothing is broken, but they say he "likely has penumonia."

Mom mom declined very quickly this year. Thanksgiving she was able bodied although unsure who any of us were, and by Christmas she had passed through a short stay in MC to nursing care.

I'm told that dementia is different for every patient - some progress slow and some fast. 

I'm hoping for her, and for my sibling and Father that Mom will be gone within a few months. Father and sibling are struggling with this situation. I have had a moment here and there too but I try to be pragmatic about it all. Mom would be horrified to know how she was living now.

My sisters and I are feeling similarly, hoping we are starting the 'end game' and it will be over in a few more months. Until the past couple months, Dad was still having quite a few good days (even given his confusion), but he started into what would be considered Stage 7 a few months ago and things are going down hill fast and in upsetting ways.

But there are still occasionally good days (like yesterday) and flashes of his old self. So it's really hard...our feelings fluctuate wildly. I know he would be completely appalled to still be living in this current state (he reiterated over and over that he and most other people should opt for suicide rather than exist like this). But he himself didn't commit suicide in the decline leading up to this final stage (though he had a number of years of opportunity and sometimes spoke about killing himself). And ironically until the past few months I would say in many ways his quality of life has been better the past 3 years than the previous 10 years before that in some ways.

So it leads to super mixed and changing emotions for me and my sisters.

But we are petrified that he will outlive his money, and need to be moved to a nursing home (against everything he ever wanted). That's looking less likely now, so I keep defaulting to hoping this last stage goes quick. Hopefully he'll be gone by fall. God, it seems so sick to say that about someone you love, but he absolutely would have wanted it.

ETA: Sorry that was a bit of an emotion dump. This past weekend was really hard for me, which took me a little by surprise...I'm used to feeling fairly even-keel and practical about stuff like this.
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« Reply #360 on: January 14, 2025, 12:27:17 PM »
My mom got a call in the middle of the night last night.  Stepdad was found on the ground next to his bed, unable to get up and saying his head hurt.  They took him to ER, he had lots of scans and nothing is broken, but they say he "likely has penumonia."

Mom mom declined very quickly this year. Thanksgiving she was able bodied although unsure who any of us were, and by Christmas she had passed through a short stay in MC to nursing care.

I'm told that dementia is different for every patient - some progress slow and some fast. 

I'm hoping for her, and for my sibling and Father that Mom will be gone within a few months. Father and sibling are struggling with this situation. I have had a moment here and there too but I try to be pragmatic about it all. Mom would be horrified to know how she was living now.

My sisters and I are feeling similarly, hoping we are starting the 'end game' and it will be over in a few more months. Until the past couple months, Dad was still having quite a few good days (even given his confusion), but he started into what would be considered Stage 7 a few months ago and things are going down hill fast and in upsetting ways.

But there are still occasionally good days (like yesterday) and flashes of his old self. So it's really hard...our feelings fluctuate wildly. I know he would be completely appalled to still be living in this current state (he reiterated over and over that he and most other people should opt for suicide rather than exist like this). But he himself didn't commit suicide in the decline leading up to this final stage (though he had a number of years of opportunity and sometimes spoke about killing himself). And ironically until the past few months I would say in many ways his quality of life has been better the past 3 years than the previous 10 years before that in some ways.

So it leads to super mixed and changing emotions for me and my sisters.

But we are petrified that he will outlive his money, and need to be moved to a nursing home (against everything he ever wanted). That's looking less likely now, so I keep defaulting to hoping this last stage goes quick. Hopefully he'll be gone by fall. God, it seems so sick to say that about someone you love, but he absolutely would have wanted it.

ETA: Sorry that was a bit of an emotion dump. This past weekend was really hard for me, which took me a little by surprise...I'm used to feeling fairly even-keel and practical about stuff like this.

It's ok to feel all of the feelings.  (reminder to self and siblings as well)

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« Reply #361 on: January 14, 2025, 01:07:49 PM »
Yes, it is okay. Share whatever feels right to you.

As pragmatic and even-keeled about all this as I am most of the time, occasionally an emotion will catch me off guard and it just has to happen until it is over. Hopefully the timing is right to be private.

We recently lost our family dog suddenly (old age). That dog's death has really bothered me too much and I have to wonder if some of the grief over our wonderful, old dog was really something related to Mom's situation. The way I'm wired who knows???



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« Reply #362 on: January 14, 2025, 02:37:31 PM »
Sorry about your dog, Just Joe!

In my experience, a new loss on top of an existing one can bring forward the need to grieve what you were holding in the background (in your case, the ongoing situation with your mom).  Inconvenient, when the straw that breaks the camel's back lands.

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« Reply #363 on: January 14, 2025, 04:39:19 PM »
Yes, it is okay. Share whatever feels right to you.

As pragmatic and even-keeled about all this as I am most of the time, occasionally an emotion will catch me off guard and it just has to happen until it is over. Hopefully the timing is right to be private.

We recently lost our family dog suddenly (old age). That dog's death has really bothered me too much and I have to wonder if some of the grief over our wonderful, old dog was really something related to Mom's situation. The way I'm wired who knows???

Very insightful, @Just Joe. The mind is very good at finding ways to process things, in ways it thinks we can handle.

@wenchsenior, my sympathy. All very understandable. Your thoughts on all of this make so much sense to me; best wishes.

I’ve read this thread with interest, having had one family member with dementia.

Apologies in advance for this question, but I had a recent experience that left me kind of shook. I spent a few hours on different occasions recently doing outreach at a memory place.

The place is the highest of high-end care. There’s a very high ratio of attendants to patients and the whole place has been done up to look like a hotel. There are no visible signs other than the locking doors and alarms that it is a hospital.

Patients/residents with whom I was interacting are presumably the ones in best shape. The first time I was there, I came away feeling good about these “gentle souls” — as delusional as some of them were. The second time, however, the anger, aggression, potential for violence, delusions, and regression to childlike concerns, made me suddenly realize that this was an insane asylum. Behavior that you’ve seen in any of the classic movies. In fact, I googled dementia or Alzheimer’s and psychiatric disorders/psychosis.

The only thing these people had in common was they were all visibly elderly (and extremely wealthy). I’m not sure what I’m trying to say, but I understand from my own experience and those described in this thread that we’re dealing with wholesale personality changes, delusions, and other behaviors that we would consider schizophrenic, BPD or psychotic in younger people. And I guess my point is a lot of old people in memory care places are psychotic. Lol.

I understand too, that there are comorbidities. Also, my googling revealed that mental illness in earlier life is a risk for Alzheimer’s/dementia.

I guess my question is what are the differences between psychosis and Alzheimer’s/dementia. I’ve read about it, but I would love some more insights.

Hugs for all who are dealing with this. But if you are able to get someone into one of these places, I don’t think you should feel too bad about it.

I'm not a psychologist, but like a previous poster, suspect that "we would consider schizophrenic, BPD, or psychotic" isn't quite accurate. Maybe the other poster's comment about overlapping symptoms is a better way to look at it.

You're probably saying that the changes in personality remind you of these other diagnoses. I can see the similarity in some general way. But I think dementia is a different process, and making overly strong comparisons with "schizophrenic, BPD or psychotic" is unwise, except as a way to recognize "wow, this thing can lead to really big visible personality changes in a short time."

The more you read, the more dementia makes sense on its own terms. I was never able to read whole books on the subject, but the parts of them that I read really helped me.

One key in my own experience as family member was the realization that when the brain tries a normal function and can't access the relevant memory at first, it just fills in something else as the input to that function. In this stage it looks like the person is spouting nonsense, but they're only a step away from normal rationality. In my dad's case, knowing his stories better and better as time went on, sometimes I could even see how the "nonsense" was related to what he'd been trying to think of.

Another key aspect was to recognize how many of us have very different layers of our personality, and may be only a step or two of confusion or frustration or suspicion away from acting very differently. Just because our memory is shot doesn't mean we won't defend ourselves. In the lonely confusion of memory loss, it's pretty common for calm gentle people to seemingly flip into intense anger or frustration, or other behaviors they wouldn't normally have done. Add lack of memory and some reduction in the processing that leads to manners, and boom, it looks like a big personality change.

From watching my dad, there's a difference between personality and behavior. To me, personality is the underlying tendency given x conditions. Dad throughout his life had a jovial outer layer and a more hidden angry one that would lash out if he felt badly treated. This did not change, but the hidden angry one was hidden less often in assisted living, because more frequently, his expectations were not met, either by his own mind or by the perceived behavior of others. Yet it was also quite observable that whenever the situation allowed, he tended toward joviality. His behavior changed, not necessarily his personality, if that makes sense.

Maybe I'll revise my terms after a real psychologist comments. Or maybe Dad's case was just milder and he died before reaching the later stages; every case is different, maybe all these other diagnoses apply sometimes. Anyway, much appreciation for all the people learning as they go along, and trying to understand this very confusing process!
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« Reply #364 on: January 14, 2025, 05:24:51 PM »
Thanks for sharing.

I definitely didn’t use the term psychosis randomly… I had already googled and found a host of medical journal articles exploring the overlaps, comorbidities, and symptoms of dementia and mental illness. We also were sole financial support for a decade for my in-law with dementia until their demise. We became very familiar with sundowning, wandering, loss of function, loss of ability to name us, incontinence, etc. That said, we never got a diagnosis and in our opinion this was dementia or cognitive impairment, not Alzheimer’s, as the relative never lost verbal function, could carry conversation and still name their primary caregiver until death.

Here’s an example of the kind of findings that are now coming out:

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Psychosis is surprisingly common in Alzheimer disease (AD) and can emerge as part of the neurodegenerative disease process in advance of dementia during the mild cognitive impairment stage or even earlier.

Subtypes of psychotic symptoms — that is, persecutory versus misidentification delusions or delusions versus hallucinations — have different trajectories and neurobiological correlates.

Both schizophrenia and AD risk genes might be involved in AD psychosis.

Tau tangle burden and kalirin-mediated synaptic dysfunction seem to be neurobiological components of psychosis in AD.

Of the currently available antipsychotic drugs, aripiprazole seems to provide the best balance between efficacy and safety in people with AD psychosis; pimavanserin has shown promise in Parkinson disease-related psychosis and data from AD trials are compelling.

A better understanding of the natural history and neurobiological underpinnings of psychosis in neurodegenerative disease will drive drug development and repurposing of existing drugs.
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« Reply #365 on: January 14, 2025, 05:58:32 PM »
Thanks for sharing.

I definitely didn’t use the term psychosis randomly… I had already googled and found a host of medical journal articles exploring the overlaps, comorbidities, and symptoms of dementia and mental illness. We also were sole financial support for a decade for my in-law with dementia until their demise. We became very familiar with sundowning, wandering, loss of function, loss of ability to name us, incontinence, etc. That said, we never got a diagnosis and in our opinion this was dementia or cognitive impairment, not Alzheimer’s, as the relative never lost verbal function, could carry conversation and still name their primary caregiver until death.

Here’s an example of the kind of findings that are now coming out:

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Psychosis is surprisingly common in Alzheimer disease (AD) and can emerge as part of the neurodegenerative disease process in advance of dementia during the mild cognitive impairment stage or even earlier.

Subtypes of psychotic symptoms — that is, persecutory versus misidentification delusions or delusions versus hallucinations — have different trajectories and neurobiological correlates.

Both schizophrenia and AD risk genes might be involved in AD psychosis.

Tau tangle burden and kalirin-mediated synaptic dysfunction seem to be neurobiological components of psychosis in AD.

Of the currently available antipsychotic drugs, aripiprazole seems to provide the best balance between efficacy and safety in people with AD psychosis; pimavanserin has shown promise in Parkinson disease-related psychosis and data from AD trials are compelling.

A better understanding of the natural history and neurobiological underpinnings of psychosis in neurodegenerative disease will drive drug development and repurposing of existing drugs.

Oh, informative. Thank you!

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« Reply #366 on: January 15, 2025, 10:58:50 AM »
I think if I was younger, I would want to do research on AD and dementia. It is very interesting science.

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« Reply #367 on: January 15, 2025, 02:29:09 PM »
@Just Joe, I know of a man (I spoke with him once) who devoted his entire career, beginning with his post doc work, to Alzheimer's research. He admitted to me he was very sure when he started out that he would be able to find a 'cure'.

He died in his 70's, much respected in his field, but a disappointed man.

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« Reply #368 on: January 16, 2025, 08:00:20 AM »
@Just Joe, I know of a man (I spoke with him once) who devoted his entire career, beginning with his post doc work, to Alzheimer's research. He admitted to me he was very sure when he started out that he would be able to find a 'cure'.

He died in his 70's, much respected in his field, but a disappointed man.

It probably doesn't help that there's a possibility that decades of research were based on fabricated research.

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/for-researchers/explaining-amyloid-research-study-controversy

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« Reply #369 on: January 17, 2025, 08:45:05 AM »
@Sibley Oof! Surprised that the research fiction had such staying power.

Wouldn't it be maddening to realize that your team was chasing their tail for years!

@kina You make a good point. I doubt I have ever had the intellectual capacity to learn the necessary science anyhow.

Medicine is interesting - humans are capable of so much today but there is SO much left to understand. I've witnessed friends and family recover thanks to modern medical science from things that 50-75 years ago would have had lifetime consequences. At the same time, we can't cure some problems long recognized but still not fully understood like AZ and dementia.

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« Reply #370 on: January 17, 2025, 11:03:17 AM »
@Just Joe, I know of a man (I spoke with him once) who devoted his entire career, beginning with his post doc work, to Alzheimer's research. He admitted to me he was very sure when he started out that he would be able to find a 'cure'.

He died in his 70's, much respected in his field, but a disappointed man.

It probably doesn't help that there's a possibility that decades of research were based on fabricated research.

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/for-researchers/explaining-amyloid-research-study-controversy

Interesting! Based on that article, if I understood it correctly, the general theory still remains despite that one case of fabrication.

What I find interesting in general is that, as with longevity research, brain research shows we still understand the brain so little!

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« Reply #371 on: January 17, 2025, 11:46:57 AM »
@Just Joe, I know of a man (I spoke with him once) who devoted his entire career, beginning with his post doc work, to Alzheimer's research. He admitted to me he was very sure when he started out that he would be able to find a 'cure'.

He died in his 70's, much respected in his field, but a disappointed man.

It probably doesn't help that there's a possibility that decades of research were based on fabricated research.

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/for-researchers/explaining-amyloid-research-study-controversy

Interesting! Based on that article, if I understood it correctly, the general theory still remains despite that one case of fabrication.

What I find interesting in general is that, as with longevity research, brain research shows we still understand the brain so little!

Yep, as far as I can tell it boils down to "we really don't know". But if researchers have been going down the wrong path, that is not helpful.

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« Reply #372 on: January 17, 2025, 05:16:52 PM »
@Just Joe, I know of a man (I spoke with him once) who devoted his entire career, beginning with his post doc work, to Alzheimer's research. He admitted to me he was very sure when he started out that he would be able to find a 'cure'.

He died in his 70's, much respected in his field, but a disappointed man.

It probably doesn't help that there's a possibility that decades of research were based on fabricated research.

https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/for-researchers/explaining-amyloid-research-study-controversy

Interesting! Based on that article, if I understood it correctly, the general theory still remains despite that one case of fabrication.

What I find interesting in general is that, as with longevity research, brain research shows we still understand the brain so little!

Yep, as far as I can tell it boils down to "we really don't know". But if researchers have been going down the wrong path, that is not helpful.

Derek Lowe is a pharmaceutical chemist with a blog that I read occasionally. Here's a post he wrote about the possibly faked paper:

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/faked-beta-amyloid-data-what-does-it-mean

He agrees that there's a bigger problem in the field than this single paper. It does seem that amyloid protein accumulating in brain cells has something to do with Alzheimer's, but we don't really understand what the connection is.

Worse, he says every experimental drug based on this theory has failed. Even some drugs that successfully cleared amyloid from the brain didn't do anything to reduce people's symptoms or slow the progress of the disease.

It seems like, despite decades of research, we're no closer to understanding Alzheimer's and other kinds of dementia than we were at the beginning. That's discouraging.
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« Reply #373 on: January 17, 2025, 10:59:35 PM »
Seems like we are farther than we started in the sense that we've eliminated amyloid plaque as the cause, and should turn to other theories.

I mean, I'm not a scientist, and the study that cleared amyloid without reducing symptoms should be duplicated, but assuming that the result stands, doesn't that suggest amyloid isn't the cause?

I have read that there are other theories. I thought some of them were being tested.

Also, I've read that while the mechanisms aren't fully understood, it's been shown that shingles vaccine is somewhat protective against dementia. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151114087

I agree that we want more progress, obviously.

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« Reply #374 on: January 20, 2025, 03:57:12 AM »
I know this link isn't at all scientific but it mentions a study that found that personality changes can occur before cognitive issues.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/health/early-signs-dementia-including-one-30803054


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« Reply #375 on: January 20, 2025, 02:16:58 PM »
My mom is now in a hospice facility.

I found out Friday mid afternoon she has vascular dementia. One of my brothers said: "I knew that" while the other one said: "news to me". So much for great communication dude.

Anyhow.... She was having multiple seizures. I witnessed her discomfort for much of Thursday afternoon and Friday.

This, apparently can happen when the damage from vascular dementia gets to the point where there is ponding /bulges of fluid where the brain tissue has shrunken. It is often diagnosed as normal pressure hydrocephalus. As was the case for my mom, until the geriatic specialist said nope! She doesn't have NPH. I guess the fluid got to a point of too much, she was experiencing near constant seizure activity and had pain through her head and central nervous system.

We chose to start palliative sedation late Friday afternoon. She is comfortable. She opens her eyes every now and then, makes eye contact and smiles (sort-of) and then nods back off.

Fortunately she was transferred to a dedicated hospice facility and the experience for her and us is the best for this situation. I don't know how long her perfectly healthy heart can keep going. But she is in a good place for these next days.

For non-Canadians, her 10 days of hospital and however many of hospice is covered by our public health program (OHIP). The transfer from hospital to hospice is also covered by OHIP. She will have to pay the $80 charge for the ambulance ride to hospital from her retirement home. And that's it. I had a little grumble about the price of parking at the hospital - $13.75 each time, but that is peanuts. Especially considering how many diagnostics she has had and the quality of care.


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« Reply #376 on: January 20, 2025, 02:24:05 PM »
((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))

I was so relieved when my mom agreed to start on morphine.  She resisted for a couple of days, but in the end it was her decision and it made the last stretch easier for her, for us, and for the caregivers.

Take good care of yourself the next few days.

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« Reply #377 on: January 20, 2025, 02:29:40 PM »
Hugs indeed.  I hope you and your brothers can work together through this last period of time and can spend some quality time with your Mom.  It can definitely be stressful so I echo lhamo's suggestion to take care of yourselves.

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« Reply #378 on: January 20, 2025, 02:49:21 PM »
My mom is now in a hospice facility.

I found out Friday mid afternoon she has vascular dementia. One of my brothers said: "I knew that" while the other one said: "news to me". So much for great communication dude.

Anyhow.... She was having multiple seizures. I witnessed her discomfort for much of Thursday afternoon and Friday.

This, apparently can happen when the damage from vascular dementia gets to the point where there is ponding /bulges of fluid where the brain tissue has shrunken. It is often diagnosed as normal pressure hydrocephalus. As was the case for my mom, until the geriatic specialist said nope! She doesn't have NPH. I guess the fluid got to a point of too much, she was experiencing near constant seizure activity and had pain through her head and central nervous system.

We chose to start palliative sedation late Friday afternoon. She is comfortable. She opens her eyes every now and then, makes eye contact and smiles (sort-of) and then nods back off.

Fortunately she was transferred to a dedicated hospice facility and the experience for her and us is the best for this situation. I don't know how long her perfectly healthy heart can keep going. But she is in a good place for these next days.

For non-Canadians, her 10 days of hospital and however many of hospice is covered by our public health program (OHIP). The transfer from hospital to hospice is also covered by OHIP. She will have to pay the $80 charge for the ambulance ride to hospital from her retirement home. And that's it. I had a little grumble about the price of parking at the hospital - $13.75 each time, but that is peanuts. Especially considering how many diagnostics she has had and the quality of care.



Best wishes, @Frugal Lizard

Yes, the OHIP description is eye opening. Glad it's available to you.

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« Reply #379 on: January 20, 2025, 03:26:08 PM »
My mom is now in a hospice facility.

I found out Friday mid afternoon she has vascular dementia. One of my brothers said: "I knew that" while the other one said: "news to me". So much for great communication dude.

Anyhow.... She was having multiple seizures. I witnessed her discomfort for much of Thursday afternoon and Friday.

This, apparently can happen when the damage from vascular dementia gets to the point where there is ponding /bulges of fluid where the brain tissue has shrunken. It is often diagnosed as normal pressure hydrocephalus. As was the case for my mom, until the geriatic specialist said nope! She doesn't have NPH. I guess the fluid got to a point of too much, she was experiencing near constant seizure activity and had pain through her head and central nervous system.

We chose to start palliative sedation late Friday afternoon. She is comfortable. She opens her eyes every now and then, makes eye contact and smiles (sort-of) and then nods back off.

Fortunately she was transferred to a dedicated hospice facility and the experience for her and us is the best for this situation. I don't know how long her perfectly healthy heart can keep going. But she is in a good place for these next days.

For non-Canadians, her 10 days of hospital and however many of hospice is covered by our public health program (OHIP). The transfer from hospital to hospice is also covered by OHIP. She will have to pay the $80 charge for the ambulance ride to hospital from her retirement home. And that's it. I had a little grumble about the price of parking at the hospital - $13.75 each time, but that is peanuts. Especially considering how many diagnostics she has had and the quality of care.



Best wishes, @Frugal Lizard

Yes, the OHIP description is eye opening. Glad it's available to you.
And every Ontarian.

Thanks all. I am exhausted but so very much lighter.

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« Reply #380 on: January 20, 2025, 04:37:36 PM »
My mom is now in a hospice facility.

I found out Friday mid afternoon she has vascular dementia. One of my brothers said: "I knew that" while the other one said: "news to me". So much for great communication dude.

Anyhow.... She was having multiple seizures. I witnessed her discomfort for much of Thursday afternoon and Friday.

This, apparently can happen when the damage from vascular dementia gets to the point where there is ponding /bulges of fluid where the brain tissue has shrunken. It is often diagnosed as normal pressure hydrocephalus. As was the case for my mom, until the geriatic specialist said nope! She doesn't have NPH. I guess the fluid got to a point of too much, she was experiencing near constant seizure activity and had pain through her head and central nervous system.

We chose to start palliative sedation late Friday afternoon. She is comfortable. She opens her eyes every now and then, makes eye contact and smiles (sort-of) and then nods back off.

Fortunately she was transferred to a dedicated hospice facility and the experience for her and us is the best for this situation. I don't know how long her perfectly healthy heart can keep going. But she is in a good place for these next days.

For non-Canadians, her 10 days of hospital and however many of hospice is covered by our public health program (OHIP). The transfer from hospital to hospice is also covered by OHIP. She will have to pay the $80 charge for the ambulance ride to hospital from her retirement home. And that's it. I had a little grumble about the price of parking at the hospital - $13.75 each time, but that is peanuts. Especially considering how many diagnostics she has had and the quality of care.

:hugs:

My father also went on hospice last week (at home). For about a week we thought we were down to a matter of days to weeks, but he's rebounded (as he tends to do very typically) and is now eating and alert more, so probably the end is further out than that. So far he isn't in much pain, for which I am super thankful. His main non-hospice caregiver is having a hard time, though. She's a nurse and has seen plenty of death, but only got into end-of-life caregiving as a retirement career. She is much more emotionally attached to my father than to her typical patients. I'm so grateful to her and her team; we've had incredibly good care at home, given how small the town is.

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« Reply #381 on: January 20, 2025, 05:20:07 PM »
My mom is now in a hospice facility.

I found out Friday mid afternoon she has vascular dementia. One of my brothers said: "I knew that" while the other one said: "news to me". So much for great communication dude.

Anyhow.... She was having multiple seizures. I witnessed her discomfort for much of Thursday afternoon and Friday.

This, apparently can happen when the damage from vascular dementia gets to the point where there is ponding /bulges of fluid where the brain tissue has shrunken. It is often diagnosed as normal pressure hydrocephalus. As was the case for my mom, until the geriatic specialist said nope! She doesn't have NPH. I guess the fluid got to a point of too much, she was experiencing near constant seizure activity and had pain through her head and central nervous system.

We chose to start palliative sedation late Friday afternoon. She is comfortable. She opens her eyes every now and then, makes eye contact and smiles (sort-of) and then nods back off.

Fortunately she was transferred to a dedicated hospice facility and the experience for her and us is the best for this situation. I don't know how long her perfectly healthy heart can keep going. But she is in a good place for these next days.

Sending kind thoughts to you, Frugal Lizard, and hopes your mother's passing is as easy as possible on her (and all of your family).

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« Reply #382 on: January 20, 2025, 07:08:34 PM »
Aw sorry to hear that, @Frugal Lizard, but glad that OHIP is working out.
@wenchsenior I'm sending positive energy your way. Glad your father can be at home and is hopefully pain free.

Meanwhile, the new plan of being Mum's navigator to tennis & tennis club coffee is going well. She's not playing too much tennis but the social aspects are really good for her. K talked to me about Mum's driving and seemed relieved that S1 and I are keeping an eye on her roadworthiness and will take over driving when needed. [Which I am guessing will be pretty soon. But while she can drive, I want her to drive instead of letting that faculty atrophy.] It turns out that previously another member of the senior's club had been in a similar situation, got lost while driving, and was missing for three days. She was found in a field by a farmer and would not have made it if she hadn't been found when she was. Since then, they are watchful over their members who are starting to lose it.

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« Reply #383 on: January 20, 2025, 09:46:33 PM »
I'm sorry Frugal Lizard - virtual hugs.

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« Reply #384 on: January 21, 2025, 04:27:18 AM »
Aw sorry to hear that, @Frugal Lizard, but glad that OHIP is working out.
@wenchsenior I'm sending positive energy your way. Glad your father can be at home and is hopefully pain free.

Meanwhile, the new plan of being Mum's navigator to tennis & tennis club coffee is going well. She's not playing too much tennis but the social aspects are really good for her. K talked to me about Mum's driving and seemed relieved that S1 and I are keeping an eye on her roadworthiness and will take over driving when needed. [Which I am guessing will be pretty soon. But while she can drive, I want her to drive instead of letting that faculty atrophy.] It turns out that previously another member of the senior's club had been in a similar situation, got lost while driving, and was missing for three days. She was found in a field by a farmer and would not have made it if she hadn't been found when she was. Since then, they are watchful over their members who are starting to lose it.

With my mom, we realized we would never know the exact moment she should stop driving, so we would end up deciding a little too soon or a little too late. While a little too soon had its downsides, a little too late could mean death/injury to herself or others, so we went with a little too soon.

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« Reply #385 on: January 21, 2025, 09:28:59 AM »
@mspym and @rosarugosa - I erred on the side of a little too soon for my Mom.

She was a life long advocate against drunk driving and often complained about the menace on the road our elderly neighbours were after having to pull to the shoulder yet again because they drive down the middle of the road.

She had zero self awareness that she was now the menace.

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« Reply #386 on: January 21, 2025, 02:23:18 PM »
My mom was very upset when her doctor pulled the plug on her driving. When the official paperwork came in the mail, she was upset again. Later that afternoon she said, " I'm really upset about something  - but I can't remember what it is!"

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« Reply #387 on: January 21, 2025, 03:40:50 PM »
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« Reply #388 on: January 21, 2025, 05:04:08 PM »
Aw sorry to hear that, @Frugal Lizard, but glad that OHIP is working out.
@wenchsenior I'm sending positive energy your way. Glad your father can be at home and is hopefully pain free.


With my mom, we realized we would never know the exact moment she should stop driving, so we would end up deciding a little too soon or a little too late. While a little too soon had its downsides, a little too late could mean death/injury to herself or others, so we went with a little too soon.

I went with my mother to the eye doctor for a check on her glaucoma.  He told her that she had lost most of her peripheral vision.  I thought the next thing out of his mouth would be that she had to stop driving.  Nope, nothing.  I got the fun job of saying no more driving.  I told her that all it would take is one kid on a bike coming into the road from the side for disaster to strike.  Neither of us was happy.

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« Reply #389 on: January 21, 2025, 06:12:49 PM »
I had a talk with my sister about mum’s driving and she’s being navigator tomorrow and will give a second opinion so we are having an active discussion about it. I also just cleared out some mystery jars of food poisoning from her fridge along with some drumsticks she bought 8 days ago. (She puts things in the fridge and then it becomes background noise and this invisible to her. She will not notice that they are gone because she has forgotten they were ever there)

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« Reply #390 on: January 21, 2025, 08:19:31 PM »
The whole driving topic took eight or ten weeks with my Mom. Huge point of pride and source of freedom for her. Mom and Dad had alot of conflict over the topic.

Dad was reluctant to pull her keys so finally I took a substitute vehicle to their house and took their vehicle home with me. We told her their vehicle (HER vehicle) was at the shop for repairs and it was taking longer than expected. She wouldn't drive my car. She tried to drive Dad's sportscar a couple of times but could not figure out how to start it. Finally I got pushy with Dad about hiding the keys, and tried to get him to substitute a key+remote for her car. I bought a remote plus blank key but we were still in one of the early chapters when Dad was concerned that our fiblets was equal to telling her real lies rather than trying to manage her dementia with less stress.

At many steps of her dementia, Dad was slow to act. This is where my sibling was really helpful. They are a type who was great at talking about all the possible consequences.

One of the early signs of our Mom's dementia was when Dad was unavailable and she got lost for hours in her own city. Still not sure how she made it home. Nobody knew where she went.

@Fru-Gal , @mspym and anyone else working through this terrible disase - I wish you comfort and peace.
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« Reply #391 on: January 22, 2025, 11:12:09 AM »
Someone I know gave two of their cars away to relatives (e.g., grandchild) and then sold hers.  She then bought a Tesla so he wouldn't have access.  I'm guessing a lot of complaining though.

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« Reply #392 on: January 22, 2025, 03:18:34 PM »
The whole driving topic took eight or ten weeks with my Mom. Huge point of pride and source of freedom for her. Mom and Dad had alot of conflict over the topic.

Dad was reluctant to pull her keys so finally I took a substitute vehicle to their house and took their vehicle home with me. We told her their vehicle (HER vehicle) was at the shop for repairs and it was taking longer than expected. She wouldn't drive my car. She tried to drive Dad's sportscar a couple of times but could not figure out how to start it. Finally I got pushy with Dad about hiding the keys, and tried to get him to substitute a key+remote for her car. I bought a remote plus blank key but we were still in one of the early chapters when Dad was concerned that our fiblets was equal to telling her real lies rather than trying to manage her dementia with less stress.

At many steps of her dementia, Dad was slow to act. This is where my sibling was really helpful. They are a type who was great at talking about all the possible consequences.

One of the early signs of our Mom's dementia was when Dad was unavailable and she got lost for hours in her own city. Still not sure how she made it home. Nobody knew where she went.

@Fru-Gal , @mspym and anyone else working through this terrible disase - I wish you comfort and peace.

Much sympathy, especially re driving.

My grandmother retired in good shape as a school principal but five years later, when the school threw a five-year-retirement-anniversary party for her, she failed to attend because she got lost on the no-longer-familiar drive.

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« Reply #393 on: January 22, 2025, 07:03:35 PM »
I've been talked into joining a new group. It's not-very-creatively named something like "100+ Women." We meet once a quarter. People put charity suggestions in a fishbowl. Three are drawn from the bowl and are pitched to the group on the spot. The group asks questions, then votes.
The group that garners the most votes becomes the charity the group supports for the quarter. Everyone in the group sends $100 directly to the charity. The rules are simple: 1. Must be a registered 501(c)3. 2. Must not be political. 3. Must be reasonably local.

Last night's choice was the place that runs the Daytime Program for people with ALZ that my MIL went to. It saved my life. Even though I'm on the Board of another charity that was also chosen to be pitched, I'm glad the Daycare Program got the most votes, mostly because it raises awareness that the program exists. If it helped me so much, it'll help someone else, too. Hopefully multiple people.

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« Reply #394 on: January 23, 2025, 07:25:13 AM »
I've been talked into joining a new group. It's not-very-creatively named something like "100+ Women." We meet once a quarter. People put charity suggestions in a fishbowl. Three are drawn from the bowl and are pitched to the group on the spot. The group asks questions, then votes.
The group that garners the most votes becomes the charity the group supports for the quarter. Everyone in the group sends $100 directly to the charity. The rules are simple: 1. Must be a registered 501(c)3. 2. Must not be political. 3. Must be reasonably local.

Last night's choice was the place that runs the Daytime Program for people with ALZ that my MIL went to. It saved my life. Even though I'm on the Board of another charity that was also chosen to be pitched, I'm glad the Daycare Program got the most votes, mostly because it raises awareness that the program exists. If it helped me so much, it'll help someone else, too. Hopefully multiple people.

There's a group here that does the same type thing except it's yearly and it's $1000. They give out $1M grants. It's pretty cool.

The daycare my mom goes to is the greatest thing ever for both of us. I hope there is enough left in my mom's account when she passes that I can make a nice donation in her name to them.

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« Reply #395 on: January 23, 2025, 09:26:02 AM »
This whole thing cuts deep.

My dad started a rapid decline last spring.  Actually we don't know if it started earlier, it's likely mom hid symptoms.  They both turned 70 last spring.  What started as me noticing he'd lost weight and seeming more blandly chill (his modes of operation are grumpathon and talking-at-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not about things you have no knowledge or interest about) escalated within a month to sundowning and having the police find him hours later across town.

He has a diagnosis by some doctors as NPH others as functional dementia and others as "just depressed".  Been to the hospital a few times and discharged with no real plan.  He's lost 80lbs in a year, mostly last summer, is towards the late stages overall on a dementia scale but doesn't fit exactly (for instance his short term memory is pretty good). Most disturbing is how violent he is here and there and how awful that is.  My dad was verbally abusive to everyone in the family his whole life and physically to us kids, and I found out last fall he had been sometimes to her after I moved out for college.  He is a foot+ taller than my mom.  Generally tho I never saw him act out like that and certainly not in front of others.  Now he does.

Besides all of the typical dementia presentations, he is at the point he is assaulting my mom physically about daily now but she is like, oh, it's not his fault, or it's ok since he didn't hurt her (since he is so weak).  She caves in a lot to his demands since she is groomed to abuse after 40+ yrs of marriage and he hasn't gotten the help he needs overall, like if he doesn't want to go to doctor a lot of the time she won't make him.  He's also refused this shunt surgery that would have helped delay things last year and the doc won't operate without his permission so the whole situation is fkd.  Mom won't accept outside help like nurses who could come in, family members who can help give her a break.  Honestly he probably needs to be in a home already but that's like, out of the question for both of them.  Dad wants to die, he's been loosely suicidal since last summer since he could see the writing on the wall (this also resulted in 2 hospital stays) though he says he is too physically weak and a "coward" to go through with it.  His mom had a stroke around his age and lived in a nursing home another 2 decades saying she wanted to die so there is a precedent he absolutely doesn't want to repeat.  Also at various times he's expressed wanting to kill my mom since she is "annoying", I don't know how real that ideation is but it's not cool.  Police/services won't do anything other than take him to hospital if called and they eval, then he is there for a little, they send him home.  He keeps getting shuffled between neuro and psych and some of the doctors now refuse to work with him since he is a "problem patient".  Also they cancel half the time and reschedule for weeks out.

Mom has also told my siblings that me and my aunt (the only ones who have actual medical training) are exaggerating all the symptoms.  They won't let us come over, we've only seen him I think 4 times since their birthdays last spring.  Even to the point of them not answering the door if we showed up unannounced (well, we announced but they said no and we said we were coming anyway).  This whole situation is awful and I wouldn't wish 1% of it on anyone.  Literally everyone including dad just hopes it will be over sooner than later.  What a terrible way to live/fade out.
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Re: Dementia - want to read your stories and guidance
« Reply #396 on: January 23, 2025, 09:35:17 AM »
@dizzy  this sounds awful.

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Re: Dementia - want to read your stories and guidance
« Reply #397 on: January 23, 2025, 12:35:40 PM »
This whole thing cuts deep.

My dad started a rapid decline last spring.  Actually we don't know if it started earlier, it's likely mom hid symptoms.  They both turned 70 last spring.  What started as me noticing he'd lost weight and seeming more blandly chill (his modes of operation are grumpathon and talking-at-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not about things you have no knowledge or interest about) escalated within a month to sundowning and having the police find him hours later across town.

He has a diagnosis by some doctors as NPH others as functional dementia and others as "just depressed".  Been to the hospital a few times and discharged with no real plan.  He's lost 80lbs in a year, mostly last summer, is towards the late stages overall on a dementia scale but doesn't fit exactly (for instance his short term memory is pretty good). Most disturbing is how violent he is here and there and how awful that is.  My dad was verbally abusive to everyone in the family his whole life and physically to us kids, and I found out last fall he had been sometimes to her after I moved out for college.  He is a foot+ taller than my mom.  Generally tho I never saw him act out like that and certainly not in front of others.  Now he does.

Besides all of the typical dementia presentations, he is at the point he is assaulting my mom physically about daily now but she is like, oh, it's not his fault, or it's ok since he didn't hurt her (since he is so weak).  She caves in a lot to his demands since she is groomed to abuse after 40+ yrs of marriage and he hasn't gotten the help he needs overall, like if he doesn't want to go to doctor a lot of the time she won't make him.  He's also refused this shunt surgery that would have helped delay things last year and the doc won't operate without his permission so the whole situation is fkd.  Mom won't accept outside help like nurses who could come in, family members who can help give her a break.  Honestly he probably needs to be in a home already but that's like, out of the question for both of them.  Dad wants to die, he's been loosely suicidal since last summer since he could see the writing on the wall (this also resulted in 2 hospital stays) though he says he is too physically weak and a "coward" to go through with it.  His mom had a stroke around his age and lived in a nursing home another 2 decades saying she wanted to die so there is a precedent he absolutely doesn't want to repeat.  Also at various times he's expressed wanting to kill my mom since she is "annoying", I don't know how real that ideation is but it's not cool.  Police/services won't do anything other than take him to hospital if called and they eval, then he is there for a little, they send him home.  He keeps getting shuffled between neuro and psych and some of the doctors now refuse to work with him since he is a "problem patient".  Also they cancel half the time and reschedule for weeks out.

Mom has also told my siblings that me and my aunt (the only ones who have actual medical training) are exaggerating all the symptoms.  They won't let us come over, we've only seen him I think 4 times since their birthdays last spring.  Even to the point of them not answering the door if we showed up unannounced (well, we announced but they said no and we said we were coming anyway).  This whole situation is awful and I wouldn't wish 1% of it on anyone.  Literally everyone including dad just hopes it will be over sooner than later.  What a terrible way to live/fade out.

dizzy, this is terrible and I'm so sorry your family is going through it.  I want to comment on your dad being suicidal yet being too physically weak and a "coward" to go through it; my dad did not have dementia as far as we know (findings in the autopsy indicated he may have), but had a host of physical and mental health issues that made him suicidal.  He, too, said he was too much of a coward to go through with it.  Well, he was until he wasn't and then he did it.  He had also been physically and verbally abusive to my stepmom and we feared he'd kill her and himself.  There was a point prior to his death where we had to remove her from the home for her safety.  I tell you all this to say please don't discount what your dad says and please don't hesitate to encourage your mom to leave the home if you deem it necessary to keep her safe.  Wishing you and your family the best while you navigate these issues.

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Re: Dementia - want to read your stories and guidance
« Reply #398 on: January 23, 2025, 06:28:02 PM »
With my mom and driving: she was getting pretty ditzy from Alzheimer’s and one incident stood out when she claimed the police pulled her over and kept her captive for “hours and hours “and were mean to her.

My brother is plugged into law-enforcement in that town and he was skeptical about this story because he knows that policeman to be  soft-spoken and nice.  So, that was weird. And then she  kind of stopped driving because I think she got lost but we’re not really sure. So my brother did something to the car so that it no longer started and she would once in a while complain the car doesn’t start and we would vaguely say wow we’ve gotta get that looked at don’t we? She gradually  she forgot about the whole driving thing.

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Re: Dementia - want to read your stories and guidance
« Reply #399 on: January 24, 2025, 05:01:56 AM »
Mom had gotten lost a couple of times in our town on very familiar routes.  That was probably the biggest red flag leading to us pursuing a diagnosis. I did the co-piloting thing with Mom for a year or so until I read in literature from the Alzheimer's Association that it was not a good strategy.  That was when we discussed the too soon/too late options and went with too soon. 

I recall one time she was stopping on the highway to let someone pull out of a parking lot, and I'm saying, "No Mom, don't stop on the highway; that isn't safe!"  So someone with impaired judgment can make a poor decision with safety implications, and by the time the co-pilot gets the pilot to correct the course, it could be too late.